The TRUE BIBLICAL TRUTH; Esau will fall, Jacob will rise

[LittleLady]

You are most certainly racist. I don’t read the Bible and think about the color everyone is.

So..he’s angry and heated up his bronze to look like chocolate? Is that what you’re trying to say?

How do you know that Jesus had bread and wine for His last supper? Is that all He had to you think?
I still don’t get what you’re trying to get at with the wine thing.

The Jews don’t believe in Jesus..why they wanted Him to be crucified instead of Barabbas. They still don’t believe in Him and won’t until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in..Romans 11

God most certainly didn’t teach you this stuff..its not from God and its not Biblical..and you have zero chance of any real Christian believing you on this.

No, he appears as a Black man would look is what I'm trying to say. The Bible says he has skin like fine brass as if burned in a furnace, which would look like skin of that of a Black man. That is his natural skin color, and since he's the son of God, God would look extremely similar to him as well. All men were made in his image, yes, people originally had skin tones like that before mutations started occuring after the fall of Adam and Eve.

Even atheists know that Jesus had wine and bread at the last supper, you call yourself Christian but you aren't aware of that? That is one of the most basic things you should already be aware about, Lisa. That is why I have my suspicions of you. Either you're not a real Christian, or you're not studying which is something you're supposed to do. How could you not know something as simple as that?

I'm saying that some people think he has red eyes due to drinking wine because drinking wine can change the contrast of your eyes a little. Some people think the "fire in his eyes" represents passion and/or anger. I said this because Jesus is described as having eyes as red as a flaming fire. So those were just two interpretations of what that can mean.

God sure did teach me this. You cannot say he didn't. Gods people reach a certain point in their life where they learn about who they are, and then they start working on abiding by Gods laws. Two most important things you should know. Who are you, and are you doing Gods will and abiding his laws?

I keep saying it's bloodlines but you keep ignoring that part so if you want to continue thinking I'm racist, at this point, think whatever you like. So long as I know my truth, that's what's most important.

 

[KoncreteMind]

That whole paragraph just gives bonus points to my argument.

Maybe in regards to the importance (biblically speaking) of bloodlines. But not in regards to Esau being white people.

 

[LittleLady]

The Holy Spirit leads you to truth and this isn’t the truth according to the Bible.
John‬ ‭16:13‬ ‭
But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth.

John 16:13 But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to | New American Standard Bible - NASB 1995 (NASB1995) | Download The Bible App Now

But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to

www.bible.com

Yep, and that is exactly what he did with me.

 

[LittleLady]

Maybe in regards to the importance (biblically speaking) of bloodlines. But not in regards to Esau being white people.

Esau is White, would you like to look back at my main post about that?

 

[Artful Revealer]

You guys are not reading everything, because all of your questions I knew you'd ask is all in there!

Yes, God personally revealed to me that I am chosen, and I would know anyways because I know I am cursed, and I explained that Israelites are cursed, and if they know what curses they fall under, they are identified as Gods chosen.

Well isn't the VC board blessed. Not only did we already have one of God's chosen in KoncreteMind, we've got the honour of having 2!

VC forums must be rampant with pagans and disbelievers for it to have become one of God's focal points. xD

 

[A Freeman]

Esau is White, would you like to look back at my main post about that?

If Esau's body was white, why wouldn't his fraternal TWIN brother Jacob/Israel's body likewise have been white please?

And what nation and company of nations fit all of the prophetic descriptions of the PEOPLE Israel (not the counterfeit Jewish state in the LAND of Israel in the Middle East)?

 

[KoncreteMind]

Esau is White, would you like to look back at my main post about that?

I read it and I disagree(d)...

Here is the "white man" in the bible:

Deuteronomy 28
49 The Lord shall bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flieth; a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand; 50 A nation of fierce countenance, which shall not regard the person of the old, nor shew favour to the young:

Esau/Edom spoke the same language as his twin brother Jacob/Israel. Esau/Edom lived right by Jacob/Israel. He wasnt far away and he didnt speak a language Israel didnt know.

Genesis 10
2 The sons[a] of Japheth: Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshek and Tiras.
3 The sons of Gomer: Ashkenaz, Riphath and Togarmah.

Genesis 9
God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

If anything, they're Japheth.

 

[Lyfe]

First off we need to understand who Israel is as defined by the Bible...

Rom 9:4 Who are Israelites; to whom [pertaineth] the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service [of God], and the promises;
Rom 9:5 Whose [are] the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ [came], who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they [are] not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, [are they] all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these [are] not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Rom 9:9 For this [is] the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sarah shall have a son.

What does the scripture mean when it says they are not all Israel which are are of Israel? The passage suggests that the concept behind Israel has more than physical and hereditary implications... It means you could still be a Jew, but not be a part of the true Israel. The Bible speaks of an Israel of God and an Israel according to the flesh(1 Corinthians 10:18) Who are the children of promise and Abraham's seed?

Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Its plain that Israel according to the flesh are not the children of God and the true seed of Abraham are those in Christ. If you read the following passage carefully the answer is found within in regards who the Israel of God is.


Gal 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
Gal 6:16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace [be] on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

Its obvious that the Israel of God, or true Israel are Christians. Paul said that being of the circumcision(the jews) and uncircumcision(gentiles) means nothing, but all that matters is being a new creation( in Christ). He also says that there is no difference between greek or jew. Therefore by logical deduction the Israel of God must be Christians, because If the Israel of God were hereditary Israel or even believing Israelite's then Paul would be contradicting himself in what he just said in the passage prior. The passage of scripture preceding the Israel of God mention states there is no difference or superiority between jew or greek in Christ so to assume Paul was referring to the Israel of God as believing jews or hereditary jews would not make sense, because it sets up a special recognition or idea of a class within a class that Paul just discredited.

 

[KoncreteMind]

Well isn't the VC board blessed. Not only did we already have one of God's chosen in KoncreteMind,

Well it seems, and I could be wrong, that shes a Native American. Thats a big difference...

 

[KoncreteMind]

First off we need to understand who Israel is as defined by the Bible...

Yea dont define it by what God said but by what Paul said lol

 

[Lyfe]

Yea dont define it by what God said but by what Paul said lol

By that logic I could attribute the OT to Moses or Jeremiahs or Isaiah's writings and not God....

 

[DavidSon]

Esau/Edom spoke the same language as his twin brother Jacob/Israel. Esau/Edom lived right by Jacob/Israel. He wasnt far away and he didnt speak a language Israel didnt know.

Good point. I find this to be a logical flaw to the OP's interpretation. Two brothers couldn't be 100% black and then 100% white, even symbolically. Some Jews take the Jacob/Esau dichotomy to express personalities; the man of the field vs. the man of learning, which is interesting.

Through life changes I'm less attracted to the OT, but what many don't realize (especially Christians) is what is being said by the Hebrew Israelite is exactly what the OT says. The focus of the tribe of YHWH and the entire story is about bloodlines, family genealogy. Orthodox Jews pro-port the exact same teachings (think of the Coen/Khan line of "priests".) I think therein lies a danger too, of sharing a model that mixes spiritual awakening with anger, resentment, or fear.

Within the unfolding of history we can't forget other scattered Judaic tribes. I've brought them up before but Ethiopia and Yemen have a living tradition dating back to antiquity. There doesn't seem to be much talk about how they tie in.

 

[KoncreteMind]

By that logic I could attribute the OT to Moses or Jeremiahs or Isaiah's writings and not God....

Umm the difference being throughout their writings they quote God as speaking what they wrote. Paul was writing on his own accord, and at times, PERSONAL letters to specific people/places.

Or in short one has alot of "thus saith the Lord's" while the other didnt have any...

 

[LittleLady]

If Esau's body was white, why wouldn't his fraternal TWIN brother Jacob/Israel's body likewise have been white please?

And what nation and company of nations fit all of the prophetic descriptions of the PEOPLE Israel (not the counterfeit Jewish state in the LAND of Israel in the Middle East)?

This picture answers all of your questions about Esau.


And explains why the White Man is in control. Again, obviously not all White people are bad, but the truth is, the majority of them are.

Your question, why is Jacob not White? He wasn't meant to be White. That's how God wanted it, because if Jacob was White, there'd be more White people as we speak but God loves Jacob so that's why. It's just you got one group of White people, and you got a group of Black people. Also, as you said, they're FRATERNAL twins.

People of Israel...you know there's interpretations. One thing for sure is, Gods people would know if they studied about the curses put upon them. Definitely, many Black people (Africans, African-Americans) are Israelites, I'm 100% sure Black Mexicans are Israelites, certain Indians, certain Guatemalans, some Native Americans, some White-passing people, some Puerto Ricans, and that's all it appears to look like.

SOMETHING IMPORTANT WORTH KNOWING is that we don't really know, because the White Man dropped us off EVERYWHERE so we can't know exactly which place in which place we came from. I'm African American, and I don't know exactly WHERE in Africa I'm from.

That is why you should know that this all comes down to bloodlines. With that being said, your second question can only have so much of an answer.

 

[Lyfe]

Umm the difference being throughout their writings they quote God as speaking what they wrote. Paul was writing on his own accord, and at times, PERSONAL letters to specific people/places.

Or in short one has alot of "thus saith the Lord's" while the other didnt have any...

Yeah we get it Koncrete you are a Paul and Jesus denying Jew. Carry on....

 

[KoncreteMind]

Good point. I find this to be a logical flaw to the OP's interpretation. Two brothers couldn't be 100% black and then 100% white, even symbolically. Some Jews take the Jacob/Esau dichotomy to express personalities; the man of the field vs. the man of learning, which is interesting.

Through life changes I'm less attracted to the OT, but what many don't realize (especially Christians) is what is being said by the Hebrew Israelite is exactly what the OT says. The focus of the tribe of YHWH and the entire story is about bloodlines, family genealogy. Orthodox Jews pro-port the exact same teachings (think of the Coen/Khan line of "priests".) I think therein lies a danger too, of sharing a model that mixes spiritual awakening with anger, resentment, or fear.

Within the unfolding of history we can't forget other scattered Judaic tribes. I've brought them up before but Ethiopia and Yemen have a living tradition dating back to antiquity. There doesn't seem to be much talk about how they tie in.

Why are you less attracted to the OT?

It would seem to me, that the Ethiopian/Yemen tribes are either converts, or descendants of Solomon/Sheba and/or Israelite/Ethiopian unions that happened during Solomon's/Sheba's time. How that ties into them being literal Israelites Im not sure (theres a time where mixed unions were casted out of Israel in the bible). But as long as they're following the commandments I would think they'd have a place no matter their bloodline.

 

[KoncreteMind]

Yeah we get it Koncrete you are a Paul and Jesus denying Jew. Carry on....

I just think its ridiculous that your first attempt at defining Israel, isnt using words that God said, but what Paul said. In fact, thats all you used. So of course Im going to defend the word of my Creator over what a man said/says....

 

[Artful Revealer]

Jesus had bread and wine for his last supper.

Undeniable proof that Jesus was French!

 

[LittleLady]

Good point. I find this to be a logical flaw to the OP's interpretation. Two brothers couldn't be 100% black and then 100% white, even symbolically. Some Jews take the Jacob/Esau dichotomy to express personalities; the man of the field vs. the man of learning, which is interesting.

Through life changes I'm less attracted to the OT, but what many don't realize (especially Christians) is what is being said by the Hebrew Israelite is exactly what the OT says. The focus of the tribe of YHWH and the entire story is about bloodlines, family genealogy. Orthodox Jews pro-port the exact same teachings (think of the Coen/Khan line of "priests".) I think therein lies a danger too, of sharing a model that mixes spiritual awakening with anger, resentment, or fear.

Within the unfolding of history we can't forget other scattered Judaic tribes. I've brought them up before but Ethiopia and Yemen have a living tradition dating back to antiquity. There doesn't seem to be much talk about how they tie in.

You know what? God revealed to me yesterday THROUGH my sister (because we were having a conversation on this) that Jacob was Black and Esau was White so that Jacob can be satisfied in the end.

God knew what Esau was going to do, and at some point, he allowed Esau to do it. Why? Because the Israelites were not keeping the laws of God. They went through thick and thin but God sent Moses to get his people out of Egypt. Nowadays, we're still basically slaves to the system of the White Man but during the Millennium, God specifically says that Jesus and the Israelites will slay Esau and that will be a time of relief and joy because of what they have done to his people.

To others, it may seem horrible, but it's not. It is justice and vengeance, and as God says, vengeance shall be his, and if vengeance is his, it is his peoples vengeance as well.

I am from the Tribe of Judah, God revealed this to me months ago. Therefore, I am supposed to be a leader and bring back the other tribes to Jesus Christ. That is why I made this thread. You can see that many disagree, and they can if they want to, but I am ONLY trying to reach OTHER ISRAELITES.

 

[LittleLady]

Undeniable proof that Jesus was French!

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Get off my thread with that foolishness. It's obviously stirring anger spirits within you, so take your leave.