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justjess

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What part of this is legal:

- Handing out guns illegally from the back of your car
- Patrolling with guns without legal gun permits
- Forcing residents to show ID to access their own homes
- Destroying private and government property
- Taking over a city park and enforcing segregation within it
- Declaring your own autonomous country within the U.S.
- Forcing the police out
- Taking over private residential and business blocks without the owners consent

You don’t need a permit to open carry in Washington state. Police left on their own and the station is still staffed. Enough to be upset about without exaggerating.
 

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You don’t need a permit to open carry in Washington state. Police left on their own and the station is still staffed. Enough to be upset about without exaggerating.
Did the police leave on their own..just one day decided to abandon the station? Right...

She blamed “the city” for giving in to “severe public pressure” for the decision to pull out of the East Precinct building.
 

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Did the police leave on their own..just one day decided to abandon the station? Right...

She blamed “the city” for giving in to “severe public pressure” for the decision to pull out of the East Precinct building.
Did anyone forcibly escort them Lisa?
 

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We all already know the truth: The police left because they were under serious threat and being attacked.

"Durkan and city officials have maintained the pullback from the precinct was made “as part of the proactive effort to guard against potential damage or fire” after what the mayor said were decisions made by SPD based on “specific information from the FBI” about threats to the 12th and Pine facility and other buildings in Seattle.

“You fought for days to protect it,” she tells the officers.” I asked you to stand on that line day in and day out, to be pelted with projectiles, to be screamed at, threatened, and in some cases hurt. Then to have a change of course nearly two weeks in — it seems like an insult and our community.”


The police had to fight to protect their station, so no, the situation was not peaceful. Are you telling me if an angry mob surrounds your home, threatens your family and threatens to set fire to your home... that's legal and you'd be just fine with it? I call bullshit.

Regarding the guns: Raz Simone was handing out guns to random people. To even own a gun, much less open carry, you must have a proper permit in the first place. But you should know this, right?

"Department of Licensing requires that you fill out an application, get your fingerprints taken, and pass a background check. You need to be a Seattle resident to apply for a permit through the Seattle Police Department: 30 day waiting period - If you are a WA state resident, living here for a minimum of 90 days."
You do not need a permit to open carry. You have no idea if the people carrying are carrying their own guns or not. But you don’t need to own a gun to be in possession of one. You just can’t have a felony. Were the criminal records of everyone seen holding a gun posted somewhere?

the police were not forcibly escorted. That was a decision made by the police or by the city. as I said there is enough to be upset about without exaggerating.
 

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Is the city the protesters?
The police chief says she didn’t want to go but that wasn’t her choice..so the city made that choice..and let the protesters take it over..and the city around it and hold it..so I would say that the police chief wanted to keep holding down the fort and deal with the protesters.
 

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The police chief says she didn’t want to go but that wasn’t her choice..so the city made that choice..and let the protesters take it over..and the city around it and hold it..so I would say that the police chief wanted to keep holding down the fort and deal with the protesters.
Is the City the protesters?
 

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You're totally reaching here. Raz Simone on video handing out guns to random people is already proof they did not go through background checks, finger printing, and get proper permits to have the guns in the first place. No more proof is needed.


Whether the police walked out or were escorted is way beside the actual point. They were under serious attack by a mob. They were being hit with objects, some were physically hurt. There were credible threats of arson on their station and other buildings. NONE of that is legal or ok, and it's no exaggeration that they were in danger.
Are rocks worse then tear gas, pepper spray and rubber bullets? Where did we get these credible threats of arson? From the fbi? The same fbi I’ve seen conservatives previously accuse of being agents of the deep state/liberal agenda? How can you trust reports of threats from an agent of the deep state in one instance but dismiss reports of white supremacist infiltration in the protests and Russian interference in the election from the same FBI elsewhere because they are “deep state”? Can you guys just make up your minds because the process being used to accept and reject information is so illogical it’s impossible to keep up.

as I said earlier... they should and will be dealt with. But you don’t need to exaggerate what’s actually going on.

how do you know they were random people? How do you know they don’t have gun permits or haven’t had a background check? Where is your proof of this?
 

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What part of this is legal:

- Handing out guns illegally from the back of your car
It's called gifting
- Patrolling with guns without legal gun permits
None needed
- Forcing residents to show ID to access their own homes
The state does that all the time
- Destroying private and government property
I take issue with that
- Taking over a city park and enforcing segregation within it
Public property, the segregation is likely exaggerated
- Declaring your own autonomous country within the U.S.
Yeah, some states tried to do that a while back. Didn't work for them either.
- Forcing the police out
They weren't
- Taking over private residential and business blocks without the owners consent\
Again an issue
 

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how do you know they were random people? How do you know they don’t have gun permits or haven’t had a background check? Where is your proof of this?
I don't see how it matters either way. Do I really need a permit for a .22 to hunt rabbits? Fuck state-ism.
 

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I don't see how it matters either way. Do I really need a permit for a .22 to hunt rabbits? Fuck state-ism.
Last I checked no one has ever asked a single second amendment protester (including the stay hoMe protesters All over the country recently) to show their firearms paperwork or permits. So I agree
 

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You do not need a permit to open carry.
-.- ... not unless, you have damned good reason, that is-> hunting, fishing, target practice, etc., or while you are traveling to those activities. You can also open carry if you're just hanging out at home. Odd, considering there are no other restrictions and the stand your ground law. Concealed carry is also an option though it does require a permit.

BUT it is permitted almost everywhere else, in case anyone didn't know this... excellent point, Jess. :)

As for the rest-- the Seattle government enabled this takeover-- at least that is my understanding. And what an interesting state of affairs-- Libs with guns! No wonder there isn't much coverage.

Soo... why is this really being permitted to continue? How does this madness benefit the government?

De-escalation?
 

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Move along..nothing to see here..your government at work.
Man is killed and a 14-year-old boy is wounded after gunmen fired into their Jeep at Seattle's CHOP zone - as protesters claim those inside the vehicle opened fire first and police say the crime scene has been 'disturbed'
The city of Seattle and Mayor Jenny Durkan made efforts to dismantle the CHOP last week.
Officials were forced to back away from the plans when a protester laid down in the street to block Seattle Department of Transportation crews and heavy machinery from removing barricades around the occupied zone.
Since then, negotiations between city leadership and organizers have broken down and hundreds of protesters have said they will refuse to leave the area until their demands have been met.
The encampment has become more difficult to manage, drawing violence and a large homeless population since the onset of the occupation three weeks ago.
 

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Seattle CHOP zone armed security 'fired 300 rounds' on night they shot dead black 16-year-old driving a Jeep who crashed into a barrier and injured a 14-year-old as medic says it's like a 'war zone'
 

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CHOP avoids the chop: Defiant occupants of Seattle's cop-free zone rebuild barricades and fortify their compound just MINUTES after the city attempted to reclaim the 'war zone'
 

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If the leaders of CHOP deputize people, thus making them equal to police officers. They wont need permits for their guns, just like police officers don't :)
 

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Seattle Mayor defends CHOP until they show up at her house.


“Seattle can and should peacefully demonstrate but should not put families and children at risk,” Mayor Durkan said Sunday night in a statement reacting to the protesters’ visit to her home, adding that Councilmember Sawant led the group to her home “without regard for the safety of the Mayor and her family”

“Seattle City Councilmember Kshama Sawant joined a large group of protesters outside the CHOP zone who marched to Durkan’s house on Sunday afternoon,” local NBC affiliate KING-TV reports.

Three people have died since Mayor Durkan declared the CHOP occupation a “summer of love” – but, now that the protest has come to her home, Durkan believes the movement has gone too far, PJ Media writes in reaction to the mayor’s comments:

“So it’s fine with Mayor Durkan if you are subjected to threats and have your free speech and other constitutional rights violated for days and weeks on end. She has allowed this condition to fester for thousands of Seattle residents.
“But show up to protest on her doorstep? That’s going too far.”


SOOOO TYPICAL. Citizens have been living under domestic terrorism (CHOP) for weeks and weeks and the Democrat Mayor laughs it off. Until they come for her, of course, and now is CHOP being dismantled as a result.

Hypocrisy.
And a council member led them to her house..haha!
But when it happens to people in a six block area it’s the summer of love?

Seems serious! From the Article:

Using her official position to lead a march to my home, despite the fact that it was publicly known I was not there, and she and organizers knew that my address was protected under the state confidentiality program because of threats against me due largely to my work as U.S. Attorney. All of us have joined hundreds of demonstrations across the City, but Councilmember Sawant and her followers chose to do so with reckless disregard of the safety of my family and children. In addition, during or after Councilmember Sawant’s speech at that rally, her followers vandalized my home by spray-painting obscenities
 
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