Who do Muslims really worship?

[TempestOfTempo]

Why do you keep writing books as if anyone had time to read them? No one here really cares what yahtruth thinks. I know i don't.

"No one here really cares what yahtruth thinks. I know i don't."
You can say that again lol

 

[A Freeman]

Im interested to read any contentuions or opinions on your posts here from those other than daze and his crew. I dont say you are correct, because I need to learn a lot more about this... but it would be helpful if those with more knowledge than myself were to enter into a respectful dialog regarding your posts. Muslims are supposed to investigate and ask questions regarding the faith of Islam, so interactions with daze and co. arent likely to be very productive... but there are people with enough knowledge of the subject to actual communicate regarding the matter and I hope some of their voices arrive instead of this devolving into another insult fest.

What's been personally shared wasn't posted for "daze and his crew", who seem to feel the need to drop an insult and a logical fallacy or two rather than actually consider the discussion topic and the truthful information presented.

The reason for responding is for others, who may genuinely be seeking the truth. Those precious few will actually be motivated by Father (God) to read and study what's been shared, and to have a respectful discussion if they so desire.

 

[TempestOfTempo]

What's been personally shared wasn't posted for "daze and his crew", who seem to feel the need to drop an insult and a logical fallacy or two rather than actually consider the discussion topic and the truthful information presented.

The reason for responding is for others, who may genuinely be seeking the truth. Those precious few will actually be motivated by Father (God) to read and study what's been shared, and to have a respectful discussion if they so desire.

As I stated, I dont contend that you or them are correct according to theological basis... it bears further investigation. But what is very clear is that at least you are providing a space to discuss this topic in a respectful fashion, which is the foundation for honest dialog. The crew of usual "Muslim" miscreants here is not interested in honest dialog. They are interested in confrontation and provocation at all costs.

 

[Mohammed_123]

Agreed.


Total nonsense (i.e. an outright lie). Abraham was never within a thousand clicks of Mecca, nor did he EVER build a physical house during his entire life, much less a pagan temple, which is exactly what the "Kaaba" in Mecca always has been and still is today.

Irrefutable proof that Abraham was NEVER in Mecca:-

https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/the-top-10-myths-that-dominate-islam.8814/


Clearly, the exact opposite is true. The foundation of the "House" that Abraham and ISAAC RAISED was the "House of Israel", aka the Children of Jacob/Israel. Abraham raised Isaac, and Isaac raised Jacob (later renamed Israel by God).

That's why there are over 40 references to the Children of Israel (aka the "House of Israel") in the Koran/Quran:

Suras 2:40, 2:47, 2:83, 2:122, 2:132, 2:211, 2:246, 3:49, 3:84, 3:93, 4:163, 5:13, 5:35, 5:73, 5:81, 5:113, 7:105, 7:134, 7:137, 10:90, 10:93, 17:4, 17:101, 17:104, 19:58, 20:47, 20:80, 20:94, 26:17, 26:22, 26:60, 26:197, 27:76, 32:23, 40:53, 43:59, 44:30, 45:16, 46:10, 61:6, 61:14

And ZERO (0) references to the "children of Ishmael" in the Koran/Quran.

That's how utterly ridiculous the entire Abraham-Ishmael-in-Mecca fable really is.


Who cares what color it was or is, or even what shape it is. Unlike Solomon's Temple, for which God Himself provided the exact dimensions, there are no instructions whatsoever for the alleged Kaaba to be found anywhere in the Old Covenant, New Covenant or the Koran/Quran. In fact, after the Second Temple (Herod's) was destroyed, God prohibited the building of ANY more synagogues, churches, temples, mosques, etc.

Acts 7:48-51
7:48 Howbeit the Most High dwelleth NOT in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,
7:49 Heaven [is] My throne, and Earth [is] My footstool: what house will ye build Me? saith the Lord: or what [is] the place of My rest?
7:50 Hath not My hand made all these things?
7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Spirit: as your fathers [did], so [do] ye.

Sura 9:107-111
9:107. And there are those who put up mosques (churches; synagogues; etc.), by way of mischief and BETRAYAL - to disunite the Believers - and in preparation for one who warred against "I AM" (Revelation 12:7) and His Messenger aforetime. They will indeed swear that their intention is nothing but good; but "I AM" doth declare that they are certainly LIARS.
9:108. NEVER stand thou forth therein. There is an Holy Place (Mt. Moriah) whose foundation was laid from the first day on piety; it is more worthy of the standing forth (for prayer) therein. In it are men who love to be purified; and "I AM" loveth those who make themselves pure.
9:109. Which then is best? - he that layeth his foundation on piety (a Rock - Matthew 7:24-27) to "I AM" and His Good Pleasure? - or he that layeth his foundation on an undermined sand-cliff ready to crumble to pieces? And it doth crumble to pieces with him, into The Fire of Hell. And "I AM" guideth not people that do wrong (if they are doing wrong Satan is guiding them).
9:110. The foundation of those who so build is never free from suspicion and shakiness in their hearts, until their hearts are cut to pieces. And "I AM" is All-Knowing, Wise.
9:111. "I AM" hath purchased from the Believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is The Garden (of Bliss): they fight in His Cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in Truth, through The Law (The Torah), The Gospel (New Testament/Covenant), and The Koran: and who is more faithful to His Covenant (in the Bible) than "I AM"? Then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded (to fulfill The Covenant of "I AM" written in the Bible): that is the achievement supreme.


And yet you're here defending a stupid box that God Himself said to NEVER set foot inside of, because He is NOT there. Do you really believe that God will overlook your sin/disobedience/shirk because "everyone else is doing it (2 billion "Muslims" and even more "Christians")"?

You do err, not knowing The Law/Criterion that God gave us (Sura 2:53).

Exodus 23:2 Thou shalt not follow a multitude to [do] evil; neither shalt thou speak in a cause to agree falsely with the majority and thereby pervert [judgment]:

Sura 2:53. And remember We gave Moses the Scripture and the Criterion (Between right and wrong [The Torah]): there was a chance for you to be guided aright.

whats your take on the satanic verses surah najm 53...

 

[A Freeman]

whats your take on the satanic verses surah najm 53...

The short answer is there's nothing satanic about those verses. If they're properly read, they serve as further confirmation that there are no goddesses, nor female angels, nor is there is any "queen of heaven", regardless of what the spiritually blind may claim to the contrary.

A more detailed answer for those interested...

The reason some people refer to the passage in Sura 53:19-22 as "the satanic verses", is because they wrongly believe Sura Najm is about Muhammad, and thus have made up an entire make-believe story about this, as "Islam" has done with many (if not most) of the stories within the Koran/Quran. The Koran was sent to CONFIRM previous Scripture (the Old Covenant and New Covenant), NOT to contradict it or supersede it, as it repeatedly and unequivocally states throughout the Koran.

When correctly understood, Sura 53 has absolutely nothing to do with Muhammad. The "Star" being referred to in the preceding verses (Sura 53:1-18) is confirmation of The Messiah/Christ during His Second Coming (Rev. 9:1, Sura 43:61).

Revelation 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a "Star" (beam/ Being of Light) fall from heaven unto the Earth: and to HIM was given the key of the Bottomless Pit.

Christ's Crown of Thorns was made from a Lote-tree, which should remove all doubt as to whom Sura 53:1-18 is referencing. There were obviously no Lote-trees growing in the desert wasteland anywhere near what would hundreds of years later be referred to as "Mecca".

What follows is the mention of 3 pagan goddesses, which again is a warning against the worship of such things, and thus confirmation of previous Scripture. These pagan goddesses are NOT "daughters of Allah" or "angels with female names" or any other of the made-up nonsense traditionally attributed to them by spiritually blind "Islamic scholars".

Sura 53:19-22
53:19. Have ye seen Lat. and 'Uzza,
53:20. And another, the third (goddess), Manat?
53:21. What! For you the male gender, and for Him, the female?
53:22. Behold, such would be indeed a division most unfair!

It should be self-evident that God (Allah, the "I AM") is NOT a man (human), nor the Son of Man (Num. 23:19), nor does He beget human children. God is a gender-less SPIRIT-BEING (John 4:24), as are all of the angels. The reason our Creator and the angels are designated with male attributes and male names is because the natural male role as protector and provider is a more accurate description and thus makes it easier for mankind to understand Them.

People have been making up gods and goddesses to worship for millennia, and the Babylonian mystery religion of Roman Catholicism had already been spreading their Mary worship and trinitarian nonsense for three centuries when God sent down the Koran/Quran via Gabriel to Muhammad to correct this errant behavior (which is condemned in the Bible). The Koran should have sparked the first reformation and destroyed Roman Catholicism, instead of being used to invent yet another evil organized religion.

Mary worship itself in Roman Catholicism was nothing new. It was merely a Babylonian custom passed down to the Romans, who were turning their "queen of heaven" into a worship of Mary, whom they blasphemously refer to as "the mother of God" to this day. The Romans are the direct descendants of the Babylonians (Sura 17:7) and the only race of people to ever destroy the ONLY Temple God ever sanctioned to be built on planet Earth by Solomon. Satan/Iblis has conned men into building all of the rest (churches, synagogues, mosques, etc.).

Proof of this Babylonian custom regarding godesses may be found in the following passage, written roughly 600 years before the birth of Jesus to the virgin Mary.

Jeremiah 44:17-25
44:17 But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for [then] had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil.
44:18 But since we left off to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, we have wanted all [things], and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine.
44:19 And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven, and poured out drink offerings unto her, did we make her wafers to worship her, and pour out drink offerings unto her, without our men?
44:20 Then Jeremiah said unto all the people, to the men, and to the women, and to all the people which had given him [that] answer, saying,
44:21 The incense that ye burned in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem, ye, and your fathers, your kings, and your princes, and the people of the land, did not the "I AM" remember them, and came it [not] into His mind?
44:22 So that the "I AM" could no longer bear, because of the evil of your doings, [and] because of the abominations which ye have committed; therefore is your land a desolation, and an astonishment, and a curse, without an inhabitant, as at this day.
44:23 Because ye have burned incense, and because ye have sinned against the "I AM", and have not obeyed the voice of the "I AM", nor walked in His Law, nor in His Statutes, nor in His Covenant; therefore this evil is happened unto you, as at this day.
44:24 Moreover Jeremiah said unto all the people, and to all the women, Hear the Word of the "I AM", all Judah that [are] in the land of Egypt:
44:25 Thus saith the "I AM" Lord of hosts, the God of Israel, saying; Ye and your wives have both spoken with your mouths, and fulfilled with your hand, saying, We will surely perform our vows that we have vowed, to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her: ye will surely accomplish your vows, and surely perform your vows.

Please compare the passage above with the following verses in Sura 53 confirming it:

Sura 53:23-24
53:23. These are nothing but names which ye have devised,- ye and your ancestors,- for which "I AM" has sent down no authority (whatever). They follow nothing but conjecture and what their own souls desire!- Even though there has already come to them Guidance from their Lord!
53:24. Nay, shall man have (just) anything he hankers after?

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Sura 53:27-28
53:27. Those who believe NOT in the Hereafter, name the angels with female names.
53:28. But they have NO knowledge therein. They follow nothing but conjecture; and conjecture avails nothing against Truth.

There are no goddesses, nor any queen in or of heaven, as ALL of God's Prophets and Apostles/Messengers have known, including Muhammad. And no Prophet or Apostle of God has ever taught others to bow to them. So the fabricated hadith and sirah driven fable about Muhammad allegedly bowing down to idols of godesses, to allegedly appease the non-existent tribe of "Quraysh" in the non-existent city of Mecca is total nonsense.

The key to correctly understanding the Koran/Quran has always resided within The Law and the Gospel that the Koran/Quran was sent to CONFIRM. That is why the Koran/Quran COMMANDS us to read, study, and put into practice The Law that Allah gave us (found only in the first five books of the Bible), by following The Example of Christ (found only in the Gospel), whom Allah sent.

 

[Maldarker]

What's been personally shared wasn't posted for "daze and his crew", who seem to feel the need to drop an insult and a logical fallacy or two rather than actually consider the discussion topic and the truthful information presented.

The reason for responding is for others, who may genuinely be seeking the truth. Those precious few will actually be motivated by Father (God) to read and study what's been shared, and to have a respectful discussion if they so desire.

Thank you

 

[Daze]

What's been personally shared wasn't posted for "daze and his crew", who seem to feel the need to drop an insult and a logical fallacy or two rather than actually consider the discussion topic and the truthful information presented.

The reason for responding is for others, who may genuinely be seeking the truth. Those precious few will actually be motivated by Father (God) to read and study what's been shared, and to have a respectful discussion if they so desire.

Truth? Like the Prophet Muhammad not ever being in Mecca? That's like saying Jesus was never in the middle east. Do you seriously not see what a joke you are?

Like i told Tempo in pm. The lion does not acknowledge the barking of dogs. Which is why i ignore your book like posts. Those who are genuinely seeking truth will find it, regardless of how much you hate it Freeman.

 

[A Freeman]

Truth? Like the Prophet Muhammad not ever being in Mecca? That's like saying Jesus was never in the middle east. Do you seriously not see what a joke you are?

Like i told Tempo in pm. The lion does not acknowledge the barking of dogs. Which is why i ignore your book like posts. Those who are genuinely seeking truth will find it, regardless of how much you hate it Freeman.

For everyone's benefit, it should be pointed out that you have AGAIN resorted to multiple logical fallacies and insults in just a short post, instead of putting your money where your mouth is (so to speak) and proving that Mecca actually existed during Muhammad's lifetime.

Logical fallacies included:

1) false analogy -- Jesus was obviously in the Middle East, as documented by over 120 separate sources and numerous, well-documented eye-witness accounts, both secular and non-secular), whereas there is no evidence outside the totally fabricated hadith to prove Mcca even existed during the lifetime of Muhammad.

2) burden of proof fallacy -- if you wish to make claims, then the burden of proof is on you to provide evidence of those claims

3) ad hominem -- people who have an inherently weak position, and nothing of value to share, attack the messenger

Of course several others could be included as well, including the incessant need to brag on your "self" to boost the fragile ego that you're supposed to be learning to destroy to be able to do God's Will (Sura 6:162, Sura 92:18)

For anyone genuinely interested in the original subject matter, please consider reading the very well-researched books below:

The Mecca Mystery. Probing the Black Hole at the Heart of Muslim History by Peter Townsend

Quranic Geography by Dan Gibson

Quraysh and the Roman army: Making sense of the Meccan leather trade by Patricia Crone

For those who prefer videos:

Islam: The Untold Story by Tom Holland (1 hr, 11 minutes)

Anyone who takes an HONEST look into this subject matter will quickly learn that the ONLY source for the information about Mecca and about Muhammad allegedly in Mecca is the "Islamic tradition" (i.e. the self-contradictory and totally untrustworthy hadith and sirah), which simply cannot survive even the most basic historical scrutiny.

 

[TempestOfTempo]

Truth? Like the Prophet Muhammad not ever being in Mecca? That's like saying Jesus was never in the middle east. Do you seriously not see what a joke you are?

Like i told Tempo in pm. The lion does not acknowledge the barking of dogs. Which is why i ignore your book like posts. Those who are genuinely seeking truth will find it, regardless of how much you hate it Freeman.

You posted that you blocked me (as you have done repeatedly) yet seem to hang on my every post. Blocked me, yet keep sending me PMs... PMs which you initate and I never asked for. And in those PMs you are rejoicing in your fictitious narrative that you are "living in my head rent free"... you keep typing long, engaged messages to me and sending them in private. So I had to tell you "no homo, leave me alone" but you openly promote the sex-trafficking, r*pe and murder of children so I guess a homo obsession aint beyond the pale for you.

 

[Daze]

For everyone's benefit, it should be pointed out that you have AGAIN resorted to multiple logical fallacies and insults in just a short post, instead of putting your money where your mouth is (so to speak) and proving that Mecca actually existed during Muhammad's lifetime.

Logical fallacies included:

1) false analogy -- Jesus was obviously in the Middle East, as documented by over 120 separate sources and numerous, well-documented eye-witness accounts, both secular and non-secular), whereas there is no evidence outside the totally fabricated hadith to prove Mcca even existed during the lifetime of Muhammad.

2) burden of proof fallacy -- if you wish to make claims, then the burden of proof is on you to provide evidence of those claims

3) ad hominem -- people who have an inherently weak position, and nothing of value to share, attack the messenger

Of course several others could be included as well, including the incessant need to brag on your "self" to boost the fragile ego that you're supposed to be learning to destroy to be able to do God's Will (Sura 6:162, Sura 92:18)

For anyone genuinely interested in the original subject matter, please consider reading the very well-researched books below:

The Mecca Mystery. Probing the Black Hole at the Heart of Muslim History by Peter Townsend

Quranic Geography by Dan Gibson

Quraysh and the Roman army: Making sense of the Meccan leather trade by Patricia Crone

For those who prefer videos:

Islam: The Untold Story by Tom Holland (1 hr, 11 minutes)

Anyone who takes an HONEST look into this subject matter will quickly learn that the ONLY source for the information about Mecca and about Muhammad allegedly in Mecca is the "Islamic tradition" (i.e. the self-contradictory and totally untrustworthy hadith and sirah), which simply cannot survive even the most basic historical scrutiny.

Once again a book like post the majority won't read. With an hour long video no less. Why do you bother Freeman? Haven't you been spanked enough on these boards? Billy was right, you're lost, astray. I mean even the Christians here reject that you are one of them.

Why do you quote the Quran when you obviously don't agree with all of it? Such as the Crucifixion of Jesus? You cherry pick verses that suit your situation thinking the Almighty is not aware of it. Why do you compound punishment upon yourself?

I've seen your ideas and you're just not worth my time. Have no fear, those who already hate Islam are right on board with you. Cheering you on as you spit into the wind.

End of the day one calls to God or diverts away from him. You'll find out in the grave which path you're on.

 

[Maldarker]

You posted that you blocked me (as you have done repeatedly) yet seem to hang on my every post. Blocked me, yet keep sending me PMs... PMs which you initate and I never asked for. And in those PMs you are rejoicing in your fictitious narrative that you are "living in my head rent free"... you keep typing long, engaged messages to me and sending them in private. So I had to tell you "no homo, leave me alone" but you openly promote the sex-trafficking, r*pe and murder of children so I guess a homo obsession aint beyond the pale for you.

He got that from me LOL As you see with his PM's to me below.

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Laughing at my post in the Islamic video thread is petty, even for you. Isn't it?

All the same thanks. Nice to know you read the Islamic content on here. Personally i never read the Bible thread, but its interesting to see who reads threads that are strictly Islamic content. Like the soul is looking for truth. Isn't it?

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I read all content. So you don't read the bible threads would explain why when you coment on them you don't have a clue. Really does explain alot. Thanks now i know where your BS comes from and how accurate it is being zero. My soul tells me to call out BS when i see it. Your as fake as your "religion" is.I laughed even though i don't owe you an explaination is because you i find you funny what you posted was funny obviously it bothered you even though you don't know if i found it funny good or funny bad. I am in your head renting a big space. LOL

 

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He got that from me LOL As you see with his PM's to me below.

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Laughing at my post in the Islamic video thread is petty, even for you. Isn't it?

All the same thanks. Nice to know you read the Islamic content on here. Personally i never read the Bible thread, but its interesting to see who reads threads that are strictly Islamic content. Like the soul is looking for truth. Isn't it?

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I read all content. So you don't read the bible threads would explain why when you coment on them you don't have a clue. Really does explain alot. Thanks now i know where your BS comes from and how accurate it is being zero. My soul tells me to call out BS when i see it. Your as fake as your "religion" is.I laughed even though i don't owe you an explaination is because you i find you funny what you posted was funny obviously it bothered you even though you don't know if i found it funny good or funny bad. I am in your head renting a big space. LOL

I still think your petty, infact this post is yet more proof.

So why don't you post more? Thats a long thread. If you want to make public what was intended as private why do u stop there?

Stay classy Mal. I hope everyone who pm's you takes note that nothing can be private with you.

 

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He got that from me LOL As you see with his PM's to me below.

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I read all content. So you don't read the bible threads would explain why when you coment on them you don't have a clue. Really does explain alot. Thanks now i know where your BS comes from and how accurate it is being zero. My soul tells me to call out BS when i see it. Your as fake as your "religion" is.I laughed even though i don't owe you an explaination is because you i find you funny what you posted was funny obviously it bothered you even though you don't know if i found it funny good or funny bad. I am in your head renting a big space. LOL

This desperate dingbat is STILL PMing me! I guess once he realized he has been exposed as a child-predator, his desperation went into overload lol

 

[Maldarker]

@Daze Thats because nothing to hid....And ok if you would like you can like said nothing to hid. In fact here it is:

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I read all content. So you don't read the bible threads would explain why when you coment on them you don't have a clue. Really does explain alot. Thanks now i know where your BS comes from and how accurate it is being zero. My soul tells me to call out BS when i see it. Your as fake as your "religion" is.I laughed even though i don't owe you an explaination is because you i find you funny what you posted was funny obviously it bothered you even though you don't know if i found it funny good or funny bad. I am in your head renting a big space. LOL

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So friendly!

Guess you forgot i didn't convert to Islam till around Dec. 2010. Yet i was born in 79 to two Christain parents in a small town that was 100% Christian. But it doesn't matter if you believe me or not. I mean what would it change?

Maybe one day God will show you the truth as he did for me .

Like I've said before, come judgment day you'll see i always spoke the truth.

Peace.

Btw. If you were in my head I'd simply ignore you. . So easy to remove trolls here, but i don't think you are one.

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Why be friendly? You attack all time when commenting just not going to let you get away with being a bully anymore plan and simple don't like oh well. I don't care if you where a christian supposedly for 50 years. you rejected CHRIST & the way GOD wanted things to be done... So not going to matter what i say to you either. Since i was 4 yrs old i knew the truth. Just was to stubborn to want to submit to the way GOD wants it done. BTW your you will see i spoke the truth at judgement well you won't get to speak your the one referenced in the LORD LORD did i not that you like to throw at believers.

You will see at judgement that I speak the truth of the Gospel of CHRIST no more no less.

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A bully? You seen i was arguing with Tempo for several days. Then you come in and laugh at my post when I'm already aggravated? Seriously, what do you expect?

I pointed out my Christian history because you mentioned the Bible thread. I had 30 years with the Bible. Why do i need to read it now to understand it? I am no longer Christian. Sides, you know me, if i did post there I'd quote verses most here don't like. Such as pork being forbidden in 32 separate verses no less, any of the 90 that deny Jesus's divinity. Ect, ect.

While they maybe hateful to many here it is the Bible. Also some people here would actually agree with some of it. Such at Phips and pork or David and any Unitarian verse.

I didn't reject Christ, i actually have him. As a Muslim i await his return just like you. The difference is i know the PROPHET Jesus is not God. But when a man shows up, (ie the anti-christ) and does claim to be a prophet, and then god... well good luck to you. Because you already believe this is possible.

Things are lost in text because I've never tried to "bully" you. I've tried to call you to the truth by pointing out the obvious. But some people won't find it until judgement day so what can i do? Indeed it is God who guides. Had he willed we'd all be upon the religion of Adam.

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A bully? You seen i was arguing with Tempo for several days. Then you come in and laugh at my post when I'm already aggravated? Seriously, what do you expect?

I pointed out my Christian history because you mentioned the Bible thread. I had 30 years with the Bible. Why do i need to read it now to understand it? I am no longer Christian. Sides, you know me, if i did post there I'd quote verses most here don't like. Such as pork being forbidden in 32 separate verses no less, any of the 90 that deny Jesus's divinity. Ect, ect.

While they maybe hateful to many here it is the Bible. Also some people here would actually agree with some of it. Such at Phips and pork or David and any Unitarian verse.

I didn't reject Christ, i actually have him. As a Muslim i await his return just like you. The difference is i know the PROPHET Jesus is not God. But when a man shows up, (ie the anti-christ) and does claim to be a prophet, and then god... well good luck to you. Because you already believe this is possible.

Things are lost in text because I've never tried to "bully" you. I've tried to call you to the truth by pointing out the obvious. But some people won't find it until judgement day so what can i do? Indeed it is God who guides. Had he willed we'd all be upon the religion of Adam.
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Unfortunately you don't know CHRIST you are decieved. You don't understand reason for CHRIST on the cross reason for death resurrection its all in genesis btw. Also you do understand legal case law etc right? Thats what its all about.

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No, what this is about is an eternal hereafter. One where we will find eternal bliss or eternal torment. While you worship one who literally says he is a man, the father is greater then him, who says by himself he can do nothing, who is literally depicted worshiping another. The one who everyone around him calls Prophet. The one who literally Cried TO God to save him.

I can go on but with all the beatings there is nothing left of this proverbial horse. As i said, God guides whom he wills.

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No, what this is about is an eternal hereafter. One where we will find eternal bliss or eternal torment. While you worship one who literally says he is a man, the father is greater then him, who says by himself he can do nothing, who is literally depicted worshiping another. The one who everyone around him calls Prophet. The one who literally Cried TO God to save him.

I can go on but with all the beatings there is nothing left of this proverbial horse. As i said, God guides whom he wills.

Like i said you don't understand why GOD did it the way HE did its about dominion & legal precedent the eternal comes now that that was resolved through CHRIST. Don't worry you think your decision is the right one then go with it. Freewill and all. See i have no doubt doesn't really matter what you say to me & CHRIST warned about the likes of you.

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This back and forth is pointless.

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This back and forth is pointless.

No really! Took you awhile to figure that out. Read the posts again i even say such. Your under a delusion you renounced GOD & HIS plan thats on you i'm not here to appease your conscious. The scripture that you throw at all the christians actually applies to you. Read the whole chapter see the context just like i laid out before. The thing you throw at others is what is actually coming back on you.

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No really! Took you awhile to figure that out. Read the posts again i even say such. Your under a delusion you renounced GOD & HIS plan thats on you i'm not here to appease your conscious. The scripture that you throw at all the christians actually applies to you. Read the whole chapter see the context just like i laid out before. The thing you throw at others is what is actually coming back on you.

Mal,truth is i don't even bother to read what you say in public. Your last 2 posts where we had our back and forth. I didn't bother to read the last ones because i know this is never ending. You're not reading what i am saying, your not contemplating at all, you're questioning absolutely nothing. The truth is your beliefs contradict your book. Read that again!

YOUR BELIEFS CONTRADICT WHATS FOUND IN YOUR OWN BOOK!!

Yet you reflect on absolutely nothing. I might as well be talking to a wall. Yes, its absolute indoctrination with you, fingers into the ears and I'm talking to a rock.

I left your version of Jesus because there is not a prophet in the creation that is worthy of my worship.

Total waste of time, back and forth and we'd both benefit more if we just watched the grass grow, so what is the point?

The Truth awaits us both, of this there is no doubt.

"Warn those who say God has a son, they have no knowledge of this, all they do is lie" (18 : 4-5 Quran)

What you have is an altered Book Mal, one that also calls David and Solomon the son of God, as well as Israel. Interesting how its only literal for Jesus.

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Mal,truth is i don't even bother to read what you say in public. Your last 2 posts where we had our back and forth. I didn't bother to read the last ones because i know this is never ending. You're not reading what i am saying, your not contemplating at all, you're questioning absolutely nothing. The truth is your beliefs contradict your book. Read that again!

YOUR BELIEFS CONTRADICT WHATS FOUND IN YOUR OWN BOOK!!

Yet you reflect on absolutely nothing. I might as well be talking to a wall. Yes, its absolute indoctrination with you, fingers into the ears and I'm talking to a rock.

I left your version of Jesus because there is not a prophet in the creation that is worthy of my worship.

Total waste of time, back and forth and we'd both benefit more if we just watched the grass grow, so what is the point?

The Truth awaits us both, of this there is no doubt.

"Warn those who say God has a son, they have no knowledge of this, all they do is lie" (18 : 4-5 Quran)

What you have is an altered Book Mal, one that also calls David and Solomon the son of God, as well as Israel. Interesting how its only literal for Jesus.
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Boy for some who keeps saying they are done you got to keep going at it. I read the scriptures you post most if not all are out of context. You think you understand the bible then you should see GODs plan for redemeption. The problem is that don't fit your view of how it is suppose to go. You call me a trinny which i am not THere is only one GOD. Sorry but you rejected CHRIST not me its you who this verse fits. Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. You have denoucnced CHRIST its ok that free will and all i won't guess i would be one of the early martyrs.

Like i said i had an encounter with GOD as a child & HE kept his promise to me. Later in life i gave my life over to him when i came to the last of my rope that was hanging me. No one else was there to give me a hand but GOD did where where you? Where was your allah sure wasn't him it was CHRIST you came in my time sorrow & despair just like he came to david. If you had that & explained that you have worth you where worth the cost to save you then maybe you would understand. But i guess you don't need saving.

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Didn't say i was done. Said this is pointless, but we all hear what we want to. Don't we?

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Didn't say i was done. Said this is pointless, but we all hear what we want to. Don't we?

Actually ok not exact word of DONE but beating a dead horse or other analogies statements implied it.

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Didn't say i was done. Said this is pointless, but we all hear what we want to. Don't we?

Besides don't think you read what i had just posted explaining my position & why i believe what i do but ok bro.

 

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@Daze Thats because nothing to hid....And ok if you would like you can like said nothing to hid. In fact here it is:

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Laughing at my post in the Islamic video thread is petty, even for you. Isn't it?

All the same thanks. Nice to know you read the Islamic content on here. Personally i never read the Bible thread, but its interesting to see who reads threads that are strictly Islamic content. Like the soul is looking for truth. Isn't it?

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I read all content. So you don't read the bible threads would explain why when you coment on them you don't have a clue. Really does explain alot. Thanks now i know where your BS comes from and how accurate it is being zero. My soul tells me to call out BS when i see it. Your as fake as your "religion" is.I laughed even though i don't owe you an explaination is because you i find you funny what you posted was funny obviously it bothered you even though you don't know if i found it funny good or funny bad. I am in your head renting a big space. LOL

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So friendly!

Guess you forgot i didn't convert to Islam till around Dec. 2010. Yet i was born in 79 to two Christain parents in a small town that was 100% Christian. But it doesn't matter if you believe me or not. I mean what would it change?

Maybe one day God will show you the truth as he did for me .

Like I've said before, come judgment day you'll see i always spoke the truth.

Peace.

Btw. If you were in my head I'd simply ignore you. . So easy to remove trolls here, but i don't think you are one.

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Why be friendly? You attack all time when commenting just not going to let you get away with being a bully anymore plan and simple don't like oh well. I don't care if you where a christian supposedly for 50 years. you rejected CHRIST & the way GOD wanted things to be done... So not going to matter what i say to you either. Since i was 4 yrs old i knew the truth. Just was to stubborn to want to submit to the way GOD wants it done. BTW your you will see i spoke the truth at judgement well you won't get to speak your the one referenced in the LORD LORD did i not that you like to throw at believers.

You will see at judgement that I speak the truth of the Gospel of CHRIST no more no less.

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A bully? You seen i was arguing with Tempo for several days. Then you come in and laugh at my post when I'm already aggravated? Seriously, what do you expect?

I pointed out my Christian history because you mentioned the Bible thread. I had 30 years with the Bible. Why do i need to read it now to understand it? I am no longer Christian. Sides, you know me, if i did post there I'd quote verses most here don't like. Such as pork being forbidden in 32 separate verses no less, any of the 90 that deny Jesus's divinity. Ect, ect.

While they maybe hateful to many here it is the Bible. Also some people here would actually agree with some of it. Such at Phips and pork or David and any Unitarian verse.

I didn't reject Christ, i actually have him. As a Muslim i await his return just like you. The difference is i know the PROPHET Jesus is not God. But when a man shows up, (ie the anti-christ) and does claim to be a prophet, and then god... well good luck to you. Because you already believe this is possible.

Things are lost in text because I've never tried to "bully" you. I've tried to call you to the truth by pointing out the obvious. But some people won't find it until judgement day so what can i do? Indeed it is God who guides. Had he willed we'd all be upon the religion of Adam.

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Unfortunately you don't know CHRIST you are decieved. You don't understand reason for CHRIST on the cross reason for death resurrection its all in genesis btw. Also you do understand legal case law etc right? Thats what its all about.

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No, what this is about is an eternal hereafter. One where we will find eternal bliss or eternal torment. While you worship one who literally says he is a man, the father is greater then him, who says by himself he can do nothing, who is literally depicted worshiping another. The one who everyone around him calls Prophet. The one who literally Cried TO God to save him.

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Like i said you don't understand why GOD did it the way HE did its about dominion & legal precedent the eternal comes now that that was resolved through CHRIST. Don't worry you think your decision is the right one then go with it. Freewill and all. See i have no doubt doesn't really matter what you say to me & CHRIST warned about the likes of you.

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This back and forth is pointless.

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No really! Took you awhile to figure that out. Read the posts again i even say such. Your under a delusion you renounced GOD & HIS plan thats on you i'm not here to appease your conscious. The scripture that you throw at all the christians actually applies to you. Read the whole chapter see the context just like i laid out before. The thing you throw at others is what is actually coming back on you.

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Mal,truth is i don't even bother to read what you say in public. Your last 2 posts where we had our back and forth. I didn't bother to read the last ones because i know this is never ending. You're not reading what i am saying, your not contemplating at all, you're questioning absolutely nothing. The truth is your beliefs contradict your book. Read that again!

YOUR BELIEFS CONTRADICT WHATS FOUND IN YOUR OWN BOOK!!

Yet you reflect on absolutely nothing. I might as well be talking to a wall. Yes, its absolute indoctrination with you, fingers into the ears and I'm talking to a rock.

I left your version of Jesus because there is not a prophet in the creation that is worthy of my worship.

Total waste of time, back and forth and we'd both benefit more if we just watched the grass grow, so what is the point?

The Truth awaits us both, of this there is no doubt.

"Warn those who say God has a son, they have no knowledge of this, all they do is lie" (18 : 4-5 Quran)

What you have is an altered Book Mal, one that also calls David and Solomon the son of God, as well as Israel. Interesting how its only literal for Jesus.

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Boy for some who keeps saying they are done you got to keep going at it. I read the scriptures you post most if not all are out of context. You think you understand the bible then you should see GODs plan for redemeption. The problem is that don't fit your view of how it is suppose to go. You call me a trinny which i am not THere is only one GOD. Sorry but you rejected CHRIST not me its you who this verse fits. Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. You have denoucnced CHRIST its ok that free will and all i won't guess i would be one of the early martyrs.

Like i said i had an encounter with GOD as a child & HE kept his promise to me. Later in life i gave my life over to him when i came to the last of my rope that was hanging me. No one else was there to give me a hand but GOD did where where you? Where was your allah sure wasn't him it was CHRIST you came in my time sorrow & despair just like he came to david. If you had that & explained that you have worth you where worth the cost to save you then maybe you would understand. But i guess you don't need saving.

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Didn't say i was done. Said this is pointless, but we all hear what we want to. Don't we?

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Actually ok not exact word of DONE but beating a dead horse or other analogies statements implied it.

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Besides don't think you read what i had just posted explaining my position & why i believe what i do but ok bro.

Dude is asking me if I have been raped and all kinds of weird-ish in these PMs. Him and his crowd are a bunch of weirdos... but what else could I expect from those who openly promote the sex-trafficking, r*pe and murder of children and attempt to justify it with fraudulent and blasphemous theological interpretations? I think the more posters on this site become aware of who daze, desert rose and etc. really are, the more desperatate and provocative they will become.

 

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Its like you think its a good thing to take something private and make it public?

I have nothing to hide, let everyone here comb over what you have posted. The problem is its a severe violation of trust, a literal modern day Judas.

As i said, i hope others here take note when they pm you.

 

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@Maldarker

Its like you think its a good thing to take something private and make it public?

I have nothing to hide, let everyone here comb over what you have posted. The problem is its a severe violation of trust, a literal modern day Judas.

As i said, i hope others here take note when they pm you.

Yes i do....and i don't care if others pm me or not i have nothing zilch zero to hid people know my stance already....I don't care for bully types like you. Besides you said why not post more. So i did. So whats the problem? You said why not shouldn't have done that then i guess if you didn't what it all posted. Like i will say again nothing to hid. No one can have an actual honest debate with you cuz bible bad bible wrong etc so yeah nothing to hid i'm here to show what you are did choose this but well...

 

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Yes i do....and i don't care if others pm me or not i have nothing zilch zero to hid people know my stance already....I don't care for bully types like you. Besides you said why not post more. So i did. So whats the problem? You said why not shouldn't have done that then i guess if you didn't what it all posted. Like i will say again nothing to hid. No one can have an actual honest debate with you cuz bible bad bible wrong etc so yeah nothing to hid i'm here to show what you are did choose this but well...

You have really show everyone exactly who you are. and what was the cost? To please people like Tempo who literally attacks every Muslim here?

You are the perfect example of man worship. No morals, no ethics.

Now go ahead and share that pm i just sent you, because this is who you are. Good luck taking the moral road now Judas.

 

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You have really show everyone exactly who you are. and what was the cost? To please people like Tempo who literally attacks every Muslim here?

You are the perfect example of man worship. No morals, no ethics.

Now go ahead and share that pm i just sent you, because this is who you are. Good luck taking the moral road now Judas.

"To please people like Tempo who literally attacks every Muslim here?"
Posts the dude here who refuses to go to the thread which exposes a Muslilm genocide propaganda nework... partially because I started the thread and partially because he still wants in with the Blumenthal crowd smh...

 

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does anyone bother to look at the 3 pillars which are meant to be the devil, which muslims throw stones at during the hajj pilgramage.

Replacement of the pillars[edit]
Until 2004, the three jamarāt (singular: jamrah) were tall pillars. After the 2004 Hajj, Saudi authorities replaced the pillars with 26-metre-long (85 ft) walls for safety; many people were accidentally throwing pebbles at people on the other side. To allow easier access to the jamarāt, a single-tiered pedestrian bridge called the Jamaraat Bridge was built around them, allowing pilgrims to throw stones from either ground level or from the bridge.
The jamarāt are named (starting from the east):[5]

• the first jamrah (al-jamrah al-'ūlā), or the smallest jamrah (الجمرة الصغرى al-jamrah aṣ-ṣughrā),
• the middle jamrah (الجمرة الوسطى al-jamrah al-wusṭā),
• the largest jamrah (الجمرة الكبرى al-jamrah al-kubrā), or Jamrah of Aqaba (جمرة العقبة jamrat al-ʿaqaba).

Before 2004, the distance between the small and middle jamarāt was 135 m (443 ft); between the middle and large jamarāt it was 225 m (738 ft).

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