CHAZ

[Lisa]

The link to the first article doesn't work. I was hoping to see some evidence of all the alleged criminal activity.

The second link works but also falls short of proving any of the blatant exaggerations you are promoting.

You may have to change the word r*pe in the link since VC changes the a to a star in that word...

There are no exaggerations..how could they be? Not everyone things that chaz is righteous..

 

[justjess]

You may have to change the word r*pe in the link since VC changes the a to a star in that word...

There are no exaggerations..how could they be? Not everyone things that chaz is righteous..

Not everyone wanting more actual facts thinks Chaz is “righteous” either. Some people would just rather not be inundated with propaganda from either side

 

[Lisa]

Not everyone wanting more actual facts thinks Chaz is “righteous” either. Some people would just rather not be inundated with propaganda from either side

They are doing wrong and should be stopped but they are allowed to keep going and wrecking the lives of the people that live there..that’s not propaganda only common sense.

 

[justjess]

They are doing wrong and should be stopped but they are allowed to keep going and wrecking the lives of the people that live there..that’s not propaganda only common sense.

Ok.. I’ll say it slow. The articles you posted about the crime rates in Chaz, the claims being made about what’s going on in Chaz... without actual facts can only be considered propaganda because if there were facts you best believe they would be plastering them all over the place. This is a seperate issue from the creation and occupation of Chaz itself. One can want facts on the first issue without automatically supporting the second.

 

[Lisa]

Ok.. I’ll say it slow. The articles you posted about the crime rates in Chaz, the claims being made about what’s going on in Chaz... without actual facts can only be considered propaganda because if there were facts you best believe they would be plastering them all over the place. This is a seperate issue from the creation and occupation of Chaz itself. One can want facts on the first issue without automatically supporting the second.

Well..think about it logically..the people who run chaz took it illegally..have set up check points..hold it with guns...and you think they are decent and honorable people? Who run a decent and honorable show inside their gates...um ok.

 

[justjess]

Well..think about it logically..the people who run chaz took it illegally..have set up check points..hold it with guns...and you think they are decent and honorable people? Who run a decent and honorable show inside their gates...um ok.

Your bias is showing your also putting words in my mouth again.

I’m not going to make assumptions or false equivalences between two seperate issues. I’ll give you a place to start to get facts.. tabulate all the shootings which have taken place in Chaz, compare to the crime stats for shootings in that area over the same time period over the last couple years. Get back to me when you figure it out.

 

[Lisa]

Your bias is showing your also putting words in my mouth again.

I’m not going to make assumptions or false equivalences between two seperate issues. I’ll give you a place to start to get facts.. tabulate all the shootings which have taken place in Chaz, compare to the crime stats for shootings in that area over the same time period over the last couple years. Get back to me when you figure it out.

Why do I have to figure anything out..you’re the one who seems to not understand that this a serious crime has been committed in taking over this section of a city illegally and with force. Forcing others to live in a way they probably don’t want to live in...making the businesses there suffer since you’d have to be a fool to want to go into that place...and all for what? What’s the end game..or have they even thought that far?
We don’t even know the crime rate there..but if they took it illegally...you can’t tell me there isn’t any crime at all...and it isn’t about Floyd.

 

[Aero]

You may have to change the word r*pe in the link since VC changes the a to a star in that word...

There are no exaggerations..how could they be? Not everyone things that chaz is righteous..

I don't think anyone here called Chaz righteous. Maybe that argument does exist somewhere, but you bringing it here is just you attacking a strawman. Moreover, the vilifying type of rhetoric you frequently deploy is nothing more than an invitation to jump on a bandwagon.

Bandwagons don't appeal to me, so you're going to have to bring some real evidence of your claims. If I was wrong to accuse you of exaggerating you would bring out the many counts of crime. You haven't done that, so the idea that a lot of the Chaz hype, is just hype still holds the most water.

 

[Lisa]

I don't think anyone here called Chaz righteous. Maybe that argument does exist somewhere, but you bringing it here is just you attacking a strawman. Moreover, the vilifying type of rhetoric you frequently deploy is nothing more than an invitation to jump on a bandwagon.

Bandwagons don't appeal to me, so you're going to have to bring some real evidence of your claims. If I was wrong to accuse you of exaggerating you would bring out the many counts of crime. You haven't done that, so the idea that a lot of the Chaz hype, is just hype still holds the most water.

You and Jess and a few others must think they are righteous..righteous enough to defend them anyway.

I have brought you real evidence that you have discounted because it doesn’t fit your belief about what is going on there..you seem to be the ignorant one.

 

[Aero]

You and Jess and a few others must think they are righteous..righteous enough to defend them anyway.

I have brought you real evidence that you have discounted because it doesn’t fit your belief about what is going on there..you seem to be the ignorant one.

An open-minded approach isn't defending anyone. What you seem to mean is, by not jumping on the bandwagon I'm as guilty as whatever CHAZ folks are guilty of.

What evidence do you speak of? All I saw you bring was hearsay and straw.

 

[Lisa]

An open-minded approach isn't defending anyone. What you seem to mean is, by not jumping on the bandwagon I'm as guilty as whatever CHAZ folks are guilty of.

What evidence do you speak of? All I saw you bring was hearsay and straw.

I’ve brought a lot of evidence that you are poo-pooing..haha.

You’re not open minded at all..you are defending a stance that you personally approve of.

 

[Lisa]

 

[Artful Revealer]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1275889670715510784

 

[rainerann]

SEATTLE CRIME DATA

CRIME INDEX
2
(100 is safest)
Safer than 2% of U.S. Cities

This was before chaz. Seriously, people need to stop pretending crime didn’t exist in Seattle before chaz became a thing. Las Vegas has a lower crime rate than Seattle on an average day.


LAS VEGAS CRIME DATA

CRIME INDEX
11
(100 is safest)
Safer than 11% of U.S. Cities

The place coined “sin city” has a lower crime rate overall than Seattle.

But reality hurts the narrative I know.

Las Vegas, NV Crime Rates and Statistics - NeighborhoodScout

Most accurate 2021 crime rates for Las Vegas, NV. Your chance of being a victim of violent crime in Las Vegas is 1 in 193 and property crime is 1 in 33. Compare Las Vegas crime data to other cities, states, and neighborhoods in the U.S. on NeighborhoodScout.

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Seattle Crime Rates and Statistics - NeighborhoodScout

Most accurate 2021 crime rates for Seattle, WA. Your chance of being a victim of violent crime in Seattle is 1 in 122 and property crime is 1 in 17. Compare Seattle crime data to other cities, states, and neighborhoods in the U.S. on NeighborhoodScout.

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[justjess]

What does that have to do with the fact that people have ILLEGALLY taken over 6 blocks of Seattle? Hint: Nothing. The criminal leaders of CHAZ need to be prosecuted and jailed. The law doesn't change because you post a stat.

The illegal occupation of the area wasn’t what was in question. They most definately should be tried for that. I do hope that they are let off - the same way the conservatives who took over the federal lands were let off. But if they’re not it is what it is. It is definately illegal, it is definately causing some level oF community disturbance and that should be dealt with. However - that doesn’t justify propaganda pieces inflating or exaggerating what’s going on in there as far as the general crime rate. The crime rate (seperate from the occupation itself) should be examined objectively and comparatively to the crime rate for the same area in previous years during the same time period. That information has not been provided. Which is somewhat convenient since they’re using the claim that crime is rampant to justify the need to keep the police status quo exactly how it is. It’s fear mongering and propaganda until proven otherwise.

 

[rainerann]

What does that have to do with the fact that people have ILLEGALLY taken over 6 blocks of Seattle? Hint: Nothing. The criminal leaders of CHAZ need to be prosecuted and jailed. The law doesn't change because you post a stat.

Is this comment related to your otherwise superficial understanding of our justice system or do you really it’s possible that most of these “leaders” will actually receive jail time for promoting the chaz area according to our legal code?

what law would be used to send people to jail for this?

In reality, the only thing they really did was occupy the area for an extended period of time without a permit. In other news, the city would issue a permit to do something similar, the same they do for every large gathering or event in just about every state.

your beef is that the police are not going to work in that specific location for now and you seem to think someone can be thrown in jail for promoting an area as venue towards a particular cause if the police are also not allowed to exist in the same area.

the reason is for an entirely different reason. No one carried them out by force or at gunpoint. The Chief of police said they left as part of a safety measure to protect the police officers in the event that the police station was set on fire.

the police station was never set on fire so there is no one to accuse of arson. There will be few instances within this situation that actually justify jail time from what I can tell. Ignoring a permit rule is just going to result in some kind of fine or other form of community penalty. It won’t require jail time.

I’m very curious to hear how you assume that even the chaz leaders will end up in jail for this?

 

[rainerann]

It was even in Lisa’s article that I learned why the police left the station to begin with.

“Best remained noncommittal on a when police might return to the area, but explained that the evacuation had come after reports that the precinct could be burned down.

“We were asked to do an operational plan, in case we needed to leave,” Best said, not saying who exactly gave the order to withdraw. “We got an update that there was the potential for fire — of course if the precinct goes down in fire, the whole block could potentially burn up.”

What law would be used to arrest anyone since there does not appear to be one person directly involved with the reason for the police leaving the precinct to begin with?

Seattle Police Chief: ‘We’re Not Able to Get to’ 911 Calls for ‘Rape, Robbery’ in Autonomous Zone

The head of the Seattle’s Police Department told officers in a video address on Thursday that the decision to abandon the city’s Third Precinct to activists was “not my decision,” and has prevented the department from responding to emergency calls in the Capitol Hill neighborhood.Police Chief...

news.yahoo.com

 

[justjess]

It was even in Lisa’s article that I learned why the police left the station to begin with.

“Best remained noncommittal on a when police might return to the area, but explained that the evacuation had come after reports that the precinct could be burned down.

“We were asked to do an operational plan, in case we needed to leave,” Best said, not saying who exactly gave the order to withdraw. “We got an update that there was the potential for fire — of course if the precinct goes down in fire, the whole block could potentially burn up.”

What law would be used to arrest anyone since they were not directly involved in the reason the police left the precinct to begin with?

Seattle Police Chief: ‘We’re Not Able to Get to’ 911 Calls for ‘Rape, Robbery’ in Autonomous Zone

The head of the Seattle’s Police Department told officers in a video address on Thursday that the decision to abandon the city’s Third Precinct to activists was “not my decision,” and has prevented the department from responding to emergency calls in the Capitol Hill neighborhood.Police Chief...

news.yahoo.com

Last I checked the station was still staffed. Much ado about nothing.

 

[Lisa]

 

[Lisa]

Seattle’s mayor is not in a big hurry to take it down..

Tents on the sidewalk, renamed streets and an armed man with a coffee cup: Inside Seattle's CHOP zone as Trump warns 'we're going to go in there' if officials fail to clear the area

• Seattle's Capitol Hill Occupied Protest has taken over downtown blocks in the wake of George Floyd Protests
• CHOP is hailed by supporters as an 'ideal society' but seen by Donald Trump as home of 'thugs and anarchists'
• Seattle's mayor Jenny Durkan said on Monday that officials would begin winding it down and cops will return
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  Tent cities, renamed streets and an armed man in Seattle's CHOP zone

  The Seattle encampment known as the Capitol Hill Occupied Protest is hailed by its supporters as an 'ideal society' but derided by Donald Trump as the home of 'thugs and anarchists'.

  www.dailymail.co.uk