Thread dedicated to the Holy Virgin Mary, Mother of God, Queen of Heaven.

[SnowFall]

No, you don't know as i gave no examples of "bad Christians". If you want to give examples of bad Muslims then do so. We both know there are more then a few out there.

The rock and glass house parable.. "don't throw rocks when you live in a glass house".. is alot like you attacking Islams prophet for having a young bride while your own Mary and Joseph is the exact same example.

In fact its a perfect example so its ironic how you try to reverse it.


As a Muslim i ask from none but God. None to intercede here. Its a direct connection. Why would i ask anything from Mary? What do you think the first commandment, "No gods but Me" means?

Is Mary alive? Can she hear and respond to you? How can the dead benefit you?

"Mother of god" is incredibly blasphemous.

actually the situation between Joseph and Mary is very different than the situation between Mohammad and the nine year old (I forget her name.)

namely
1. Jews waited until the girl had her period (which they believed meant she was a woman) and Mohammad consummated the marriage when the child was nine (meaning it’s very unlikely she had her period

2. Joseph and Mary never consummated the marriage, she was a Virgin through her whole life.

this is what I explained to your brethren.

the first commandment rightfully means worship no other Gods than the one true God YHWH, which is exactly what Catholics do.
once again we don’t worship Mary, we venerate her.

no one, Muslims or otherwise can get to the Father except through the Son, that’s it.

we ask Intercession from Mary because she is the Mother of Christ and she is our adopted mother. She leads all Catholics to Christ. We ask intercession from her because as a father once put it “Christ won’t turn down any request that comes from his Holy Mother”.

humans aren’t worthy to ask anything from God/Christ and so we humbly ask his mother to intercede for us.

yes Mary is Alive, she was assumed into heaven and has appeared many times on earth and spoken to Catholics. The events of Fatima for example.

Mary is the mother of Christ, so that makes her the Mother of God.

 

[Tidal]

Did God or Jesus say you can pray to Mary?

I don’t believe he did but the church fathers did and there’s a prayer to Mary going back to the early church.
there’s even a prayer to Joseph that goes back 2000 years

What if the church fathers were satanic and wanted people to pray to Mary and Joseph instead of to God, so that their prayers were wasted?

 

[SnowFall]

What if the church fathers were satanic and wanted people to pray to Mary and Joseph instead of to God, so that their prayers were wasted?

I think the Marian Apparitions disprove that!

 

[Tidal]

What if the church fathers were satanic and wanted people to pray to Mary and Joseph instead of to God, so that their prayers were wasted?

I think the Marian Apparitions disprove that!

I looked that up in Wiki- "a reported supernatural appearance by Mary, the mother of Jesus, or a series of related such appearances over a period of time."

But what if it was an apparition sent by Satan to fool people into praying to it instead of to God?
The fact is that Mary is a dead human, so isn't talking/praying to her a violation of the Bible instruction to avoid talking to dead people?
"..should not a people inquire of their God? Why consult the dead on behalf of the living?" (Isaiah 8:19)

 

[TrollingTroubles]

He didn’t say it wasn’t!
Here’s an article on why it’s okay to pray to Mary: [/URL]

Catholics don’t worship Mary we venerate her.

If you pray to her, you’re worshipping her.

Lol

 

[Tidal]

The Catholic Church venerates Mary, but oddly enough doesn't seem to want women priests-

 

[Maldarker]

Yes thats how you pray to God!
And you can pray to the Holy Virgin for intercession.

Guess Christ doesn't count then. (Romans 8) think you need to read. Or the Holy Spirit. Seem to be a connection here don't see mary as part of that. Any verse you can find that says mary intercedes...If not then nope it's not biblical.

 

[SnowFall]

I looked that up in Wiki- "a reported supernatural appearance by Mary, the mother of Jesus, or a series of related such appearances over a period of time."

But what if it was an apparition sent by Satan to fool people into praying to it instead of to God?
The fact is that Mary is a dead human, so isn't talking/praying to her a violation of the Bible instruction to avoid talking to dead people?
"..should not a people inquire of their God? Why consult the dead on behalf of the living?" (Isaiah 8:19)

The Catholic Church has a process of determining if an apparition is authentic or not. Part of that is the Message the Holy Virgin Mary brings.

for example, if the message has to agree with scriptural teaching and being people closer to Christ.

remember, the devil wants you away from Christ and to reject his divinity.

Mary isn’t dead, she was assumed into heaven (similar to the ascension of Christ but not of her own power.)

also Mary plays a big part of what’s to come, for example she is the woman who will crush the devils head with her heel and she’s in the prophecies of revelations 12.

 

[SnowFall]

If you pray to her, you’re worshipping her.

Lol

Nope, prayer doesn’t equal worship, the content of the prayer does.

that’s why I can and do pray to different saints.

 

[SnowFall]

The Catholic Church venerates Mary, but oddly enough doesn't seem to want women priests-

That’s right!
Because venerating the Holy Mother of God is what’s expected of us.

allowing women priests is an abomination.

 

[Tidal]

..I can and do pray to different saints.

Why not simply pray directly to God?

 

[SnowFall]

Guess Christ doesn't count then. (Romans 8) think you need to read. Or the Holy Spirit. Seem to be a connection here don't see mary as part of that. Any verse you can find that says mary intercedes...If not then nope it's not biblical.

It doesn’t have to be in the Bible to be true!
The Bible is 100% true but there have been many years since that happened and God doesn’t just stay dormant. It even says in the Bible that not everything is in the Bible.

 

[SnowFall]

Why not simply pray directly to God?

I do pray to God, and I also pray to Mary since she is our adopted Mother and intercedes for us. Remember Christ came to us through Mary because we weren’t worthy to receive to Messiah straight from Gods hands, we also aren’t worthy to ask anything of God, even though he still helps us. It’s an act of humility to ask Mary to intercede for us and her requests are received better by christ than ours ever were.

 

[Maldarker]

It doesn’t have to be in the Bible to be true!
The Bible is 100% true but there have been many years since that happened and God doesn’t just stay dormant. It even says in the Bible that not everything is in the Bible.

Nope wrong look at who intercedes & since it has EVERYTHING to do with the bible it matters.

This is what your catholic word comes from its an adj. & its definition should tell you everything.

adjective

1. including a wide variety of things; all-embracing. ALL-EMBRACING (Universal)
   
   

 

[Maldarker]

I do pray to God, and I also pray to Mary since she is our adopted Mother and intercedes for us. Remember Christ came to us through Mary because we weren’t worthy to receive to Messiah straight from Gods hands, we also aren’t worthy to ask anything of God, even though he still helps us. It’s an act of humility to ask Mary to intercede for us and her requests are received better by christ than ours ever were.

Not the reason the messiah came that way. See Genesis

 

[Tidal]

..allowing women priests is an abomination.

There were plenty of women involved with the early Christian churches long before catholicism was invented, for example the evangelist Philip had four daughters who were preachers, and the early Christian sect in Phrygia was led by Montanus and two women preachers, Priscilla and Maximilla.
And Paul paid glowing tributes to women -"I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a servant of the church in Cenchrea..she has been a great help to many people, including me..
Greet Priscilla , my fellow worker in Christ Jesus, she risked her life for me.
Greet Mary, who worked very hard for you..
Greet Tryphena and Tryphosa and Persis, those women who work hard in the Lord.
Greet Rufus, chosen in the Lord, and his mother, who has been a mother to me, too.
Greet Julia.." (Romans ch 16)

And he reminds us -
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus" (Galatians 3:28 )

so I can't understand why the Catholic Church fathers don't like women..
By contrast the Protestant Church welcomes women priests (below)-

 

[Maldarker]

I do pray to God, and I also pray to Mary since she is our adopted Mother and intercedes for us. Remember Christ came to us through Mary because we weren’t worthy to receive to Messiah straight from Gods hands, we also aren’t worthy to ask anything of God, even though he still helps us. It’s an act of humility to ask Mary to intercede for us and her requests are received better by christ than ours ever were.

It's a mother goddess religion that's what it is sorry. Roman is good at emulation.

 

[Tidal]

..we also aren’t worthy to ask anything of God..

But when the disciples asked Jesus how to pray, he replied- "Our Father which art in heaven...", he never said we weren't worthy to speak to God.
Like I said, Mary and the saints are dead humans, so praying to them might be just like firing blanks..

"..should not a people inquire of their God? Why consult the dead on behalf of the living?" (Isaiah 8:19)

 

[SnowFall]

Nope wrong look at who intercedes & since it has EVERYTHING to do with the bible it matters.

This is what your catholic word comes from its an adj. & its definition should tell you everything.

adjective

1. including a wide variety of things; all-embracing. ALL-EMBRACING (Universal)
   

I think you must be thinking of something else
intercede
verb [ I ]
formal

UK

/ˌɪn.təˈsiːd/ US

/ˌɪn.t̬ɚˈsiːd/

to use your influence to persuadesomeone in authority to forgiveanother person, or save this personfrom punishment:
Several religious leaders have interceded with the authorities on behalf of the condemned prisoner.

 

[SnowFall]

Not the reason the messiah came that way. See Genesis

Actually yes it is!