The TRUE BIBLICAL TRUTH; Esau will fall, Jacob will rise

[A Freeman]

They are just thoughts, they have no substance. They arise and pass like clouds in the sky. Judging them is counterproductive, it just pushes them back into the subconscious. Whatever divinity there may be, it certainly isn't judging us on our thoughts. It's not even a question of cultivating "virtuous" thoughts, but no longer being a slave to the intellect's perpetual commentary.

Most have yet to realize that every single thought we've ever had comes from one of two sources: good (God) or evil (devil/Satan). NONE of us have ever had an original thought! The only thing that convinces people otherwise is our egos (the "self", which is controlled by Satan).

Yes, the (undisciplined) mind is flooded with random thoughts all day long every day. Most mistakenly believe that is their "subconscious" or just part of "normal" brain activity. And yes, those thoughts in no way define who we are, nor do they serve as the basis for any judgment by our Creator. For the most part, they are sent from the evil source, to distract us from the present moment, and/or to pull us into some emotional roller-coaster, where the spirit-Being is just along for the ride.

Once it is realized (shown to us by our Creator) that our duty is to discern which of those thoughts are good (from God) and which of those thoughts are evil (from the evil one, usually to get us to reminisce about the past or to worry about the future, neither of which we can influence), then the work begins on being quick to recognize and discard the evil, to focus on the good. The longer a thought is entertained, i.e. the more energy is given to a thought, the easier it is for that thought to take root and to grow.

We've all been filling our minds with trash for so long that this concept seems foreign, which is certainly true for the human. Logically, what needs to be done is to take out the trash, and learn to fill our minds (the Being) with nothing but good. In the Bible this concept is explained as emptying the wine bottle before putting new wine into it. In other texts there are exercises described for clearing the mind. These all refer to the same process though: learning to discipline the mind, so the trash is quickly overcome and discarded, leaving room only for that which is good.

If the entire world was doing this, it would transform it overnight into heaven on earth it was always meant to be, instead of the hell that we have made of it.

 

[shankara]

Most have yet to realize that every single thought we've ever had comes from one of two sources: good (God) or evil (devil/Satan). NONE of us have ever had an original thought! The only thing that convinces people otherwise is our egos (the "self", which is controlled by Satan).

Yes, the (undisciplined) mind is flooded with random thoughts all day long every day. Most mistakenly believe that is their "subconscious" or just part of "normal" brain activity. And yes, those thoughts in no way define who we are, nor do they serve as the basis for any judgment by our Creator. For the most part, they are sent from the evil source, to distract us from the present moment, and/or to pull us into some emotional roller-coaster, where the spirit-Being is just along for the ride.

Once it is realized (shown to us by our Creator) that our duty is to discern which of those thoughts are good (from God) and which of those thoughts are evil (from the evil one, usually to get us to reminisce about the past or to worry about the future, neither of which we can influence), then the work begins on being quick to recognize and discard the evil, to focus on the good. The longer a thought is entertained, i.e. the more energy is given to a thought, the easier it is for that thought to take root and to grow.

We've all been filling our minds with trash for so long that this concept seems foreign, which is certainly true for the human. Logically, what needs to be done is to take out the trash, and learn to fill our minds (the Being) with nothing but good. In the Bible this concept is explained as emptying the wine bottle before putting new wine into it. In other texts there are exercises described for clearing the mind. These all refer to the same process though: learning to discipline the mind, so the trash is quickly overcome and discarded, leaving room only for that which is good.

If the entire world was doing this, it would transform it overnight into heaven on earth it was always meant to be, instead of the hell that we have made of it.

I don't really agree, at least I could possibly interpret what you say as a metaphor which might vaguely fit, but not the most practically useful way of describing things. According to some teachings on Dzogchen that I've been reading (I hope I get this right) thoughts are the creative play of the luminosity of spontaneous presence. Meditation doesn't mean forcing thoughts out or even concentrating on developing virtuous thoughts, rather it is just seeing the mind as it is and becoming aware of our true nature. But the idea that all of our thoughts are telepathic in origin seems like an idea prone to stray into a kind of schizophrenia.

 

[A Freeman]

I don't really agree, at least I could possibly interpret what you say as a metaphor which might vaguely fit, but not the most practically useful way of describing things. According to some teachings on Dzogchen that I've been reading (I hope I get this right) thoughts are the creative play of the luminosity of spontaneous presence. Meditation doesn't mean forcing thoughts out or even concentrating on developing virtuous thoughts, rather it is just seeing the mind as it is and becoming aware of our true nature. But the idea that all of our thoughts are telepathic in origin seems like an idea prone to stray into a kind of schizophrenia.

But who is "I"? You (the spirit-Being) or your "self"?

And what is "the creative play of the luminosity of spontaneous presence"? A fancy word a thought/communication from our Creator?

Humans will invariably discount telepathy, because it's a completely foreign concept to them and goes against the ego, which they need to keep inflated at all times.

Some Words of Wisdom

“In every person there is a spirit-Being (soul).
In every spirit-Being there is Intelligence.
In every Intelligence there is Thought.
In every Thought there is either Good or Evil*.
In every Evil there is Death.
In every Good there is Life.
In every Life there is God.”

“Grant O God Thy Protection.
And in Protection, Strength.
And in Strength, Understanding.
And in Understanding, [True] Knowledge.
And in [True] Knowledge, the knowledge of [Thy] Justice.
And in the knowledge of Justice, the Love of it.
And in that Love, the love of all Existences.
And in the love of all Existences, the Love of God.
God, and all Goodness.”

* Good (God) or Evil (d/evil) - Truth or untruth.

From The Law:-

Deuteronomy 30:15-20
30:15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;
30:16 In that I command thee this day to love the "I AM" thy God, to walk in His Ways, and to keep His Commandments and His Statutes and His Judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the "I AM" thy God shall bless thee in the land where thou goest to possess it.
30:17 But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them;
30:18 I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, [and that] ye shall not prolong [your] days upon the land, where thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.
30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, [that] I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
30:20 That thou mayest love the "I AM" thy God, [and] that thou mayest obey His voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto Him: for He [is] thy Life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the "I AM" sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob/Israel, to give them.

Every decision we make is choosing between good and evil. And all true wisdom has one source: our Creator.

 

[shankara]

But who is "I"? You (the spirit-Being) or your "self"?

And what is "the creative play of the luminosity of spontaneous presence"? A fancy word a thought/communication from our Creator?

Humans will invariably discount telepathy, because it's a completely foreign concept to them and goes against the ego, which they need to keep inflated at all times.

Some Words of Wisdom

“In every person there is a spirit-Being (soul).
In every spirit-Being there is Intelligence.
In every Intelligence there is Thought.
In every Thought there is either Good or Evil*.
In every Evil there is Death.
In every Good there is Life.
In every Life there is God.”

“Grant O God Thy Protection.
And in Protection, Strength.
And in Strength, Understanding.
And in Understanding, [True] Knowledge.
And in [True] Knowledge, the knowledge of [Thy] Justice.
And in the knowledge of Justice, the Love of it.
And in that Love, the love of all Existences.
And in the love of all Existences, the Love of God.
God, and all Goodness.”

* Good (God) or Evil (d/evil) - Truth or untruth.

From The Law:-

Deuteronomy 30:15-20
30:15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;
30:16 In that I command thee this day to love the "I AM" thy God, to walk in His Ways, and to keep His Commandments and His Statutes and His Judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the "I AM" thy God shall bless thee in the land where thou goest to possess it.
30:17 But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them;
30:18 I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, [and that] ye shall not prolong [your] days upon the land, where thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.
30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, [that] I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
30:20 That thou mayest love the "I AM" thy God, [and] that thou mayest obey His voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto Him: for He [is] thy Life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the "I AM" sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob/Israel, to give them.

Every decision we make is choosing between good and evil. And all true wisdom has one source: our Creator.

Ok so according to Tibetan Buddhism there are five basic energies, which represent the different Skandhas, but also different types of fundamental energy behind various appearances, and related with the five elements. Now these energies have different forms of expression depending on whether it is ego or whatever-not-ego-is manifesting them, five poisons or five wisdoms.

In the Centre there is Vairocana. He is related with the wisdom of Shunyata, but also with the poison of Ignorance.
In the North there is Amoghasiddhi. He is related with the Action-Accomplishing Wisdom, but also with the poison of Jealousy.
In the West is Amitabha. He is related with the wisdom of Discrimination, but also with the poison of desire.
In the South is Ratnasambhava. He is related with the wisdom of Equanimity ("seeing all beings and Buddhas as having the same nature"), but also with the poison of pride.
In the East is Akshobhya. He is related with the "mirrorlike wisdom", but also with the poison of anger.

All of these energies are always manifesting within us. However due to our egoistic clinging, we express the negative forms of the energy, the "poisons". This leads us to be "reborn in Samsara", though the Six Realms of Samsara can also represent different types of experience within the human realm. Through meditation and other practices, we work on our egoistic clinging which is causing the energies to manifest negatively, thus allowing our Buddha-nature to work for the benefit of sentient beings.

I think you are right in saying that our thoughts do not belong to us. We are just chasing them, identifying with them, and labelling them "I". On the other I don't think that they come from any God or Devil as such. They are just reflections of our Buddha-nature. The Buddhist philosophy speaks of "adventitious stains", if that makes sense to you. That's to say that the obscurations, the ego-driven distortions of the fundamental energies, don't have any real existence - but to explain this would require explaining some quite complex Buddhist philosophy.

As for "Good and Evil", Gurdjieff has a story about this. He says that long ago, someone created these two words to signify "Evolutive Tendencies" and "Involutive Tendencies". That is to say the two extremes either side of "The Middle Way". Unfortunately the meaning was soon lost, and the labels "Good" and "Evil" became powerful means by which tyrants control humanity, telling them that what is in accordance with their agenda is "Good" and what is not is "Evil". Sure, they can sometimes serve as useful labels within relative reality. Personally I'm not a dualist and I don't think there is actually an individual named "Satan" actually plotting against humanity, I think that the whole thing is just a metaphor for the temptation we all have to face in the human body. But what counts is what inspires us to practice.

OM

 

[Lisa]

Thats not me judging. Thats the law. It says cursed is everyone that doesnt perform ALL that which is in the law. If you sin once you break the whole law. It demands perfection in order to be kept. Your a debtor to the whole law.

He’s got you there @A Freeman ...but you were always gonna lose this fight.

 

[Tidal]

Who is the Law for?

That's easy..-

"We also know that law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and liars and perjurers, and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine that conforms to the glorious gospel of the blessed God" (1 Tim 1:9)

So they better shape up or they'll be heading down here-

 

[A Freeman]

He’s got you there @A Freeman ...but you were always gonna lose this fight.

The Law means exactly what it says and it (The Law/Truth) ALWAYS wins. Everyone who doesn't return to keeping and enforcing The Law will fall under the curses (penalty clause) of The Law (Deut. 28:15-68). There will be absolutely NO exceptions.

Do you really believe Father (God) is going to reward anyone for being an unrepentant habitual criminal who HATES Christ?

 

[Lisa]

The Law means exactly what it says and it (The Law/Truth) ALWAYS wins. Everyone who doesn't return to keeping and enforcing The Law will fall under the curses (penalty clause) of The Law (Deut. 28:15-68). There will be absolutely NO exceptions.

Do you really believe Father (God) is going to reward anyone for being an unrepentant habitual criminal who HATES Christ?

I think the real point being made is that you, yourself can’t and don’t keep all the law every single moment of every single day...so you break some of it..you break all of it. That’s why you were never going to win the argument. No matter how much scripture you quote..you can’t argue with that.

 

[A Freeman]

I think the real point being made is that you, yourself can’t and don’t keep all the law every single moment of every single day...so you break some of it..you break all of it. That’s why you were never going to win the argument. No matter how much scripture you quote..you can’t argue with that.

There is no argument. The Bible states from cover to cover that we must obey God. Christ says exactly the same thing, and made it crystal clear it is not only possible to keep The Law, but it's life or death serious that we do exactly that.

So you really believe God is unfair, and gave us a law that we cannot keep, so He can punish us, when we don't keep it? And that you are in a position to judge others, and The Law itself?

 

[Lisa]

There is no argument. The Bible states from cover to cover that we must obey God. Christ says exactly the same thing, and made it crystal clear it is not only possible to keep The Law, but it's life or death serious that we do exactly that.

So you really believe God is unfair, and gave us a law that we cannot keep, so He can punish us, when we don't keep it? And that you are in a position to judge others, and The Law itself?

The law was given so we can see how far we away from God’s standard. We can’t keep the law...God knows it which is why He sent His Son, that we may be justified by faith.

Galatians‬ ‭3:24-26‬ ‭
Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

Galatians 3:24-26 Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. For you are all sons of God through fait | New American Standard Bible (NASB) | Download The Bible App Now

Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. For you are all sons of God through fait

www.bible.com

 

[Lyfe]

There is no argument. The Bible states from cover to cover that we must obey God. Christ says exactly the same thing, and made it crystal clear it is not only possible to keep The Law, but it's life or death serious that we do exactly that.

So you really believe God is unfair, and gave us a law that we cannot keep, so He can punish us, when we don't keep it? And that you are in a position to judge others, and The Law itself?

So have you figured out how many times you have sinned and disobeyed this week yet freeman? What is your excuse for sinning and breaking Gods laws?

 

[Lyfe]

He’s got you there @A Freeman ...but you were always gonna lose this fight.

Its insanity for someone to insinuate that they can stand before a holy all knowing God and contend that if prompted God could find no fault with them in the course of a week, let alone a day. Yet, freeman contends he doesnt sin when its clear that all sin is transgression from the law and one sin breaks every jot and title.

 

[Lisa]

Its insanity for someone to insinuate that they can stand before a holy all knowing God and contend that if prompted God could find no fault with them in the course of a week, let alone a day. Yet, freeman contends he doesnt sin when its clear that all sin is transgression from the law and one sin breaks every jot and title.

I know..but you know if someone says they have no sin..the truth is not in them. He sure is proving that with every post.

 

[Lyfe]

I know..but you know if someone says they have no sin..the truth is not in them. He sure is proving that with every post.

Yeah, and even certain thoughts and attitudes are sinful. Whatever is not of faith is sin and failing to trust God for his provision and deliverance is sin. There are also sins of omission and indifference. I used to think I was a reasonably good person, but when I came to Christ what the holy spirit revealed to me was just how sinful I was on the basis of what was in my heart alone. Pride, malice, envy, covetness, ungratefulness, malice... The lord will convict us of things everyday.

 

[Lisa]

Yeah, and even certain thoughts and attitudes are sinful. Whatever is not of faith is sin and failing to trust God for his provision and deliverance is sin. There are also sins of omission and indifference. I used to think I was a reasonably good person, but when I came to Christ what the holy spirit revealed to me was just how sinful I was on the basis of what was in my heart alone. Pride, malice, envy, covetness, ungratefulness, malice... The lord will convict us of things everyday.

No doubt! But He also reveals His grace so that we can live our lives...otherwise I wouldn’t want to wake up let alone get out of bed.

 

[LittleLady]

So have you figured out how many times you have sinned and disobeyed this week yet freeman? What is your excuse for sinning and breaking Gods laws?

As I said, you hypocrite. Going from, "We don't have to follow the law," to, "Well, you're a lawbreaker!" Just proves all you want to do is be right with little to no knowledge about his laws at all anyways since you're only keen on following the 10 Commandments.

Is this what you're going to do in this thread? Just continuously blame anyone who claims to follow the law is a lawbreaker, even after I told you why we can't follow exactly every law? You know you're wrong which is why you keep feeling the urge to tell US we're wrong, when really, it's you.

If you disagree, I don't see why you can't leave. You've left a few times but kept coming back. Just leave officially if you disagree because now you're starting an unwanted argument.

 

[Lyfe]

As I said, you hypocrite. Going from, "We don't have to follow the law," to, "Well, you're a lawbreaker!" Just proves all you want to do is be right with little to no knowledge about his laws at all anyways since you're only keen on following the 10 Commandments.

Is this what you're going to do in this thread? Just continuously blame anyone who claims to follow the law is a lawbreaker, even after I told you why we can't follow exactly every law? You know you're wrong which is why you keep feeling the urge to tell US we're wrong, when really, it's you.

If you disagree, I don't see why you can't leave. You've left a few times but kept coming back. Just leave officially if you disagree because now you're starting an unwanted argument.

You and freeman seem to not understand the gospel Littlelady. I am doing what any evangelist or faithful witness would do. I am using the law to disprove freemans self perceived righteousness by the law so that he can abandon all hope in it as his basis for salvation and come to Christ. I repeatedly point out that the law condemns him and can only condemn him, because it demands perfection and will not acquit the sins he is guilty of. If you understood the gospel you would be pointing this out to him as well, but sadly you do not. I am not saying anything to him in a spirit of judgment or condemnation, but merely trying to prove a point as the law will condemn him on judgment day if he doesnt come to an understanding of the gospel of Jesus Christ. He never teaches salvation in Christ if you pay careful attention to what he writes. He teaches and points to the law of moses and cites Jesus as a messenger of God that pointed to the law rather than himself as the source of salvation. This is not the gospel. The gospel is that Jesus came to save from the just and perfect condemnation of the law... Anyone who points to the law and not Jesus in their message is preaching a false gospel...

Until he abandons this idea that he keeps the law he will be found guilty before God, and all he is doing by pointing others to the law is making them sinners and guilty before God, because its as I pointed out the law can only condemn. I am telling him the truth and using the law to show him that he is guilty and a lawbreaker before God. Why is that important? Because, I would hate for anyone to be brought before God on judgment day and for them to find out the law they preached and believed in so earnestly is the very law that found them guilty and condemned. I am telling him and anyone else that the law will only condemn them, because no matter how much you believe you keep it if you sin only once then it is game over and you stand guilty with the wrath of God abiding on you with perfect justice. You should be pointing others to Jesus and him alone as the only means to salvation, not the law. You keep talking about trying to keep Gods laws, but thats all you are doing is trying and failing miserably, standing guilty of being a lawbreaker. It is the only thing you can be according to the law is guilty and condemned. Freeman doesnt keep the law. He is a sinner according to the law. He needs Jesus as savior from the condemnation from the law. His views on Jesus are completely wrong and to be honest I would even be willing to say that he doesnt know Jesus as the savior and I dont want to be the one to say that about anybody, but its become apparent over time...

 

[Lisa]

As I said, you hypocrite. Going from, "We don't have to follow the law," to, "Well, you're a lawbreaker!" Just proves all you want to do is be right with little to no knowledge about his laws at all anyways since you're only keen on following the 10 Commandments.

Is this what you're going to do in this thread? Just continuously blame anyone who claims to follow the law is a lawbreaker, even after I told you why we can't follow exactly every law? You know you're wrong which is why you keep feeling the urge to tell US we're wrong, when really, it's you.

If you disagree, I don't see why you can't leave. You've left a few times but kept coming back. Just leave officially if you disagree because now you're starting an unwanted argument.

But you, A Freeman and Yahda are wrong. The reason Lyfe talks about both is because for Christians the law has been fulfilled by Jesus. If you don’t believe in Jesus you are under the law and have to keep it. However no one can keep the law..which is why Lyfe talks about that.

Yahda and A Freeman are all about the law. You acknowledge Jesus but when you start to talk about obeying the law..you’ve gone off the gospel and back to the law...so you’re just as bad as they are...O and you’re also a racist which God isn’t...so you’re wrong there too.

 

[A Freeman]

The law was given so we can see how far we away from God’s standard. We can’t keep the law...God knows it which is why He sent His Son, that we may be justified by faith.

Galatians‬ ‭3:24-26‬ ‭
Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

Galatians 3:24-26 Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. For you are all sons of God through fait | New American Standard Bible (NASB) | Download The Bible App Now

Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. For you are all sons of God through fait

www.bible.com

Who told you we can't we keep The Law? And who told Eve that if she ate of the tree of the knowledge of good AND evil that she would be like God?

SAME ANSWER.

Do the verses you just cited from Paul's letter to the Galatians say we shouldn't keep The Law? Absolutely NOT.

Faith is trust in God, that He ALWAYS knows what is best and that His Law is PERFECT, Just and Fair for ALL. It is a lack of faith and/or will-power to resist temptation that causes us to sin/break The Law. And when we sin/break The Law, we make a mockery of Christ's Sacrifice.

Galatians 3:24 Wherefore The Law was our schoolmaster [to bring us] unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

The ONLY way The Law can be a schoolmaster/teacher is IF we study it, learn from it and keep and apply it. There is simply no other way to learn the lessons that can ONLY come from keeping The Law, and ONLY THOSE LESSONS can bring us to Christ.

Galatians 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster (but under Christ, Who is The Word/Law made flesh – John 1:14 - and who taught "self" sacrifice - Luke 9:23, Gal. 2:20 - instead of substitute animal sacrifice).

Galatians 3:26 For ye are all the (adopted) children of God (IF ye do His Will) by faith (trust) in Christ Jesus.

Is there such a thing as faith without good, Godly works (as defined in His Law)? NO (James 2:17-26). We are to keep The Commandments of God (His Law) to know and love Christ.

John 14:15 IF ye love me, KEEP my COMMANDments.

Anyone who falsely claims that we no longer have to keep The Law/obey God, is teaching others we should obey Satan and break God's Commandments/His Law (which is what sinning is - 1 John 3:4). They are also calling God and Christ liars, and obviously don't believe Paul either, because Paul quite clearly stated that he himself was keeping The Law (Rom. 7:25), that The Law/Commandments of God are holy, just and good (Rom. 7:12), that he was establishing The Law everywhere he went (Rom. 3:31) and that only DOERS of The Law shall be justified (Rom. 2:13)?

Hopefully you can now see that any and all of the satanic arguments against God and His Word/Truth/Law will NEVER work. That's why Christ warned that those who make such arguments (trying to teach others to break the Commandments/Law), are the lowest of the low in God's Eyes (Matt. 5:19).

 

[A Freeman]

You and freeman seem to not understand the gospel Littlelady. I am doing what any evangelist or faithful witness would do. I am using the law to disprove freemans self perceived righteousness by the law so that he can abandon all hope in it as his basis for salvation and come to Christ.

How can you teach and use The Law that you obviously don't know and brazenly refuse to keep?

I repeatedly point out that the law condemns him and can only condemn him, because it demands perfection and will not acquit the sins he is guilty of. If you understood the gospel you would be pointing this out to him as well, but sadly you do not. I am not saying anything to him in a spirit of judgment or condemnation, but merely trying to prove a point as the law will condemn him on judgment day if he doesnt come to an understanding of the gospel of Jesus Christ. He never teaches salvation in Christ if you pay careful attention to what he writes. He teaches and points to the law of moses and cites Jesus as a messenger of God that pointed to the law rather than himself as the source of salvation. This is not the gospel. The gospel is that Jesus came to save from the just and perfect condemnation of the law... Anyone who points to the law and not Jesus in their message is preaching a false gospel...

Everything you (your "self" really) just said is a lie, i.e. it was Satan speaking through you. Who else advocates disobedience to God?

The words of Christ (the TRUE Gospel Message):-

Matthew 5:17-19
5:17 Think NOT that I am come to destroy The Law, or the Prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill [fully preach The Law (The Torah) and fulfill the prophecies about the first coming of the Messiah].
5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no way pass from The Law, till all be fulfilled.
5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least COMMANDments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in The Kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in The Kingdom of heaven.

John 5:42-47
5:42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.
5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
5:44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that [cometh] from God only?
5:45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is [one] that accuseth you, [even] Moses, in whom ye trust.
5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

The TRUE Gospel Message couldn't be any clearer: THE LAW WILL NEVER GO AWAY, and the only way Christ's Sacrifice can save us is IF we truly REPENT of our sins/lawlessness/crimes, and turn back to Christ and to God. Anyone who is still sinning/breaking The Law is obviously serving Satan, NOT Christ. Christ, Who is The Law made flesh, ALWAYS KEEPS THE LAW. Shouldn't all of us be following Christ's Example rather than looking for excuses that we mistakenly believe will allow us to continue in sin?

Christ has no power over those who choose of their own free will to be a slave to sin. Only those who willingly choose to accept Christ's Gospel Truth and return to Him by keeping The Law/Commandments will survive. All others will perish in The Fire, as we've been warned for thousands of years (Mal. 4).

King of kings' Bible - John 8:25 (8:34 KJV) Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the prisoner of sin.

What is sin?

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also The Law: for sin is the transgression of The Law.

And what can free us from sin? Keeping The Law, as Christ teaches. That's why it's referred to as the Perfect Royal Law of LIBERTY (James 2:12).

There is not one single verse in all of Scripture that tells us we should break The Law/Commandments of God. Obedience to God is the key to life, goodness, holiness and righteousness (Deut. 30:15-20), and those who seek it WILL find it (Matt. 7:7-14).

Until he abandons this idea that he keeps the law he will be found guilty before God, and all he is doing by pointing others to the law is making them sinners and guilty before God, because its as I pointed out the law can only condemn. I am telling him the truth and using the law to show him that he is guilty and a lawbreaker before God.

Let the Scriptures determine who is a liar and who is telling the truth.

1 John 2:1-5
2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin NOT. And IF any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2:2 And he is the atonement for our (past) sins (Rom. 3:25): and not for ours only, but also for [the sins of] the whole world.
2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, IF we keep His Commandments.
2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth NOT His Commandments, is a LIAR, and the truth is NOT in him.
2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

The only way NOT to be a sinner is to choose to DO as Christ COMMANDS: KEEP THE LAW/COMMANDMENTS OF GOD. There is no other way to stop sinning (sin not).

1 John 3:1-10
3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the (adopted) sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew Him not.
3:2 Beloved, now are we the (adopted) sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear (Christ's Second Coming), we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is (as The Christ).
3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he (Christ) is pure.
3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also The Law: for sin is the transgression of The Law.
3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our (past) sins; and in him (Christ) is no sin.
3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he (Christ) is righteous.
3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the Beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil (destroy sin - by magnifying The Law).
3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for His seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever DOETH NOT righteousness is NOT of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

There we have it. Those who are truly born again of God, from above (John 3:3-7) are those who are purifying themselves by DOING as Christ teaches (walking the walk). The more one strives to be Christ-like, the more Father (God) rewards that effort, making the climb easier and easier.

Take the first step toward Christ today, by learning to keep The Law while there is still time to prove you are genuinely sorry for not doing so sooner.

Why is that important? Because, I would hate for anyone to be brought before God on judgment day and for them to find out the law they preached and believed in so earnestly is the very law that found them guilty and condemned.

The Gospel Truth is The Law can only condemn those who refuse to keep it, exactly as Christ teaches.

I am telling him and anyone else that the law will only condemn them, because no matter how much you believe you keep it if you sin only once then it is game over and you stand guilty with the wrath of God abiding on you with perfect justice. You should be pointing others to Jesus and him alone as the only means to salvation, not the law.

You pretend that Christ is at odds with The Law, which is an obvious LIE. Why would anyone need to choose between Christ and The Law, when Christ is The Law/Word of God made flesh? Can you really not see how contradictory your satanic message and "Christian" traditions are? They are as bad as the ones promoted by Talmudic Judaism (and every other satanic organized religion).

KEEPING THE LAW BRINGS US TO CHRIST (Gal. 3:24).

Matthew 15:3-9
15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the COMMANDment of God by your Tradition?
15:4 For God Commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
15:5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to [his] father or [his] mother, [It is] a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
15:6 And honour not his father or his mother, [he shall be free]. Thus have ye made the Commandment of God of none effect by your Tradition (Talmud).
15:7 [Ye] hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with [their] lips; but their heart is FAR from me.
15:9 But in vain they do worship Me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men (man-made laws/legislation).

STOP TEACHING YOUR SATANIC TRADITIONS THAT DISOBEDIENCE TO GOD IS SOMEHOW "CHRIST-LIKE".

You keep talking about trying to keep Gods laws, but thats all you are doing is trying and failing miserably, standing guilty of being a lawbreaker. It is the only thing you can be according to the law is guilty and condemned. Freeman doesnt keep the law. He is a sinner according to the law. He needs Jesus as savior from the condemnation from the law. His views on Jesus are completely wrong and to be honest I would even be willing to say that he doesnt know Jesus as the savior and I dont want to be the one to say that about anybody, but its become apparent over time...

Of course the exact opposite of what Satan just said through Lyfe is true.

1 John 2:3-4
2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, IF we keep His Commandments.
2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth NOT His Commandments, is a LIAR, and the truth is NOT in him.

What did the prophet Isaiah prophecy about Christ during His Second Coming with regard to The Law?

Isaiah 42:18-25
42:18 Hear, ye deaf; and look, ye blind, that ye may see.
42:19 Who [is] blind, but My servant? or deaf, as My messenger [that] I sent? who [is] as blind as [he that thinks he is] perfect, and blind as the "I AM"'s servant (Israel)?
42:20 Seeing many things, but thou takest no notice; opening the ears, but he heareth not.
42:21 The "I AM" is well pleased for His Righteousness' sake (for Christ's sake); He will magnify The Law, and make [it] honourable (Deut. 33:21).
42:22 But this [is] a people robbed and spoiled; [they are] all of them trapped in [pigeon] holes, and they are hid in prison houses: they are for a prey, and no-one delivereth [them]; for a spoil, and none saith, Restore [their share to them].
42:23 Who among you will give ear to this? [who] will hearken and hear for the time to come?
42:24 Who gave Jacob for a spoil, and Israel to the robbers? did not the "I AM", He against Whom we have sinned? for they would not walk in His Ways, neither were they obedient unto His Law.
42:25 Therefore He hath poured upon him the fury of His anger, and the strength of battle: and it hath set him (Israel) on fire round about, yet he understood not; and it burned him, yet he took [it] not to heart (did not learn from it).

But you, A Freeman and Yahda are wrong. The reason Lyfe talks about both is because for Christians the law has been fulfilled by Jesus. If you don’t believe in Jesus you are under the law and have to keep it. However no one can keep the law..which is why Lyfe talks about that.

Yahda and A Freeman are all about the law. You acknowledge Jesus but when you start to talk about obeying the law..you’ve gone off the gospel and back to the law...so you’re just as bad as they are...O and you’re also a racist which God isn’t...so you’re wrong there too.

Lyfe and Lisa are WRONG in trying to teach others that Christ wants us to break The Law/Commandments of God (Matt. 5:19). That's why they both continually contradict themselves and the Scriptures, because neither of them understand the Gospel (even though they mistakenly believe they do). Those like Lyfe and Lisa (i.e. most "Christians") are working AGAINST God and His Christ, by teaching others the exact opposite of what Christ teaches. Anyone who opposes God and Christ is very obviously working for Satan (Matt. 12:30), and doesn't know or love Christ (John 14:21-24, 1 John 2:3-4). They are therefore the (spiritually) "blind leading the blind", leading anyone foolish enough to listen to them AWAY from Christ and into The Fire, exactly as Christ warned (Matt. 15:14).

Of course the Scriptures prove them wrong, over and over again, which is why they both run from the words of Christ (which are the found in the Gospel) to their MISinterpretations of the letters of Paul, where they mistakenly believe they have refuge from keeping The Law. Paul wrote in a way that is very difficult for most to grasp (2 Pet. 3:15-16), particularly those who look for every excuse they can find to feel good about their continued obedience to Satan.

2 Peter 3:15-16
3:15 And account [that] the longsuffering of our Lord [is] salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the Wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
3:16 As also in all [his] epistles (letters), speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as [they do] also the other Scriptures, unto their OWN destruction.

Believe Father (God) and His Christ, NOT in those who teach disobedience to Them. Free yourself from sin by learning to keep The Law as Christ teaches. There is no other way home, to Heaven.