why Christians reject Roman Catholic church

[Lizard King]

A lot of churches are actually fronting for Satan. The Presbyterian church on the corner by me is always promoting Black Lies Matter and LGQBS and other liberal crap. We must face the facts that most churches are grifters running crooked businesses that should be required to pay taxes.

 

[Lyfe]

You have to take scripture in context. God gave some teachers, some apostles, some prophets, some pastors and etc for the building up of the church(the body of Christ). Why even institute and mention these positions if they are given no platform to edify the body of Christ? It's only logical to conclude the early disciples and new converts came together and were taught. How else would they learn? Where do you think they learned if not some type of assembly? I don't see how anyone can deny this. In fact in Titus and Timothy there are specific instructions on instituting leadership roles and who would qualify for such. There's no point in establishing leadership if there is no base to Shepherd and tend to.

The disciples were always together and there was always an established leadership within each assembly.

 

[A Freeman]

Well, he's certainly a legend in your own mind. Actually, Buddha is returning as Maitreya. Krishna's returning, too.

"For the protection of the good, for the destruction of the wicked and for the establishment of righteousness, I am born in every age." -- Krishna

They're all coming back because they're all the same consciousness.

Krisna is a direct cognate for Christ, and "Buddha" means "The Enlightened One", i.e. Christ (The Light of the world).

That alone should direct the true seekers to the Bible, which is the Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth.

No one will be allowed to leave Earth before they are enough like Christ to be released back into the Universe.

 

[Alanantic]

Honestly it goes back to this. Is "the truth" relative and something we can determine for ourselves or is it absolute? You clearly believe what your saying is the truth(otherwise you wouldn't say the things you do) which actually contradicts your relativity based outlook.

I believe much of what your saying is false. Now is that the truth or not?

What your saying cannot matter in a world where everyone dictates their own truth.

From what I get from what I've read or experienced, The only thing that's real or Truth is that One Thing all religions talk about. You may call it God, the Buddha-field, the Tao, etc. Think of the Universe as the dream of God. We're dream characters. Our sense of "I" is our direct connection to the Dreamer or higher Self. We have the potential to wake up and become lucid dreamers in the dream of life.

 

[Lizard King]

When I was a child I was forced to attend a Baptist Church for a while and was given a quarter to put in the collection basket but when they passed it to me I feigned I was broke and after church went out and bought baseball cards and candy. In those days a quarter actually bought something and could buy a couple packs of baseball cards and a decent amount of candy.

 

[Alanantic]

When I was a child I was forced to attend a Baptist Church for a while and was given a quarter to put in the collection basket but when they passed it to me I feigned I was broke and after church went out and bought baseball cards and candy. In those days a quarter actually bought something and could buy a couple packs of baseball cards and a decent amount of candy.

I bet some adults went out and bought new cars. Ha!

 

[Lyfe]

From what I get from what I've read or experienced, The only thing that's real or Truth is that One Thing all religions talk about. You may call it God, the Buddha-field, the Tao, etc. Think of the Universe as the dream of God. We're dream characters. Our sense of "I" is our direct connection to the Dreamer or higher Self. We have the potential to wake up and become lucid dreamers in the dream of life.

I can't speak for all religions, but Judaism and Christianity don't teach anything you just said. If Islam recognizes the old testament prophets as having come from God then Islam wouldn't agree with what your saying either.

What religions teach what you just said?

 

[Alanantic]

I can't speak for all religions, but Judaism and Christianity don't teach anything you just said. If Islam recognizes the old testament prophets as having come from God then Islam wouldn't agree with what your saying either.

What religions teach what you just said?

When I was 4 years old, I was walking down the street and I found myself, saying out loud, "I'm really here! I'm really HERE!!" Why I thought that was so profound, I don't know. But, suddenly I experienced Life as a Dream, a Lucid Dream, and I was the Dreamer. It was like I went from being an actor on a stage lost in the part, to being in the audience. I thought about telling my parents but I knew it would be a waste of time. They thought Life was REAL.

"Do not pay undue attention to the passing scenes of life. You are the immortal self (consciousness) living only temporarily in a dream that is sometimes (imagined) to be a nightmare. That is the higher philosophy (and truth) of the mystics." -- Yogananda

"Go East, young man" Also, I might add, "western" religions only have one side of the story. Add the other, and life adds a whole new dimension.

 

[JoChris]

I was done with church on a weekly basis many years ago.

Everything has changed for me spiritually since then.

I still don’t believe many lies that I heard in all denominations growing up.

Here is mainstream Christianity.

“I’m the Gay Pastor of the Gay Church”

Joy MCC is part of the Metropolitan Community Churches across America, congregations that actively promote acceptance and understanding around issues of sexuality, gender, and race, to name a few key initiatives.

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For example, so many denominations push these fake holidays that are not biblical. Then there is a lot of idolatry in modern Christianity. There are sodomite churches and sodomite friendly Bibles.



When I feel the need to, I go every once in awhile.

I don’t need people who don’t believe in the Bible to help me with my walk. I need God.

These church people are more offended by poor people than they are with sin. They turn away people.

The church is Christians.

I get what you mean. What you describe is more like mainstream churchianity. Over the years many so-called churches left Christ and made a "Christ" of their own making.
Any church that becomes LGBT+ affirming should be rejected by all Christians.

 

[JoChris]

A lot of churches are actually fronting for Satan. The Presbyterian church on the corner by me is always promoting Black Lies Matter and LGQBS and other liberal crap. We must face the facts that most churches are grifters running crooked businesses that should be required to pay taxes.

I will expand on what my church is like. It is always going to be a small one because of this !

I consider myself a conservative Baptist. I go to a fundamentalist IFB because it is the only Baptist church in the local area. Until I came here I had never heard of a church making unrepentant sinners leave the congregation. It has only happened to several individuals in my 10 years here.

Here is an explanation of why this drastic measure occasionally should be taken : https://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/church-discipline-how-the-church-should-discipline-members/

A church doing that is nearly unthinkable these days. In the most recent incident the Pastor was very sad about it - he is a very kind easy going soul. He and the elders did his very best to make the couple see why what the pattern of what they said was so divisive. It sounds minor, but their know-it-all attitude, half-truths and snide remarks was enough to discourage members of the church.

There was a spiritual sense of relief when they went. Pruning of dead wood really has a positive effect overall.

 

[ToxicFemininitySucks]

Meeting on the first day of the week (Sunday) does not mean the Sabbath changed. Christians can meet and gather on any day of the week but the Sabbath is still the Sabbath and the apostles including Paul still observed it as should we all.

I didnt mean to imply that i believe the Sabbath changed (and im also not disputing what you posted previously about the catholics basing it on sun-day worship of the sun). I was just pointing out that the Bible shows example that the apostolic times Christians gathered on Sunday.

It was not a communion service where also the words "breaking bread" are used. Its context that shows us that it could not have been a communion service. The reason for this gathering on the first day of the week (Sunday) was not to celebrate communion or to have a worship service

Verses 7 and 9 mention that Paul was "preaching".

7And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight. 8And there were many lights in the upper chamber, where they were gathered together. 9And there sat in a window a certain young man named Eutychus, being fallen into a deep sleep: and as Paul was long preaching, he sunk down with sleep, and fell down from the third loft, and was taken up dead.

And, no disrespect meant, but I will stick to what the King James Bible says, but would prefer to not hijack the thread with discussion about that.

But neither Christ nor the apostles have commanded that the communion service/Lord's Supper should be held on any particular day of the week

Correct, that is not explicitly commanded.

The apostles in the early church not only obeyed and observed God’s Sabbath command, but they also taught the converted Gentiles to worship on Sabbath.

Yes, the apostles (who were converted Jews) observed the Sabbath, but asideaside from them reaching new people (including Jews) on the Sabbath, im still looking for a mention of gentile converts observing the sabbath.

Christians who go to church on Sunday think that somehow this means the Sabbath changed.

As i mentioned in another post, we currently do not go to church, so i don't have a personal stake in this matter. And i don't claim that the Sabbath has changed, just that there is precedent in the Bible for believer gathering, sharing a meal, and listening to preaching on Sunday.

And for what it's worth, most Christians, regardless of denomination, do not do much "observing of the Sabbath" on either day. If theyre scheduled to work they still work, do manual labor around the house and yard, etc.

 

[ToxicFemininitySucks]

Was there ever an "early church"? The Greek word that has been wrongly translated as "church" in most English translations is ekklēsias/ekklēsian, which means "community" (the people in a given area), NOT church (a building made by humans - see Acts 7:48, 24:17).

By "early church" i did mean the community of believers, not a church building. The early believers met in a believers house as the Bible tells us.

Is there any mention of them worshiping in a church on Sunday? No. The disciples meeting for a meal on the first day of the week is in no way indicating that they met in a church nor that they met to worship, nor that they were changing the Sabbath Day. It specifically states they met to break bread (have a meal) together and to talk.

They did not meet in a church building. But the passage i quoted earlier from Acts 20 mentions that there was "preaching" involved.

There is no mention anywhere in Scripture for people to gather together to worship in a building on the seventh day of the week (the Sabbath day/Saturday) nor on the first day of the week (Sun-day).

What would you make of Hebrews 10:25 about not forsaking the assembly? Are you saying it doesn't have to be in a church building as opposed to anywhere 2 or 3 are gathered in his name? Or that the day of the gathering is not specified as a command?

The Sabbath day was made for man to be a rest from the world, to be spent with God.

In practical terms, what does this mean to you today?

 

[free2018]

By "early church" i did mean the community of believers, not a church building. The early believers met in a believers house as the Bible tells us.

They did not meet in a church building. But the passage i quoted earlier from Acts 20 mentions that there was "preaching" involved.


What would you make of Hebrews 10:25 about not forsaking the assembly? Are you saying it doesn't have to be in a church building as opposed to anywhere 2 or 3 are gathered in his name? Or that the day of the gathering is not specified as a command?


In practical terms, what does this mean to you today?

We should not be working on Saturdays, beginning Friday night at sundown.

 

[ToxicFemininitySucks]

I go to a fundamentalist IFB because it is the only Baptist church in the local area. Until I came here I had never heard of a church making unrepentant sinners leave the congregation. It has only happened to several individuals in my 10 years here.

Here is an explanation of why this drastic measure occasionally should be taken : https://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/church-discipline-how-the-church-should-discipline-members/

A church doing that is nearly unthinkable these days. In the most recent incident the Pastor was very sad about it - he is a very kind easy going soul. He and the elders did his very best to make the couple see why what the pattern of what they said was so divisive. It sounds minor, but their know-it-all attitude, half-truths and snide remarks was enough to discourage members of the church.

I apologize in advance if this is going off topic.

Could you elaborate more on this? All the churches my family attended (also independent Baptist) claimed they do church discipline, but what was meant by "unrepentant sin" was vague and, quite honestly, seemed like an excuse to pick on people who did not fit a certain "image" or who questioned certain things.

What were they saying that was "divisive"?

 

[ToxicFemininitySucks]

We should not be working on Saturdays, beginning Friday night at sundown.

Meaning earning money, or performing physical labor, or both?

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Well, he's certainly a legend in your own mind.

For a “legend” He certainly left quite an imprint on History!

 

[Alanantic]

For a “legend” He certainly left quite an imprint on History!

So have many great men. That does not make him special.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

So have many great men. That does not make him special.

There are indeed many great men who have lived, loved, struggled, thought, wrote and died.

Jesus died and His disciples went back to their day jobs in sadness.

Something happened to change them.

 

[JoChris]

I apologize in advance if this is going off topic.

Could you elaborate more on this? All the churches my family attended (also independent Baptist) claimed they do church discipline, but what was meant by "unrepentant sin" was vague and, quite honestly, seemed like an excuse to pick on people who did not fit a certain "image" or who questioned certain things.

What were they saying that was "divisive"?

It was a worsening pattern over the years in quite a few areas. On the surface there was not an obvious sin like adultery that would have had made the church's decision easier.

Sometimes people just have prickly personalities (I approached them like that until towards the end).
For the general picture, think Ned Flanders with a very disagreeable personality and then lying by omission when confronted.

They were armchair critics of how things are run but they didn't want to actively help out at the church.

The husband thought because he had more formal secular qualifications that meant he knew more than the pastor about everything, including doctrine.

They were very judgemental of church members who did not get actively involved in local politics. They were an older couple with no kids at home any more. The wife really offended some women with her snobbishness.

I recognised from the outset that they were "fake nice" personalities. Some people just care too much about what other people think and it shows. I only shared personal information in general chit-chat with the wife I am happy to share with just about anyone. Other women must not have had that detector and so the wife deeply hurt several women who had troubles with children for various reasons.

It all added up to the point it was causing division and a hesitancy to be open with each other in case of what the couple might say/ do next.

 

[phipps]

@ToxicFemininitySucks

I didnt mean to imply that i believe the Sabbath changed (and im also not disputing what you posted previously about the catholics basing it on sun-day worship of the sun). I was just pointing out that the Bible shows example that the apostolic times Christians gathered on Sunday.

Oh, okay.

Verses 7 and 9 mention that Paul was "preaching".

7And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight. 8And there were many lights in the upper chamber, where they were gathered together. 9And there sat in a window a certain young man named Eutychus, being fallen into a deep sleep: and as Paul was long preaching, he sunk down with sleep, and fell down from the third loft, and was taken up dead.

And, no disrespect meant, but I will stick to what the King James Bible says, but would prefer to not hijack the thread with discussion about that.

I think I'm not making myself clear because I'm not a good writer. I don't dispute the gathering, the having a meal together and Paul's preaching. All those things can and do happen on any day of the week. However God set the seventh day aside from the other six days as a holy day that His people spend with Him exclusively. We are to exclude all work and other cares of the world on the Sabbath and focus on God. That is why He said, "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy" (Exodus 20:8). God says we are "remember" and observe the seventh-day Sabbath as His holy day. It seems God knew that people would be prone to forget His Sabbath.

Yes, the apostles (who were converted Jews) observed the Sabbath, but asideaside from them reaching new people (including Jews) on the Sabbath, im still looking for a mention of gentile converts observing the sabbath.

The apostles who were Jews who had always observed the Sabbath. When they took the gospel to the Gentiles, they taught them about keeping the Sabbath according to God's ten commandment law as Christ had taught them and shown them in action. “When the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath. … On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God” (Acts 13:42, 44). Obviously the converted Gentiles observed the Sabbath along with the Jews. While the early church had its problems there is no mention of contention over the Sabbath between Jews and Gentiles. This also goes hand in hand with what God said in the book of Isaiah, “Blessed is the man … who keeps from defiling the Sabbath. … Also the sons of the foreigner who join themselves to the Lord … everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath, and holds fast My covenant—even them I will bring to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My house of prayer … for My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations” (Isaiah 56:2, 6, 7).

I should mention that the Sabbath is not a Jewish institution. It was given to all mankind during the creation week, “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. … And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it” (Genesis 1:1; 2:2, 3). Adam and Eve were not Jewish. In fact Jesus said, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath” (Mark 2:27). Its also part of God's ten commandment law which was given to all mankind too.

As i mentioned in another post, we currently do not go to church, so i don't have a personal stake in this matter. And i don't claim that the Sabbath has changed, just that there is precedent in the Bible for believer gathering, sharing a meal, and listening to preaching on Sunday.

As I've posted above and my previous post, Christians can gather on any day of the week including Sunday and share a meal and listen to preaching but the Sabbath has always got to be observed. Whether we go to church or not, we still have to observe the Sabbath. Its part of the ten commandments and the book of James says, "Whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all” (James 2:10). The deliberate breaking of any one of the Ten Commandments is sin. Christians will gladly follow Christ’s example of Sabbath keeping.

Since we've already gone of topic, I feel I should post about about going to Church as well. As Christians we should go to Church and meet with other Christians (I mention the reasons why in this post on my thread "Does God have a Church?"). When God instituted the Sabbath in Eden, He made no mention of going to church on that day; He just set it aside for a holy purpose but He would expand on this later in the Bible. In the book of Exodus, God did give us more details about the specifics of that holy day in the Ten Commandments but there was still no instruction about gathering together for worship on that day. It just gives guidelines on what it means to keep the Sabbath day holy. However in the book of Leviticus we are told, “Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings” (Leviticus 23:3). The word "convocation” means a public meeting, assembly, or gathering. Here God gave more details about the Sabbath: In this case, it’s also to be a time for holy assemblies (i.e., worship services).

Plus Jesus always went to the synagogue/church on Sabbath:

Mark 1:21, "And they went into Capernaum; and straightway on the sabbath day he entered into the synagogue, and taught."

Mark 6:2, "And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach in the synagogue: and many hearing him were astonished, saying, From whence hath this man these things? and what wisdom is this which is given unto him, that even such mighty works are wrought by his hands?"

Luke 4:16, "And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read."

Luke 6:6, "And it came to pass also on another sabbath, that he entered into the synagogue and taught: and there was a man whose right hand was withered."

Over and over again, we see Jesus in the synagogue on the Sabbath. We’re even told that it was His custom to be there on that day. The disciples also followed in the example of Jesus as we can see clearly in the book of Acts. So should we all follow Christ's example and go to Church on the right Sabbath day.

And for what it's worth, most Christians, regardless of denomination, do not do much "observing of the Sabbath" on either day. If theyre scheduled to work they still work, do manual labor around the house and yard, etc.

True, most Christian denominations do not observe the Sabbath as God intended (for starters most observe the wrong day) in the Bible but there always have been and always will be Christians who observe the Sabbath day as God tells us to in His Word and law. They are a minority of course. In my life right now, most of the Christians I know observe the Sabbath. They make sure they are not scheduled to work on the Sabbath. They do all their house chores, prepare their clothes for church and cooking on Friday (preparation day). Then they invite in the Sabbath on Friday evening. The first part of day in the Bible is the evening. So Saturday starts on what we call Friday evening.