The TRUE BIBLICAL TRUTH; Esau will fall, Jacob will rise

[A Freeman]

You are a walking talking trinity composed of body soul and spirit clowning around about God not being Trinity too.

Wrong again. No matter how many times you repeat those lies, they will NEVER be true.

Christ (the Truth - John 14:6) made it crystal clear that there is no trinity, and that He is NOT God. He (Christ) said it HUNDREDS of times. So why are you so insistent on calling Christ a liar? Do you have a death wish?

Are you really so blind you cannot see how idolatrous and anti-Christ your messages really are?

 

[TokiEl]

You sure you're not trying to hide something?

14 The children of your oppressors will come bowing before you;
all who despise you will bow down at your feet"

Saying exactly what I said..And I dont say this just to mock but because floss kept going at me for whatever reason. Even though I thought we always had positive interactions on this board going back at least to the last version. But either way these are things the OT says and bringing out the NT doesnt overwrite the fate God said people would have who DO NOT BELIEVE(IN) HIM. Its your choice but the answer is right there in Isaiah 56...You'd have to drop your idol though....

The children of those who oppress Zion the City of God will come bowing before her.

 

[TokiEl]

Wrong again. No matter how many times you repeat those lies, they will NEVER be true.

Christ (the Truth - John 14:6) made it crystal clear that there is no trinity, and that He is NOT God. He (Christ) said it HUNDREDS of times. So why are you so insistent on calling Christ a liar? Do you have a death wish?

Are you really so blind you cannot see how idolatrous and anti-Christ your messages really are?

John 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.




John 10 31At this, the Jews again picked up stones to stone Him. 32But Jesus responded, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone Me?”

33“We are not stoning You for any good work,” said the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because You, who are a man, declare Yourself to be God.”

 

[A Freeman]

John 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

How deceitful of you to post such a corrupt version of John 1:14. The verse does NOT actually say "became" flesh; it says the Word was MADE flesh.

John 1:1 In the Beginning was the Word (Truth - in Hebrew is Nazir), and the Truth was with THE God (NOT with Lucifer/Satan the Devil), and the Word WAS God.

John 1:14 And the Word was MADE flesh (incarnated), and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only incarnated of the Father) full of Grace and Truth (Nazir in Hebrew).

Do the above verses in any way claim that Jesus IS God? No.

IF John 1:1 is read properly, i.e. honestly and with an open-mind, the term "Jesus" isn't in it at all, either directly or by inference.

Only when one WRONGLY ASSUMES that they can substitute “Jesus” into BOTH John 1:14 AND John 1:1 (when “Jesus” doesn't appear in either verse) for the term “the Word”, can one misinterpret those two very simple and easy to understand verses.

Please see the following link for an example of the false logic you're using to read something into John 1:1 which simply isn't there.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/111/Illicit_Substitution_of_Identicals

An illicit substitution is one of the many forms of non sequitur logical fallacies, i.e. faulty deductions that simply do not logically follow from the information at hand.

Bearing this in mind, please consider there are at least 4 different ways that God's Word is referred to, or defined as, in the Bible.

a) The Word of the "I AM" came to the Prophets/God's Messengers by vision/dream (telepathically).

b) The Word of the "I AM" was verbally spoken by the Prophets/God's Messengers.

c) The Word of the "I AM" was recorded in writing by the Prophets/God's Messengers (including the Disciples and Apostles), in what we refer to as the Bible (the written Word of God).

d) The Word of the "I AM" was also MADE into a flesh and blood example for us (The Way - John 14:6), in the form of the human+Being Jesus+Christ.

By substituting the four different forms in which the Word was delivered from God to us listed above, John 1:1 would read as follows:-

In [the] beginning was the vision/dream, and the vision/dream was with THE God, and the vision/dream was God.

In [the] beginning was the spoken Word, and the spoken Word was with THE God, and the spoken Word was God.

In [the] beginning was the Bible, and the Bible was with THE God, and God was the Bible.

In [the] beginning was Jesus, and Jesus was with THE God, and Jesus was God.

Hopefully the fundamental flaw in these types of illicit substitutions is self-evident, but just in case it isn't, please consider the following insurmountable difficulties in claiming Jesus is God:-

1) Clearly God was NOT a vision, even if that vision came from Him. It was the TRUTH of that vision that was, since the beginning, with God and was God, because God IS the TRUTH and, unlike satan and humans, God cannot lie.

2) Clearly God was NOT a verbal message, even if that verbal message was His Word, being delivered by His Messengers. It was the TRUTH contained within that verbal message that was, since the beginning, with God and was God, because God IS the TRUTH and, unlike satan and humans, God cannot lie.

3) Clearly God was NOT a book, even if that book was the Bible. It was the TRUTH contained within the Bible that was, since the beginning, with God and was God, because God IS the TRUTH and, unlike satan and humans, God cannot lie.

4) It therefore LOGICALLY follows that God was NOT Jesus, even if Jesus was the flesh and blood example God gave us. It was the TRUTH that Jesus spoke and did that was, since the beginning, with God and was God, because God IS the TRUTH and, unlike satan and humans, God cannot lie.

5) How could anyone be WITH someone at the same time they were that someone? No one claims some part of them was “with them” (my head was with me) nor would anyone claim to be with themselves (I was with me), except in jest (clowning around).

6) There is also a tense problem with John 1:1 that is being ignored, which likewise proves the illicit substitution of “Jesus” for "the Word" in that verse simply does NOT work. The last phrase of the verse is as follows:

“...and the Word WAS God” (or “...Jesus WAS God” – past tense).

IF Jesus actually IS God, then ALL of the verb tenses in John 1:1 should be present tense, NOT past tense. But that is NOT what it says, is it? "Jesus WAS God", is clearly PAST TENSE.

It seems noteworthy that the "tense blindness" is not only misapplied in John 1:1, but in the other verse "Christians" routinely quote as evidence that Jesus allegedly claimed to be God: John 8:58 KJV (John 8:49 King of kings' Bible).

Where using the illicit substitution in John 1:1 ignores the past tense reference ("Jesus WAS God") that proves its error, John 8:58 KJV ignores the fact that the present tense form of "to be" is used because using the past tense form would indicate Christ (speaking through the mouth of Jesus - see John 8:14, John 17:5, John 18:36) no longer existed (it's "I am going to live forever", NOT "I was going to live forever", the latter of which would mean that is no longer going to happen).

7) And finally, to further illustrate how absurd this substitution idea really is, please consider how substituting both the pagan Babylonian/Roman “trinity” and the Son Jesus into John 1:1 would render that verse:-

John 1:1 In [the] beginning was the Word, and the Word was with THE God, and the Word was God.

...would become...

John 1:1 In [the] beginning was the Son Jesus, and the Son Jesus was with THE Father, Son Jesus and the Holy Spirit, and the Son Jesus was the Father, Son Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

Which should leave no reasonable doubt in any rationally-minded human+Being that Jesus is NOT God.

We would also need to believe these verses written by John supposedly contradict Christ telling us unequivocally HUNDREDS of times that He is NOT God.

John 17:3 And THIS is Life Eternal, that they might KNOW Thee the ONLY True God, AND Christ the Saviour, whom Thou hast SENT.

Who Jesus really WAS, was explained in great detail by Christ Himself when He was here in the body of Jesus. Jesus was the mortal human Son born of the virgin body of Mary, Who WAS definitely OF this world (and descended from the line of David). Hence His designation as “the Son of Man” (of, i.e. descended FROM man).

Christ, which means “the Anointed One” (same as Messiah does in Hebrew or Mahdi does in Arabic) IS the Firstborn Son of God (Rom. 8:29, Col. 1:15, Rev. 3:14), Who is an IMMORTAL Spirit-Being and definitely is NOT OF THIS WORLD (John 8:14, 17:5, 18:36).

2000 years ago, when Christ incarnated Jesus (John 1:14), They became the human+Being known as Jesus+Christ. The human body of Jesus is now long-gone. Which is why Christ prophesied that during His Second Coming, He (Christ) will be here in a NEW BODY (from Joseph-Ephraim - Gen. 49:10, 22-24) with a NEW NAME (Rev. 2:17, 3:12, 19:12).

We have the Word of THE ONE TRUE GOD (the "I AM) on that (Deut. 6:4, Zech. 14:9, Mark 12:29).

John 10 31At this, the Jews again picked up stones to stone Him. 32But Jesus responded, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone Me?”

33“We are not stoning You for any good work,” said the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because You, who are a man, declare Yourself to be God.”

Do you really believe this is proof of anything except the ignorance of those who were falsely accusing Christ of claiming to be God (as you are doing)? They people were so insane they were trying to kill Jesus!

Matthew 26:63-65
26:63 But Jesus held his peace. And the High Priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the Living God, that thou tell us whether thou be The Christ, the Son OF God.
26:64 Jesus saith unto him, THOU hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of Man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the "Clouds" of heaven.
26:65 Then the High Priest tore his clothes, saying, He hath spoken blasphemy; what further need have we of witnesses? behold, now ye have heard his blasphemy.

Why would you believe the false accusations of these anti-Christ haters over Christ, Who clearly stated HUNDREDS of times that He is NOT God, but merely the Son OF God (of - descended FROM God, MADE/CREATED BY God).

Isn't it time you stop clowning around and seriously start believing Christ instead of your satanic misinterpretations of words Christ did not speak?

If you seriously believe Christ is God (or that Jesus was God), then please provide just ONE verse where Christ claimed to be God. You can't, because there are NONE.

 

[TokiEl]

How deceitful of you to post such a corrupt version of John 1:14. The verse does NOT actually say "became" flesh; it says the Word was MADE flesh.

John 1:1 In the Beginning was the Word (Truth - in Hebrew is Nazir), and the Truth was with THE God (NOT with Lucifer/Satan the Devil), and the Word WAS God.

John 1:14 And the Word was MADE flesh (incarnated), and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only incarnated of the Father) full of Grace and Truth (Nazir in Hebrew).

Do the above verses in any way claim that Jesus IS God? No.

IF John 1:1 is read properly, i.e. honestly and with an open-mind, the term "Jesus" isn't in it at all, either directly or by inference.

Only when one WRONGLY ASSUMES that they can substitute “Jesus” into BOTH John 1:14 AND John 1:1 (when “Jesus” doesn't appear in either verse) for the term “the Word”, can one misinterpret those two very simple and easy to understand verses.

Please see the following link for an example of the false logic you're using to read something into John 1:1 which simply isn't there.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/111/Illicit_Substitution_of_Identicals

An illicit substitution is one of the many forms of non sequitur logical fallacies, i.e. faulty deductions that simply do not logically follow from the information at hand.

Bearing this in mind, please consider there are at least 4 different ways that God's Word is referred to, or defined as, in the Bible.

a) The Word of the "I AM" came to the Prophets/God's Messengers by vision/dream (telepathically).

b) The Word of the "I AM" was verbally spoken by the Prophets/God's Messengers.

c) The Word of the "I AM" was recorded in writing by the Prophets/God's Messengers (including the Disciples and Apostles), in what we refer to as the Bible (the written Word of God).

d) The Word of the "I AM" was also MADE into a flesh and blood example for us (The Way - John 14:6), in the form of the human+Being Jesus+Christ.

By substituting the four different forms in which the Word was delivered from God to us listed above, John 1:1 would read as follows:-

In [the] beginning was the vision/dream, and the vision/dream was with THE God, and the vision/dream was God.

In [the] beginning was the spoken Word, and the spoken Word was with THE God, and the spoken Word was God.

In [the] beginning was the Bible, and the Bible was with THE God, and God was the Bible.

In [the] beginning was Jesus, and Jesus was with THE God, and Jesus was God.

Hopefully the fundamental flaw in these types of illicit substitutions is self-evident, but just in case it isn't, please consider the following insurmountable difficulties in claiming Jesus is God:-

1) Clearly God was NOT a vision, even if that vision came from Him. It was the TRUTH of that vision that was, since the beginning, with God and was God, because God IS the TRUTH and, unlike satan and humans, God cannot lie.

2) Clearly God was NOT a verbal message, even if that verbal message was His Word, being delivered by His Messengers. It was the TRUTH contained within that verbal message that was, since the beginning, with God and was God, because God IS the TRUTH and, unlike satan and humans, God cannot lie.

3) Clearly God was NOT a book, even if that book was the Bible. It was the TRUTH contained within the Bible that was, since the beginning, with God and was God, because God IS the TRUTH and, unlike satan and humans, God cannot lie.

4) It therefore LOGICALLY follows that God was NOT Jesus, even if Jesus was the flesh and blood example God gave us. It was the TRUTH that Jesus spoke and did that was, since the beginning, with God and was God, because God IS the TRUTH and, unlike satan and humans, God cannot lie.

5) How could anyone be WITH someone at the same time they were that someone? No one claims some part of them was “with them” (my head was with me) nor would anyone claim to be with themselves (I was with me), except in jest (clowning around).

6) There is also a tense problem with John 1:1 that is being ignored, which likewise proves the illicit substitution of “Jesus” for "the Word" in that verse simply does NOT work. The last phrase of the verse is as follows:

“...and the Word WAS God” (or “...Jesus WAS God” – past tense).

IF Jesus actually IS God, then ALL of the verb tenses in John 1:1 should be present tense, NOT past tense. But that is NOT what it says, is it? "Jesus WAS God", is clearly PAST TENSE.

It seems noteworthy that the "tense blindness" is not only misapplied in John 1:1, but in the other verse "Christians" routinely quote as evidence that Jesus allegedly claimed to be God: John 8:58 KJV (John 8:49 King of kings' Bible).

Where using the illicit substitution in John 1:1 ignores the past tense reference ("Jesus WAS God") that proves its error, John 8:58 KJV ignores the fact that the present tense form of "to be" is used because using the past tense form would indicate Christ (speaking through the mouth of Jesus - see John 8:14, John 17:5, John 18:36) no longer existed (it's "I am going to live forever", NOT "I was going to live forever", the latter of which would mean that is no longer going to happen).

7) And finally, to further illustrate how absurd this substitution idea really is, please consider how substituting both the pagan Babylonian/Roman “trinity” and the Son Jesus into John 1:1 would render that verse:-

John 1:1 In [the] beginning was the Word, and the Word was with THE God, and the Word was God.

...would become...

John 1:1 In [the] beginning was the Son Jesus, and the Son Jesus was with THE Father, Son Jesus and the Holy Spirit, and the Son Jesus was the Father, Son Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

Which should leave no reasonable doubt in any rationally-minded human+Being that Jesus is NOT God.

We would also need to believe these verses written by John supposedly contradict Christ telling us unequivocally HUNDREDS of times that He is NOT God.

John 17:3 And THIS is Life Eternal, that they might KNOW Thee the ONLY True God, AND Christ the Saviour, whom Thou hast SENT.

Who Jesus really WAS, was explained in great detail by Christ Himself when He was here in the body of Jesus. Jesus was the mortal human Son born of the virgin body of Mary, Who WAS definitely OF this world (and descended from the line of David). Hence His designation as “the Son of Man” (of, i.e. descended FROM man).

Christ, which means “the Anointed One” (same as Messiah does in Hebrew or Mahdi does in Arabic) IS the Firstborn Son of God (Rom. 8:29, Col. 1:15, Rev. 3:14), Who is an IMMORTAL Spirit-Being and definitely is NOT OF THIS WORLD (John 8:14, 17:5, 18:36).

2000 years ago, when Christ incarnated Jesus (John 1:14), They became the human+Being known as Jesus+Christ. The human body of Jesus is now long-gone. Which is why Christ prophesied that during His Second Coming, He (Christ) will be here in a NEW BODY (from Joseph-Ephraim - Gen. 49:10, 22-24) with a NEW NAME (Rev. 2:17, 3:12, 19:12).

We have the Word of THE ONE TRUE GOD (the "I AM) on that (Deut. 6:4, Zech. 14:9, Mark 12:29).


Do you really believe this is proof of anything except the ignorance of those who were falsely accusing Christ of claiming to be God (as you are doing)? They people were so insane they were trying to kill Jesus!

Matthew 26:63-65
26:63 But Jesus held his peace. And the High Priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the Living God, that thou tell us whether thou be The Christ, the Son OF God.
26:64 Jesus saith unto him, THOU hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of Man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the "Clouds" of heaven.
26:65 Then the High Priest tore his clothes, saying, He hath spoken blasphemy; what further need have we of witnesses? behold, now ye have heard his blasphemy.

Why would you believe the false accusations of these anti-Christ haters over Christ, Who clearly stated HUNDREDS of times that He is NOT God, but merely the Son OF God (of - descended FROM God, MADE/CREATED BY God).

Isn't it time you stop clowning around and seriously start believing Christ instead of your satanic misinterpretations of words Christ did not speak?

If you seriously believe Christ is God (or that Jesus was God), then please provide just ONE verse where Christ claimed to be God. You can't, because there are NONE.

I truly can't be bothered to read long posts from people who mix God's writ with the devil's drivel.


You keep chirping about God being I AM and Truth.

John 8 58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”

John 14 6Jesus answered, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.



It's impossible to read God's writ and not come to the conclusion that Jesus is part of the GodHead.

 

[A Freeman]

God is THE HEAD OF US ALL, including Christ. There is no other Godhead, which is certainly not some pagan 3=1 deity.

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.

Of course Christ said the same thing repeatedly.

John 10:29 MY FATHER, which gave [them] me, IS GREATER THAN ALL; and no [man] is able to pluck [them] out of my Father's hand.

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for MY FATHER IS GREATER THAN I.

John 13:16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; NEITHER HE THAT IS SENT GREATER THAN HE THAT SENT HIM.

References in the Gospels to Christ being sent by God (52):-

Matthew (3): 10:40, 15:24, 21:37

Mark (2): 9:37, 12:6

Luke (6): 4:18, 4:26, 4:43, 9:48, 10:16, 20:13

John (41): 3:17, 3:34, 4:34, 5:23, 5:24, 5:30, 5:36, 5:37, 5:38, 6:29, 6:38, 6:39, 6:40, 6:44, 6:57, 7:16, 7:28, 7:29, 7:33, 8:7, 8:9, 8:17, 8:20, 8:33, 9:4, 10:36, 11:42, 12:44, 12:45, 12:49, 13:16, 13:20, 14:24, 15:21, 16:5, 17:3, 17:18, 17:21, 17:23, 17:25, 20:21

There's at least 55 times we're told that Christ isn't God. Christ only claimed to be the Son OF God, something He likewise did multiple times.

References to Christ as the Son OF God (50)

Matthew (9): 4:3, 4:6, 8:29, 14:33, 16:16, 26:63, 27:40, 27:43, 27:54

Mark (5): 1:1, 3:11, 5:7, 14:61, 15:39

Luke (7): 1:32, 1:35, 4:3, 4:9, 4:41, 8:28, 22:70

John (11): 1:34, 1:49, 3:18, 5:25, 6:69, 9:35, 10:36, 11:4, 11:27, 19:7, 20:30

Acts (2): 8:37, 9:20

Books with single references (5): Galatians 2:20, 2 Corinthians 1:19, Romans 1:4, Ephesians 4:13, Revelation 2:18

Hebrews (4): 4:14, 6:6, 7:3, 10:29

1 John (7): 3:8, 4:15, 5:5, 5:10, 5:12, 5:13, 5:20

Also, three of the references to Christ being the literal Son of God refer to Him as the Son of THE Most High or THE Highest. Further, there are at least three more references made by Father to His Anointed (His Christ) as His Son.

Mark 5:7 And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, [thou] Son OF the Most High God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.

Luke 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son OF the Highest: and THE LORD God his Father shall give unto him the Throne of David:

Luke 8:28 When he saw Jesus, he cried out, and fell down before him, and with a loud voice said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, [thou] Son of God most high? I beseech thee, torment me not.

References to "God the Son"? ZERO.

Jesus+Christ also said no less than seven times that Father (God, the "I AM") is His Father and God.

Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, MY GOD, MY GOD, why hast Thou forsaken me? (Eno. 89:20; Psalm 22; Isaiah 52:13 to 54:1; Sura 4:157-8.)

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto MY FATHER, and your Father; AND [to] MY GOD, and your God.

Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in The Temple of MY GOD, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of MY GOD, and the name of the city of MY GOD, [which is] New Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from MY GOD: and [I will write upon him] my NEW name.

Jesus also referred to Himself as “the Son of Man” over 80 times, proving He couldn't possibly be claiming to be God, as Father (Who IS God) made it crystal clear He is NOT, and NEVER will be the “son of man”.

Numbers 23:19 GOD [IS] NOT A MAN, that He should lie; NEITHER THE SON OF MAN, that He should repent: hath He said, and shall He not do [it]? or hath He spoken, and shall He not make it good (i.e. God is omnipotent – Christ, by His own admission, is NOT omnipotent – John 5:30)?

Jesus referring to Himself as the “Son of Man” (at least 81 times):-

Matthew (30): 8:20, 9:6, 10:23, 11:19, 12:8, 12:32, 12:40, 13:37, 13:41, 16:13, 16:27, 16:28, 17:9, 17:12, 17:22, 18:11, 19:28, 20:18, 20:28, 24:27, 24:30, 24:37, 24:39, 24:44, 25:13, 25:31, 26:2, 26:24, 26:45, 26:64

Mark (14): 2:10, 2:28, 8:31, 8:38, 9:9, 9:12, 9:31, 10:33, 10:45, 13:26, 13:34, 14:21, 14:41, 14:62,

Luke (26): 5:24, 6:4, 6:22, 7:34, 9:22, 9:26, 9:44, 9:56, 9:58, 11:30, 12:8, 12:10, 12:40, 17:22, 17:24, 17:26, 17:30, 18:8, 18:31, 19:10, 21:27, 21:36, 22:22, 22:48, 22:69, 24:7

John (11): 1:51, 3:13, 3:14, 5:27, 6:27, 6:53, 6:62, 8:19, 12:23, 12:34, 13:31

Anyone who mistakenly thinks that Jesus is/was God is calling Christ-Jesus a liar, and is obviously working for Satan (the Opposer), as Christ told us repeatedly that He is NOT God and that His Father is His (Christ's) God, just as Father is our God.

Christ is the TRUTH (John 14:6) SENT by Father (God) IN THE FLESH (John 1:14), i.e. as the “Son of Man”. Christ is NOT a liar, as “trinitarians” and those who falsely claim Jesus is God would have you believe.

Believe Christ instead of believing in lies about Him.

 

[TokiEl]

God is THE HEAD OF US ALL, including Christ. There is no other Godhead, which is certainly not some pagan 3=1 deity.

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.

Of course Christ said the same thing repeatedly.

John 10:29 MY FATHER, which gave [them] me, IS GREATER THAN ALL; and no [man] is able to pluck [them] out of my Father's hand.

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for MY FATHER IS GREATER THAN I.

John 13:16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; NEITHER HE THAT IS SENT GREATER THAN HE THAT SENT HIM.

References in the Gospels to Christ being sent by God (52):-

Matthew (3): 10:40, 15:24, 21:37

Mark (2): 9:37, 12:6

Luke (6): 4:18, 4:26, 4:43, 9:48, 10:16, 20:13

John (41): 3:17, 3:34, 4:34, 5:23, 5:24, 5:30, 5:36, 5:37, 5:38, 6:29, 6:38, 6:39, 6:40, 6:44, 6:57, 7:16, 7:28, 7:29, 7:33, 8:7, 8:9, 8:17, 8:20, 8:33, 9:4, 10:36, 11:42, 12:44, 12:45, 12:49, 13:16, 13:20, 14:24, 15:21, 16:5, 17:3, 17:18, 17:21, 17:23, 17:25, 20:21

There's at least 55 times we're told that Christ isn't God. Christ only claimed to be the Son OF God, something He likewise did multiple times.

References to Christ as the Son OF God (50)

Matthew (9): 4:3, 4:6, 8:29, 14:33, 16:16, 26:63, 27:40, 27:43, 27:54

Mark (5): 1:1, 3:11, 5:7, 14:61, 15:39

Luke (7): 1:32, 1:35, 4:3, 4:9, 4:41, 8:28, 22:70

John (11): 1:34, 1:49, 3:18, 5:25, 6:69, 9:35, 10:36, 11:4, 11:27, 19:7, 20:30

Acts (2): 8:37, 9:20

Books with single references (5): Galatians 2:20, 2 Corinthians 1:19, Romans 1:4, Ephesians 4:13, Revelation 2:18

Hebrews (4): 4:14, 6:6, 7:3, 10:29

1 John (7): 3:8, 4:15, 5:5, 5:10, 5:12, 5:13, 5:20

Also, three of the references to Christ being the literal Son of God refer to Him as the Son of THE Most High or THE Highest. Further, there are at least three more references made by Father to His Anointed (His Christ) as His Son.

Mark 5:7 And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, [thou] Son OF the Most High God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.

Luke 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son OF the Highest: and THE LORD God his Father shall give unto him the Throne of David:

Luke 8:28 When he saw Jesus, he cried out, and fell down before him, and with a loud voice said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, [thou] Son of God most high? I beseech thee, torment me not.

References to "God the Son"? ZERO.

Jesus+Christ also said no less than seven times that Father (God, the "I AM") is His Father and God.

Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, MY GOD, MY GOD, why hast Thou forsaken me? (Eno. 89:20; Psalm 22; Isaiah 52:13 to 54:1; Sura 4:157-8.)

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto MY FATHER, and your Father; AND [to] MY GOD, and your God.

Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in The Temple of MY GOD, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of MY GOD, and the name of the city of MY GOD, [which is] New Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from MY GOD: and [I will write upon him] my NEW name.

Jesus also referred to Himself as “the Son of Man” over 80 times, proving He couldn't possibly be claiming to be God, as Father (Who IS God) made it crystal clear He is NOT, and NEVER will be the “son of man”.

Numbers 23:19 GOD [IS] NOT A MAN, that He should lie; NEITHER THE SON OF MAN, that He should repent: hath He said, and shall He not do [it]? or hath He spoken, and shall He not make it good (i.e. God is omnipotent – Christ, by His own admission, is NOT omnipotent – John 5:30)?

Jesus referring to Himself as the “Son of Man” (at least 81 times):-

Matthew (30): 8:20, 9:6, 10:23, 11:19, 12:8, 12:32, 12:40, 13:37, 13:41, 16:13, 16:27, 16:28, 17:9, 17:12, 17:22, 18:11, 19:28, 20:18, 20:28, 24:27, 24:30, 24:37, 24:39, 24:44, 25:13, 25:31, 26:2, 26:24, 26:45, 26:64

Mark (14): 2:10, 2:28, 8:31, 8:38, 9:9, 9:12, 9:31, 10:33, 10:45, 13:26, 13:34, 14:21, 14:41, 14:62,

Luke (26): 5:24, 6:4, 6:22, 7:34, 9:22, 9:26, 9:44, 9:56, 9:58, 11:30, 12:8, 12:10, 12:40, 17:22, 17:24, 17:26, 17:30, 18:8, 18:31, 19:10, 21:27, 21:36, 22:22, 22:48, 22:69, 24:7

John (11): 1:51, 3:13, 3:14, 5:27, 6:27, 6:53, 6:62, 8:19, 12:23, 12:34, 13:31

Anyone who mistakenly thinks that Jesus is/was God is calling Christ-Jesus a liar, and is obviously working for Satan (the Opposer), as Christ told us repeatedly that He is NOT God and that His Father is His (Christ's) God, just as Father is our God.

Christ is the TRUTH (John 14:6) SENT by Father (God) IN THE FLESH (John 1:14), i.e. as the “Son of Man”. Christ is NOT a liar, as “trinitarians” and those who falsely claim Jesus is God would have you believe.

Believe Christ instead of believing in lies about Him.

You truly do not understand.

And how can you seeing you mix God's writ with the devil's drivel willy nilly.L0L



Acts 5 3Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and withhold some of the proceeds from the land? 4Did it not belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? How could you conceive such a deed in your heart? You have not lied to men, but to God!”

1 Corinthians 2 11For who among men knows the thoughts of man except his own spirit within him? So too, no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.

1 Corinthians 3 16Do you not know that you yourselves are God’s temple, and that God’s Spirit dwells in you?

John 15 26When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father— the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father— He will testify about Me.



Also the Holy spirit is God.

And the Holy spirit who is also God is sent by Jesus Christ who is also God.


You are a walking talking trinity man composed of body soul and spirit clowning around about God not being Trinity too.

 

[A Freeman]

You truly do not understand.

And how can you seeing you mix God's writ with the devil's drivel willy nilly.L0L



Acts 5 3Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and withhold some of the proceeds from the land? 4Did it not belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? How could you conceive such a deed in your heart? You have not lied to men, but to God!”

1 Corinthians 2 11For who among men knows the thoughts of man except his own spirit within him? So too, no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.

1 Corinthians 3 16Do you not know that you yourselves are God’s temple, and that God’s Spirit dwells in you?

John 15 26When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father— the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father— He will testify about Me.



Also the Holy spirit is God.

And the Holy spirit who is also God is sent by Jesus Christ who is also God.


You are a walking talking trinity man composed of body soul and spirit clowning around about God not being Trinity too.

Who are you trying to convince of your anti-Christ message? Yourself perhaps?

 

[LittleLady]

I only said that I was sent to the lost sheep of Israel. I didn’t say anything about being a savior. Christians read way to much off into things. That’s how you get all confused with the word. Just go by what it said. Don’t assume, project, speculate......You are so caught up in the nonsense that I can’t bring to you simple messages from the words of The Most High God without you automatically assuming I’m trying to be a savior or offer up my blood for you....lol chill.

Yeshua is the one that was sent to the lost sheep of Israel clearly stated in Matthew 15:24 and if you're putting yourself on his place, then you're committing idolatry. If you claim you were sent to the lost sheep of Israel, that would mean you were sent with the role of Yeshua, which isn't true, so don't speak such things.

Once again, I am not a Christian. My title is being an Israelite from the Tribe of Judah.

And then you quickly start telling me I shouldn't assume, speculate, etc etc in a panic like I'm the one that did something wrong, when really, you did, which is why you hysterically told me to not assume anything.

 

[Yahda]

Yeshua is the one that was sent to the lost sheep of Israel clearly stated in Matthew 15:24 and if you're putting yourself on his place, then you're committing idolatry. If you claim you were sent to the lost sheep of Israel, that would mean you were sent with the role of Yeshua, which isn't true, so don't speak such things.

Once again, I am not a Christian. My title is being an Israelite from the Tribe of Judah.

And then you quickly start telling me I shouldn't assume, speculate, etc etc in a panic like I'm the one that did something wrong, when really, you did, which is why you hysterically told me to not assume anything.

If you follow the teachings of Christ you are a Christian, a Christ follower. You are still neck deep in the same old same old little do you know. So to me you are a Christian. There is nothing that separates you from them. Who would recognize the difference?

 

[LittleLady]

If you follow the teachings of Christ you are a Christian, a Christ follower. You are still neck deep in the same old same old little do you know. So to me you are a Christian. There is nothing that separates you from them. Who would recognize the difference?

You're supposed to worship and obey the laws of God, and you're also supposed to listen NOT WORSHIP but listen to the teachings of his son, so that whenever you sin, you can repent and go back to obeying the laws of God. It's not that hard to understand.

 

[Tidal]

You're supposed to worship and obey the laws of God, and you're also supposed to listen NOT WORSHIP but listen to the teachings of his son, so that whenever you sin, you can repent and go back to obeying the laws of God. It's not that hard to understand.

Some people think they can freely sin all the time but that it'll be alright because they can repent afterwards and say "sorry" to God.
For example the IRA used to blow up men women and children then pop down the church to confess to their catholic priest.
Then they'd go home and start making another bomb.

For example one of their bombs went off in my home town of Leicester (england) in 1990, we lived 3 miles away and it rattled our windows and woke up our cat but miraculously nobody was hurt.
If I ever meet an IRA paddy I'd like to ask him "what the hell had our cat done to upset the IRA?"

 

[Artful Revealer]

You're supposed to worship and obey the laws of God, and you're also supposed to listen NOT WORSHIP but listen to the teachings of his son, so that whenever you sin, you can repent and go back to obeying the laws of God. It's not that hard to understand.

Who is the Law for?

 

[A Freeman]

Deuteronomy 29:9-15
29:9 Keep therefore the words of this Covenant, and DO them, that ye may prosper in all that ye do.
29:10 Ye stand this day all of you before the "I AM" your God; your captains of your tribes, your elders, and your officers, [with] all the men of Israel,
29:11 Your little ones, your wives, and thy stranger that [is] in thy camp, from the hewer of thy wood unto the drawer of thy water:
29:12 That thou shouldest enter into Covenant with the "I AM" thy God, and into His Oath, which the "I AM" thy God maketh with thee this day:
29:13 That He may establish thee to day for a people unto Himself, and [that] He may be unto thee a God, as He hath said unto thee, and as He hath sworn unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob/Israel.
29:14 Neither with you only do I make this Covenant and this Oath;
29:15 But with [him] that standeth here with us this day before the "I AM" our God, and also with [him] that [is] not here with us this day [thy children, in PERPETUITY]:

 

[Artful Revealer]

1 Timothy 1

8 We know that the law is good if one uses it properly.
9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for the lawless and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers,
10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine
11 that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.

 

[A Freeman]

Further confirmation that The Law is for everyone, and those who continue in sin/breaking The Law WILL NOT SURVIVE (Mal. 4):-

Romans 3:10-12
3:10 As it is written (Ps. 53:1-3), There is none righteous, no, not one:
3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God (Luke 18:8).
3:12 They are all gone out of The Way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also The Law: for sin is the transgression of The Law.

Ezekiel 18:4, 20
18:4 Behold, all souls are Mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is Mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall DIE.

18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall DIE. The son shall not bear the inequity of the father, neither shall the father bear the inequity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] DEATH (Eze. 18:4); but the gift of God [is] eternal Life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and ALL LIARS, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with Fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Which is why it says in The Law:-

Deuteronomy 30:15-20
30:15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;
30:16 In that I command thee this day to love the "I AM" thy God, to walk in His Ways, and to keep His Commandments and His Statutes and His Judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the "I AM" thy God shall bless thee in the land where thou goest to possess it.
30:17 But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them;
30:18 I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, [and that] ye shall not prolong [your] days upon the land, where thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.
30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, [that] I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
30:20 That thou mayest love the "I AM" thy God, [and] that thou mayest obey His voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto Him: for He [is] thy Life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the "I AM" sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob/Israel, to give them.

 

[TokiEl]

1 Timothy 1

8 We know that the law is good if one uses it properly.
9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for the lawless and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers,
10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine
11 that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.

1 Tim 1 12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord who has enabled me, because He counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry, 13 although I was formerly a blasphemer, a persecutor, and an insolent man; but I obtained mercy because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.



Paul was a pharisee who persecuted christians... because he thought he did God a favor.

But when the risen Christ manifested to him... Paul understood he was lacking in understanding.

 

[Lyfe]

Further confirmation that The Law is for everyone, and those who continue in sin/breaking The Law WILL NOT SURVIVE (Mal. 4):-

Romans 3:10-12
3:10 As it is written (Ps. 53:1-3), There is none righteous, no, not one:
3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God (Luke 18:8).
3:12 They are all gone out of The Way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also The Law: for sin is the transgression of The Law.

Ezekiel 18:4, 20
18:4 Behold, all souls are Mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is Mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall DIE.

18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall DIE. The son shall not bear the inequity of the father, neither shall the father bear the inequity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] DEATH (Eze. 18:4); but the gift of God [is] eternal Life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and ALL LIARS, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with Fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Which is why it says in The Law:-

Deuteronomy 30:15-20
30:15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;
30:16 In that I command thee this day to love the "I AM" thy God, to walk in His Ways, and to keep His Commandments and His Statutes and His Judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the "I AM" thy God shall bless thee in the land where thou goest to possess it.
30:17 But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them;
30:18 I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, [and that] ye shall not prolong [your] days upon the land, where thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.
30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, [that] I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
30:20 That thou mayest love the "I AM" thy God, [and] that thou mayest obey His voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto Him: for He [is] thy Life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the "I AM" sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob/Israel, to give them.

Further confirmation that The Law is for everyone, and those who continue in sin/breaking The Law WILL NOT SURVIVE (Mal. 4):-

Romans 3:10-12
3:10 As it is written (Ps. 53:1-3), There is none righteous, no, not one:
3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God (Luke 18:8).
3:12 They are all gone out of The Way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also The Law: for sin is the transgression of The Law.

Ezekiel 18:4, 20
18:4 Behold, all souls are Mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is Mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall DIE.

18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall DIE. The son shall not bear the inequity of the father, neither shall the father bear the inequity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] DEATH (Eze. 18:4); but the gift of God [is] eternal Life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and ALL LIARS, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with Fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Which is why it says in The Law:-

Deuteronomy 30:15-20
30:15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;
30:16 In that I command thee this day to love the "I AM" thy God, to walk in His Ways, and to keep His Commandments and His Statutes and His Judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the "I AM" thy God shall bless thee in the land where thou goest to possess it.
30:17 But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them;
30:18 I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, [and that] ye shall not prolong [your] days upon the land, where thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.
30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, [that] I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
30:20 That thou mayest love the "I AM" thy God, [and] that thou mayest obey His voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto Him: for He [is] thy Life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the "I AM" sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob/Israel, to give them.

That is correct that there is not one righteous, but that passage is speaking in regards to every saint before their conversion in Christ as well as their status with God apart from his imputed righteousness. Biblically speaking if someone is in Christ they are declared as righteous through faith as Abraham was.

I have asked you, but you have never given me an answer before... Do you keep the law or are you a lawbreaker? There is no in between. If you sin once you violate the entire law.

Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all.

 

[A Freeman]

That is correct that there is not one righteous, but that passage is speaking in regards to every saint before their conversion in Christ as well as their status with God apart from his imputed righteousness. Biblically speaking if someone is in Christ they are declared as righteous through faith as Abraham was.

There is no way to be "in" Christ and to know Christ without keeping The Law. Anyone who claims otherwise is a liar, and the truth is not in them.

I have asked you, but you have never given me an answer before... Do you keep the law or are you a lawbreaker?

You've been answered previously, more than once, but continue to ask the same question over and over. Yes, The Law is personally kept.

There is no in between. If you sin once you violate the entire law.

Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all.

Then stop sinning/breaking The Law, and help Christ reinstate it everywhere, as we are COMMANDED to do.

Anyone who knows Father (God) knows there is a difference between someone striving to keep The Law who thankfully receives correction for something they may have unwittingly been doing that was unlawful, and someone who willfully breaks The Law knowing what they're doing is wrong. James 2:10 is speaking to the latter, whereas 1 John 2:1 is speaking to the former.

If you are hoping to start some satanic argument about why we don't have to obey God and His Law, save it, because it isn't helping anyone, least of all you (Matt. 5:19). The Master/Teacher (Christ) came to destroy sin (the works of the devil), not to multiply evil.

 

[LittleLady]

That is correct that there is not one righteous, but that passage is speaking in regards to every saint before their conversion in Christ as well as their status with God apart from his imputed righteousness. Biblically speaking if someone is in Christ they are declared as righteous through faith as Abraham was.

I have asked you, but you have never given me an answer before... Do you keep the law or are you a lawbreaker? There is no in between. If you sin once you violate the entire law.

Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all.

And that is why God said he would give mercy to his people, because he knows they can't keep all 613 laws. I already explained this, Lyfe, but it seems like you really just want to prove your point.

One of the laws is to not eat unclean food. Look around! Literally almost every food we eat are unclean, look at the ingredients of whatever you have and tell me there's no chemicals in it.

One of the laws is to not eat pork. What if there was a homeless Israelite who was starving and was offered pork? They'd have no choice but to eat it in order to live.

One of them state that a woman on her menstrual cycle is unclean, and whatever she sits/lays on becomes unclean. So, do we just stand up? What if we're in pain, and extremely tired? This is also one female Israelites can't help with.

Some of them talk about killing lambs, well that's unnecessary now since we're able to repent instead of sacrificing those things. Even if we had to, what if some Israelites don't live anywhere near a place where lambs dwell?

One of them is, "Do not eat what dies of itself or is killed by wild beasts," what if there's poor Israelites needing to survive and they stumble upon an animal who died from dehydration or was ripped apart by wolves or something? What if some meat we get from our local grocery stores- the animal was originally killed in a torturous way by human butchers?

One of them is, "Help a stranger/your brother who has a fallen animal," what if they don't want my help and successfully helps their animal just before I can help them? That wouldn't be my fault.

Etc etc.

In conclusion, this is why God will have grace on Israel as said in Isaiah Chapter 14 because he knows we're living in a babylonian society, and it's pretty much impossible to keep all laws, that is why we're able to repent, and just follow as many laws as we possibly can.