Discrepancies between the Bible and the “King of Kings” version

[JoChris]

Is Imran Hosein a JAHTruther? Because he sees it. He is also a scholar, so, his explanation should be of particular interest to you.

Imran Hosein is a Muslim. Muslims tend to agree with people who disagree with Christianity very easily.

 

[Infinityloop]

Imran Hosein is a Muslim. Muslims tend to agree with people who disagree with Christianity very easily.

Imran Hosein is not an authority and doesn't claim to be one. He may have studied at a university, but he is just an author who does speaking tours. I don't "follow" him but I am familiar with his work. He's not a Shaykh, not an 'Alim and even an academic scholar either. His focus is the geopolitics of eschatology via his own speculative interpretations on Islam's eschatology.
He is just like many Christians who do the same kind of thing (and even Redsky on here, in his own way - take his thread on Israel and the Book of Isaiah as an analogous comparison), he's like you, I or anyone else when it comes to authority.
Hosein has had some interesting ideas but he doesn't stand above the 14+ centuries of scholars in our religion, but some of his ideas are in direct contradiction of consensus in Islam, and people have called him out for it before.

However I think A Freeman referencing him is a good 'breaking the fourth wall' moment for you and I to observe in these Jahtruthers. On one hand they'll attack priests/rabbis/pastors/imams etc anyone they perceive as authority (often actually being irrelevant to matters of doctrine etc) who stand in the way of the claims that Jahtruthers make, yet in the same breath they'll appeal to someone they perceive as an authority (i.e. Imran Hosein) to make them conform to their claims.

 

[lightseeker]

Some more editing on Anthony’s part-
Matthew 28 19"Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." Bible
“28:19 Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them with the Holy Spirit: in my name (The Saviour),”Kok

1John 5 7 “"For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one." bible
1 John 5 7 “For there are three that bear record” KoK

 

[A Freeman]

Acts 12:3

1Now about that time Herod the king stretched forth his hands to vex certain of the church. 2And he killed James the brother of John with the sword. 3And because he saw it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to take Peter also. (Then were the days of unleavened bread.) 4And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.

The feast of unleavened bread takes place after passover. If he was arrested during the feast of unleavened bread then the passover had already occurred.

Exodus 12:6-19

Exodus 12 KJV

biblehub.com

Lev 23
5In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover. 6And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread. 7In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein

But I'm sure you already knew that...

(I'm note going to get into any of the theories of the KJV having "advanced revelation" and "easter" in this context referring to the pagan feast, because the only one allowed to spread their unique teachings is a freeman on behalf of jah... but sometimes these theories make sense, just saying)

Because the Passover is the first night of eight nights of unleavened bread, it is common-practice for people to refer to the entire 8-day period of Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread simply as "Passover".

The fact that Jesus, nor any of the disciples or apostles ever referred to "Easter" Sun-day, nor celebrated it, should have been your first clue that you were in error.

The fact that all 48 times the Hebrew "pesach" appears in the Old Covenant, it is correctly translated as "Passover", and that 28/29 times in the New Covenant the Greek "pascha" is correctly translated as Passover should have been your second clue that you were in error.

The fact that Ishtar -- which is where both the name and the holiday of Easter originates -- is a pagan celebration of Ishtar, the goddess of fertility (hence the tradition of Ishtar/Easter egg hunting), should have been your third clue that you were in error.

The fact that Friday night + Saturday night is NOT 3 nights (Matt. 12:39-40), making it impossible for there to be an "Easter Sun-day" should have been your fourth clue that you were in obvious error. Christ obviously did NOT lie when He said the Son of Man (Jesus) would be buried for three days and three nights in the heart of the earth, just as Jonah was in the belly of the whale for that exact same period of time.

Matthew 12:39-40
12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and unfaithfull generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the Prophet Jonah:
12:40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

So the King of kings has correctly translated the Greek word "pascha" in Acts 12:4, as PASSOVER, just as that word is translated as Passover everywhere else in Scripture. Passover is NOT synonymous with Ishtar/Easter, nor does the Greek word "pascha" refer to the pagan tradition of Ishtar/Easter, which no one who genuinely knows and loves Christ should be celebrating any more than they should be celebrating the pagan Yuletide (relabeled as "Christ-mass").

 

[A Freeman]

Because it doesnt say anywhere in the verse "the body He is presently using".

What do you think a CARCASE is if not a dead body? Other than a stillborn infant, aren't all dead human-bodies alive before they die?

That is just additional commentary from jah, which, as i don't accept that he is Jesus reincarnated, i don't accept as authoritative.

He's never claimed to be Jesus reincarnated. JAH is however Christ incarnated. And Christ is THE Master/Teacher (Matt. 23:8-10), whether inside of Jesus or inside of JAH, regardless of whether He is recognized or not. Very few recognized Him last time incarnated inside of Jesus, so it really comes as no surprise that very few recognize Him this time, incarnated inside of JAH.

Matt 24:26-31

26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 28For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

KJV 1611 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Matthew-Chapter-24_Original-1611-KJV/)
Matthew 24:26-31
24:26 Wherefore, if they shall say vnto you, Behold, he is in the desert, goe not foorth: Behold, he is in the secret chambers, beleeue it not.
24:27 For as the LIGHTENING commeth out of the East, and shineth euen vnto the West: so shall also the coming of the Sonne of man be.
24:28 For wheresoeuer the carkeise is, THERE will the Eagles bee gathered together.
24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those dayes, shall the Sunne be darkned, and the Moone shall not giue her light, and the starres shall fall from heauen, and the powers of the heauens shall be shaken.
24:30 And then shall appeare the signe of the Sonne of man in heauen: and then shall all the Tribes of the earth mourne, and they shall see the Sonne of man coming in the clouds of heauen, with power and great glory.
24:31 And hee shall send his Angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his Elect from the foure windes, from one end of heauen to the other.

Notes:
- JAH is neither in the desert, nor is He in the secret chambers. He is casting His "net" (Matt. 4:18-20) into the "sea" (Isa. 17:12-13).

- The Sun (Mal. 4:2) rises in the East and shines forth even unto the West, LIGHTENING the world ("I am the Light of the World), just as Christ is enlightening the world during His Second Coming (aka the Coming of the Son of Man).

-- The carcase is the body that Christ is using during His Second Coming. We know from prophecy what tribe it will be from (Joseph-Ephraim - Gen. 49:10 and 49:22-24), and even what it will look like in its old age (Rev. 1:14-16), so that it cannot possibly be confused with the body of Jesus. The "eagles" are the heavenly host (e.g. Exod. 19:4; Lam. 4:19)

- the "tribulation" is the oppression that we are currently experiencing; the "sun" is referring to the Davidic Throne of Israel (the British Throne - Ps. 89:36); the "moon" refers the British Commonwealth (Eph. 2:12), which reflects the light of the sun; and the "stars" refer to the United States, where the "heavens" refer to political systems (that sit above the "mountains"/governments - Isa. 2:1-4)

- the sign of the Son of Man in heaven is when He will be seen coming in the "Clouds" with the heavenly host, to begin the Reaping. That's why all of the tribes and kindred of the earth will MOURN and WAIL (Rev. 1:7), because at that moment, everyone will know Judgment Day is at hand, and they no longer have any more time to change their fate.

- verse 31 confirms that the "eagles" referred to in verse 28 are indeed the heavenly host, led by Prince Michael/Christ (Rev. 12:7), the Commander of God's Army (Joshua 5:13-15; Heb. 2:9-10).

Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon (Lucifer); and the dragon fought and his angels,

One explanation of these verses is that the second coming will occur as the eagles (which as i understand, the term can also refer to vultures) are feasting on the carcasses of those who perish during the battle of armaggedon.

Rev 19:17-18
17And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; 18That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

Of course, i am not forcing you, or anyone, to accept this explanation.

Understood. Likewise. It's up to each individual to either see what is being shared and to decide whether to accept it or not.

For further reference, offered for everyone's consideration: "eagles" are referred to in Scripture as the army of angels, with Prince Michael/Christ as their Commander (Lord of Sabaoth - James 5:4; Rom. 9:29)

Exodus 19:4 Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and [how] I bare you "on eagles' wings", and brought you unto Myself.

Isaiah 40:31 But they that wait upon the "I AM" shall renew [their] strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; [and] they shall walk, and not faint.

Lamentations 4:19 Our persecutors are swifter than the eagles of the heaven: they pursued us upon the mountains, they laid wait for us in the wilderness.

As i already mentioned, scripture does not say anything about the body He is "presently" using.

As above please.

I agree with you on this.

Then you must realize that Christ would obviously be here on Earth before the end, to publish the Gospel to all nations (Mark 13:10), which is when scoffers will mock Him and call Him a crazy person and a liar, just as they did with Noah.

2 Peter 3:1-7
3:1 This second epistle (letter), beloved, I now write unto you; in [both] which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
3:2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the Holy Prophets, and of the commandment of us the Apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the Last Days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as [they were] from the Beginning of the Creation.
3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by The Word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
3:7 But the heavens and the Earth, which are now, by the same Word are kept in store, reserved unto Fire against the Day of Judgment and perdition of unGodly men.

Since you bring up the similarity of Lot's situation and Noah's, surely you've noticed the difference between the two. Lot gets out in the nick of time, losing his wife in the process as she looked back to "the world" (remember Lot's wife...) , while Noah and his family entered the ark safely and waited faithfully for an entire week before it began to rain.

Thank-you. Lot also fled Sodom, which was filled with Sodomites, just as the world today is again being overrun by Sodomites.

Perhaps it should be our goal. I am not one of those people who believe we should sin shamelessly, as i've seen some Christians be sterotyped as.

I also know that if we fail in one aspect we fall short of that goal. If we break one aspect of the Law we are as good as someone who breaks it all.

Except you don't know that, and are only repeating what others have said about that one verse (James 2:10), which they use as an excuse for refusing to obey God and His Law/Commandments.

Our gracious and merciful heavenly Father KNOWS that we are all on a learning curve, and provides us with ample time to truly repent (stop) sinning/doing evil/breaking His Law. So only if we refuse to learn from our mistakes and overcome and change our selfish, evil ways, are we proving we are incorrigible.

It is the constant striving for perfection (Matt. 5:48), requiring the crucifying of all selfish desire daily (Luke 9:23), that matters. We all have sinned (broken The Law). And that is exactly what MUST change.

Thank God that He sent Jesus to cover us with His righteousness as we face God at the Judgment.

Agreed. And if we squander this final opportunity to show Christ that we love Him by keeping The Law/Commandments of God, then we are rejecting His Sacrifice.

1 Corinthians 15:33-34
15:33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.
15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the Knowledge of God: I speak [this] to your shame.

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also The Law: for sin is the transgression of The Law.

1 John 2:3-4
2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, IF we keep His Commandments.
2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth NOT His Commandments, is a LIAR, and the truth is NOT in him.

Shared in truth and in love.

God Bless.

 

[ToxicFemininitySucks]

What do you think a CARCASE is if not a dead body? Other than a stillborn infant, aren't all dead human-bodies alive before they die

I obviously know what a carcase/carcass is...

What i was saying is that scripture doesn't say this is referring to "the body Christ was presently occupying".

As for the stillborn infant, it WAS alive, unless your position is now that the unborn are not alive...

 

[ToxicFemininitySucks]

Please show us ANYWHERE else in Scripture, other than in what has been labeled as 1 Timothy 3 in some versions of the Bible, where God talks about deacons and bishops.

Well, since you said please...

Titus 1:7
5For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee: 6If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly. 7For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre; 8But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate; 9Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.


In kok he translates "elders" from v5 and "bishop/overseer" from v7 as the same word, despite them being different in greek.

I remembered another one

1Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Christ Jesus which are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons: 2Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

That part has been removed in king of kings

1:1 Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, to all the holy people [who are] in Christ Jesus which are at Philippi.
1:2 Grace [be] unto you, and peace, from God our (adopted) Father, and [from] the Lord Jesus Christ.

While on the subject of 1Tim, how does the following fit into having to follow the dietary guidelines of the Law?

1Tim4:4
3Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. 4For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: 5For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

The verse remains, relatively unaltered except for the numbering resulting from omitting ch3, in the king of kings text

3:3 Forbidding to marry, [and commanding] to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know The Truth.
3:4 For every creature of God [is] good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
3:5 For it is sanctified by the Word of God and prayer.

 

[ToxicFemininitySucks]

If anyone actually finds the word "spaceship" in the King of King's "bible" that would be great to see. The only place I find it is on the JAHtruth website.

This classic paragraph is towards the bottom where I bet AJH thought no-one but his followers will ever read:

How does that affect the Song of Moses? The Song of Moses was given by the Extra-terrestrial Ruler of the Universe to this world, via Moses on top of Mt. Horeb in Sinai, from a spaceship that was hidden inside a "Cloud" of smoke (a smoke-screen all described in the Book of Moses called Exodus) for the Being (spirit-Being) part of the human+Being to whom it will make sense, IF it is studied from that viewpoint with your spiritual eyes, as opposed to your human eyes and viewpoint.

I see in his Exodus book he uses "Cloud" instead of cloud.
e.g. Exodus 13:21 And the "I AM" went before them by day in a pillar of a "Cloud", to lead them the way; and by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light; to go by day and night:
13:22 He took not away the pillar of the "Cloud" by day, nor the pillar of fire by night, [from] before the people.

The website https://gibraltar-messenger.net/thelaw/sing-the-new-song/ gave the link to https://jahtruth.net/closeenc.htm.

I'd been looking for this post to respond to it...

I took the time to cross reference some of the lesser known verses that i have seen "creative" interpretations claim are in reference to spaceships or unidentified flying objects (not necesssarily what pop culture thinks of as ufos, but meaning an object that literally flies and is unidentified) to the kok text.

Anyway, for what it's worth the verses correctly matched up to the KJV. I am hesitant to cite the verses because i don't want to give them any ideas...

 

[Maldarker]

Kok hmm one letter off from kook....So why even waste time anymore? Crazy is as crazy does. They be crazy we have warned EVERYONE! Time to dust off the sandals & move on.

 

[JoChris]

Kok hmm one letter off from kook....So why even waste time anymore? Crazy is as crazy does. They be crazy we have warned EVERYONE! Time to dust off the sandals & move on.

I do it thinking of potential converts who might do a keyword search looking for JAHtruth or "John Anthony Hill" or "Anthony John Hill" information in the future.
Well meaning but misled Christians would be horrified at what they read here and no longer visit JAHtruth related websites.

 

[JoChris]

I'd been looking for this post to respond to it...

I took the time to cross reference some of the lesser known verses that i have seen "creative" interpretations claim are in reference to spaceships or unidentified flying objects (not necesssarily what pop culture thinks of as ufos, but meaning an object that literally flies and is unidentified) to the kok text.

Anyway, for what it's worth the verses correctly matched up to the KJV. I am hesitant to cite the verses because i don't want to give them any ideas...

I assume you are looking at Old Testament passages?
Please feel free to add anything relevant to these threads- we are all in different time zones and someone might have found the needle in the haystack for a future reader... you never know!

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Kok hmm one letter off from kook....So why even waste time anymore? Crazy is as crazy does. They be crazy we have warned EVERYONE! Time to dust off the sandals & move on.

I think there are two steps here, one possible, the other based on the uncontrollable free will of others.

It is possible to demonstrate that the KoK version is not a true, honest translation. Similarly, I think very few people would give AJH or TWHOFTF any credence.

On the other hand, to get the followers of AJH to change their mind and see things differently is a matter of free will. At present, as far as I can tell, that will is persistently being applied to ignore reason and “spiritual health” warnings over this false Christ.

 

[Maldarker]

I think there are two steps here, one possible, the other based on the uncontrollable free will of others.

It is possible to demonstrate that the KoK version is not a true, honest translation. Similarly, I think very few people would give AJH or TWHOFTF any credence.

On the other hand, to get the followers of AJH to change their mind and see things differently is a matter of free will. At present, as far as I can tell, that will is persistently being applied to ignore reason and “spiritual health” warnings over this false Christ.

No not the issue of showing that KoK is wrong its wasting time on the person or town as per JESUS's edict on those that keep hearing truth but denounce it then brush off sandals move on thinks its at that state with A freeman at this point. I showed another guy claiming to be christ i'm sure could find more and no rebuttal from freeman so like which one is which? See at this point when its the same copy paste for everything we show him as nope wrong and more copy paste at this point. Time to make a last post...never mind i got this.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

No not the issue of showing that KoK is wrong its wasting time on the person or town as per JESUS's edict on those that keep hearing truth but denounce it then brush off sandals move on thinks its at that state with A freeman at this point. I showed another guy claiming to be christ i'm sure could find more and no rebuttal from freeman so like which one is which? See at this point when its the same copy paste for everything we show him as nope wrong and more copy paste at this point. Time to make a last post...never mind i got this.

I agree. Anathema Maranatha.

 

[JoChris]

@The Soujourner, I am adding this from the other thread because it is so important. https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/comparison-of-jahtruths-the-way-home-or-face-the-fire-to-the-bible.10878/

You just accidentally showed us ANOTHER DELIBERATE CHANGE that JAHtruth made to the bible. He completely omitted the woman caught in adultery story. He left out verses 3 - 11.

KOK 8:1 Jesus went unto the Mount of Olives.
8:2 And early in the morning he came again into The Temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.
8:3 Then spoke Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the Light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the Light of Life.

KJV
8:1 Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.
2 And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.
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3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

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12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.


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@The Soujourner, can you see how AJH left out a very important account showing Jesus' mercy towards sinners - including people caught in adultery (e.g. King Charles III IF he has truly repented and believes in Jesus now)?
Jesus forgives those who believe in Him even if they have broken God's commandments.

Anthony John Hill doesn't have the merciful heart of Jesus.

 

[JoChris]

No not the issue of showing that KoK is wrong its wasting time on the person or town as per JESUS's edict on those that keep hearing truth but denounce it then brush off sandals move on thinks its at that state with A freeman at this point. I showed another guy claiming to be christ i'm sure could find more and no rebuttal from freeman so like which one is which? See at this point when its the same copy paste for everything we show him as nope wrong and more copy paste at this point. Time to make a last post...never mind i got this.

I agree with you on all of us not to do it for A Freeman any more. He has such a hardened heart that only if God is incredibly merciful will he be saved.
Now I am doing my entries purely for potential converts who may be very undiscerning for whatever reason.
Effectively I am trying to immunise whoever is already into conspiracy theories on the web.

Please continue giving your thoughts on that ebook though, IF you feel led to do so of course.

 

[ToxicFemininitySucks]

I assume you are looking at Old Testament passages?

Correct. The ones that i compared before were from one of the minor prophets and from one of the books of kings.

Today, however, i took a look at ezekiel 1, which is possibly the "best known" passage used by ufo believers to claim there are ufos in the Bible. I did find a few changes between KJV and kok, but nothing blatantly claiming a spaceship.

Some notable changes:
- changing "Cloud" for cloud in v4
- in vs10 the face of a man is identified as Reuben, face of a lion as Judah, face of an ox as Ephraim, and face of an eagle as Dan.
- substituting "I am" for the Lord in v28


4And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire. 5Also out of the midst thereof came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance; they had the likeness of a man. 6And every one had four faces, and every one had four wings. 7And their feet were straight feet; and the sole of their feet was like the sole of a calf's foot: and they sparkled like the colour of burnished brass. 8And they had the hands of a man under their wings on their four sides; and they four had their faces and their wings. 9Their wings were joined one to another; they turned not when they went; they went every one straight forward. 10As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle. 11Thus were their faces: and their wings were stretched upward; two wings of every one were joined one to another, and two covered their bodies. 12And they went every one straight forward: whither the spirit was to go, they went; and they turned not when they went. 13As for the likeness of the living creatures, their appearance was like burning coals of fire, and like the appearance of lamps: it went up and down among the living creatures; and the fire was bright, and out of the fire went forth lightning. 14And the living creatures ran and returned as the appearance of a flash of lightning.


15Now as I beheld the living creatures, behold one wheel upon the earth by the living creatures, with his four faces. 16The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel. 17When they went, they went upon their four sides: and they turned not when they went. 18As for their rings, they were so high that they were dreadful; and their rings were full of eyes round about them four. 19And when the living creatures went, the wheels went by them: and when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up. 20Whithersoever the spirit was to go, they went, thither was their spirit to go; and the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels. 21When those went, these went; and when those stood, these stood; and when those were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.


22And the likeness of the firmament upon the heads of the living creature was as the colour of the terrible crystal, stretched forth over their heads above. 23And under the firmament were their wings straight, the one toward the other: every one had two, which covered on this side, and every one had two, which covered on that side, their bodies. 24And when they went, I heard the noise of their wings, like the noise of great waters, as the voice of the Almighty, the voice of speech, as the noise of an host: when they stood, they let down their wings. 25And there was a voice from the firmament that was over their heads, when they stood, and had let down their wings.

26And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it. 27And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about. 28As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of one that spake.

 

[lightseeker]

@The Soujourner, I am adding this from the other thread because it is so important. https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/comparison-of-jahtruths-the-way-home-or-face-the-fire-to-the-bible.10878/

You just accidentally showed us ANOTHER DELIBERATE CHANGE that JAHtruth made to the bible. He completely omitted the woman caught in adultery story. He left out verses 3 - 11.

KOK 8:1 Jesus went unto the Mount of Olives.
8:2 And early in the morning he came again into The Temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.
8:3 Then spoke Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the Light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the Light of Life.

KJV
8:1 Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.
2 And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.
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3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

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12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.


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@The Soujourner, can you see how AJH left out a very important account showing Jesus' mercy towards sinners - including people caught in adultery (e.g. King Charles III IF he has truly repented and believes in Jesus now)?
Jesus forgives those who believe in Him even if they have broken God's commandments.

Anthony John Hill doesn't have the merciful heart of Jesus.

Astounding. It contradicts AJH false teaching that the only thing that matters is following the mosaic law, because they reject that Christ can grant mercy to whom he will.
"For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son also gives life to whom He wishes. For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given all judgment to the Son, so that all will honor the Son even as they honor the Father.”
This passage even breaks AJHs 12th commandment, do not judge, because all judgement has been given to the Jesus. And honoring the Son as they honor the Father certainly will send Freeman into a frenzy of a hundred or so copy and pasted texts when all I did is quote the verse as is.

 

[Maldarker]

I agree with you on all of us not to do it for A Freeman any more. He has such a hardened heart that only if God is incredibly merciful will he be saved.
Now I am doing my entries purely for potential converts who may be very undiscerning for whatever reason.
Effectively I am trying to immunise whoever is already into conspiracy theories on the web.

Please continue giving your thoughts on that ebook though, IF you feel led to do so of course.

Amen Amen!!! And of course will do! LOL

 

[The Sojourner]

@The Soujourner, I am adding this from the other thread because it is so important. https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/comparison-of-jahtruths-the-way-home-or-face-the-fire-to-the-bible.10878/

You just accidentally showed us ANOTHER DELIBERATE CHANGE that JAHtruth made to the bible. He completely omitted the woman caught in adultery story. He left out verses 3 - 11.

KOK 8:1 Jesus went unto the Mount of Olives.
8:2 And early in the morning he came again into The Temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.
8:3 Then spoke Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the Light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the Light of Life.

KJV
8:1 Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.
2 And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.
----
3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

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12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.


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@The Soujourner, can you see how AJH left out a very important account showing Jesus' mercy towards sinners - including people caught in adultery (e.g. King Charles III IF he has truly repented and believes in Jesus now)?
Jesus forgives those who believe in Him even if they have broken God's commandments.

Anthony John Hill doesn't have the merciful heart of Jesus.

Well, I explained that it was not accidental, and that I wanted to show you that it was not included in the King of kings' Bible, so it could then be discussed, which we did.

I'm glad you bring up mercy, as it leads to another very important question to ponder.

We know, that God is Merciful. The Bible both tells us so and we also know it from personal experience.
(Also in the Koran/Quran, we read that God is often referred to as The Most Gracious, The Most Merciful - these being some of His Names).

So which of these do you think would be the most merciful?
(You don't have to answer here if you don't wish to; but have you not ever also wondered about it along the lines of the options given below?)

A: Everyone on earth, including all the people who have ever lived since Adam and Eve, is only given ONE single chance to get it right with God and to go to heaven (because you only get to live ONCE EVER and there are NO second chances for you or anyone else). No excuses for people who have lived in a remote area and never even heard of Jesus, the Bible or the Quran. Tough luck if you were born on a remote Islands or lived in a Jungle or in some far off country. That's just too bad, because according to Christians you don't get the same chance as them or someone else who got to read or hear the Word of God and learn about God and His Mercy, and that He sent Christ into the world, and to learn all about what He did and said to the people, or even to choose what it is that you wish to believe. Touch luck! because you don't get any more opportunities or second chances, you only get one chance, because Paul (allegedly) made the point certain that you live only once, no If's And's or buts. It's bad luck matey, sorry. And because you didn't figure it all out on your own in your remote location, you will go into the Lake of Fire which burns for an Eternity!

B: God gives people MANY MANY chances and opportunities to get to know Him and to get themselves right with Him. He sends people back again and raises them up again, so that they can have new experiences, that are tailored to their own level of progress, and to be able to learn more about His Mercy, His Righteousness, and His Love. And this learning process continues on, for the predetermined time, here on Earth, until the Last Day comes and we all have to face The Judgment. So everyone gets treated fairly, lovingly, and Mercifully, which shows God's Mercy, Grace and His Great Love towards All of Mankind.

2 Peter
3:7 But the heavens and the Earth, which are now, by the same Word are kept in store, reserved unto Fire against the Day of Judgment and perdition of unGodly men.
3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with The Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering toward us, not wanting that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
3:10 But The Day of The Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the Earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Note also that Peter wrote that the Fire is coming here, to the Earth.
The Earth, is also where Satan dwells (Rev. 12:7-9) and:

Revelation
2:13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, [even] where Satan's seat [is]: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas [was] my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.

Doesn't Satan dwell in Hell??

Psalm 139

139:1 <To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.> O "I AM", Thou hast searched me, and known [me].
139:2 Thou knowest my downsitting and mine uprising, Thou understandest my thought afar off.
139:3 Thou compassest my path and my lying down, and art acquainted [with] all my ways.
139:4 For [there is] not a word in my tongue, [but], lo, O "I AM", Thou knowest it altogether.
139:5 Thou hast beset me behind and before, and laid Thine hand upon me.
139:6 [Such] Knowledge [is] too wonderful for me; it is high, I cannot [attain] unto it.
139:7 Where shall I go from thy spirit? Or where shall I flee from Thy presence?
139:8 If I ascend up into heaven, Thou [art] there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, Thou [art there].