Comparison of JAHtruth's "The way home or face the Fire" to the bible

[A Freeman]

"Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, I was there. And now the Lord GOD and His Spirit Have sent Me"
God is speaking here and says that God and His spirit sent him to speak.

here’s a verse of the 3 in 1, freeman was lying as always

Where does it say God is 3 persons is one?

 

[lightseeker]

Where does it say God is 3 persons is one?

God is speaking and says God and his Spirit sent him to speak. 3. You already lost this argument, this is just the appendix to it. You were proven definitively wrong about your Michael stance, you stand there dumbfounded, perplexed, your words fail you, you have been proven wrong and you admit it although cannot do so verbally.

 

[A Freeman]

Here is where God and His Christ have plainly told us that God is NOT 3 persons in one.

Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The "I AM" our God [is] ONE LORD:

Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The First of all the Commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is ONE LORD:

Sura 2:163. And your God is ONE God. There is no god but He, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

ONE MEANS ONE. It doesn't mean 3=1 or 1=3 or anything other than ONE.

God does NOT lie, nor can God ever be a human.

Numbers 23:19 God [is] NOT a man, that He should lie; NEITHER THE SON OF MAN, that He should repent: hath He said, and shall He not do [it]*? or hath He spoken, and shall He not make it good*?

*God is OMNIPOTENT (All-Powerful at ALL times)

Jesus is referred to as "the Son of Man" over 80 times in the Gospel accounts, proving that He cannot possibly be God.

Matthew (30): 8:20, 9:6, 10:23, 11:19, 12:8, 12:32, 12:40, 13:37, 13:41, 16:13, 16:27, 16:28, 17:9, 17:12, 17:22, 18:11, 19:28, 20:18, 20:28, 24:27, 24:30, 24:37, 24:39, 24:44, 25:13, 25:31, 26:2, 26:24, 26:45, 26:64

Mark (14): 2:10, 2:28, 8:31, 8:38, 9:9, 9:12, 9:31, 10:33, 10:45, 13:26. 13:34, 14:21, 14:41, 14:62,

Luke (26): 5:24, 6:4, 6:22, 7:34, 9:22, 9:26, 9:44, 9:56, 9:58, 11:30, 12:8, 12:10, 12:40, 17:22, 17:24, 17:26, 17:30, 18:8, 18:31, 19:10, 21:27, 21:36, 22:22, 22:48, 22:69, 24:7

John (11): 1:51, 3:13, 3:14, 5:27, 6:27, 6:53, 6:62, 8:19, 12:23, 12:34, 13:31

And what did Christ say about His personal powers?

John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do NOTHING of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever He doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

John 5:30 I can of mine own self do NOTHING: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the Will of the Father which hath sent me.

God, Who is THE All-Powerful King Ruler of the Universe, CREATED/MADE His Firstborn Eldest Son Michael, known here on Earth by the TITLE is Christ, which means "The Anointed One", i.e. the One Whom God Himself Anointed to be a King over us.

A Prince is the Firstborn/Eldest Son of the King and the heir to the Throne, which is why Michael is referred to as THE GREAT PRINCE (Dan. 12:1).

And who was God's Firstborn identified as in Scripture? CHRIST (Col. 1:15; Rom. 8:29; Rev. 3:14).

Who is the COMMANDER/Lord of God's Army/Sabaoth? Prince Michael/Christ (James 5:4; Rev. 12:7).

And Who is it that Father (God) has placed in charge of judging us all on Judgment Day? Again, Prince Michael/Christ (Enoch 59:9; John 5:22).

How can it be made any more obvious? A Father can NEVER be His own Son and a Son can NEVER be His own Father.

Is God the author of confusion (1 Cor. 14:33)? God forbid!

 

[lightseeker]

Yawn. All unities are composed of parts. Man is body, soul, spirit. God is father, son, Holy Spirit. Freeman can’t explain how Michael created all the beings of the heavens, will remain after creation, and is worshipped by the angels because Christ is not Michael, he is Christ, the Son, who is One with God (John 10:30) and is to be honoured the same as God. (John 5:21) just bow out while you still might have a shred of dignity freeman

 

[lightseeker]

ONE MEANS ONE

I and the Father are One - Jesus

 

[A Freeman]

This is what is pointed out in The Way home or face The Fire, that no one on Earth has ever recognized to be the story of WHY God made the Earth and WHY we were sent here, until Christ returned as prophesied, to explain that mystery to us:

Revelation 12:7-12
12:7 And there WAS war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon (Lucifer); and the dragon fought and his angels,
12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out TO THE EARTH, and his angels (you - Luke 9:55) were cast out with him (Matthew 25:41).
12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and The Kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their (human) lives unto the death (John 12:25).

Please note well that the angels are Michael's to command, a power belonging to God's Christ.

Please also note that it was Satan and his angels (all of us) that were cast to the Earth 6000 years ago, with Adam and Eve being the first among the lineage leading up to Jesus.

Luke 9:55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what kind of spirit ye are of (Rev. 12:7-9; Matt. 8:22).

Matthew 7:11 If ye then, BEING EVIL, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask Him?

Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into Everlasting Fire, prepared for the devil and his angels (YOU that do not DO God's Will):

Amazingly, this same story is told to us in the very first chapter of the Bible, IF anyone was actually paying attention.

Genesis 1:6-8
1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the "waters", and let it divide the "waters" from the "waters".
1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which [were] under the firmament from the waters which [were] above the firmament: and it was so.
1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the Second Day.

So the firmament in the above passage is Heaven. And Heaven is dividing the "waters" above Heaven, from the "waters" under Heaven. And what are the "waters"?

Revelation 17:15 And he saith unto me, The "waters" which thou sawest, where the "Whore" sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

God divided the third of us that were drawn into Satan's army to fight against God and His Christ from the two-thirds that fought with Prince Michael/Christ and Michael's angels for God.

So The Way home or face The Fire unsurprisingly has it right, and those who attack it very obviously have it wrong, proving which side of this war they are still on.

Learn The Way home or face The Fire. It's as simple as that.

 

[A Freeman]

Father (God) is so amazing.

Satan has his minions come and start this thread, in the hope that they may "prove" to the world why Christ is supposedly wrong and why the so-called devout "Christians" and "Muslims" (and perhaps the "Jews" too) are somehow right.

And what does Father do? He allows them to make fools of themselves, exposing their silly man-made doctrines and traditions while proving they don't know or understand Scripture, despite trying to be clever.

Psalm 1
1:1 Blessed [is] the man that walketh not in the counsel of the unGodly, nor standeth like the sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
1:2 But his delight [is] in The Law of the "I AM"; and in His Law doth he meditate day and night.
1:3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.
1:4 The unGodly [are] not so: but [are] like the chaff which the wind driveth away.
1:5 Therefore the unGodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.
1:6 For the "I AM" knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the unGodly shall perish.


Psalm 2
2:1 Why do the unenlightened rage, and the people imagine a futile thing?
2:2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the "I AM", and against His Anointed, (2 Esd. 13:34) [saying],
2:3 Let us break Their bonds asunder, and cast away Their cords from us.
2:4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall make fools of them.
2:5 Then shall He speak unto them in His wrath, and terrify them in His fury.
2:6 Yet have I set My King (to govern - Isa. 9:6-7) upon My Holy Hill of Gathering (Isa. 33:16; 2 Esd. 13:35).
2:7 I will declare the decree: the "I AM" hath said unto me, Thou [art] My Son; this day have I created thee.
2:8 Ask of Me, and I shall give [thee] the unenlightened [for] thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth [for] thy possession.
2:9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel (Rev. 12:5).
2:10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
2:11 Serve the "I AM" with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
2:12 Kiss My Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish [from] The Way, when his wrath is kindled just a little (Luke 19:27). Blessed [are] all they that put their trust in him.

1 Corinthians 1:27-29
1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
1:28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, [yea], and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
1:29 That NO FLESH should glory in His Presence.

Romans 1:18-25
1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all unGodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the Truth as unrighteousness;
1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest to them; for God hath showed [it] unto them.
1:20 For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] His eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [Him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations (Gen. 6:5), and their foolish heart was darkened.
1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
1:25 Who changed the Truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, Who is blessed for ever. Amen.

God will use this thread for good, as those precious few (Christ's Sheep - Matt. 25:31-46; John 10:1-18; Sura 3:55) with spiritual eyes to see will find, read and digest the Truth in The Way home or face The Fire, while the goats (who play the goats) will continue to revel in the unrighteous works of their hands and their worship of man-made doctrines and traditions, to their own destruction (Isa. 3:12).

God Bless.

 

[JoChris]

Yawn. All unities are composed of parts. Man is body, soul, spirit. God is father, son, Holy Spirit. Freeman can’t explain how Michael created all the beings of the heavens, will remain after creation, and is worshipped by the angels because Christ is not Michael, he is Christ, the Son, who is One with God (John 10:30) and is to be honoured the same as God. (John 5:21) just bow out while you still might have a shred of dignity freeman

A Freeman should be defending his leader's ebook, the alleged inspired book of Jesus "reborn in a new body" (reincarnated to non-JAHtruthers).

Examining TWHOFTF has turned out to be more interesting* than the tired "trinity doesn't make sense" (JAHtruth version) distraction tactic.

*translation: it is like eating fresh food after living on ration packs for weeks.

@A Freeman, yes the CHRISTIAN God certainly will use this thread to His glory and for His purpose.
I pray in the REAL Jesus' name that all who do read this thread are permanently prevented from falling for Anthony John Hill's false religion.

 

[JoChris]

For philosophy nerds as well as theology nerds, if you watch these first you will see AJH has created a very poor variation of Gnosticism blended along with conflicting religions:

For serious in-depth lectures on Gnosticism and Hermeticism, James Lindsay has recently done some fantastic talks:

They are long, but they are worth the effort to get through!!!

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Looking at the actual message of AJH, I think this issue of religious law keeping vs God’s law written on our hearts is a very interesting one to delve into.

 

[A Freeman]

Be AT ONE with God through ATONEMENT (at-one-ment) as our Example Prince Michael/Christ is at one with God (John 10:30).

1 Corinthians 6:16-17
6:16 What? Know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? For two, saith He, shall be one flesh.
6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is ONE SPIRIT.

1 Corinthians 8:6-7
8:6 But to us [there is only] ONE God, the Father, of Whom [are] all things, and we of Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things, and we by him.
8:7 Howbeit [there is] not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat [it] as a thing offered unto an idol*; and their conscience being weak is defiled.

*What "Christians" call "Holy Communion", where they drink wine and eat a wafer as an offering to their idolatrous "trinity".

The True Meaning of Holy Communion

John 17:16-24
17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
17:17 Sanctify them through Thy Truth: Thy Word is Truth.
17:18 As Thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
17:19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the Truth.
17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe me through their word;
17:21 THAT THEY ALL MAY BE ONE; AS THOU, FATHER, [ART] IN ME, AND I IN THEE, THAT THEY ALSO MAY BE ONE IN US: THAT THE WORLD MAY BELIEVE THAT THOU HAS SENT ME.
17:22 And the glory which Thou gavest me I have given them; THAT THEY MAY BE ONE, EVEN AS WE ARE ONE:
17:23 I in them, and Thou in me, that they may be made perfect in ONE; and that the world may know that Thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as Thou hast loved me.
17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom Thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my Glory, which Thou hast given me: for Thou lovedst me BEFORE the foundation of the world.

When someone is so spiritually blinded by their own arrogance, that they refuse to acknowledge the TRUTH from God that THERE IS NO TRINITY, nor any other God besides THE ONE TRUE GOD and Father OF our Lord Christ, the Saviour, how can they understand ANYTHING spiritual? Do the unenlightened never consider why NONE of the disciples or apostles ever refer to a "trinity" or why NONE of them EVER baptized anyone in the name of a "trinity"?

1 Peter 1:3 Blessed [be] the God and Father OF our Lord Christ the Saviour, which according to His abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto MY Father, and your Father; and [to] MY God, and your God.

How obvious does it need to be made? No one that is spiritually blind has any hope of recognizing or understanding the Truth (John 3:3-7), which does NOT need to defend itself; THE TRUTH IS TRUTH and proves itself to be True, regardless of whether anyone believes it or not.

The Way home or face The Fire by JAH, which is the "little book"/"white stone" prophesied to be delivered to us just before Judgment Day (Rev. 10:6-10; Rev. 2:17), like ALL of Scripture (God's Word) when correctly written and translated into ANY language, does NOT need to be defended.

It is the ERRANT views of people and their satanic religions that cannot hold up to even minimal scrutiny. That's why Satan needed his organized religions and their sales staff (priests, pastors, rabbis, imams, etc.) to SELL their made-up doctrines and traditions to people.

God's TRUTH is FREE. And it speaks for itself.

 

[A Freeman]

TRUTH (from God, offered as a free gift to all able to receive it):

THERE IS ONE GOD. The God and Father of our Lord, Christ the Saviour (Deut. 6:4; Mark 12:29; Sura 2:163).

THERE IS ONE MEDIATOR between God and men; our Lord, Christ, the Saviour (1 Tim. 2:5), whom God sent.

THERE IS ONE LAW on this planet: God's Law, found in the first five books of the Bible (Deut. 4:2; 12:8; 12:32). It is eternal/spiritual and applies to everyone up to and including God Himself.

THERE IS ONE WAY TO BE BORN AGAIN from above, i.e. born of God (1 John 3:4-10): REPENT (stop sinning) and KEEP THE ONE LAW THAT GOD GAVE US (Matt. 5:17-20).

THERE IS NO OTHER WAY TO BE OF ONE MIND AND ONE HEART WITH GOD (Acts 5:29-32; 1 Cor. 3:16). God cannot write His Law into the hearts and minds of those who don't know Him or Love Him and refuse to keep His Law and LIVE by it.

It is our free-will choice to either obey God and be His Children, or continue to obey Satan, in which case we are Satan's children [King of kings - John 8:35-36 (John 8:44-45 KJV)]. We are the children of Whom/whom we choose to obey.

THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY HOME: FOLLOW CHRIST'S EXAMPLE (John 14:6) in keeping The Law and learning to crucify all selfish desire DAILY (Luke 9:23; Gal. 2:20).

Learn to be ONE with God and His Christ. We presently have to be in this world, but we do not need to be, nor should we be, of this world (following its worldly ways, doctrines, and traditions).

As we should all pray (without ceasing): MAY FATHER'S WILL BE DONE.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

They are long, but they are worth the effort to get through!!!

Watching now @JoChris

I have been trying to piece together my perceptions of TWHOFTF and I think I have it:

“Gnostic chipboard with an Abrahamic Veneer”

 

[JoChris]

Watching now @JoChris

I have been trying to piece together my perceptions of TWHOFTF and I think I have it:

“Gnostic chipboard with an Abrahamic Veneer”

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That is why the concept of Gnosticism itself needs to be examined before the "the way home or face the fire" is discussed further.
The knowledge is not objective, factual, logical, measurable.
It is an esoteric, secret hidden knowledge that only a select few have...
James Lindsay admits he takes a way broader view than Christians like. When we read the word "gnosticism" we think of the Gnostic heresies that began at end of 1st century AD and peaked about 3rd century.
Gnosticism has come back under different guises over the centuries of course and JL makes a convincing case that the "Woke" movement (especially transgenderism) is in fact a new type of Gnosticism.

In the second one, he goes a lot into the occult beliefs that got into modern society via Theosophy, Marx and Lenin.

 

[The Sojourner]

I agree with you a fair bit.
David repented because of his faith in God, but he was punished severely for his terrible sins. 2 Samuel chapters 11-12

We NEED a Saviour, and that Saviour is Jesus Christ who died on the cross for our sins, and rose from the dead to prove His victory over sin.
And yes, In this life we will bear some consequences for our personal sins even if we believe in Jesus.

Yes, and it shows that we are held responsible by God for our actions, thoughts and words and that just because He may forgive us when we repent, it does not mean that we won't get punished, too. So realising that, should make us all want to really live a good life.
I'm glad that we were able to agree on this much, and yes, I agree with the second part of what you said, too.

But note too, that in TWHOFTF it says that a person cannot be evil their entire life and then expect to just have it all forgiven for them at the last minute, when they are on their death-bed, by saying to a priest that they are sorry and giving their money to the church:

TWHOFTF
9:69 “So-called” christian priests, in general; and especially Roman Catholic priests; have caused
incalculable harm in the world, by teaching people that God is stupid. They have taught people, that
they can be evil all their lives, and as long as these people get one of their priests, and say that they
are sorry, on their death-bed, and give money to the church, then everything is alright, and that God
will forgive them.
9:70 Unfortunately, most people believe their stupid evil LIES, and do exactly that, which is why
the world is so bad, and the churches are so rich, especially the Roman Catholic church.
9:71 That is why most of the catholic countries are so corrupt, because people take bribes, and do
wrong all their lives, believing that it doesn’t matter, so long as they go to confession, and receive
absolution from a priest.
9:72 Do YOU really think you can live your life, being willfully evil, thinking it’s alright, as long as
you say you’re sorry, on your deathbed, to a priest, and give money to the church, and that you can
fool God? You are the ones who are stupid and being fooled - conned really. You can’t fool God, He
knows everything you think (Galatians 6:7).

It says in Galatians 6:7:

6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, THAT shall he also reap.

 

[Infinityloop]

There are at least 300 references to The Fire that awaits most of mankind on Judgement Day in the Koran/Quran, along with numerous verses referring to reincarnation.

Our Reality is simple: we have all been given 6000 years and many human lifetimes to overcome our own arrogance/ignorance (ego) in believing we can think, say and do whatever we want (Deut. 12:8), and come to our senses and listen to and believe God and His Messenger/Angel ONLY, i.e. exercise FAITH.

Other than Christ Himself (Who came from heaven and has visited Earth many times in several different human bodies, including Elijah), the only one of us that has led a human life that pleased God is Enoch, referred to in the Old Covenant, New Covenant and the Koran (Quran). The only one who was "translated" directly to Judgement Day, because his testimony (his thoughts, words and actions) pleased God.

Genesis 5:23-24
5:23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:
5:24 And Enoch walked with God: and he [was] not; for God took him.

Note: it doesn't say that Enoch "slept with his fathers" as it does for every other Prophet; it says that God took him

Hebrews 11:5-6
11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
11:6 But without faith [it is] impossible to please [Him]: for he that cometh to God must believe that He is, and [that] He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him.

Sura 19:56-57
19:56. Also mention in the Book the case of Enoch: he was a man of truth (and sincerity), (and) a Prophet:
19:57. And We raised him to a lofty station.

At the end of each human lifetime, when the Soul (spirit-Being - the REAL you) is liberated from the human body it has been incarnating, it is brought back to Paradise, where it receives its life review (showing us both the good and the evil that we have done), before all of the evil is erased and we are sent back with only the good we have done. That way, each Soul has with it the cumulative good it has done in each previous human lifetime, so that every Soul is in the exact place it has earned a right to be in eternal time.

As it says in Scripture, THIS is hell (planet Earth, an open-air prison reform school for the criminally insane); the flames are merely reserved for the Last Day (Judgement Day, when all are due to be judged by Prince Michael/Christ - Enoch 59:9; John 5:22).

You can continue to mock God if you wish, pretending that He isn't merciful and long-suffering, giving all of us ample opportunity over numerous human lifetimes to come to our senses, but that won't end well for you, nor for anyone else who chooses a similar path, regardless of what corporate fictional organized religion they choose to follow instead of following God.

Peace be upon you.

The belief that this world is Hell or a "prison planet" is Gnosticism.

The Qur'an also vividly describes hell with literal images, and we do not experience any of these things literally in this life and therefore can disregard your fanatical views.
Hell is also for the disbelievers and evil, it is also eternal. So for earth to be Hell would require us to not die and to perpetually be in torment, and would also mean that you yourself are a disbeliever by your own admission. Your position is incoherent and not based on anything scriptural, like usual.

 

[Infinityloop]

A few of over three dozen verses in the Koran (Quran) that plainly refer to reincarnation, which is an irrefutable fact:

Sura 2:28. How can ye reject the faith in God?- seeing that ye were without life, and He gave you life; then will He cause you to die, and will again bring you to life; and again to Him will ye return.

Sura 11:7. He it is Who created the heavens and the Earth in six Days - and His Throne was over the waters (Rev. 17:15) - that He might try you, which of you is best in conduct. But if thou wert to say to them, "Ye shall indeed be raised up after death", the Unbelievers would be sure to say, "This is nothing but obvious sorcery!"

Sura 13:5. If thou dost marvel (at their want of faith), strange is their saying: "When we are (actually) dust, shall we indeed then be in a renewed creation?" They are those who deny their Lord! They are those round whose necks will be yokes (of servitude): they will be Companions of The Fire, to dwell therein (for ever)!

Sura 16:70. It is "I AM" who creates you and takes your souls at death; and of you there are some who are sent back to a feeble age, so that they know nothing after having known (much): for "I AM" is All-Knowing, All-Powerful.

Sura 17:46-51
17:46. And We put coverings over their hearts (and minds) lest they should understand the Koran, and deafness into their ears: when thou dost commemorate thy Lord- and Him alone- in the Koran, they turn their backs, fleeing (from the Truth).
17:47. We know best why it is they listen, when they listen to thee; and when they meet in private conference, behold, the wicked say, "Ye follow none other than a man bewitched!"
17:48. See what similes they strike for thee: but they have gone astray, and never can they find The Way.
17:49. They say: "What! When we are reduced to bones and dust, should we really be raised up (to be) a new creation?"
17:50. Say: "(Nay!) be ye stones or iron,
17:51. Or created matter which, in your minds, is hardest (to be raised up),- (yet shall ye be raised up)!" Then will they say: "Who will cause us to return?" Say: "He Who first created you!" Then will they wag their heads towards thee, and say, "When will that be?" Say, "Maybe it will be quite soon!

Sura 56:47-52
56:47. And they used to say, "What! When we die and become dust and bones, shall we then indeed be raised up again?-
56:48. (We) and our fathers of old?"
56:49. Say: "Yea, those of old and those of later times,
56:50. All will certainly be gathered together for the meeting appointed for a Day well-known.
56:51. Then will ye truly,- O ye that go wrong, and treat (Truth) as Falsehood!-
56:52. Ye will surely taste the fruit of the Tree of the knowledge of evil.

Sura 2:28
Sura 2:53-56
Sura 2:154-157
Sura 3:181-185
Sura 7:53
Sura 7:167-169
Sura 13:5
Sura 16:70
Sura 17:46-51
Sura 17:96-99
Sura 20:55
Sura 20:124-126
Sura 22:5-6
Sura 22:65-66
Sura 23:30-40
Sura 23:80-84
Sura 23:99-101
Sura 26:81
Sura 27:67
Sura 30:40
Sura 32:10-12
Sura 34:7-8
Sura 36:68
Sura 37:11-20
Sura 39:42
Sura 40:11
Sura 41:20-25
Sura 44:35-36
Sura 46:17-18
Sura 50:2-11
Sura 56:24
Sura 56:47-52
Sura 56:60-62
Sura 57:17
Sura 71:17-18
Sura 79:10-12
Sura 80:18-23
Sura 100:9-11

"Reincarnation is in the Quran"

- then goes ahead and quotes verses from the Qur'an which are about resurrection (which is literal).
Both Resurrections and Reincarnation are completely different beliefs and also both relate to completely different cosmological schemes.

Resurrection (which is both Biblical and Quranic) posits that on the Day of Judgment, your body will be reformed/reassembled from the dust of your corpse, and that you will be judged. There are only two 'lives' in resurrection cosmology; the life of this world (Dunya) and the life of the Hereafter (Akhirah). The hereafter includes both Hell (Jahannam) and Paradise (Jannah).

Reincarnation posits that you are the incarnation of an abstract form (different religions have varying views on exactly what it is), ultimately a form of God itself, which returns back to this same earth basically infinitely until it is redeemed. God is trapped in the forms it has created and therefore is all people, trying to seek a return to it's essential pure state. In reincarnation, you have been on this planet thousands of times before and if you don't succeed in this life, then you'll be return again upon your death.

 

[A Freeman]

The belief that this world is Hell or a "prison planet" is Gnosticism.

The Qur'an also vividly describes hell with literal images, and we do not experience any of these things literally in this life and therefore can disregard your fanatical views.
Hell is also for the disbelievers and evil, it is also eternal. So for earth to be Hell would require us to not die and to perpetually be in torment, and would also mean that you yourself are a disbeliever by your own admission. Your position is incoherent and not based on anything scriptural, like usual.

The Book of Psalms that was given to David is a Bible book that even hard-headed "Muslims" reportedly accept as true (even while foolishly rejecting most of the rest of the Old Covenant and New Covenant), because it is specifically referenced in the Koran (Quran).

Sura 21:105. Before this We wrote in the Psalms (in the Old Covenant), after the Message (given to Moses): My servants the righteous, shall inherit the Earth."

And what does it tell us in Psalms?

Psalm 16:10-11
16:10 For Thou wilt not leave my soul in hell (planet Earth); neither wilt Thou suffer Thine Holy One to see corruption.
16:11 Thou wilt show me the path of Life: in Thy presence [is] fulness of joy; at Thy right hand [there are] pleasures for evermore.

Psalm 18:4-5
18:4 The sorrows of death compassed me, and the floods of unGodly men made me afraid.
18:5 The sorrows of hell compassed me about: the snares of death prevented me.

Psalm 116:3-4
116:3 The sorrows of death compassed me, and the pains of hell got hold upon me: I found trouble and sorrow.
116:4 Then called I upon the name of the "I AM"; O "I AM", I beseech Thee, deliver my soul.

We live in a world where people lie, cheat and steal from each other on a regular basis (and call it business as usual), where women are raped, children are molested, people are intentionally poisoning one another and the soil, crops, air and water, etc. and where murder has been "legalized" in the form of war, just as theft has been "legalized" in the form of taxes.

It requires an extreme level of insanity/spiritual blindness to look at this world and not recognize that this is hell, and a maximum security prison planet for the criminally insane, exactly as it tells us repeatedly in Scripture.

Further, Christ called Lucifer/Satan/Iblis the temporary "prince of this world" (John 12:31; 14:30; 16:11), indicating that he is temporarily in control of people's minds and has set up his beast system, which people very obviously worship (Rev. 13:1-9) .

What the Koran (Quran) vividly describes hundreds of times is hell-fire (The Fire), awaiting most of mankind on Judgement Day.

Sura 4:56. Those who reject Our Signs, We shall soon cast into The Fire: as often as their skins are roasted through, We shall change them for fresh skins, that they may taste the Penalty: for God is Exalted in Power, and in Wisdom.

So what you claim is unscriptural is actually right there in front of your eyes IN SCRIPTURE, if only you had spiritual eyes to see. That's why Satan had you (and others) label this 100% Scriptural Truth as "Gnosticism", to keep it from getting through your thick skulls and stiff-necks.

 

[A Freeman]

"Reincarnation is in the Quran"

- then goes ahead and quotes verses from the Qur'an which are about resurrection (which is literal).
Both Resurrections and Reincarnation are completely different beliefs and also both relate to completely different cosmological schemes.

Resurrection (which is both Biblical and Quranic) posits that on the Day of Judgment, your body will be reformed/reassembled from the dust of your corpse, and that you will be judged. There are only two 'lives' in resurrection cosmology; the life of this world (Dunya) and the life of the Hereafter (Akhirah). The hereafter includes both Hell (Jahannam) and Paradise (Jannah).

Reincarnation posits that you are the incarnation of an abstract form (different religions have varying views on exactly what it is), ultimately a form of God itself, which returns back to this same earth basically infinitely until it is redeemed. God is trapped in the forms it has created and therefore is all people, trying to seek a return to it's essential pure state. In reincarnation, you have been on this planet thousands of times before and if you don't succeed in this life, then you'll be return again upon your death.

The Resurrection is happening all around us now, during this great awakening (Dan. 12:1-2). The Resurrection will, like The Fire (hell-fire), manifest itself physically ONCE on Last Day (Judgement Day) for the "Elect". Conversely, reincarnation is the soul (spirit-Being, i.e. the real you) being sent back AGAIN and AGAIN in a new physical human body (skin) to learn the spiritual lessons required to be resurrected on the Last Day. So yes, resurrection and reincarnation are two different things, which are BOTH found repeatedly throughout Scripture.

REINCARNATION
Sura 2:28. How can ye reject the faith in God?- seeing that ye were without life, and He gave you life; then will He cause you to die, and will AGAIN bring you to life; and AGAIN to Him will ye return.

RESURRECTION
Sura 2:174-175
2:174. Those who conceal God's revelations in The Book, and purchase for them a miserable profit,- they swallow into themselves naught but Fire; God will not address them on The Day of Resurrection, nor purify them: grievous will be their Penalty.
2:175. They are the ones who buy Error in place of Guidance and Torment in place of Forgiveness. Ah! What boldness (they show) for The Fire!

REINCARNATION
Sura 3:181-185
3:181. God hath heard the taunt of those who say: "Truly, God is indigent and we are rich!"- We shall certainly record their word and (their act) of slaying the Prophets in defiance of right, and We shall say: "Taste ye the Penalty of The Scorching Fire!
3:182. This is because of the (unrighteous deeds) which your hands sent on before ye: for God never harms those who serve Him."
3:183. They (also) said: "(God) took our promise not to believe in an apostle unless he showed us a sacrifice consumed by fire (from heaven)." Say: "There came to you Apostles before me, with Clear Signs and even with what ye ask for: why then did ye slay them, if ye speak the truth?"
3:184. Then if they reject thee, so were rejected Apostles before thee, who came with Clear Signs, Books of dark prophecies, and the Book of Enlightenment.
3:185. Every soul shall have a taste of death: and only on The Day of Judgment shall you be paid your full recompense. Only he who is saved far from The Fire and admitted to The Garden will have attained the object (of Life): for the life of this world is only goods and chattels of deception.

RESURRECTION
3:55. Behold! God said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee SUPERIOR to those who reject faith, to The Day of Resurrection: then shall ye all return unto Me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.

REINCARNATION
Sura 41:20-25
41:20. At length, when they reach The (Fire), their hearing, their sight, and their skins (humans) will bear witness against them, as to (all) their deeds.
41:21. They will say to their skins (humans): "Why bear ye witness against us?" They will say: "("I AM") hath given us speech,- (He) Who giveth speech to everything: He created you for the first time, and unto Him were ye to return.
41:22. Ye did not seek to hide yourselves, lest your hearing, your sight, and your skins (humans) should bear witness against you! But ye did think that "I AM" knew not many of the things that ye used to do!
41:23. But this thought of yours which ye did entertain concerning your Lord, hath brought you to destruction, and (now) have ye become of those utterly lost!"
41:24. If, then, they have patience, The Fire will be a home for them! And if they beg to be received into favour, into favour will they not (then) be received.
41:25. And We have destined for them intimate companions (women) (of like nature), who made alluring to them what was before them and behind them (Isaiah 3:12-24; Ezekiel 13:18-23); and the Sentence among the previous generations of Beings and humans (human+beings), who have passed away, is confirmed against them; for they are utterly lost.

Sura 44:35-36
44:35. "There is nothing beyond our first death, and we shall not be raised again.
44:36. Then bring (back) our ancestors, if what ye say is true!"

And further on the RESURRECTION...(see Sura 75 also)...

The Gospel of Jesus according to Matthew, 22:23-33
22:23 The same day came to him the Sadducees, which say that there is no resurrection (or Hereafter), and asked him,
22:24 Saying, Master, Moses said, If a man die, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother.
22:25 Now there were with us seven brethren: and the first, when he had married a wife, deceased, and, having no issue, left his wife unto his brother:
22:26 Likewise the second also, and the third, unto the seventh.
22:27 And last of all the woman died also.
22:28 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.
22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the Scriptures, nor the power of God.
22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
22:31 But as touching the resurrection of the "Dead", have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,
22:32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the "Dead", but of the Living.
22:33 And when the multitude heard [this], they were astonished at his doctrine.

So much for the hadith-driven fantasy (LIE) about "72 virgins" in the Resurrection.

Authenticity of 72 Virgins Hadith - WikiIslam

wikiislam.github.io

The sleeper MUST awaken (Eph. 5:14; Sura 18:22).

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[JoChris]

Before the next chapter will be looked at, people should get familiar with the concept of Gnosticism first.

Learn religions - what is Gnosticism?
Gnosticism is an umbrella term for a diverse movement of more than 50 ancient spiritual sects that sprang up around the same time as early Christianity (though some sects predated Christianity). Gnosticism peaked in the first and second century, but continued to influence Western thought for centuries—and still survives in some spiritual belief systems today.

Britannica - Gnosticism definition
.... Many of the so-called gnostic groups are characterized by a mythology that distinguishes between an inferior creator of the world (a demiurge) and a more transcendent god or order of being. Another frequently encountered theme is that there is a special class or race of humans that is descended from the transcendent realm and is destined to achieve salvation and to return to its spiritual origins. Salvation is understood as a revelation that reawakens knowledge (gnosis) of the race’s divine identity; in contrast, the traditional Christian emphasis is on redemption through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

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For a more-light hearted look at a modern example:

Towards the end, the Scientology representative says:
" [L.Ron Hubbard] he just closed his eyes and wrote down whatever came to mind...."

6 Core beliefs of Modern Gnosticism - spiritual growth guide

The Physical World Is Imperfect – ....This world is filled with suffering. Earth and all of God’s creations are flawed.....

The Gnostic God – in Gnosticism and Modern Gnosticism, there is one ultimate God. He created the whole universe, not from nothing. But from Himself.

The divine spark within us - And we all possess His spark. .... Only those who are destined for liberation realize who they really are within. But this implies realizing that the physical world is just a facade ......

Gnosis Is Salvation – .....all [should] seek Salvation or Gnosis. ......
Only through spiritual wisdom, will one be able to understand the clear path toward salvation. And God sent us numerous Messengers of Light.....

The Destiny Of Humankind – each person on earth has.....to find Gnosis before they die. Otherwise.....
they might be trapped in the realms of the Demiurge (equivalent to hell). Or, secondly, they might be forced to reborn [reincarnate]. ....