The TRUE BIBLICAL TRUTH; Esau will fall, Jacob will rise

[KoncreteMind]

Is that worse than backing out when asked a direct question?

When the person asks the person to skip the "Gotcha!" games and get straight to the point? No, I dont think so...

 

[lightseeker]

Tomato/tomatuh?

Lol but seriously alot of yall act like you have a point to prove, but when given the opportunity show you cant... It is what it is though..

alright lol we can keep goin

Nope I counteracted the false point you were most likely going to make that just because someone isnt perfect that it means they cant be accepted by the Most High. When the Most High had someone write down that a RIGHTEOUS man falls down 7 times but gets up 8.



God said He'd make a SECOND COVENANT with Israel and Judah though when He regathers them from the places He sent them. Hasnt happened yet, but whether you believe it or not, IT WILL. What the Most High said in Zec 8 wasnt conditional. It was a prophecy about the end times that we're soon approaching. Once everyone's getting hit with this or that, and yall see a group of people untouched, you'll get the idea....


The Most High said this:

24 Considerest thou not what this people have spoken, saying, The two families which the Lord hath chosen, he hath even cast them off? thus they have despised my people, that they should be no more a nation before them.
25 Thus saith the Lord; If my covenant be not with day and night, and if I have not appointed the ordinances of heaven and earth;
26 Then will I cast away the seed of Jacob and David my servant, so that I will not take any of his seed to be rulers over the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob: for I will cause their captivity to return, and have mercy on them.



Even after we failed the first covenant, God said He'd have mercy on us, gather us back, and make a SECOND covenant with us. And with that second covenant, we wouldnt even be given the opportunity to fail because EACH of us (that He chooses) would have His law in our hearts.

So Im not sure why you're asking about covenants with Adam, Noah or David. They dont disappear just as the one the Most High WILL make with Israel/Judah (not everyone) will appear probably sooner than we think. And noneof those covenants changedd because of "humanity changing" because God said He doesnt change. So why would He change His agreements based on the flimsiness of man?

so your religion is you have to follow the law but you can’t/don’t and God knows that you can’t so you just keep trying when you fail but it’s impossible so you fail every time and then try again and then were supposed to be killing animals in Jerusalem to make up for it but don’t do that. And this is ok because you are supposedly a special race that God likes even though he’s the creator of all humanity, all of whom are composed of the same spiritual faculties (nephesh ruach neshemah or body mind and spirit).

Hmmmm where should we begin? I don’t know how to debate it lol because all of it was completely debunked by the great rabbi Jesus Christ who gave the practice of the law to all mankind in its true essence, it’s true form, it’s true nature, not 613 rules about what clothes to wear, but how any person can draw near to God through faith. That’s why there’s not much to debate here boss

 

[Artful Revealer]

When the person asks the person to skip the "Gotcha!" games and get straight to the point? No, I dont think so...

When I go straight to the point, my opponent could say he knew it all along. That would defeat the purpose.

 

[KoncreteMind]

alright lol we can keep goin

so your religion is you have to follow the law but you can’t/don’t and God knows that you can’t so you just keep trying when you fail but it’s impossible so you fail every time and then try again and then were supposed to be killing animals in Jerusalem to make up for it but don’t do that.

Impossible huh? Is that what God suggested?

Deuteronomy 30
11 “For this commandment that I command you today is not too hard for you, neither is it far off.

The more we go, the more you'll see that your beliefs contradict what God said in the OT...

And this is ok because you are supposedly a special race that God likes even though he’s the creator of all humanity, all of whom are composed of the same spiritual faculties (nephesh ruach neshemah or body mind and spirit).

Deut 7:6
6 “For you are a people holy to the Lord your God. The Lord your God has chosen you to be a people for his treasured possession, out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth.

What a surprise that christians disregard what God says for their own beliefs. If God said He chose a people to be His TREASURED possession, you either believe it or you dont. Christians CLAIM to believe the whole bible, but then start whining about things like this? Again, what a "surprise"

Hmmmm where should we begin? I don’t know how to debate it lol because all of it was completely debunked by the great rabbi Jesus Christ who gave the practice of the law to all mankind in its true essence, it’s true form, it’s true nature, not 613 rules about what clothes to wear, but how any person can draw near to God through faith. That’s why there’s not much to debate here boss

Nothing was debunked. You just superimpose Jesus over the NT and pretend as if thats going to stand. Thats why God says He's going to make ANOTHER covenant with Israel and Judah and yall take that and force your way into that covenant as if thats going to work lol. Or God says Israel/Judah is a lineage of people and yall says its a group of people based on belief. Thats all christianity is. Thankfully, it doesnt work like that. What God said stands...

 

[KoncreteMind]

When I go straight to the point, my opponent could say he knew it all along. That would defeat the purpose.

Your use of "opponent" shows that you're, like I said, playing games. If you have a contradiction to point out, Im all ears. A discrepancy? Go for it. But if you're looking to play some type of "gotcha!" game? Im not down with it. The baal is in your court...

 

[lightseeker]

Impossible huh? Is that what God suggested?

Deuteronomy 30
11 “For this commandment that I command you today is not too hard for you, neither is it far off.

The more we go, the more you'll see that your beliefs contradict what God said in the OT...


Deut 7:6
6 “For you are a people holy to the Lord your God. The Lord your God has chosen you to be a people for his treasured possession, out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth.

What a surprise that christians disregard what God says for their own beliefs. If God said He chose a people to be His TREASURED possession, you either believe it or you dont. Christians CLAIM to believe the whole bible, but then start whining about things like this? Again, what a "surprise"



Nothing was debunked. You just superimpose Jesus over the NT and pretend as if thats going to stand. Thats why God says He's going to make ANOTHER covenant with Israel and Judah and yall take that and force your way into that covenant as if thats going to work lol. Or God says Israel/Judah is a lineage of people and yall says its a group of people based on belief. Thats all christianity is. Thankfully, it doesnt work like that. What God said stands...

Yeah the people of God are those who worship him and keep his commandments. not people from a given bloodline who don’t believe in God and don’t care about him. I would say I don’t know why this is hard to understand, but I do, it’s because it’s very easy to say “I am a priori chosen and righteous, because of reason x”. a very nice path, very broad and easy one might say, yet mistaken. No matter how much theorizing you do about the tribes, the labyrinth of histories in the ot (if you do believe it is a simple history book and not a spiritual allegory), and how much theorizing about your own lineage (which I assume youve done? Right lol? If your whole religion resides on that you have done DNA tests and in depth research of your ancestory right? That would be pretty silly if not), it doesn’t matter, because God wants those who worship him in spirit. Your spirit is not of this world, therefore does not have the characteristics of physical race. Which leads me to my last point, which I’ve made before, that because your religion is more concerned eith matter, whether it be race, blood, or laws about your clothes and food, than it is about spirit and soul, which is what religion truly is, the redemption of the soul from sin, due to these reasons it is, at worst , a satanic religion which worships matter and materialism, and at best, a simple cultural phenomenon based in customs, but still without the ability to lead souls beyond this world to the everlasting beatitude

 

[Resistor]

3. What does 'the Son of Man' mean to you?

The Book of Daniel literally gives the meaning of what the 'son of man' is:

Then the sovereignty, power and greatness of all the kingdoms under heaven will be handed over to the holy people of the Most High. His kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom, and all rulers will worship and obey him.’
- Daniel 7:27

This is the angel Gabriel responding to Daniel's confusion to what the vision meant.
The son of man, is another title for the future kingdom of Israel/Jerusalem, who will rule over all other nations according to that passage any countless others in the Torah. Simple, easy, no problems.

 

[Resistor]

The second covenant already happened mate. That's why there hasnt been a temple or sacrifice offered in 2000 years. The final sacrifice for sin and atonement already happened.

Offerings were never to take away sin though, they were forms of worship. Just as you presumably with singing songs in church services, same thing, different culture. The Torah shows animal sacrifice as consensual on the part of what the people themselves wanted, how they wanted to worship God. This is found quite obviously in Genesis 4 too, where Abel chose to bring YHWH an offering and YHWH preferred it over soil. It's an interesting topic but very much a completely different universe to how you continuously choose to strawman it in order to sell your snake oil.

 

[KoncreteMind]

Yeah the people of God are those who worship him and keep his commandments. not people from a given bloodline

Stop:

Jeremiah 31
24 Considerest thou not what this people have spoken, saying, The two families which the Lord hath chosen, he hath even cast them off? thus they have despised my people, that they should be no more a nation before them.
25 Thus saith the Lord; If my covenant be not with day and night, and if I have not appointed the ordinances of heaven and earth;
26 Then will I cast away the seed of Jacob and David my servant, so that I will not take any of his seed to be rulers over the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob: for I will cause their captivity to return, and have mercy on them.

See the part about "despising MY PEOPLE"? You see Him talk about the SEED of Jacob? Its all about the bloodline. Here is the ONLY WAY you can be involved in our blessing

Spoiler

Isaiah 56
This is what the Lord says:

“Maintain justice
and do what is right,
for my salvation is close at hand
and my righteousness will soon be revealed.
2 Blessed is the one who does this—
the person who holds it fast,
who keeps the Sabbath without desecrating it,
and keeps their hands from doing any evil.”

3 Let no foreigner who is bound to the Lord say,
“The Lord will surely exclude me from his people.”
And let no eunuch complain,
“I am only a dry tree.”

4 For this is what the Lord says:

“To the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths,
who choose what pleases me
and hold fast to my covenant—
5 to them I will give within my temple and its walls
a memorial and a name
better than sons and daughters;
I will give them an everlasting name
that will endure forever.
6 And foreigners who bind themselves to the Lord
to minister to him,
to love the name of the Lord,
and to be his servants,
all who keep the Sabbath without desecrating it
and who hold fast to my covenant—
7 these I will bring to my holy mountain
and give them joy in my house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and sacrifices
will be accepted on my altar;
for my house will be called
a house of prayer for all nations.”
8 The Sovereign Lord declares—
he who gathers the exiles of Israel:
“I will gather still others to them
besides those already gathered.”

If you want to partake in the blessings theres a place for you right there. If not then idk what to tell you. Well besides I hear a squirrel was found to have the bubonic plague in Colorado. For whatever thats worth..

I would say I don’t know why this is hard to understand, but I do, it’s because it’s very easy to say “I am a priori chosen and righteous, because of reason x”. a very nice path, very broad and easy one might say, yet mistaken. No matter how much theorizing you do about the tribes, the labyrinth of histories in the ot (if you do believe it is a simple history book and not a spiritual allegory), and how much theorizing about your own lineage (which I assume youve done? Right lol? If your whole religion resides on that you have done DNA tests and in depth research of your ancestory right? That would be pretty silly if not), it doesn’t matter, because God wants those who worship him in spirit. Your spirit is not of this world, therefore does not have the characteristics of physical race.

God in the bible said He had a treasured LINEAGE of people. He said it not me. If you have a problem with that, then you have a problem with the old testament. And hey, you're not alone on that note. But dont pretend you believe the bible then complain when you meet someone that takes the tenets of the bible to heart. And I take it to heart because its mine while you dont take it to heart because it isnt yours. So you say ancestry doesnt matter. Bloodline doesnt matter. Lineage doesnt matter etc... Yet the old testament is the one that says that God, in the end, would come to save the LINEAGE of people He chose from everywhere He scattered them. So if you have a problem with me believing that its ME He's talking about, then take that up with the OT itself and stop pretending like you believe in it. Because we're about to be there....

Which leads me to my last point, which I’ve made before, that because your religion is more concerned eith matter, whether it be race, blood, or laws about your clothes and food, than it is about spirit and soul, which is what religion truly is, the redemption of the soul from sin, due to these reasons it is, at worst , a satanic religion which worships matter and materialism, and at best, a simple cultural phenomenon based in customs, but still without the ability to lead souls beyond this world to the everlasting beatitude

In other words, you have a problem with the OT. In other words, you have a problem with the OT. In other words, you have a problem with the OT. I say it three times so it sinks in. Your problem isnt with me or my view, its with the law and the prophets. You call the God of Israel satanic but wont come out and say it. At least Art is man enough to say it. Why dont you? I dont think its wise but man up and stand behind your words.

 

[lightseeker]

Stop:

Jeremiah 31
24 Considerest thou not what this people have spoken, saying, The two families which the Lord hath chosen, he hath even cast them off? thus they have despised my people, that they should be no more a nation before them.
25 Thus saith the Lord; If my covenant be not with day and night, and if I have not appointed the ordinances of heaven and earth;
26 Then will I cast away the seed of Jacob and David my servant, so that I will not take any of his seed to be rulers over the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob: for I will cause their captivity to return, and have mercy on them.

See the part about "despising MY PEOPLE"? You see Him talk about the SEED of Jacob? Its all about the bloodline. Here is the ONLY WAY you can be involved in our blessing

Spoiler

Isaiah 56
This is what the Lord says:

“Maintain justice
and do what is right,
for my salvation is close at hand
and my righteousness will soon be revealed.
2 Blessed is the one who does this—
the person who holds it fast,
who keeps the Sabbath without desecrating it,
and keeps their hands from doing any evil.”

3 Let no foreigner who is bound to the Lord say,
“The Lord will surely exclude me from his people.”
And let no eunuch complain,
“I am only a dry tree.”

4 For this is what the Lord says:

“To the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths,
who choose what pleases me
and hold fast to my covenant—
5 to them I will give within my temple and its walls
a memorial and a name
better than sons and daughters;
I will give them an everlasting name
that will endure forever.
6 And foreigners who bind themselves to the Lord
to minister to him,
to love the name of the Lord,
and to be his servants,
all who keep the Sabbath without desecrating it
and who hold fast to my covenant—
7 these I will bring to my holy mountain
and give them joy in my house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and sacrifices
will be accepted on my altar;
for my house will be called
a house of prayer for all nations.”
8 The Sovereign Lord declares—
he who gathers the exiles of Israel:
“I will gather still others to them
besides those already gathered.”

If you want to partake in the blessings theres a place for you right there. If not then idk what to tell you. Well besides I hear a squirrel was found to have the bubonic plague in Colorado. For whatever thats worth..



God in the bible said He had a treasured LINEAGE of people. He said it not me. If you have a problem with that, then you have a problem with the old testament. And hey, you're not alone on that note. But dont pretend you believe the bible then complain when you meet someone that takes the tenets of the bible to heart. And I take it to heart because its mine. You dont take it to heart because it isnt yours. So you say ancestry doesnt matter. Bloodline doesnt matter. Lineage doesnt matter etc... Yet the old testament is the one that says that God, in the end, would come to save the LINEAGE of people He chose from everywhere He scattered them. We're about to be there....



In other words, you have a problem with the OT. In other words, you have a problem with the OT. In other words, you have a problem with the OT. I say it three times so it sinks in. Your problem isnt with me or my view, its with the law and the prophets. You call the God of Israel satanic but wont come out and say it. At least Art is man enough to say it. Why dont you? I dont think its wise but man up and stand behind your words.[/spoiler]

so what did your DNA test say? What did the detailed research into your lineage show? You’re not basing this on speculation are you?

and also yes I believe the way the Jews interpret their scriptures is satanic, as I said in my previous post. And I look to the teachings of Jesus Christ to interpret the Old Testament for me. Those he spoke to did not understand it - John 3 “ you are a priest of Israel and you do not understand these things?” And neither do you, because you interpret it in the same way as those he called hypocrites and venomous snakes and children of the devil

 

[Resistor]

and also yes I believe the way the Jews interpret their scriptures is satanic

Why do you say that? (other than just regurgitating evangelical talking points)

 

[lightseeker]

Why do you say that? (other than just regurgitating evangelical talking points)

Said in last post 706

 

[KoncreteMind]

so what did your DNA test say? What did the detailed research into your lineage show? You’re not basing this on speculation are you?

DNA Test? Who would I have to go to to get that done? Your kingdom right?

I base it off the curses that God said would be placed on the DESCENDANTS of Israel as a SIGN. And they match what my people went thru more than ANY other group/nation/race etc...

and also yes I believe the way the Jews interpret their scriptures is satanic, as I said in my previous post. And I look to the teachings of Jesus Christ to interpret the Old Testament for me. Those he spoke to did not understand it - John 3 “ you are a priest of Israel and you do not understand these things?” And neither do you, because you interpret it in the same way as those he called hypocrites and venomous snakes and children of the devil

Nope not gonna let you hide lol. Its God that said to Moses that Israel, a lineage of people at that time, was HIS PRIZED POSSESSION. And throughout the OT He says in the END He will save them and gather them from everywhere He scattered them. You dont have to agree, but there is literally no other way to interpret these things unless you have an AGENDA.. And dont get mad because in the end times there pops up group trying to claim the heritage. And look what "whoever owns Viacom" ( ) did to Nick Cannon when he said what he did... Its now officially reaching mainstream.

 

[Resistor]

Yeah the people of God are those who worship him and keep his commandments. not people from a given bloodline who don’t believe in God and don’t care about him. I would say I don’t know why this is hard to understand, but I do, it’s because it’s very easy to say “I am a priori chosen and righteous, because of reason x”. a very nice path, very broad and easy one might say, yet mistaken. No matter how much theorizing you do about the tribes, the labyrinth of histories in the ot (if you do believe it is a simple history book and not a spiritual allegory), and how much theorizing about your own lineage (which I assume youve done? Right lol? If your whole religion resides on that you have done DNA tests and in depth research of your ancestory right? That would be pretty silly if not), it doesn’t matter, because God wants those who worship him in spirit. Your spirit is not of this world, therefore does not have the characteristics of physical race. Which leads me to my last point, which I’ve made before, that because your religion is more concerned eith matter, whether it be race, blood, or laws about your clothes and food, than it is about spirit and soul, which is what religion truly is, the redemption of the soul from sin, due to these reasons it is, at worst , a satanic religion which worships matter and materialism, and at best, a simple cultural phenomenon based in customs, but still without the ability to lead souls beyond this world to the everlasting beatitude

“When YHWH your God brings you into the land which you are entering to take possession of it, and clears away many nations before you, the Hittites, the Gir′gashites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Per′izzites, the Hivites, and the Jeb′usites, seven nations greater and mightier than yourselves,
and when YHWH your God gives them over to you, and you defeat them; then you must utterly destroy them; you shall make no covenant with them, and show no mercy to them.
You shall not make marriages with them, giving your daughters to their sons or taking their daughters for your sons.
For they would turn away your sons from following me, to serve other gods; then the anger of YHWH would be kindled against you, and he would destroy you quickly.
But thus shall you deal with them: you shall break down their altars, and dash in pieces their pillars, and hew down their Ashe′rim, and burn their graven images with fire.
“For you are a people holy to YHWH your God; the Lord your God has chosen you to be a people for his own possession, out of all the peoples that are on the face of the earth.
It was not because you were more in number than any other people that YHWH set his love upon you and chose you, for you were the fewest of all peoples;
but it is because YHWH loves you, and is keeping the oath which he swore to your fathers, that the Lord has brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you from the house of bondage, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.
Know therefore that YHWH your God is God, the faithful God who keeps covenant and steadfast love with those who love him and keep his commandments, to a thousand generations,
and requites to their face those who hate him, by destroying them; he will not be slack with him who hates him, he will requite him to his face.
You shall therefore be careful to do the commandment, and the statutes, and the ordinances, which I command you this day.

- Deuteronomy 7:1-11


You must be one of those who reject the entire old testament though because it is one of the most consistent messages in the entire Hebrew Bible. The only books that don't speak about it to some length are wisdom literature like the book of Esther, poetry like Song of Solomon and books of that type which speak not of directly theological, doctrinal and political things.

 

[lightseeker]

DNA Test? Who would I have to go to to get that done? Your kingdom right?

I base it off the curses that God said would be placed on the DESCENDANTS of Israel as a SIGN. And they match what my people went thru more than ANY other group/nation/race etc...



Nope not gonna let you hide lol. Its God that said to Moses that Israel, a lineage of people at that time, was HIS PRIZED POSSESSION. And throughout the OT He says in the END He will save them and gather them from everywhere He scattered them. You dont have to agree, but there is literally no other way to interpret these things unless you have an AGENDA.. And dont get mad because in the end times there pops up group trying to claim the heritage. And look what "whoever owns Viacom" ( ) did to Nick Cannon when he said what he did... Its now officially reaching mainstream.

Lol you have the same religion as the people that own viacom and interpret it in the same way. You just dispute who the “chosen people” are. I interpret the scriptures as Jesus taught them, not by the hypocritical Pharisees and Babylonian black magic Talmud. Your misinterpretation or the law condemned all the prophets of Israel to death and finally Jesus Christ himself, because it is a creation of the minds of men, a worship of the material world, and ignorance of all things spiritual. Simple as brother. Like I said we eont see eye to eye so I was happy to say all the best wishes to you and not need to go back and forth meaninglessly.

and also lol that after all that you just assume you are the “people of Israel“ because black people were slaves at one point.

“When YHWH your God brings you into the land which you are entering to take possession of it, and clears away many nations before you, the Hittites, the Gir′gashites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Per′izzites, the Hivites, and the Jeb′usites, seven nations greater and mightier than yourselves,
and when YHWH your God gives them over to you, and you defeat them; then you must utterly destroy them; you shall make no covenant with them, and show no mercy to them.
You shall not make marriages with them, giving your daughters to their sons or taking their daughters for your sons.
For they would turn away your sons from following me, to serve other gods; then the anger of YHWH would be kindled against you, and he would destroy you quickly.
But thus shall you deal with them: you shall break down their altars, and dash in pieces their pillars, and hew down their Ashe′rim, and burn their graven images with fire.
“For you are a people holy to YHWH your God; the Lord your God has chosen you to be a people for his own possession, out of all the peoples that are on the face of the earth.
It was not because you were more in number than any other people that YHWH set his love upon you and chose you, for you were the fewest of all peoples;
but it is because YHWH loves you, and is keeping the oath which he swore to your fathers, that the Lord has brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you from the house of bondage, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.
Know therefore that YHWH your God is God, the faithful God who keeps covenant and steadfast love with those who love him and keep his commandments, to a thousand generations,
and requites to their face those who hate him, by destroying them; he will not be slack with him who hates him, he will requite him to his face.
You shall therefore be careful to do the commandment, and the statutes, and the ordinances, which I command you this day.

- Deuteronomy 7:1-11


You must be one of those who reject the entire old testament though because it is one of the most consistent messages in the entire Hebrew Bible. The only books that don't speak about it to some length are wisdom literature like the book of Esther, poetry like Song of Solomon and books of that type which speak not of directly theological, doctrinal and political things.

nah I don’t reject the old testament at all, only the Babylonian Talmudic interpretation of it that was strongly propagated by the zionists, Sabbatean frankists, and others that you get your interpretations from. Actually I don’t know what you believe because you never offer a positive position, you only criticize others. But I assume it is this.
i accept the Kabbalistic interpretations of the scriptures, and also the interpretations given by Jesus Christ, which differed greatly from the Pharisees or as he called them children of the devil

 

[Resistor]

nah I don’t reject the old testament at all, only the Babylonian Talmudic interpretation of it that was strongly propagated by the zionists, JacobIan frankists, and others that you get your interpretations from. Actually I don’t know what you believe because you never offer a positive position, you only criticize others. But I assume it is this.
i accept the Kabbalistic interpretations of the scriptures, and also the interpretations given by Jesus Christ, which differed greatly from the Pharisees or as he called them children of the devil

Plain language from the Torah itself, nothing to do with Rabbinical literature:

Today YHWH has obtained your agreement: to be his treasured people, as he promised you, and to keep his commandments;
for him to set you high above all nations that he has made, in praise and in fame and in honor; and for you to be a people holy to YHWH your God, as he promised.

- Deuteronomy 26:18-19


Kabbalah is not Jewish btw, it's Greek, keep away from that.

 

[Resistor]

i accept the Kabbalistic interpretations of the scriptures, and also the interpretations given by Jesus Christ, which differed greatly from the Pharisees or as he called them children of the devil

Jesus' exegetical views were closer to the Essenes than the Pharisees but Jesus shared the same views on the afterlife as the Pharisees among other things. The supremacy of the Jewish people was not something Jesus contested (rather he confirmed it in many places), it was the hypocrisy of the Pharisees of his day. He was chastising them in the exact same manner that the Prophets (Nevi'im) chastised the Jewish people in earlier periods, nothing different at all. God allows that to happen.


“Woman,” Jesus replied, “believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem.
You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews.
Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.
God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”

- John 4:21-24

 

[lightseeker]

Plain language from the Torah itself, nothing to do with Rabbinical literature:

Today YHWH has obtained your agreement: to be his treasured people, as he promised you, and to keep his commandments;
for him to set you high above all nations that he has made, in praise and in fame and in honor; and for you to be a people holy to YHWH your God, as he promised.

- Deuteronomy 26:18-19


Kabbalah is not Jewish btw, it's Greek, keep away from that.

Lol I prefer if it’s not Jewish! If it was it would be part of the Babylonian school of black magic which interprets the scriptures according to matter and materialism and keeps their disciples from entering into the kingdom.
the kingdom of heaven belongs to those with minds of children, no need to reason and theorize about It, better to do the will of the one who sent jesus Christ to earth.

, for salvation is from the Jews.

yes, please lord, deliver us from the Jews

 

[Resistor]

Lol I prefer if it’s not Jewish! If it was it would be part of the Babylonian school of black magic which interprets the scriptures according to matter and materialism and keeps their disciples from entering into the kingdom.
the kingdom of heaven belongs to those with minds of children, no need to reason and theorize about It, better to do the will of the one who sent jesus Christ to earth.

yes, please lord, deliver us from the Jews

These are the scriptures you are mocking.

 

[Resistor]

If it was it would be part of the Babylonian school of black magic which interprets the scriptures according to matter and materialism and keeps their disciples from entering into the kingdom.

The Babylonians were not materialists, they were polytheists that believed in the afterlife, spiritual realms and the rest. They also infamously enslaved the Jewish people during the Exilic period.