Comparison of JAHtruth's "The way home or face the Fire" to the bible

Red Sky at Morning

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Are you trying to argue that Satan hasn't been here, deceiving the whole world, since Adam and Eve?
Not at all, but I am trying to get you to be honest with yourself and to allow you to admit that you / AJH add your interpretations to the text to lead readers to the conclusions you intend to promote?

Do you do this or does the JAHtruth group have access to a version of the Greek text the wider Christian world is not aware of?
 

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Agreed.

Why do you ask?
Because even if we didn't have evidence that Matthew 28:19 did not include the "Father, Son and Holy Spirit" wording in the original text, we can be absolutely certain that phrase was added to Matthew 28:19 because it would mean that the disciples and apostles would have been disobedient to that alleged command 100% of the time if it had been part of the original text, which it most certainly wasn't.

Which means in both instances the phrase "Father, Son and Holy Spirit" (Matt. 28:19 and 1 John 5:7-8) was deceitfully added by the Roman Catholic church.



Note: the latter addition in 1 John 5 was so infamous it was given its own name: "the Johannine Comma".


The only logical, truthful conclusion: the phrase "Father, Son and Holy Spirit" isn't found anywhere in the original texts of the New Covenant.

Thank-you for bringing this subject up, so that it could be discussed.

Also, the name/title "Jesus" literally means "YHWH Saves" (or "YHWH is Salvation").
 

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Agreed.


Because even if we didn't have evidence that Matthew 28:19 did not include the "Father, Son and Holy Spirit" wording in the original text, we can be absolutely certain that phrase was added to Matthew 28:19 because it would mean that the disciples and apostles would have been disobedient to that alleged command 100% of the time if it had been part of the original text, which it most certainly wasn't.

Which means in both instances the phrase "Father, Son and Holy Spirit" (Matt. 28:19 and 1 John 5:7-8) was deceitfully added by the Roman Catholic church.



Note: the latter addition in 1 John 5 was so infamous it was given its own name: "the Johannine Comma".


The only logical, truthful conclusion: the phrase "Father, Son and Holy Spirit" isn't found anywhere in the original texts of the New Covenant.

Thank-you for bringing this subject up, so that it could be discussed.

Also, the name/title "Jesus" literally means "YHWH Saves" (or "YHWH is Salvation").
What does the name and title John Anthony Hill mean?
 

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Not at all, but I am trying to get you to be honest with yourself and to allow you to admit that you / AJH add your interpretations to the text to lead readers to the conclusions you intend to promote?
Then you agree that the reference note, which Christ decided to include for everyone's benefit, is true. So why attack it?

Wouldn't your time be better spent studying why the Roman Catholics added "Father, Son and Holy Spirit" to Matt. 28:19 and 1 John 5:7-8? Or on why you are promoting a very obvious mistranslation of Philippians 2:6 which has added the word "it", rendering the verse not only contrary to its own 3-verse context, but also contrary to multiple statements made by Jesus, where Jesus made it crystal clear that he was in no way equal to God (e.g. John 10:29; John 14:28), just as Paul likewise said elsewhere multiple times (e.g. 1 Cor. 11:3; 1 Cor. 15:22-28)?

Do you do this or does the JAHtruth group have access to a version of the Greek text the wider Christian world is not aware of?
John 3:31-36
3:31 He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the Earth is earthly, and speaketh of the Earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.
3:32 And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony.
3:33 He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is True.
3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the Truth of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure [unto him].
3:35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath GIVEN all things into his hand.
3:36 He that believeth the Son hath Everlasting Life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see Life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
 

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Then you agree that the reference note, which Christ decided to include for everyone's benefit, is true. So why attack it?
It is an interpretation which may or may not be true, but it in no way indicated in the actual passage.

Can you see that?
 

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What does the name and title John Anthony Hill mean?
The name "John" means "by the grace of God" or "God has been gracious" (John 1:14)
The name "Anthony" means "the praiseworthy One" (Php. 2:9-10; Heb. 1:4, 9) or "the priceless one" (Matt. 13:45-46).
A "Hill" is a naturally raised area, higher than everything around it (Ps. 24:3; 43:3; 68:16; 99:9; Isa. 5:1; Ezek. 34:26; Matt. 5:14).

John Anthony Hill would be: By God's Grace, The Priceless/Praiseworthy One set above all others
Rearranged as Anthony John Hill would therefore read as: The Priceless/Praiseworthy One, by God's Grace set above all others

Hebrews 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
Hebrews 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated inequity; therefore God, [even] thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

The name/title JAH is a shortened form of Jehovah (YHWH).

Exodus 23:21 Beware of him, and obey his voice (Mark 9:7), provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for My name [is] in him.

Psalm 68:4 Sing unto God, sing praises to His name: extol Him that rideth upon the heavens by His name JAH, and rejoice before Him.

Revelation 19:1-17
19:1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, AlleluJAH; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:
19:2 For True and Righteous [are] His Judgments: for He hath judged the great "Whore", which did corrupt the Earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of His servants killed by her hand.
19:3 And again they said, AlleluJAH. And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.
19:4 And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the Throne, saying, Amen; AlleluJAH.
19:5 And a voice came out of the Throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye His servants, and ye that fear Him, both small and great.
19:6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many "waters", and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, AlleluJAH: for the Lord God Omnipotent reigneth.
19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to Him: for the Marriage of the Lamb is come, and His "Wife" (Rev. 7:4-9; Rev. 14:1-4) hath made herself ready.
19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of the Elect.
19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed [are] they which are called unto the Marriage Supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See [thou do it] NOT: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him [was] called Faithful and True (Rev. 1:5), and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
19:12 His eyes [were] as a flame of fire (Rev. 1:13-16), and on his head [were] many crowns; and he had a NAME written, that NO man knew, but HE himself (ch. 2:17; 3:12).
19:13 And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
19:14 And the armies [which were] in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
19:16 And he hath on [his] vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Further note: The Hebrew prefix "Eli" means "exalted" (https://mumsinvited.com/names-that-start-with-eli/); so the name EliJAH, means "exalted JAH".

Malachi 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the Prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful Day of the LORD
 
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The name "John" means "by the grace of God" or "God has been gracious" (John 1:14)
The name "Anthony" means "the praiseworthy One" (Php. 2:9-10; Heb. 1:4, 9) or "the priceless one" (Matt. 13:45-46).
A "Hill" is a naturally raised area, higher than everything around it (Ps. 24:3; 43:3; 68:16; 99:9; Isa. 5:1; Isa. 5:1; Ezek. 34:26; Matt. 5:14).

John Anthony Hill would be: By Go'd's Grace, The Priceless/Praiseworthy One set above all others
Rearranged as Anthony John Hill would therefore read as: The Priceless/Praiseworthy One, by God's Grace set above all others

Hebrews 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
Hebrews 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated inequity; therefore God, [even] thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

The name/title JAH is a shortened form of Jehovah (YHWH).

Exodus 23:21 Beware of him, and obey his voice (Mark 9:7), provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for My name [is] in him.

Psalm 68:4 Sing unto God, sing praises to His name: extol Him that rideth upon the heavens by His name JAH, and rejoice before Him.

Revelation 19:1-17
19:1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, AlleluJAH; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:
19:2 For True and Righteous [are] His Judgments: for He hath judged the great "Whore", which did corrupt the Earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of His servants killed by her hand.
19:3 And again they said, AlleluJAH. And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.
19:4 And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the Throne, saying, Amen; AlleluJAH.
19:5 And a voice came out of the Throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye His servants, and ye that fear Him, both small and great.
19:6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many "waters", and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, AlleluJAH: for the Lord God Omnipotent reigneth.
19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to Him: for the Marriage of the Lamb is come, and His "Wife" (Rev. 7:4-9; Rev. 14:1-4) hath made herself ready.
19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of the Elect.
19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed [are] they which are called unto the Marriage Supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See [thou do it] NOT: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him [was] called Faithful and True (Rev. 1:5), and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
19:12 His eyes [were] as a flame of fire (Rev. 1:13-16), and on his head [were] many crowns; and he had a NAME written, that NO man knew, but HE himself (ch. 2:17; 3:12).
19:13 And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
19:14 And the armies [which were] in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
19:16 And he hath on [his] vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Further note: The Hebrew prefix "Eli" means "exalted" (https://mumsinvited.com/names-that-start-with-eli/); so the name EliJAH, means "exalted JAH".

Malachi 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the Prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful Day of the LORD
So what about those who fail to recognize JAH as the messiah?
 

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@A Freeman, if you believe TWHOFTF 2.5:
ask Father WHY I might be asking a certain question before you cut-and-paste random verses.
I forgot to mention AJH's personal disclosure at introduction.

Please excuse my lack of writing professionalism. I am a soldier..
Now for why I asked the question:
@A Freeman, do you know which area of the army he had experience in and long he was in the army?
My husband is an ex-soldier and his speciality was in a communications field.
I might have considered the possibility AJH knows more than it appears so far because his writings don't look at all like academic ones (we all learn what style of writing achieves the good grades in the process of doing a degree).

The soft side of me was curious if AJH developed PTSD while in the army. We have known several soldiers who had mental breakdowns as a result. The mind can be as badly affected as the body.

P.S. I know for sure A Freeman would never let me know if AJH had been drafted into compulsory service or kicked out of the army for doing illegal things!
 
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So what about those who fail to recognize JAH as the messiah?
John 10:1-18
10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
10:2 But he that entereth in by the door (tells the Truth) is the Shepherd of the sheep.
10:3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
10:4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
10:5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
10:6
This parable spoke Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spoke unto them.
10:7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
10:8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have Life, and that they might have [it] more abundantly.
10:11 I am the Good Shepherd: the Good Shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
10:12 But he that is an hireling, and not the Shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
10:13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.
10:14 I am the Good Shepherd, and know my [sheep], and am known by mine.
10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
10:16 And other sheep I have (the "House of Israel"), which are not of this fold (the "House of Judah"): them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, [and] one Shepherd (Eze 37:22 and Genesis 49:10).
10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.


Please read, study and digest: The Way home or face The Fire by JAH. The title is self-explanatory.
 

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Not at all, but I am trying to get you to be honest with yourself and to allow you to admit that you / AJH add your interpretations to the text to lead readers to the conclusions you intend to promote?

Do you do this or does the JAHtruth group have access to a version of the Greek text the wider Christian world is not aware of?
Maybe the Greek text was found on the planet Venus at the beginning of the world or something like that?
 

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The following verses are pretty self-explanatory, but frankly sound more sympathetic towards Darwinism/ other theories of Evolution than biblical Creationism.

2:11 The natural harmony and balance, between the two sides of nature, i.e. animal and vegetation, living together and helping each other to survive, to teach the living with nature, helping it and each other. One, being more dependent upon the other; i.e. animals have to live with nature to survive, and are therefore more dependent on nature, than nature is on animals, but both help each other to survive; to teach that animals depend on nature, and nature depends on animals and God. Therefore animals should protect and live with nature and God, to ensure their own survival.

Compare that to the creationism account in Genesis chapters 1-2.

AJH inserted his five basic necessities belief.

2:12 Nature was to supply the means for food, water and shelter, which make up three of the five basic necessities, or God given rights (human rights), the fourth, of equal importance, being freewill. Freewill (freedom) to decide, whether to continue to follow Satan, or to follow God’s guidance and learn to be good, without being forced, but instead, by loving encouragement, is of the UTMOST importance.

If the KoK book is AJH's bible, he should have quoted the following verses to explain what God commanded to Adam and Eve. Instead he inserted his own reasonings and opinions.

(KJV)
Genesis 2:15 And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.


The verses demonstrate that God gave man free will and gave man permission to use his free will. There is no naming of Satan there at all.
Satan disguised as the snake is in Genesis Chapter 3.
 

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The following sentence is where Anthony John Hill inserts his karma doctrine for real.

Note: He said "eastern cultures" - he did not say "eastern religions". Religions is way more accurate.

2:14 There was also to be a perfect reward and punishment system, which was to be “almost” instantaneous (allowing time for repentance), and exactly just (Divine Justice from God Himself), so that, anyone seeking, could find perfect “Karmic law”, as the Eastern cultures now call it, and “Sowing and Reaping”, as the Western cultures call it; but both are only “Cause and Effect”, receiving their “Just-Desserts”.

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@A Freeman and Co. will say "A-HA! JAHtruth is right!!" Not so fast.

According to the bible there are natural consequences for sin. Death is one of them.

If you use keyword search "sin", "death", "sin death" etc on Biblegateway , you will see more than enough verses showing God punishes sinful people. That is not karma.

Does God punish us when we sin? - Got questions

In contrast:

Karma (/ˈkɑːrmə/, from Sanskrit: कर्म, IPA: [ˈkɐɾmɐ] (listen); Pali: kamma) is a concept of action, work or deed, and its effect or consequences.[1] In Indian religions, the term more specifically refers to a principle of cause and effect, often descriptively called the principle of karma, wherein intent and actions of an individual (cause) influence the future of that individual (effect):[2] Good intent and good deeds contribute to good karma and happier rebirths, while bad intent and bad deeds contribute to bad karma and bad rebirths. As per some scripture, there is no link of rebirths with karma.[3][4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma

Rebirth = reincarnation.
 

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Jesus taught his Apostles about "Sowing and Reaping" which is called "Karma" (Cause and Effect) by eastern religions and includes inheriting "Bad Karma" from a previous life as a punishment for sins. Proof of this can be found in the Gospel of John:-

9:1 And as [Jesus] passed by, he saw a man which was blind from [his] birth. (re-incarnation)
9:2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did SIN, THIS MAN, or his parents, that he was BORN blind? (as a punishment for those sins).

It would have been impossible for the man to have sinned before being born, and then be born blind as a punishment, unless he had existed previously, in another body.

 

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Jesus taught his Apostles about "Sowing and Reaping" which is called "Karma" (Cause and Effect) by eastern religions and includes inheriting "Bad Karma" from a previous life as a punishment for sins. Proof of this can be found in the Gospel of John:-

9:1 And as [Jesus] passed by, he saw a man which was blind from [his] birth. (re-incarnation)
9:2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did SIN, THIS MAN, or his parents, that he was BORN blind? (as a punishment for those sins).

It would have been impossible for the man to have sinned before being born, and then be born blind as a punishment, unless he had existed previously, in another body.

AJH deliberately mistranslated that and inserted the words to support his false doctrine of reincarnation.
Whole John chapter 9.

9:1 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him....


Does John 9:2 imply reincarnation - CARM ministries

Reincarnation is supported by nothing in the correctly translated bible and as far as I know the quran.
 

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People suffered the consequences of sins previously committed in the family line. It doesn't mean they were bearing the punishment of a past life.
Why would God punish people with consequences for sins, that were committed by others and that they didn't commit?

In Galatians it says that every man shall bear his own burden:

Galatians 6:5 For every man shall bear his own burden (responsibility for sin).
 

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Why would God punish people with consequences for sins, that were committed by others and that they didn't commit?

In Galatians it says that every man shall bear his own burden:

Galatians 6:5 For every man shall bear his own burden (responsibility for sin).
God did it all the time. Look at the house of Ahab and Jezebel and what happened to their lineage. That's one of many examples. God pronounced judgments on people that fell upon their offspring. His ways are not our ways. He does as he pleases.

Deuteronomy 5:9
 

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Whole John chapter 9.

9:1 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him....


Does John 9:2 imply reincarnation - CARM ministries
In John 9:3, Jesus said to them that it was not because this man had sinned, but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.
So, Jesus said it was not because of sin in his case.
Jesus said it was for a different purpose, that he was born blind.
The man got to be healed by Jesus and by the word of this spreading, it helped to increase the fame of Jesus.
And then it was all recorded in the Scripture, serving as a testimony for future generations.
He didn't say to this man, that his sin had been forgiven, like He said to many others.

The disciples did ask the question though, after they had been walking and talking with Jesus.
 
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2:12 Nature was to supply the means for food, water and shelter, which make up three of the five basic necessities, or God given rights (human rights), the fourth, of equal importance, being freewill. Freewill (freedom) to decide, whether to continue to follow Satan, or to follow God’s guidance and learn to be good, without being forced, but instead, by loving encouragement, is of the UTMOST importance
Putting freedom in the same category as food, water, and shelter is pure silliness, i dont see the relation. It's not nature that grants the human being freedom according to the bible, it's truth and the Son. In no biblical passage does it say we have always had freedom, freedom is given to us when Christ grants it in salvific grace.

"If the Son shall make you free, you shall be free indeed"
"Know the truth and the truth shall set you free"
"Teach me your way, O Lord, that I may walk in your truth" psalm
"For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ"
"I am the truth" Jesus
So it's not nature that gives everyone freedom, it's Christ and truth. Freedom is talked about as a consequence of salvation in Christ, not an original basic possession of everyone.
"It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery"
All biblical passages about freedom are given in this light.
“Out of my distress I called on the Lord; the Lord answered me and set me free.” not the Lord gave me freedom from the first and I called on him and he told me I already had it!

Totally unbiblical teaching again.
 
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