Comparison of JAHtruth's "The way home or face the Fire" to the bible (part 2)

[lightseeker]

How to compose a jahtruth post-
Make a statement
Find a line in the Bible that used a word you used
Tack on some more unrelated biblical references to fill it out
Make a conclusion
Make threats of the fire

 

[Awoken2]

How to compose a jahtruth post-
Make a statement
Find a line in the Bible that used a word you used
Tack on some more unrelated biblical references to fill it out
Make a conclusion
Make threats of the fire

Also might I add...

Use BIG FONT regularly

CAPITALISE certain words to capitalise your position.

If you're struggling in any debate you can regain the upper hand by using weaponised word-ology (Fully capitalised, big blue font and in bold)

Just keep copying and posting the book....just keep copying and posting the book....just keep copying and posting the book....just keep copying and posting the book.

Don't even know why people engage him anymore, same old shite every single day.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Most if not all Christians ignore the old testament. Every time i quote it the reply is... "that's old testament" ...as if the God of the old and new is somehow different?

Matter of convenience i believe.

“The new is in the old concealed; the old is in the new revealed.” Augustine famously described the relationship between the Old and New Testaments this way: “The new is in the old concealed; the old is in the new revealed.” In other words, the two work in tandem. They cannot be separated from one another.

I think God created a living metaphor for this:

 

[The Sojourner]

Do you believe that you are hair (that gets shed, or gets cut), skin (that gets shed) finger and toenails (that get trimmed)?
Are you blood (which is mostly consisting of water), various proteins, fibers, bone that contains calcium, various ligaments and muscles, fat cells, eyeballs, ear and nose, and other tissues.
If you believe you are your body, then you believe you are nose, ear, eyeball, toenail, fingernail, hair, fat cells, proteins, etc.

Random Thoughts

Haha!!!

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[Red Sky at Morning]

Do you believe that you are hair (that gets shed, or gets cut), skin (that gets shed) finger and toenails (that get trimmed)?
Are you blood (which is mostly consisting of water), various proteins, fibers, bone that contains calcium, various ligaments and muscles, fat cells, eyeballs, ear and nose, and other tissues.
If you believe you are your body, then you believe you are nose, ear, eyeball, toenail, fingernail, hair, fat cells, proteins, etc.

Random Thoughts

Haha!!!

vigilantcitizenforums.com

“You” are body, soul and regenerated spirit (or fallen, fleshly sin nature). At this time we exist as tripartite beings.

 

[JoChris]

Also might I add...

Use BIG FONT regularly

CAPITALISE certain words to capitalise your position.

If you're struggling in any debate you can regain the upper hand by using weaponised word-ology (Fully capitalised, big blue font and in bold)

Just keep copying and posting the book....just keep copying and posting the book....just keep copying and posting the book....just keep copying and posting the book.

Don't even know why people engage him anymore, same old shite every single day.

My main motive is the fact that (apart from one website) there has been no attempt to address the new online JAHtruth cult by Christian apologists.
Yes, I bet every left-brained individual out there would say "no one would fall for this?!!"
However conspiracy mindset people seem to lap AJH's material all up.

I am hoping to immunise people who are just internet-surfing for more JAHtruth information because they liked the newer JAHtruth friendly websites like https://gibraltar-messenger.net/.
If they came across this forum maybe some still-logical people would go "NO WAY!" and steer clear of the cult after that.
Prevention is better than cure.

 

[Infinityloop]

BTW if any Muslims are wanting to give some short commentary along the way on AJH's ebook "the way home or catch the fire" compared to **Islam**, please feel free to do so. His quran verses are mistranslations of your book too.

To me so far the ebook seems to be mostly a complete distortion of everything Christianity teaches with way more Muslim references than teachings.

There isn't much to say that I already have on my part.

There is less Islam in Jahtruth than there is Christianity. As we've already noted, Jahtruth piggybacks off different Christian cults before it combined with Gnostic and NewAge beliefs directing it's overall worldview. They quote the Bible more than the Qur'an and their beliefs are more of a distortion of Christian ideas rather than Islamic ones (because again, there is barely any Islam or Qur'an in their beliefs other than giving lip service to AJH's mutilated version of Yusuf Ali's Qur'an translation).

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

PROFANE WICKED PRINCE CHARLES – your day is come. - Gibraltar Messenger

Ezekiel 21:25-26 And thou, profane wicked prince of Israel, whose day is come, when inequity [shall have] an end – Remove the diadem and take off the crown.

gibraltar-messenger.net

KoK version…

Ezekiel 21:25

And thou, profane wicked prince of Israel, whose day is come, when inequity [shall have] an end,

Ezekiel 21:26 Thus saith the Lord “I AM”; Remove the diadem (sovereignty), and take off the crown: this [shall] not [be] the same: exalt [him that is] low (Line of Zarah), and abase [him that is] high (Line of Pharez).

Ezekiel 21:27 I will overturn, overturn, overturn, it: and it shall be no [more], [overturned] UNTIL he come whose Right it is; and I will give it [him – Shiloh (Gen. 49:10)].

KJV


25 And thou, profane wicked prince of Israel, whose day is come, when iniquity shall have an end,

26 Thus saith the Lord God; Remove the diadem, and take off the crown: this shall not be the same: exalt him that is low, and abase him that is high.

27 I will overturn, overturn, overturn, it: and it shall be no more, until he come whose right it is; and I will give it him.

^ Spot the [rather obvious] differences?

Spoiler: Commentary on the above passage (Matthew Henry)

. The prince likewise brings his ruin upon himself. Zedekiah is the prince of Israel, to whom the prophet here, in God's name, addresses himself; and, if he had not spoken in God's name, he would not have spoken so boldly, so bluntly; for is it fit to say to a king, Thou art wicked?

• (1.) He gives him his character, v. 25. Thou profane and wicked prince of Israel! He was not so bad as some of his predecessors, and yet bad enough to merit his character. He was himself profane, lost to every thing that is virtuous and sacred. And he was wicked, as he promoted sin among his people; he sinned, and made Israel to sin. Note, Profaneness and wickedness are bad in any, but worst of all in a prince, a prince of Israel, who as an Israelite should know better himself, and as a prince should set a better example and have a better influence on those about him.
• (2.) He reads him his doom. His iniquity has an end; the measure of it is full, and therefore his day has come, the day of his punishment, the day of divine vengeance. Note, Though those who are wicked and profane may flourish awhile, yet their day will cometo fall. The sentence here passed is,
  • [1.] That Zedekiah shall be deposed. He has forfeited his crown, and he shall no longer wear it; he has by his profaneness profaned his crown, and it shall be cast to the ground (v. 26): Remove the diadem.Crowns and diadems are losable things; it is only in the other world that there is a crown of glory that fades not away, a kingdom that cannot be moved. The Chaldee paraphrase expounds it thus: Take away the diadem from Seraiah the chief priest, and I will take away the crown from Zedekiah the king; neither this nor that shall abide in his place, but shall be removed. This shall not be the same,not the same that he has been; this not this (so the word is); profane and wicked perhaps he is as he has been. Note, Men lose their dignity by their iniquity. Their profaneness and wickedness remove their diadem, and take off their crown, and make them the reverse of what they were.
  • [2.] That great confusion and disorder in the state shall follow hereupon. Every thing shall be turned upside down. The conqueror shall take a pride in exalting him that is low and abasing him that is high, preferring some and degrading others, at his pleasure, without any regard either to right or merit.
  • [3.] Attempts to re-establish the government shall be blasted and come to nothing, Gedaliah's particularly, and Ishmael's who was of the seed-royal (to which the Chaldee paraphrase refers this); neither of them shall be able to make any thing of it. I will overturn, overturn, overturn, first one project and then another; for who can build up what God will throw down?
  • [4.] This monarchy shall never be restored till it is fixed for perpetuity in the hands of the Messiah. There shall be no morekings of the house of David after Zedekiah, till Christ comes, whose right the kingdom is, who is that seed of David in whom the promise was to have its full accomplishment, and I will give it to him. He shall have the throne of his father David, Lu. 1:32. Immediately before the coming of Christ there was a long eclipse of the royal dignity, as there was also a failing of the spirit of prophecy, that his shining forth in the fulness of time both as king and prophet might appear the more illustrious. Note, Christ has an incontestable title to the dominion and sovereignty both in the church and in the world; the kingdom is his right. And, having the right, he shall in due time have the possession: I will give it to him; and there shall be a general overturning of all rather than he shall come short of his right, and a certain overturning of all the opposition that stands in his way to make room for him, Dan. 2:45; 1 Co. 15:25. This is mentioned here for the comfort of those who feared that the promise made in David would fail for evermore. "No," says God, "that promise is sure, for the Messiah's kingdom shall last for ever."

Commentary on Ezekiel 21 by Matthew Henry

Matthew Henry :: Commentary on Ezekiel 21

www.blueletterbible.org

 

[The Sojourner]

“You” are body, soul and regenerated spirit (or fallen, fleshly sin nature). At this time we exist as tripartite beings.

Are you all the hair that has grown and been cut or shed? There are many many miles of it.
And the skin that has been shed, as house dust, and become food for mites that have eaten of it.
Cut fingernails, cut toenails, spread out over the area you have been, is that "you"...?
How can you identify yourself with it?

I'm a soul... not a temporary human body, that has to grow old and one day die.

 

[Infinityloop]

“You” are body, soul and regenerated spirit (or fallen, fleshly sin nature). At this time we exist as tripartite beings.

The human being actually comprises of four components:

1. Spirit (Ruh)
2. Heart (Qalb)
3. Intellect (Aql)
4. Soul/self (Nafs)

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Are you all the hair that has grown and been cut or shed? There are many many miles of it.
And the skin that has been shed, as house dust, and become food for mites that have eaten of it.
Cut fingernails, cut toenails, spread out over the area you have been, is that "you"...?
How can you identify yourself with it?

I'm a soul... not a temporary human body, that has to grow old and one day die.

Do you believe God will clothe you in a new resurrected body, or, as the gnostics believe is the body a bad thing?

 

[Infinityloop]

“The new is in the old concealed; the old is in the new revealed.” Augustine famously described the relationship between the Old and New Testaments this way: “The new is in the old concealed; the old is in the new revealed.” In other words, the two work in tandem. They cannot be separated from one another.

That is the Christian terminology given to the Christian canon of course.
Jews do not call it the "Old Testament" they call it the Tanakh (and the book order is not the same).

The structure of the Tanakh is:
1. Torah (Pentateuch)
2. Nevi'im (Prophets)
3. Ketuvim (Writings/literature)
(the Talmud plays a fourth role)

Jews visualize this as concentric circles.
The Torah at the center, as the foundation of all matters, the Nevi'im as further prophetic commentary on it, the Ketuvim as further commentary on it and the Talmud as even further commentary upon it.

So for Jews, the Christian notion of "old concealed, new revealed" is very nonsensical because everything is an elaboration on Torah not an extension beyond it - and that their literature is perceived as already doing what this Augustinian sentiment states.

 

[Infinityloop]

Given that AJH adds sometimes up to 10 chapters of his own creation onto different books of the Bible, I'm surprised that he never placed the Book of Enoch within the Book of Genesis (making it around 155 chapters), instead of placing it after Deuteronomy which is just funny.

 

[Lyfe]

Compare JAHtruth's Jesus to the Bible's Jesus.

They are completely different people.

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Good find.

 

[Daze]

“The new is in the old concealed; the old is in the new revealed.” Augustine famously described the relationship between the Old and New Testaments this way: “The new is in the old concealed; the old is in the new revealed.” In other words, the two work in tandem. They cannot be separated from one another.

I think God created a living metaphor for this:

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Sugar coat it however you want Red, we all know Christians freely throw away the old testament whenever its convenient. You've done it plenty yourself, have you not?

Take this for example.

"If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods. You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death ” (Deuteronomy 13:6-9)


Lets pretend you had a wife who converted to Hinduism. Would you kill her Red? Or just say.. "that's old testament", pretending God actually sent you different instructions then what he sent to the people of Moses?

 

[Lyfe]

Sugar coat it however you want Red, we all know Christians freely throw away the old testament whenever its convenient. You've done it plenty yourself, have you not?

Take this for example.

"If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods. You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death ” (Deuteronomy 13:6-9)


Lets pretend you had a wife who converted to Hinduism. Would you kill her Red? Or just say.. "that's old testament", pretending God actually sent you different instructions then what he sent to the people of Moses?

That's the old covenant given to Moses. Jesus came to establish a new covenant enacted on better promises. It's all about rightly diving God's word.
Matthew 5:38-45
English Standard Version

38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ 39 But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40 And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic,[a] let him have your cloak as well. 41 And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. 42 Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you.

43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.

 

[JoChris]

There isn't much to say that I already have on my part.

There is less Islam in Jahtruth than there is Christianity. As we've already noted, Jahtruth piggybacks off different Christian cults before it combined with Gnostic and NewAge beliefs directing it's overall worldview. They quote the Bible more than the Qur'an and their beliefs are more of a distortion of Christian ideas rather than Islamic ones (because again, there is barely any Islam or Qur'an in their beliefs other than giving lip service to AJH's mutilated version of Yusuf Ali's Qur'an translation).

I agree with you, but I thought some Muslims would pick up absolute howlers that westerners would almost always miss.
IF Anthony John Hill was Jesus "reborn" (I.e. reincarnated), he would get every word from *both* religious texts translated correctly 100% of the time.

 

[Daze]

That's the old covenant given to Moses. Jesus came to establish a new covenant enacted on better promises. It's all about rightly diving God's word.
Matthew 5:38-45
English Standard Version

38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ 39 But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40 And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic,[a] let him have your cloak as well. 41 And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. 42 Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you.

43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.

I really don't want to argue this. I merely pointed out what I've seen and what we all know a few pages back. That Christians throw away half of their book whenever it suits them. So Red quoted it and i replied, now your replying in a thread i honestly really care little about.

I just thought it was interesting because a Muslim who rejects a single verse in the Quran instantly becomes non-Muslim.

I really don't care why you guys throw out half of your book whenever is suits you. I just merely highlighted all of you do.

Peace.

 

[lightseeker]

I really don't want to argue this. I merely pointed out what I've seen and what we all know a few pages back. That Christians throw away half of their book whenever it suits them. So Red quoted it and i replied, now your replying in a thread i honestly really care little about.

I just thought it was interesting because a Muslim who rejects a single verse in the Quran instantly becomes non-Muslim.

I really don't care why you guys throw out half of your book whenever is suits you. I just merely highlighted all of you do.

Peace.

If you.made a statement and have no response to the counter statement, you are wrong. No copping out with "we all know" or "I don't even care". You cared enough to make a statement and lyfe proved you wrong. It's not throwing out half the book at all. You don't just get to restate that as if the point stands

 

[Daze]

If you.made a statement and have no response to the counter statement, you are wrong. No copping out with "we all know" or "I don't even care". You cared enough to make a statement and lyfe proved you wrong. It's not throwing out half the book at all. You don't just get to restate that as if the point stands

I made a general statement directed at no one. Red rebutted it so i gave him a "counter statement". Then lyfe pops up and now you?
Do you expect me to answer everyone here?

Look, I'm happy to repeat it. I don't care why Christians throw away the old testament. You yourself have even said "ignore the old testament". Have you not?

I merely highlighted the fact that you all do. The why is irrelevant.

Ignoring what the book says is the same as throwing it out, pretending it doesn't matter.

I'll restate this basic concept as much as i need to. Christians freely ignore verses whenever it doesn't suit them.
Show me any verse in the Quran, find the most hateful one, and i will agree with it 100% Guaranteed.

Peace.