Prophetic Expectations

[Camidria]

I'm with you on this one. Whether it be a psy-op or an apparition, the real goal is to get the people to devote themselves to (i.e.worship) the creation instead of the Creator.

Sahih International: And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, 'Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah ?'" He will say, "Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen.

Pickthall: And when Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary! Didst thou say unto mankind: Take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah? he saith: Be glorified! It was not mine to utter that to which I had no right. If I used to say it, then Thou knewest it. Thou knowest what is in my mind, and I know not what is in Thy Mind. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Knower of Things Hidden?

Yusuf Ali: And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden.

Shakir: And when Allah will say: O Isa son of Marium! did you say to men, Take me and my mother for two gods besides Allah he will say: Glory be to Thee, it did not befit me that I should say what I had no right to (say); if I had said it, Thou wouldst indeed have known it; Thou knowest what is in my mind, and I do not know what is in Thy mind, surely Thou art the great Knower of the unseen things.

Muhammad Sarwar: When God asked Jesus, son of Mary "Did you tell men to consider you and your mother as their gods besides God?" he replied, "Glory be to you! How could I say what I have no right to say? Had I ever said it, You would have certainly known about it. You know what is in my soul, but I do not know what is in Yours. It is You who has absolute knowledge of the unseen.

Mohsin Khan: And (remember) when Allah will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Did you say unto men: 'Worship me and my mother as two gods besides Allah?' " He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my innerself though I do not know what is in Yours, truly, You, only You, are the AllKnower of all that is hidden and unseen.

Arberry: And when God said, 'O Jesus son of Mary, didst thou say unto men, "Take me and my mother as gods, apart from God"?' He said, 'To Thee be glory! It is not mine to say what I have no right to. If I indeed said it, Thou knowest it, knowing what is within my soul, and I know not what is within Thy soul; Thou knowest the things unseen

Interesting, the Bible doesn't venerate Mary at all or says anywhere we should worship Mary (Roman Catholicism does - and it's unbiblical). So where would the Quran get that idea that Jesus said we should worship His mother? Mary is pushed to the background very quickly in the Bible!
The Bible also rather refers to Jesus as Son of man, Son of David etc.

Funny that the New Testament (the Septuagint version) that you all dispute so much has the same heptadic structure (rules of 7 where basically everything can be divided into multiple's of 7) that you claim the Quran has....

The Gospels (New Testemant) has so many of these rules of 7 it will take 1000 000 SUPERComputers 4300 000 years to compile the text as it is at 400 million tries per second....

Here is the post with the video btw which explains everything in detail....... If you will not watch the video at least watch the portion from 2:01:15 where the things I mentioned is discussed. The rest of the video clears up exactly where the Bible comes from etc.......

https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/biblical-numerology.936/#post-41002

The goal is for people to worship themselves and be slaves to the system whilst blissfully believing in a new age religion of self worship and being mindless slaves......

I am not saying these things in a nasty tone, I do care about all of you so, hopefully someone will listen and hopefully demons will stop blinding all of you....

 

[DesertRose]

Funny that the New Testament (the Septuagint version) that you all dispute so much has the same heptadic structure (rules of 7 where basically everything can be divided into multiple's of 7) that you claim the Quran has....

This is actually the first time I heard about that!
I guess you had that conversation with someone else.

Thank you for your care, we are old timers who do not self worship. I would put it to you we are the oldest timers.....
We believe Prophet Adam came with the message that God is One and this message was renewed with each Messenger and/or Prophet peace be upon them all..

The Roman and Orthodox Catholic Churches do highlight Mary "is" "the Mother of GOD".
Since all of mankind will be resurrected in the day of judgement all peoples including the people from these days or times will be questioned.

 

[Karlysymon]

If we are in fact living in the run-up to the End Times, might we expect a significant number of deceptive events to take place? I would expect new 'Marian' apperitions, 'ancient alien' contact and more before the end...

In the middle of it, I keep coming back to some verses from John 10

1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.2But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. 3To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. 4And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.5And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers. 6This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.

You are right about that. There hasn't been much about Marian apparitions in our time. There's the famous grotto at Lourdes or the statue in Argentina that supposedly cried tears of blood. How blood emanates from a cold, hard rock, that is for the faithful to ponder.

Iam still reeling from the contents of Serveto's post. I imagined this happening over, say, predominantly Catholic South America. Imagine the carnage, if i can call it that. Serge Monast (the researcher) claimed the project will be rolled out after a financial collapse. When people are going through a very difficult time, they often times turn to God. Hence, when the collapse happens, we'll all be very vulnerable to these deceptions because we will be desperate for relief from trying times.

I confess that i do want to live to the very end, to see Christ and His billions of angels on the skies but the thought of having to put up with the deceptions drains me. Its part of the package, i guess. What the general said in regard to those times is both creepy and terrifying, since we'll have to deal with voices/commands beamed into our heads:
Lt. John Alexander's article continues: "If it is possible to feed artificial though into the multigenic field via satellite, the mind control of the entire planet is now possible. An individual's only resistance would be to constantly question the motivation behind their thoughts and not act upon thoughts which they consider to be outside their own ideological, religious and moral boundaries.'"
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/projectbluebeam25jul05.shtml

Does everyone remember this spiral in the Norwegian skies? The authorities feigned ignorance but the russians later faced up (google)

 

[grateful servant]

Interesting, the Bible doesn't venerate Mary at all or says anywhere we should worship Mary (Roman Catholicism does - and it's unbiblical). So where would the Quran get that idea that Jesus said we should worship His mother? Mary is pushed to the background very quickly in the Bible!.

The Quran doesn't reference the Bible Cam. You should read a translation and find out for yourself that, although there are many of the same stories and prophets mentioned in the Quran as in the Bible, the way they are told and explained is on a whole other level - one that points to God's Uniqueness and Divinity with every verse.

Just to clarify for you though, I posted the verse from the Quran because it clearly speaks against:

• Paul's vision which claimed to be Christ and
• the Portugese children's vision which claimed to be Mary.

Neither vision was from Jesus or Mary but both visions lead to Jesus and his mother being worshipped as gods.

@Karlysymon The Satan may not be able to be everywhere at once but he has followers who do his bidding.

 

[Karlysymon]

@Karlysymon The Satan may not be able to be everywhere at once but he has followers who do his bidding.

For you and @DesertRose
Muslims are in the crosshairs aswell. This WaPo article from almost 20yrs ago: [When seeing and hearing isn't believing]

"But the "strategic" PSYOPS scheming didn't die. What if the U.S. projected a holographic image of Allah floating over Baghdad urging the Iraqi people and Army to rise up against Saddam, a senior Air Force officer asked in 1990? According to a military physicist given the task of looking into the hologram idea, the feasibility had been established of projecting large, three- dimensional objects that appeared to float in the air."

http://washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/dotmil/arkin020199.htm

 

[Camidria]

The Quran doesn't reference the Bible Cam. You should read a translation and find out for yourself that, although there are many of the same stories and prophets mentioned in the Quran as in the Bible, the way they are told and explained is on a whole other level - one that points to God's Uniqueness and Divinity with every verse.

I know the Quran doesn't reference the Bible, but what you posted namely

Sahih International: And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, 'Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah ?'"

suggest that the whoever wrote the Quran never really knew what the Bible said about this topic in the first place, and that is that Jesus didn't ever say in the Bible that Mary should be worshipped as a god.

I have read parts of the Quran, and what I found was many stories that coincide with the apocrypha and other legends or oral traditions, when I went into the past of how the Quran was written and assembled it troubled me that it was little bits and pieces here and there from different people unlike the thousands upon thousands of meticulously copied scrolls of the Bible.

And have you even seen what I wrote about the Bible's amazing heptadic structure? This heptadic structure is also found in Paul's letters.....

 

[DesertRose]

"But the "strategic" PSYOPS scheming didn't die. What if the U.S. projected a holographic image of Allah floating over Baghdad urging the Iraqi people and Army to rise up against Saddam, a senior Air Force officer asked in 1990?

Apparently the anti-Christ will have interesting abilities.....
Muslims who have studied their faith know that Allah will never be a part of his creation.....but the masses the Creator help us!
He will have powers of keeping people spell bound or hyptonized,
the Dajjal:

• He will be short.
• He will have curly hair.
• He will be well-built.
• And most importantly, he will be one-eyed.

What Will The Dajjal Do?
As mentioned earlier, The False Messiah will be the greatest trial mankind has ever faced. But his confusion will be even more troubling for Muslims. Why? Because unlike most others, Muslims will recognize his falsehood and will strive against him.

The Dajjal will come from the area of Central Asia known as Khorasan. This is an area that covers parts of Iran, Turkey, and Afghanistan. He will rise to power with his miracles and magic. He will travel throughout the world spreading his corruption.

The Anti-Christ will first declare himself to be a prophet of God. Then he will claim that he is God himself. Most of the people in the world will believe in him and worship him. He will confuse people by showing them something that looks like a river of water, but is really a river of fire, and something that looks like fire but is really water.
Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) has warned us that if we are presented with such a choice, we must choose the fire.

The False Messiah will also have the power to control the weather and the produce of the earth. For those that obey, follow, and worship him, he will reward them with abundant crops and wealth. And those that do not worship him (namely, Muslims) he will punish them with famine and poverty.

This is why the fitnah (trials) of the Dajjal will be so difficult. You can imagine how difficult it would be to resist a following him when one is faced with hunger and death.

The Dajjal will convince people that he is a god by performing miracles similar to those Jesus (peace be upon him) performed. For instance, he will make some believe that he has brought their parents back from the dead.

He will also try to convince the Muslims as well. Some Muslims will follow him and some will not. Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) has warned us to stay away from the Dajjal completely, since some people will go to him as a believer, and leave a disbeliever.

However, one of the best Muslims will recognize the Dajjal for who he is and go out to confront him. The Muslim will say “I bear witness you are the Dajjaal that our Prophet has warned us about.”

The Anti-Christ will then ask the other Muslims: “If I kill this man and bring him back to life, will you still doubt me?”

The people will say “No,” and the Anti-Christ will kill the Muslim and bring him back to life. Then the believer will say: “Now I know for certain that you are The Dajjaal!”

The Dajjal will try to kill him again, but will not be able.

This sort of confusion does not end here. He will travel to desolate lands and bring forth treasure and crops and wealth. Wealth will follow him everywhere he goes, and those that believe in him will benefit from this wealth.

According to one hadith, the Antichrist will be on earth for forty days. But these days are not like normal days. One day will be like a year, one day will be like a month, one will be like a week, and the remaining 37 days will be like normal days. If we take this literally, it would appear that he will be amongst us for about one year and two and a half months. But Allah knows best

 

[DesertRose]

According to one hadith, the Antichrist will be on earth for forty days. But these days are not like normal days. One day will be like a year, one day will be like a month, one will be like a week, and the remaining 37 days will be like normal days. If we take this literally, it would appear that he will be amongst us for about one year and two and a half months. But Allah knows best

Imran hussein says that these times are not congruent with our time hence ruling for a day that is a month refers to UK'S empire and rule.
Ruling for day like a month refers to Pax Americana and ruling lor a day like a week will be Pax Judaica and as the hadith continues as our days....
"......and the remaining 37 days will be like normal days. If we take this literally, it would appear that he will be amongst us for about one year and two and a half months. But Allah knows best".

 

[Karlysymon]

Apparently the anti-Christ will have interesting abilities.....
Muslims who have studied their faith know that Allah will never be a part of his creation.....but the masses the Creator help us!
He will have powers of keeping people spell bound or hyptonized,
the Dajjal:

• He will be short.
• He will have curly hair.
• He will be well-built.
• And most importantly, he will be one-eyed.

What Will The Dajjal Do?
As mentioned earlier, The False Messiah will be the greatest trial mankind has ever faced. But his confusion will be even more troubling for Muslims. Why? Because unlike most others, Muslims will recognize his falsehood and will strive against him.

The Dajjal will come from the area of Central Asia known as Khorasan. This is an area that covers parts of Iran, Turkey, and Afghanistan. He will rise to power with his miracles and magic. He will travel throughout the world spreading his corruption.

The Anti-Christ will first declare himself to be a prophet of God. Then he will claim that he is God himself. Most of the people in the world will believe in him and worship him. He will confuse people by showing them something that looks like a river of water, but is really a river of fire, and something that looks like fire but is really water.
Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) has warned us that if we are presented with such a choice, we must choose the fire.

The False Messiah will also have the power to control the weather and the produce of the earth. For those that obey, follow, and worship him, he will reward them with abundant crops and wealth. And those that do not worship him (namely, Muslims) he will punish them with famine and poverty.

This is why the fitnah (trials) of the Dajjal will be so difficult. You can imagine how difficult it would be to resist a following him when one is faced with hunger and death.

The Dajjal will convince people that he is a god by performing miracles similar to those Jesus (peace be upon him) performed. For instance, he will make some believe that he has brought their parents back from the dead.

He will also try to convince the Muslims as well. Some Muslims will follow him and some will not. Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) has warned us to stay away from the Dajjal completely, since some people will go to him as a believer, and leave a disbeliever.

However, one of the best Muslims will recognize the Dajjal for who he is and go out to confront him. The Muslim will say “I bear witness you are the Dajjaal that our Prophet has warned us about.”

The Anti-Christ will then ask the other Muslims: “If I kill this man and bring him back to life, will you still doubt me?”

The people will say “No,” and the Anti-Christ will kill the Muslim and bring him back to life. Then the believer will say: “Now I know for certain that you are The Dajjaal!”

The Dajjal will try to kill him again, but will not be able.

This sort of confusion does not end here. He will travel to desolate lands and bring forth treasure and crops and wealth. Wealth will follow him everywhere he goes, and those that believe in him will benefit from this wealth.

According to one hadith, the Antichrist will be on earth for forty days. But these days are not like normal days. One day will be like a year, one day will be like a month, one will be like a week, and the remaining 37 days will be like normal days. If we take this literally, it would appear that he will be amongst us for about one year and two and a half months. But Allah knows best

Goodness me, i can't imagine a one-eyed dude. Like cyclops! So what reason does Muhammad give you for choosing fire? How long is the duration between the dajjal's reign and Jesus' appearance?

Does the quran say anything about the devastation of the earth in those times?

 

[DesertRose]

Goodness me, i can't imagine a one-eyed dude. Like cyclops! So what reason does Muhammad give you for choosing fire? How long is the duration between the dajjal's reign and Jesus' appearance?

Does the quran say anything about the devastation of the earth in those times?

Lol not cyclops but with an eye that is like a bulging grape,
"Ad-Dajjal is blind in the right eye and his eye looks like a bulging out grape."
My old computer had all the bookmarks .
Will source the info and bring it here later, God willing.

 

[rainerann]

Goodness me, i can't imagine a one-eyed dude. Like cyclops! So what reason does Muhammad give you for choosing fire? How long is the duration between the dajjal's reign and Jesus' appearance?

Does the quran say anything about the devastation of the earth in those times?

The wounded eye always reminds me of the first beast of Revelation 13:11-14.

Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon. 12 It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. 13 And it performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people. 14 Because of the signs it was given power to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived the inhabitants of the earth. It ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived.

However, I just noticed the reference of fire is there as well.

Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) has warned us that if we are presented with such a choice, we must choose the fire.

I think this sounds very similar to what Revelation says about the mark of the beast. The prophecy says that if anyone takes the mark of the beast.

Revelation 14:9-11 “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb.11 And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.”

So basically it is saying that if we are given a choice between taking the mark and death, we need to choose death or we will experience God's wrath. I highlighted the part where we are told that there is no way to repent of this either. His death on the cross did not pay for the sin of taking the mark. This is where the work of the cross will come to an end.

 

[DesertRose]

Apparently his river is like a fire and his fire is a cool river.
The anti-Christ comes with much deception.

I believe the beast is a different creature in Islam.
Al-Daabah – a great creature which Allaah will cause to emerge when the people become corrupt. It will speak to mankind and exhort them, having the ability to reason and speak. It will make marks on the people’s noses which will distinguish the believers from the disbelievers.
(For more informations, see Ashraat al-Saa’ah by Yoosuf al-Waabil or al-Qiyaamah al-Kubra by ‘Umar al-Ashqar).

Imran hossein has a different take in the river and hell prophecies....he believes it is religious symbolism

 

[Karlysymon]

The wounded eye always reminds me of the first beast of Revelation 13:11-14.



However, I just noticed the reference of fire is there as well.



I think this sounds very similar to what Revelation says about the mark of the beast. The prophecy says that if anyone takes the mark of the beast.



So basically it is saying that if we are given a choice between taking the mark and death, we need to choose death or we will experience God's wrath. I highlighted the part where we are told that there is no way to repent of this either. His death on the cross did not pay for the sin of taking the mark. This is where the work of the cross will come to an end.

Thanks for bringing this up and i see what you see. I mentioned it in Blah's thread about fire falling from heaven. You do realise the fire falling in full view of all men is meant to decieve, because further down the chapter, we then make the decision for or against the mark. I believe that after everyone has made their decision, Christ's intercessory (just as you said) work in heaven on our behalf will cease. Hence we see the smoke filled temple in Revelation 15, when no one can enter into it. The 7 angels with their 7 bowls step forth, and proceed to pour them out utterly devastating the earth (Rev 16). That's why i want to know why Muhammad advises Muslims to choose the fire.
@DesertRose
BRB...

 

[God_Is_Formless]

That's why i want to know why Muhammad advises Muslims to choose the fire.

Because normally people believe that fire burns whereas fire does not burn except if God Wills it to.

So it will be an illusory fire and only those who believe in God's Power over everything will be able to choose the fire and not be fearful of it.

 

[rainerann]

Thanks for bringing this up and i see what you see. I mentioned it in Blah's thread about fire falling from heaven. You do realise the fire falling in full view of all men is meant to decieve, because further down the chapter, we then make the decision for or against the mark. I believe that after everyone has made their decision, Christ's intercessory (just as you said) work in heaven on our behalf will cease. Hence we see the smoke filled temple in Revelation 15, when no one can enter into it. The 7 angels with their 7 bowls step forth, and proceed to pour them out utterly devastating the earth (Rev 16). That's why i want to know why Muhammad advises Muslims to choose the fire.
@DesertRose
BRB...

Yes I do see how this is a sign that is intended to deceive, otherwise it wouldn't make a connection to the Islamic version that says this fire is a deception as well according to DR. However, this is an incredibly interesting point you are making about choosing the fire since it is only a deception.

Apparently his river is like a fire and his fire is a cool river.
The anti-Christ comes with much deception.

I believe the beast is a different creature in Islam.
Al-Daabah – a great creature which Allaah will cause to emerge when the people become corrupt. It will speak to mankind and exhort them, having the ability to reason and speak. It will make marks on the people’s noses which will distinguish the believers from the disbelievers.
(For more informations, see Ashraat al-Saa’ah by Yoosuf al-Waabil or al-Qiyaamah al-Kubra by ‘Umar al-Ashqar).

Imran hossein has a different take in the river and hell prophecies....he believes it is religious symbolism

hmm, I should have clarified that it was the second beast who was calling down fire for the first beast. so basically the second beast is exactly the same as the Revelation except for the fact that he is wounded while the book of Revelation says the first beast was wounded.

Does the beast come before the antichrist?

Also, do you think it is possible that the mark of the beast that distinguishes believers and disbelievers is the same thing as being forced to choose between life or the deceptive fire of the antichrist.

It sounds like the same function. It would be the same as saying there were two tests to prove you were a believer, a first and a second test; or, it could be possible that it is talking about the same process. This would actually match the book of Revelation because the mark of the beast is demanded by the second beast.

So it is a mark of the first beast, but it is the second beast who gives the choice that will test the believers.

 

[DesertRose]

Will brb, and re-read apologies, not very familiar with Christian end times.
I also ask Aspiring Soul or sister grateful to shed some light.....

 

[AspiringSoul]

Yes I do see how this is a sign that is intended to deceive, otherwise it wouldn't make a connection to the Islamic version that says this fire is a deception as well according to DR. However, this is an incredibly interesting point you are making about choosing the fire since it is only a deception.



hmm, I should have clarified that it was the second beast who was calling down fire for the first beast. so basically the second beast is exactly the same as the Revelation except for the fact that he is wounded while the book of Revelation says the first beast was wounded.

Does the beast come before the antichrist?

Also, do you think it is possible that the mark of the beast that distinguishes believers and disbelievers is the same thing as being forced to choose between life or the deceptive fire of the antichrist.

It sounds like the same function. It would be the same as saying there were two tests to prove you were a believer, a first and a second test; or, it could be possible that it is talking about the same process. This would actually match the book of Revelation because the mark of the beast is demanded by the second beast.

So it is a mark of the first beast, but it is the second beast who gives the choice that will test the believers.

The beast of the earth IS the anti-christ/dajjal the false prophet etc.
The beast of the Sea in Rev IS the system.

I remember years ago i read a 'hadith' that told us there are 3 aspects of dajjal

The political system
the UNSEEN FORCE
and finally the man.

The unseen force is the interesting one.
i learnt about artificial thoughtforms and then about collective thoughtforms and powerful artificial collective thoughtforms
so long story short
Artificial thoughtforms are produced by us, by a certain energy..and the thoughtform can only exist so long as that energy is reproduced whilst feeding on our etheric energy
sounds a lot like

(1) Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: The Prophet said, "If anyone of you on having sexual relations with his wife said (and he must say it before starting) 'In the name of Allah. O Allah! Protect us from satan and also protect what you bestow upon us (i.e. the coming offspring) from satan, and if it is destined that they should have a child then, satan will never be able to harm that offspring." (Book #4, Hadith #143)

because sexual energy=prana/etheric energy ie the lifeforce.
However all the chakras produce energy.

now on a very small level when people product artificial thoughtforms in magic..they use their own blood/semen (masturbation) along with moonphases when they produce it..with their personal intention.
For example they might create an artificial thoughtform, to cause harm to another person.
However it gets more complex ie said thoughform will continue to live by attaching itself to a person and causing that person to reproduce that original energy ie by it's own energy.
So it's a bit like if you suddenly feel depression or anger or lust without understanding how it was 'planted'.
Now imagine an artificial thoughform that is SO powerful it's effectively tapped into the entire world population.
hence part of the 'beast' project was to build multicultural/religious society and over time a one world government controlled by one powerful artificial thoughform, continously feeding of our energies.
the wars, sexual energy etc are designed to feed this 'entity'.
it is the IMAGE of the beast and the unseen force mentioned in the hadith.
it's basically playing the role of God now..it is obviously very powerful and it can harm us when we try to resist it....and those who created it control IT..it serves them.

The only way to kill it is if YOU yourself posess more etheric energy than it.
Jesus Christ does, he has the fountain of life.
In the Prophet SAWs ascension experience he witnesses Jesus and John the Baptist in the second heaven.
The second heaven is the etheric plane/sacral chakra.
it is connected with the lifeforce..with fetiligy (in the Quran both of these prophets had miraculous births). The water/baptism is symbolic of the life force.


About the river
look at Revelation 12 man

15 The serpent spewed water like a river out of its mouth after the woman, in order to sweep her away in the flood; 16 but the land came to her rescue — it opened its mouth and swallowed up the river which the dragon had spewed out of its mouth.

look at the 2 witnesses in Rev 11
fire comes out of their mouth and consumes their enemies

The beast that's wounded is probab reference to one of the countries/states of the end times world government that will be struck and then rebuilt.
probably israel or maybe the US.


going back to the theme of Artificial thoughtforms...
the metal gear solid series gives us a whole futuristic picture of a global network controlled by AIs.and effectively the AI mutates and plays the role of God, controlling people through nanomachines.
The only reason this example is so powerful is because in mgs2 when the AI spoke
it was pretty surreal the things 'it' had to say

The false prophet is going to make the image of the beast come to LIFE ie that means somehow he'll make it into a very real physical force ie through technology?
btw
Adam and Eve=adamska/ocelot and eva (who later is called 'big mama' lol).
Big boss is actually meant to be jewish.
the philosophers are the theosophists etc..
big boss is supposed to be the messiah
but he is put to 'sleep'.

in mgs5 THIS is not him, but an imposter.

Zechariah 11
“Woe to the worthless shepherd
who abandons the sheep!
May a sword strike his arm
and his right eye.
May his arm be completely withered
and his right eye totally blinded.”


anyway in the game series
the 'mark' is the nanomachine injection

AIs and nanomachines are real science so with that in mind im sure it would explain quite a bit about what the 'mark of the beast' really means.

 

[DesertRose]

Was looking for info to see if there are correlations and am glad that brother AspiringSoul was able to clarify.
Interesting perspectives to learn and think upon everyday, hope to read more.

"The mighty powers of the dajjal system:

As we will see below, the anti-Christ will have the following powers and more:

1. His evil will enter every home.
   
2. He will command the sky to rain and it will rain. See HAARP is used for weather modification to turn the weather, earth and seas into military weapons: [1] [2].
   
3. The evil that will rule the earth will corrupt both land and sea. Same research as above.
   
4. He will be able to bring the dead back to life.
   
5. His symbol will be that he will be one-eyed.
   
   
   He will be one-eyed:
   Narrated Ibn Umar: "Once Allah's Apostle stood amongst the people, glorified and praised Allah as He deserved and then mentioned the Dajjal (anti-Christ) saying, "l warn you against him (i.e. the Dajjal) and there was no prophet but warned his nation against him. No doubt, Noah warned his nation against him but I tell you about him something of which no prophet told his nation before me. You should know that he is one-eyed (أعور), and Allah is not one-eyed (أعور)." (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 55, Number 553)"
   
   His symbol will be that he will be one-eyed أعور .أعور means one-eyed or missing one eye. Since everything about the dajjal was spoken in a human metaphor, then أعور here is undoubtedly is metaphoric. There are Hadiths that speak about him blind in the right eye and defective in the left eye. But never was he said that he will be totally blind. Therefore, the one-eye metaphor here is a sign about him. Also, the Prophet saying that Allah Almighty is not أعور (one-eyed) further proves that the dajjal's sign will be indeed one eye, especially that the satanic masons say that the EYE IS ALL-SEEING EYE:
   
   "The Eye of Providence (or the all-seeing eye of God) is a symbol showing an eye often surrounded by rays of light or a glory and usually enclosed by a triangle. It is sometimes interpreted as representing the eye of God watching over humankind (or divine providence).[1][2][3] In the modern era, the most notable depiction of the eye is the reverse of the Great Seal of the United States, which appears on the United States one-dollar bill." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_Providence)
   
   Also this important quote:
   
   "Left eye (=left path) clear vision, while right path is in darkness."--Esoteric Kitten" (Source: 1,2)"
   
   
   
   Click on the following image to enlarge:
   
   
   http://www.answering-christianity.com/dajjal.htm

 

[AspiringSoul]

@DesertRose
The eye of providence is associated with lucifer and the 'sun-God' Horus/Ra.

However the problem is iblees made people worship him through a false philosophy built on a misunderstanding of the nature of duality (like and darkness).
So in keeping relevant to the egyptian mythology, look at how Allah tells us about Musa AS who was taken to the house of pharoe and who posessed egyptian 'wisdom'

Acts 7:22
Moses was educated in all the wisdom of the Egyptians and was powerful in speech and action.

Quran
(1) "Saying: 'Put him (the child) into the Tabut (a box or a case or a chest) and put it into the river (Nile); then the river shall cast it up on the bank, and there, an enemy of Mine and an enemy of his shall take him.' And I endued you with love from Me, in order that you may be brought up under My Eye.
(سورة طه, Taa-Haa, Chapter #20, Verse #39)


word
AAaynee

The letter AYN is the symbol of the EYE.
Hence the REAL 'Eye of providence' is Allah and the real belief of Solomon AS was the correct non-luciferian one.

(2) "I found her and her people worshipping the sun instead of Allah, and Shaitan (Satan) has made their deeds fair-seeming to them, and has barred them from (Allah's) Way: so they have no guidance."
(سورة النمل, An-Naml, Chapter #27, Verse #24)

However we know the shaitan spread lies against Solomon AS.

I remember sharing this with a brother on here when I told him I wanted to wear the letter AYN as my 'symbol for protection from the evil eye'
in reference to 20:39..but he thought it was dangerous (don't know why).
We have to reclaim the symbols of God.


Actually i believe the luciferian 'one eye' philosophy is NOT dajjal's philosophy
it is actually a deception...ie it is mystery babylon pushing the luciferian philosophy
and dajjal is going to play a role in destroying mystery babylon as his grand deception.

Here's what i think his being blind in one eye symbolises

The right eye is connected to the left brian and vice versa.
The left brain is associated with logic and tawheed, with the Transcendence of Allah..and Yin (passive).
The right brain is associated with imagination and the mystical path, ie with the Immanence of Allah and yang (active).
The immanence of Allah is the universal consciousness.

To experience the universal consciousness we have to become conscious beyond Delta ie 'When you sleep your soul returns to Allah' (though i dont directly equate the universal consciousness with Allah ie it is the expression not Allah's Essence).

Prophet SAW had acheive consciousness in sleep. This is called Turiya consciousness.
You know who else will acheive this?
dajjal.

There is a hadith for sure about this but I can't seem to find it right now ie that dajjal will be awake in sleep.
When a person experiences the Immanence of Allah WITHOUT Tawhid, it IS Panthiesm,.
Hence dajjal saying 'he is god' is panthiesm.


Also remember that left/right in in the tree of life sephirot system, are not evil
The tree of death (qliphoth system) is where the left side became extreme kufr/shirk...
the qlipths are like veils of the sephirots...so dajjal being blind in his right eye =blind in the left brain then also symbolises the left hand path in the tree of death.

Basically it's like how in the Quran, the left side is witnessed in jahhanum (ie the tree of death)


(5) And those on the left hand (i.e. those who will be given their Record in their left hands) - how (unfortunate) will be those on the left hand! (As a disgrace for them, because they will enter Hell).
(سورة الواقعة, Al-Waaqia, Chapter #56, Verse #9)


The tree of life example is here
again...it's pretty relevant that this is once again about the people of Sheba..and this event took place long after Prophet Solomon AS meaning by this point these people were 'believers' so the tree of life becomes more relevant.

(3) Indeed there was for Saba' (Sheba) a sign in their dwelling-place - two gardens on the right hand and on the left; (and it was said to them "Eat of the provision of your Lord, and be grateful to Him." A fair land and an Oft-Forgiving Lord!
(سورة سبإ, Saba, Chapter #34, Verse #15)
16 But they turned away (from the obedience of Allah), so We sent against them Sail Al-'Arim (flood released from the dam), and We converted their two gardens into gardens producing bitter bad fruit, and tamarisks, and some few lote-trees.

from the tree of life to the tree of death

 

[rainerann]

@AspiringSoul While I agree with much of what you are saying, this still doesn't answer my question of whether it is possible for the choice given by the antichrist to be a choice to choose the mark of the beast or the fire.

Revelation says the second beast, or antichrist, gives the mark of the first beast which is a life or death choice that has spiritual consequences as well. From what I understand the mark is given by the first beast and the antichrist gives a choice in Islamic prophecy.

However, if the choice is the mark of the beast or fire that is given by the antichrist then they are the same thing. then Christians and Muslims would be the only ones with a reason to refuse and would be a shared experience or cause to refuse this mark.

However, alternately Islamic prophecy appears to say that a choice distinguishing between believers and unbelievers will happen twice. Is this true or is it possible that the mark and the choice are referring to the same event that will be implemented by the antichrist.

Interesting take on combating this with some sort of greater etheric understanding. I like that term etheric. Modern way to refer to a second Pentecost-like experience that I do believe revelation 11 is suggesting.