The TRUE BIBLICAL TRUTH; Esau will fall, Jacob will rise

A Freeman

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I’m not going to keep arguing the rest with you. You’re the one who is using scripture wrong.

Many of the actual Jews live in Israel..I’m not one of them. I’m a Christian saved by the blood of Jesus..who rose on the third day and sits at the right hand of God...waiting to come back down again to rescue His chosen people, Israel.
The standard Jewish encyclopaedia states that it's likely 95% of modern Jews are Ashkenazis which means, by their own admission, the overwhelming majority of the people falsely claiming to be Jews are not even Semites.

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/13992-statistics

Genesis 10:1-3
10:1 Now these [are] the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem (from which ALL Semites are descended), Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood.
10:2 The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.
10:3 And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah.

Very, very few people descended from the tribes of Judah and Benjamin (the "House of Judah") live in the land of Israel today. In fact, it's likely much less than 5% of their population, as we know many from the tribe of Judah migrated to the British Isles.

So you're wrong about the "Jews" in their counterfeit Jewish state of Israel, just as you're wrong about the "Christians" and about The Law. No "Christian" has ever been "saved" according to Christ (John 3:13), in Whom you apparently don't believe, given how frequently you contradict Him.

God Bless.
 

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Do you think that God ever stopped loving the people Israel (or their King), even though "loved" is past tense?

If they and all other Jesus-rejecters become christians before they die, God will lurv them to bits, otherwise forget it..:)-

"How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot....it is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God" (Hebrews 10:29-31)

 

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You know, I just had a sudden struck of fear because I began thinking about what it would be like when Yeshua returns, and it will be bloody for anyone who isn't part of his 1/3 elect. I sincerely hope everyone here has fear in their spirit for the Lord. That'll help you keep his laws and serve him faithfully.
 

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Can I get a confirmation of what on earth people aren't understanding?

Well your topic title is- The TRUE BIBLICAL TRUTH; Esau will fall, Jacob will rise, but I for one don't understand what the hell that's supposed to mean..:)
It seems you're tossing a tangled furball of oddball cultish twisted theology into the cauldron to try to convince yourself (and us) that nonchristians will get to heaven, you can drink that slop if you like but include me out..:)


 

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You know, I just had a sudden struck of fear because I began thinking about what it would be like when Yeshua returns, and it will be bloody for anyone who isn't part of his 1/3 elect..

Relax darling, if you're a Christian you've got zilch to worry about because you've got your own angelic hunk to watch your back..:)

"He shall give his angels charge over you to keep you safe" (Psalm 91:11)
 
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What was shared (past tense) with you previously is (present tense, because it remains) correct. The word "when" is not past tense; it only indicates at what time something did or will happen.

The nation (the people) of Israel were literally in their infancy when it was called out of Egypt.

Deuteronomy 10:22 Thy fathers went down into Egypt with threescore and ten persons; and now the "I AM" thy God hath made thee as "the stars of heaven" for multitude.

Jesus was likewise in His infancy, when He (The King of Israel) was called out of Egypt.

Hosea 11:1 When Israel [was] a child, THEN I loved him, and called My son out of Egypt.

The prophecy therefore fits both cases. You can literally substitute both "the people Israel" or "the King of Israel" in Hosea 11:1 above for the word "Israel" and the prophecy holds true.

Do you think that God ever stopped loving the people Israel (or their King), even though "loved" is past tense?
In other words Hosea 11 is a prophecy because the NT says so lol Not because of the context of the verse, but because the NT says its a prophecy it becomes one.. Pretty flimsy but at least you tried...
 

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The standard Jewish encyclopaedia states that it's likely 95% of modern Jews are Ashkenazis which means, by their own admission, the overwhelming majority of the people falsely claiming to be Jews are not even Semites.

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/13992-statistics

Genesis 10:1-3
10:1 Now these [are] the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem (from which ALL Semites are descended), Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood.
10:2 The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.
10:3 And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah.

Very, very few people descended from the tribes of Judah and Benjamin (the "House of Judah") live in the land of Israel today. In fact, it's likely much less than 5% of their population, as we know many from the tribe of Judah migrated to the British Isles.

So you're wrong about the "Jews" in their counterfeit Jewish state of Israel, just as you're wrong about the "Christians" and about The Law. No "Christian" has ever been "saved" according to Christ (John 3:13), in Whom you apparently don't believe, given how frequently you contradict Him.

God Bless.
So..you went and did dna tests throughout a Israel or something?

Im not wrong about the Jews in Israel..God brought them back in the land and they are going to know Jesus as Messiah...it’s going to be wonderful when they do.

You can talk all you want about my not knowing Jesus..but I actually do. And scripture says it pretty clearly..
Ephesians‬ ‭2:8-9‬ ‭
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
 

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In other words Hosea 11 is a prophecy because the NT says so lol
No, it's prophecy because it foretold FUTURE EVENTS.

And even after the events have happened, hundreds and even thousands of years later, you STILL want to argue it wasn't a prophecy.

You may not realize it but Egypt symbolically represents SLAVERY. The Israelites (all 12-tribes) were enslaved in Egypt, under the evil rule of evil men, and were led out of that slavery to FREEDOM, given to them in the form of The Law at Mt. Horeb in Sinai, to protect them from evil and to set and keep them FREE.

But even after being called and led out of Egypt (slavery) to freedom, and being reminded of The Law that provides that freedom (if it is kept) every step of The Way -- lest we forget -- we allowed ourselves to become slaves AGAIN, this time to the Assyrians (who enslaved the 10 tribed "House of Israel") and to the Babylonians (who enslaved the 2-tribed "House of Judah").

And here we are today, after promising we would never be slaves again (Rule Britannia, think of the words), IN SLAVERY AGAIN, this time NOT to another nation (yet), but to rich people from within our own (banksters and their puppet politicians and priests, etc.).

Deuteronomy 28:43-44
28:43 The stranger that [is] within thy borders shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very low.
28:44 He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail.

Employee is just a modern word for slavery (think about it). And how did it happen? Because we forgot The Law/Commandments of our God.

Deuteronomy 4:1-13
4:1 Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the Statutes and unto the Judgments, which I teach you, for to DO [them], that ye may LIVE, and go in and possess the land which the "I AM" God of your fathers giveth you.
4:2 Ye shall not ADD unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye may keep the Commandments of the "I AM" your God which I COMMAND you.
4:3 Your eyes have seen what the "I AM" did because of Baalpeor: for all the men that followed Baalpeor, the "I AM" thy God hath destroyed them [idolaters] from among you.
4:4 But ye that did cleave unto the "I AM" your God [are] alive every one of you this day.
4:5 Behold, I have taught you Statutes and Judgments, even as the "I AM" my God commanded me, that ye should do so in the land where ye go to possess it.
4:6 KEEP therefore and DO [them]; for this [is] your Wisdom and your Understanding in the sight of the nations, which shall hear all these Statutes, and say, Surely this great nation [is] a wise and understanding people.
4:7 For what nation [is there so] great, who [hath] God [so] near to them, as the "I AM" our God [is] in all [things that] we call upon Him [for]?
4:8 And what nation [is there so] great, that hath Statutes and Judgments [so] Righteous as all this Law, which I set before you this day?
4:9 Only take heed to thyself, and keep thy soul diligently, lest thou forget the things which thine eyes have seen, and lest they depart from thy heart all the days of thy life: but teach them thy sons, and thy sons' sons;
4:10 [Specially] the day that thou stoodest before the "I AM" thy God in Horeb, when the "I AM" said unto me, Gather Me the people together, and I will make them hear My Words, that they may learn to respect Me all the days that they shall live upon the earth, and [that] they may teach their children.
4:11 And ye came near and stood under the mountain; and the mountain burned with fire unto the midst of heaven, with darkness, "Clouds", and thick darkness.
4:12 And the "I AM" spoke unto you out of the midst of the fire: ye heard the voice of the words, but saw no similitude; only [ye heard] a voice.
4:13 And He declared unto you His Covenant, which He commanded you to perform, [even] Ten Commandments; and He wrote them upon two tablets of stone.

Or, from Hosea if you prefer...

Hosea 4:6-7
4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of My Knowledge: because thou hast rejected My Knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to Me: seeing thou hast forgotten The Law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
4:7 As they were increased, so they sinned against Me: [therefore] will I change their glory into shame.

Hosea 5:15 I will go [and] return to My place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek My face: in their affliction they will seek Me early.

We are in the midst of the intentional collapse of the entire global economic ponzi-scheme, under the guise of an alleged (non-existent) viral threat, and people still won't repent of all of this evil. And yet here you are, looking for excuses why the OT and NT are somehow irreconcilable, even though thousands of prophecies foretold in the OT are fulfilling themselves in the NT, just as the ones in the NT are likewise fulfilling themselves as we speak.

Not because of the context of the verse, but because the NT says its a prophecy it becomes one.. Pretty flimsy but at least you tried...
You mistakenly thought the word "when" is past tense, and yet still believe you understand the context of the verse?

Do you really feel this one verse, which is clearly an OT prophecy being fulfilled in both the OT and the NT, somehow confirms your mistaken belief that the OT and the NT are supposedly irreconcilable? How is it possible that you don't find that to be a flimsy excuse?
 
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So..you went and did dna tests throughout a Israel or something?

Im not wrong about the Jews in Israel..God brought them back in the land and they are going to know Jesus as Messiah...it’s going to be wonderful when they do.

You can talk all you want about my not knowing Jesus..but I actually do. And scripture says it pretty clearly..
Ephesians‬ ‭2:8-9‬ ‭
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Yes, you're wrong about the counterfeit Jews in Israel, and about knowing Christ, because continually contradicting God, Christ and the Bible is NOT a path to spiritual enlightenment. For Christ's Sake, learn to BE Christ-like in your behavior, and KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS/LAW OF GOD.

Ephesians 2:8-10
2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
2:10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good WORKS, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them (do them - good works).

And what good works did God ordain before? Good works according to God are defined in HIS PERFECT LAW.

That's why there is no such thing as faith without works.


James 2:17-26
2:17 Even so FAITH, if it hath not WORKS, is DEAD, being alone.
2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: show me thy faith without thy works, and I will SHOW thee my faith BY my works.
2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils (liars) also believe, and tremble.
2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain (worthless) man, that FAITH WITHOUT WORKS is DEAD?
2:21 Was not our father justified by WORKS, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar (and God made him your example - Sura 16:123; 60:4)?
2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and BY WORKS was faith (trust in God) MADE PERFECT?
2:23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed ONLY God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
2:24 Ye see then how that by WORKS a man is justified, and NOT by faith only.
2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by WORKS, when she had received the messengers, and had sent [them] out another way?
2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD also.
 
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@A Freeman

Just 4 questions:

1. Who's Jesus' father?

2. Do you not believe in the empty tomb?

3. What does 'the Son of Man' mean to you? (keep in mind the definite article, which was unseen in Greek literature before the Gospel).

4. Who's Satan?
 

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Yes, you're wrong about the counterfeit Jews in Israel, and about knowing Christ, because continually contradicting God, Christ and the Bible is NOT a path to spiritual enlightenment. For Christ's Sake, learn to BE Christ-like in your behavior, and KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS/LAW OF GOD.

Ephesians 2:8-10
2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
2:10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good WORKS, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them (do them - good works).

And what good works did God ordain before? Good works according to God are defined in HIS PERFECT LAW.

That's why there is no such thing as faith without works.


James 2:17-26
2:17 Even so FAITH, if it hath not WORKS, is DEAD, being alone.
2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: show me thy faith without thy works, and I will SHOW thee my faith BY my works.
2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils (liars) also believe, and tremble.
2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain (worthless) man, that FAITH WITHOUT WORKS is DEAD?
2:21 Was not our father justified by WORKS, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar (and God made him your example - Sura 16:123; 60:4)?
2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and BY WORKS was faith (trust in God) MADE PERFECT?
2:23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed ONLY God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
2:24 Ye see then how that by WORKS a man is justified, and NOT by faith only.
2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by WORKS, when she had received the messengers, and had sent [them] out another way?
2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD also.
You can’t do works to be saved..
Isaiah‬ ‭64:6‬ ‭
For all of us have become like one who is unclean, And all our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment; And all of us wither like a leaf, And our iniquities, like the wind, take us away. https://www.bible.com/100/isa.64.6.nasb


You don’t do works to be saved
Ephesians 2:8-9‬ ‭
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

But afterwards..
Ephesians‬ ‭2:10‬ ‭
For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.
 

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Guys, it's not that hard to understand.

If you are an Israelite, all you have to do is believe that Yeshua died for your sins, repent of your sins daily, keep the laws of God, and serve him with faith and fear- and that is pretty much it! For those who are Edomites/wicked people via heathens that are not part of the 12 Tribes of Israel, then unless you'd like to learn that you aren't getting an invitation to the kingdom, I don't know why you're here.
 

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Guys, it's not that hard to understand.

If you are an Israelite, all you have to do is believe that Yeshua died for your sins, repent of your sins daily, keep the laws of God, and serve him with faith and fear- and that is pretty much it! For those who are Edomites/wicked people via heathens that are not part of the 12 Tribes of Israel, then unless you'd like to learn that you aren't getting an invitation to the kingdom, I don't know why you're here.
You have a hard time understanding though...you have mixed things so much that the only thing that is true is Jesus..not Yeshua died for your sins
 

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Gentiles or those of non jewish lineage are welcome to the kingdom. They are equal in Christ to someone of jewish descent. There is no number or limit that can be put on such people like 5 percent seeing as i know more white christians than ethnic ones. Teaching that God hates white people (Esau) and whites are basically denied a place in heaven and are inferior and have less a chance of being saved cause of racial restrictions is unbiblical.

You can be a black or mexican unbeliever and you are still as much a rebel to God as a white person who denies Christ. You are either in Christ or not in Christ. Thats the only distinction that is biblical and that matters. You are either the people of God in Christ or you are a rebel.
 

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Gentiles or those of non jewish lineage are welcome to the kingdom. They are equal in Christ to someone of jewish descent. There is no number or limit that can be put on such people like 5 percent seeing as i know more white christians than ethnic ones. Teaching that God hates white people (Esau) and whites are basically denied a place in heaven and are inferior and have less a chance of being saved cause of racial restrictions is unbiblical.

You can be a black or mexican unbeliever and you are still as much a rebel to God as a white person who denies Christ. You are either in Christ or not in Christ. Thats the only distinction that is biblical and that matters. You are either the people of God in Christ or you are a rebel.
God clearly says in Romans 9:13 he hates Esau, and if you read the entire 1rst chapter of Obadiah, you can see that the one thing that's going to happen when Yeshua returns, (Day of the Lord) is at some point in that day, he's going to slaughter many Edomites, while many of them will become slaves for the Israelites just as the Israelites were for them. I don't know what to tell you Lyfe, you seem to be in denial.

The reason why he's punishing White people as of today is because their forefathers left them a tab.
So that means the Edomites are going to get punished too. I'm sorry for anyone that's White here, but that wasn't my decision, I'm simply telling you what's going to happen later on, and I can't do anything about it.

I mean my Black, Hispanics, and Native American people were suffering in slavery and still, to this day, we have curses put upon us by God, do we not? I know the curses that are currently upon me. See how we're still suffering? AND we're still enslaved in the White Mans system, so after the Edomites and people of other Nations serve the Israelites for a thousand years, (because justice and revenge) they're all going to die. That's all there is to it.

Let's remember that the White Man and people of other Nations currently have THIS kingdom, this earthly kingdom belongs to these groups. The Holy City belongs to the 1/3 elect of God that are from the 12 Tribes of Israel. So to anyone who is an Edmomite/not an Israelite, all I can say is, enjoy this kingdom before the Great Tribulation and Millennium happens.

And to those who are White and are Christians, well Christianity isn't even part of the Bible. Y'all ancestors worked hard to remove scriptures and pages of the Bible and replace YESHUA with a White "Jesus" and to make you believe everyone is either going to heaven or hell when the truth is,

-The Bible is only for the Israelites because God chose them since the beginning of the world. Like I said, Esau was only meant to live so he can enslave the Israelites for their rebellion against God, and as for people of other Nations, God says they aren't anything compared to the Israelites. So those of us who are Israelites that live within every Nation, he only cares about y'all, not the Nations we're currently dwelling in due to slavery.

MATTHEW 15:24 "I am NOT sent BUT ONLY to the lost sheep of ISRAEL"
Of what?
ISRAEL!
The whole world?

ISRAEL!

So he was only sent for Israel. Then y'all wanna quote John 3:16 but y'all never want to talk about the verses before it, because Yeshua is talking to an Israelite, and he, himself, is an Israelite, so when he says "World" he means HIS world, which are of the Israelites.

And this isn't racism either, this is God simply choosing his people, NOT the other Nations, so if you aren't chosen, then enjoy this earthly kingdom while it lasts. Why does it have to be this way? That's just how God wanted it.

The Bible is basically a real life story of how the Israelites rebelled against God, went into slavery, got taken out, and to conclude, only 1/3 are going to make it from the entire years this world has lived, which is sad. The end. So if you're an Israelite, like GOD says, make sure to repent to the son, worship the father. obey his laws, serve him with faith and fear and there you go!

Now, for those who say I hate White people, no, I only hate what your forefathers have done, and those of your people that are currently living in luxury with STOLEN resources. If you aren't like this, I see no reason to dislike you, and to those who aren't Israelites, no idea what to say.

If you want to be mad at anyone, be mad at God, and I suggest you don't, but if you are, then what more can I say?
 

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And this isn't racism either, this is God simply choosing his people, NOT the other Nations, so if you aren't chosen, then enjoy this earthly kingdom while it lasts. Why does it have to be this way? That's just how God wanted it.
Doesn't sound like an all-loving and all-merciful God to me.
 

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And this isn't racism either, this is God simply choosing his people, NOT the other Nations, so if you aren't chosen, then enjoy this earthly kingdom while it lasts. Why does it have to be this way? That's just how God wanted it.
Then again its no worse than the Abrahamic/Christian concept of God in general and at least you think it's those who were poor and oppressed who will be saved rather than the rich oppressor.
 

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I provided you with all the scriptures of the gentiles being saved and not only that, but also the passages that refute jewish supremacy among other races already in the body of Christ as their is neither jew or greek as all are equal and one in Christ. According to your logic though Cornelius (the first non jew ever saved) must have been part of the 12 tribes of Israel? No, he wasnt jewish. He was a gentile(white man according to you). You are willfully in denial of too many scriptures to support your ethnic supremacist doctrine.

Your in denial cause there are plenty of white christians or men and women of God with the holy spirit. You cant deny it so your theology isnt even consistent and you retract your statements and assert things like ok whites can be saved but only a small number like 5 percent can be saved and put an actual limit or number on it. Thats not even biblical... Paul revealed it WAS ALWAYS Gods plan to extend the kingdom to the gentiles once the fullness of the time had come.

Somewhere along your walk with the lord you were subverted by the spirit behind judaism. Its not too late to read the NT again and come back to sound doctrine. Highlight and pay close attention to God SAVING and dealing with the gentiles
 
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