The TRUE BIBLICAL TRUTH; Esau will fall, Jacob will rise

[Resistor]

No I’m not in the satanic operation called Israel, I’d be ashamed to be a Jew and have the most horrific state in history expressing their religion of hatred and atheism in the name of my religion but that’s just me

Yeah I hate Zionism too but what can you do? they are in allegiance with the US, have been for a long time, they're trying to get their own ends. It's not the Zion sanctioned by God, which only comes from us following the Torah as a collective.

Atheist Jews are not part of the covenant, they are transgressors against the Torah. They do not have YHWH's blessing, they don't love YHWH.

 

[lightseeker]

Yeah I hate Zionism too but what can you do? they are in allegiance with the US, have been for a long time, they're trying to get their own ends. It's not the Zion sanctioned by God, which only comes from us following the Torah as a collective.

Atheist Jews are not part of the covenant, they are transgressors against the Torah. They do not have YHWH's blessing, they don't love YHWH.

Do you believe non Jews are humans?

 

[Resistor]

Do you believe non Jews are humans?

No they're humans, what a weird question. Humans are obviously humans. Like I know certain Christian hysteria about the Talmud but really dude, really?

If you want Jesus' words though towards Gentiles check this out:

Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon.
A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.”
Jesus did not answer a word.
So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”
He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”
The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.
He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”
“Yes it is, Lord,” she said. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.”
Then Jesus said to her, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed at that moment.

- Matthew 15:21-28

Take that as ye will.

 

[lightseeker]

No they're humans, what a weird question. Humans are obviously humans. Like I know certain Christian hysteria about the Talmud but really dude, really?

If you want Jesus' words though towards Gentiles check this out:

Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon.
A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.”
Jesus did not answer a word.
So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”
He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”
The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.
He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”
“Yes it is, Lord,” she said. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.”
Then Jesus said to her, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed at that moment.

- Matthew 15:21-28

Take that as ye will.

So her wish was granted on the basis of her faith, big whoop. He was talking to the Jew priests because they were the most deluded and bonkers when they were supposed to be a light. Then the message would carry to the world. He wasn’t going to preach to Africa and Brazil was he? He went to Israel

Now there was a man in Jerusalem called Simeon, who was righteous and devout. He was waiting for the consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was on him. 26 It had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not die before he had seen the Lord’s Messiah. 27 Moved by the Spirit, he went into the temple courts. When the parents brought in the child Jesus to do for him what the custom of the Law required, 28 Simeon took him in his arms and praised God, saying:

29 “Sovereign Lord, as you have promised,
you may now dismiss[d] your servant in peace.
30 For my eyes have seen your salvation,
31 which you have prepared in the sight of all nations:
32 a light for revelation to the Gentiles,
and the glory of your people Israel.”

Light to the gentiles, glory for his people. Unfortunately they rejected his teachings.

It says in the Talmud that goyim aren’t human, so the “hysteria” is just. May king saint Louis spirit return to burn the Talmud again! Truly satanic book.

So do you believe people from non Jewish races can find God or no? And if so what makes the Jews different? Or do you believe they are different/better like Jews normally do?

 

[Resistor]

So her wish was granted on the basis of her faith, big whoop. He was talking to the Jew priests because they were the most deluded and bonkers when they were supposed to be a light. Then the message would carry to the world. He wasn’t going to preach to Africa and Brazil was he? He went to Israel

Now there was a man in Jerusalem called Simeon, who was righteous and devout. He was waiting for the consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was on him. 26 It had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not die before he had seen the Lord’s Messiah. 27 Moved by the Spirit, he went into the temple courts. When the parents brought in the child Jesus to do for him what the custom of the Law required, 28 Simeon took him in his arms and praised God, saying:

29 “Sovereign Lord, as you have promised,
you may now dismiss[d] your servant in peace.
30 For my eyes have seen your salvation,
31 which you have prepared in the sight of all nations:
32 a light for revelation to the Gentiles,
and the glory of your people Israel.”

Light to the gentiles, glory for his people. Unfortunately they rejected his teachings.

It says in the Talmud that goyim aren’t human, so the “hysteria” is just. May king saint Louis spirit return to burn the Talmud again! Truly satanic book.

So do you believe people from non Jewish races can find God or no? And if so what makes the Jews different? Or do you believe they are different/better like Jews normally do?

You are full of yourself. Be honest and we can have a real conversation.

 

[lightseeker]

You are full of yourself. Be honest and we can have a real conversation.

Honestly, I want to clear those things up before a real conversation. The other Jews in this thread have displayed what was, in my opinion, a monsterous display of racism and hatred in the name of what they call God. So forgive me if I am hesitant to engage with someone who may or may not consider me human on the basis of my race, and able to connect to God because of my blood

 

[Resistor]

Honestly, I want to clear those things up before a real conversation. The other Jews in this thread have displayed what was, in my opinion, a monsterous display of racism and hatred in the name of what they call God. So forgive me if I am hesitant to engage with someone who may or may not consider me human on the basis of my race, and able to connect to God because of my blood

I'm not of these "Hebrew Israelites", I'm of actual Judaism.

I don't deny them their opinions but disagree that they're Israelites. "Black people" do factor into quite a few parts of the Bible though.
In reality though, even as a Jew, I wish that these "Black people" (I hate calling them that, I prefer to go by their actual ethnicity such as African or Brazilian, etc) would embrace their own native traditions though because they do have incredibly legacies that go unrecognized, plus they have wonderful folk and shamanic tradition.

They're free to follow the Torah though (and which I would encourage them, to do it properly).


Honestly, so far in my interactions with you, you have come off as incredibly pompous, arrogant in self-righteous, ignorant also (the same stupid evangelical anti-Jew things, completely out of context, completely stupid).
Talking to you has been like asking a brick wall to recite Shakespeare. If there is nothing else to discuss, I will not be replying.
May HaShem bless you with the truth.

 

[lightseeker]

I'm not of these "Hebrew Israelites", I'm of actual Judaism.

I don't deny them their opinions but disagree that they're Israelites. "Black people" do factor into quite a few parts of the Bible though.
In reality though, even as a Jew, I wish that these "Black people" (I hate calling them that, I prefer to go by their actual ethnicity such as African or Brazilian, etc) would embrace their own native traditions though because they do have incredibly legacies that go unrecognized, plus they have wonderful folk and shamanic tradition.

They're free to follow the Torah though (and which I would encourage them, to do it properly).


Honestly, so far in my interactions with you, you have come off as incredibly pompous, arrogant in self-righteous, ignorant also (the same stupid evangelical anti-Jew things, completely out of context, completely stupid).
Talking to you has been like asking a brick wall to recite Shakespeare. If there is nothing else to discuss, I will not be replying.
May HaShem bless you with the truth.

So you can’t tell me if people not from the Jewish race can find God? Typical

 

[Resistor]

So you can’t tell me if people not from the Jewish race can find God? Typical

Why do you need me to? there are many passages in the Tanakh which explicitly say this. Not only that but it says the whole world, Jew and Gentile, will be redeemed in the end times.
And at that, I think there is a massive problem with you if you are under the impression that a Jew who doesn't believe in God and transgresses the Torah has any favor with God. If you think so, then you are kidding yourself. A righteous Jew and a righteous Gentile stand hand in hand in the tabernacle of the most high.
It is on us to bring the whole world to God, but as you should know, most Jews are not Torah-observant and not pious. Without embodying the grace and mercy of the Torah, the world will not find it's reconciliation. All nations will be saved, all peoples, all races. The thing you don't get is that Jews have a burden on our backs, we keep dodging our task commanded by God to Moses. But this was prophesied against us by Moses. We have to realize the love and wisdom of the Torah.

 

[shankara]

Well, it was hard for me to believe at first too, but now I just accept that. Some people just can't accept the truth like the ones that are continuously coming back to this thread just to claim how wrong I am.

So are you saying God is evil just for choosing a specific group to be his people? That doesn't even make sense. Are YOU evil for choosing a specific type of ice cream flavor out of the many ice cream flavors? Don't think so. I don't see any concern for myself being with the Most High, the King of Israel, and my brothers and sisters for eternity within a kingdom finally being relieved without any pain nor crying, nor death after having been enslaved for years upon years.

Again, like I've been saying to everyone else, don't cast your anger on me due to God having a specific elect chosen. If you aren't destined to go to the Kingdom, you might as well blame your forefathers for it, they left you a tab. I didn't.

And even Christianity itself teaches, "If you don't repent, you're going to hell" so to any Christians here, do you not accept that part of your belief as well? Are you going to ignore that part? Because at the end of the day, not everyone will have a happy ending.

So if anyone wants to continue raging against me, that's just you being mad at the truth. You guys have told me a lot of things about your religions, and you don't see me raging about it.

Humans are not ice cream. Ice cream does not suffer if you do not choose it. Human beings are sentient, they live and suffer. So arbitrarily choosing certain people and letting others suffer could not be the attribute of a truly loving Deity.

 

[Tidal]

A righteous Jew and a righteous Gentile stand hand in hand in the tabernacle of the most high..

Dream on buddy, the Jews killed Jesus and still reject him to this day, so they've got zilch chance of getting into heaven.
As for Gentiles, if they're Christians they'll be fine, but if not, they'll be slung into hell with all other Jesus-rejecters.
Nonchristians "will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath" (Revelation 14:10)

 

[Artful Revealer]

Your use of "opponent" shows that you're, like I said, playing games. If you have a contradiction to point out, Im all ears. A discrepancy? Go for it. But if you're looking to play some type of "gotcha!" game? Im not down with it. The baal is in your court...

Using semantics to evade a question is just another excuse we can add to the list. You are OT, I am NT, and neither of us accept the other. So opponents (theologically, at least) seems like a proper word. I'm not going to point out a contradiction. I'm going to point out that most people who claim they follow the Bible, really don't. You included.

 

[Tidal]

..arbitrarily choosing certain people and letting others suffer could not be the attribute of a truly loving Deity.

The invitation is open to every human on earth-
Jesus said- "The kingdom of heaven is like a king who prepared a wedding banquet for his son...he told his servants - go out and invite to the banquet anyone you find" (Matt 22:2)

So if people don't want to come to the picnic, they don't have to, it's their free choice..

 

[Artful Revealer]

The Book of Daniel literally gives the meaning of what the 'son of man' is:

Then the sovereignty, power and greatness of all the kingdoms under heaven will be handed over to the holy people of the Most High. His kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom, and all rulers will worship and obey him.’
- Daniel 7:27

This is the angel Gabriel responding to Daniel's confusion to what the vision meant.
The son of man, is another title for the future kingdom of Israel/Jerusalem, who will rule over all other nations according to that passage any countless others in the Torah. Simple, easy, no problems.

And how does Jesus fit in here?

 

[shankara]

The invitation is open to every human on earth-
Jesus said- "The kingdom of heaven is like a king who prepared a wedding banquet for his son...he told his servants - go out and invite to the banquet anyone you find" (Matt 22:2)

So if people don't want to come to the picnic, they don't have to, it's their free choice..

A specious argument. In order for it to be a "free choice" everyone would need to be convinced that it is a true doctrine by compelling logical arguments. Then there would be the choice between embracing truth and lies. However I am not convinced that Christianity is a true doctrine, by any stretch of the imagination. So I won't "come to the picnic" because I don't believe the picnic is going to take place. Am I choosing to reject Christianity by not believing in it's doctrines? Surely I could only truly reject it if I believed it to be true and nonetheless refused?

Honestly it would be nice in a way if it were true, it's a lot easier to "believe in Jesus" than to struggle to get free from Samsara.

 

[Artful Revealer]

Plain language from the Torah itself, nothing to do with Rabbinical literature:

Today YHWH has obtained your agreement: to be his treasured people, as he promised you, and to keep his commandments;
for him to set you high above all nations that he has made, in praise and in fame and in honor; and for you to be a people holy to YHWH your God, as he promised.

- Deuteronomy 26:18-19

From the Masoretic Text, written by Rabbis, who were at that time, already Talmudic.

Kabbalah is not Jewish btw, it's Greek, keep away from that.

Kabbalah sprung to life in the 12th century Languedoc region, where the Cathars were exterminated. Tell us how Kabbalah is Greek, please.

Edit: Never mind.

Kabbalistic views are not Jewish, Kabbalah is Greek as I've said. It has no authentic Jewish roots, it was taken from Islamic Neoplatonism (which was very popular in prior centuries to the Sefer Yetzirah). Neoplatonism is Greek philosophy out of the school of Plato.

Simeon Ben yohai did not write the Zohar, LOL! Moses de Leon did

Yeah, again you succeed at not making sense at all.

The Zohar is the foundational work of Kabbalah. You ascribe it to Moses de Leon, a Spanish Rabbi, who himself ascribed it to Simon bar Yochai, another Rabbi, yet you insist Kabbalah doesn't have Jewish roots.

 

[Artful Revealer]

Neoplatonism became very popular in the Medieval era because Muslims (who were incredibly intellectual at the time) were translating thousands of old Greek texts into Arabic and Persian.

This can't be serious. Practically all those translations prior to the 11th century were done by the hands of Christian monks. Who do you think knew the Greek at that time?

 

[Artful Revealer]

No they're humans, what a weird question. Humans are obviously humans. Like I know certain Christian hysteria about the Talmud but really dude, really?

If you want Jesus' words though towards Gentiles check this out:

Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon.
A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.”
Jesus did not answer a word.
So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”
He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”
The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.
He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”
“Yes it is, Lord,” she said. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.”
Then Jesus said to her, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed at that moment.

- Matthew 15:21-28

Take that as ye will.

Jesus here, in one fell swoop, destroys Jewish supremacy. That's what this passage means.

 

[lightseeker]

Why do you need me to? there are many passages in the Tanakh which explicitly say this. Not only that but it says the whole world, Jew and Gentile, will be redeemed in the end times.
And at that, I think there is a massive problem with you if you are under the impression that a Jew who doesn't believe in God and transgresses the Torah has any favor with God. If you think so, then you are kidding yourself. A righteous Jew and a righteous Gentile stand hand in hand in the tabernacle of the most high.
It is on us to bring the whole world to God, but as you should know, most Jews are not Torah-observant and not pious. Without embodying the grace and mercy of the Torah, the world will not find it's reconciliation. All nations will be saved, all peoples, all races. The thing you don't get is that Jews have a burden on our backs, we keep dodging our task commanded by God to Moses. But this was prophesied against us by Moses. We have to realize the love and wisdom of the Torah.

Fair enough. But it’s not me thinking these things, it’s jews, that’s why I ask. Talmudic rabbis in israel, the top rabbis, say that the most unrighteous and sinful Jew is better than the best goy. And their doctrine of “healing the world” is a license for them to change gentile culture, push gay marriage, abortion, destroy Christian values which are so offensive to atheistic Jews. If I was you I wouldn’t worry about healing the gentiles, but the jews. Israel is the most homosexual nation on earth, most human trafficking, most pedophiles being harboured, blackmailing the politicians of the world through the Epstein ring, planning all the wars in the Middle East, israeli intelligence performed the 911 attacks on New York, killed jfk. And they believe they have a license to influence gentile culture because of their chosenite race. If it wasn’t for jews, gay marriage, abortion, immigration laws, would never have been changed in America. The pornography they call movies would still be illegal. Etc. Jewish supremacism, which after 38 pages you thankfully deny, their doctrine of racial supremacy is the worst sore on the world, people who believe the goyim don’t have the neshamah or spiritual soul, only racial Jews do, that they are a different class of human loved by God and the goy is not. So heal your people please, please stop “healing” us.

If you practice some form of Old Testament religion without these aspects, well good for you

 

[lightseeker]

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Let’s say the jews were called to heal the world for the sake of argument. What happens when they reject God, which most of them do? If their race or blood connects them to God, by law of polarities, when they reject him they are connected to Satan. That is why Satan has managed to assemble them in Zion, and they are serving his will there and projecting it over the rest of the planet. So I don’t even need to reject that argument about the covenant with the material body, when Jews reject God you get them controlling the pornography industry, running Epstein rings, legalizing gay marriage and abortion, doing communist revolutions, serving Satan’s will and projecting it as a darkness over the earth. Jesus Christ tried to bring these people back to the One True God, but they rejected his deep teachings and instead preferred to count themselves righteous because they rested on Saturday and were from the bloodline of Jacob. Throughout time, we see the consequences of this, compounded with the curse that was put upon the when they willingly murdered that Messiah.

So when Pilate saw that he was gaining nothing, but rather that a riot was beginning, he took water and washed his hands before the crowd, saying "I am innocent of this man’s blood; see to it yourselves." And all the people answered, "His blood be on us and on our children!"

All a part of the spiritual history of our earth. If jews follow God and try to tikkun or heal the Judeans, well then good for them, but the Jewish racial supremacists, atheists, will not be found righteous because of their bloodline or material body, nor will God be pleased with their divisive views about which races God loves and which he doesn’t, when he is the creator of all mankind, and it is 1 the actions of a person, 2 the soul qualities of the person, that is being judged. The race or temporary form that the soul was housed in plays no part in that