CHAZ

[UnderAlienControl]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1273603987845988352

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1273622596416942081

 

[Artful Revealer]

but Chaz and antifa are 100% whatever Fox News say they are? It’s frustrating.

That's because you haven't been following this side of politics closely enough.

Antifa flew over to the US from France. For America they are a new phenomenon. They were nowhere to be seen during the Obama presidency and when Trump got elected in 2016, suddenly Antifa rose up like a sleeping giant.

I already called out Antifa on Vigilant long before 2016 when FOX News had never even heard of them.

A quote from February 25, 2014:

"I simply consider them (Pussy Riot) useful idiots who serve The Establishment while thinking they oppose it, just like I think the male Antifa (antifascist organization) in France are useful idiots for the same reason."​

I already identified them as Deep State agents before America knew they existed.

And if the other VC forums hadn't been deleted, I could've shown more.

That FOX assesses them in the same way doesn't mean that suddenly what I said is no longer true. Maybe it means that FOX could sometimes be right about something. Ever crossed your mind?

 

[Corvus Metus]

That's because you haven't been following this side of politics closely enough.

Antifa flew over to the US from France. For America they are a new phenomenon.

Antifa, in it's modern form, has existed in America since at least the 1980's, under various names; anti-racist action, SHARPS, etc. It's been part of the punk movement since punk took anarchism seriously... So basically, since it's inception. They've stopped racist bands from playing venues as Antifa since at least the later end of the 2000's, with Rose City Antifa being around since 2007.

 

[Artful Revealer]

They were local and insignificant. Nobody's seen or heard of them until Trump won 2016.

 

[Artful Revealer]

They got bigger because more people recognized the fascist threat posed by Trump
and all the little Brownshirt gangs felt emboldened and showing up more so of course there was need for more of a street presence. They’ve been around for decades, food not bombs for example or the groups that applied mutual aid and defense during Hurricane Katrina. You are a detestable liar.

Hurricane Katrina? Source, please.

 

[vancityeagle]

There are people on this site who believe it is possible to fabricate ww2 to an extent that the reality and the story are completely unrecognizable from each other. But to these same people it is soo far fetched that this community was infiltrated or even started as a psy op? George Floyd didn’t really die, he’s an actor, the cop wasn’t actually the cop.. but Chaz and antifa are 100% whatever Fox News say they are? It’s frustrating.

It's called losing all touch with reality.

The perfect mind control.

The end result of CIA manipulation.

 

[vancityeagle]

They were local and insignificant. Nobody's seen or heard of them until Trump won 2016.

They are still largely insignificant if it wasn't for the fear mongering of Fox News, and Trump trying to claim any anti-right protester is a member.

Antifa has literally become any anti-Trump anti- right protester.

And to this day this crazy "terrorist"organization is still yet to record its first murder, after 4 years of hysteria.

The Fox narrative is so pathetic, it used to be that muslims were going to take over America and make is all follow sharia law, now its college kids dressed in black that is the threat.

How do people consume such garbage ?

 

[Lisa]

A chokehold is also a last resort.

Only you could promote literally choking people out cold, while telling me I'm ignoring the suffering of others. Lmao.

If you want to call me a hypocrite than go ahead and say it. It doesn't make your arguments any better though.

Yes it is a last resort that the police use on very uncooperative people..but if that helps them in dire circumstances then they should be able to use that.

I think you’re confusing the suffering of innocents with the suffering of criminals.

I don’t know if you are a hypocrite but I would bet you’d hate to lose the stuff you worked hard to have for nothing. I feel bad for the communities that suffered when people rioted in then and stole from the stores they went to and made their lives a bit harder and you call that good.

 

[Artful Revealer]

"At the end of the day, it's just us" – Mutual Aid, Direct Action and Disasters | We are Plan C

We were privileged to have scott crow of the Common Ground Collective join us for Plan C's first ever Zoom call on 30th September, talking about solidarity, crisis and building community outside the activist bubble. On a rainy Monday evening, over forty people in the UK joined an online call...

www.weareplanc.org

Q&A With Scott Crow

Anarchist and community organizer co-founded Common Ground Collective

www.austinchronicle.com

Plan C and Common Ground Collective. What's this got to do with Antifa? Not mentioned once in either article.

 

[Artful Revealer]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1273688806508675073

 

[Aero]

Yes it is a last resort that the police use on very uncooperative people..but if that helps them in dire circumstances then they should be able to use that.

I think you’re confusing the suffering of innocents with the suffering of criminals.

I don’t know if you are a hypocrite but I would bet you’d hate to lose the stuff you worked hard to have for nothing. I feel bad for the communities that suffered when people rioted in then and stole from the stores they went to and made their lives a bit harder and you call that good.

The new choke-hold rule doesn't say a cop can't fight back if they are under attack.

Jesus would disagree with you about criminality. I think it's more righteous to forgive, or at least not dehumanize people. Like we get it, there are criminals and some of them are objectively terrible. That doesn't mean we should throw them into a dungeon and laugh at it like we're spectators at some ancient Roman colosseum.

You don't speak for me. You don't know what I would hate or do or not do. It's not my job or business to worry about who lost what. Those businesses that got burned down or looted pay taxes, they also pay an insurance company. Basically I'm not the one screwing them, so I'm not going to feel guilty.

 

[Lisa]

The new choke-hold rule doesn't say a cop can't fight back if they are under attack.

Jesus would disagree with you about criminality. I think it's more righteous to forgive, or at least not dehumanize people. Like we get it, there are criminals and some of them are objectively terrible. That doesn't mean we should throw them into a dungeon and laugh at it like we're spectators at some ancient Roman colosseum.

You don't speak for me. You don't know what I would hate or do or not do. It's not my job or business to worry about who lost what. Those businesses that got burned down or looted pay taxes, they also pay an insurance company. Basically I'm not the one screwing them, so I'm not going to feel guilty.

Well, how would they fight back then? Just by punches or something? If they choke them out..it ends a lot faster and people don’t get hurt. Either way...if you are trying to evade arrest it’s gonna hurt you.

You dehumanize people by saying its ok they lost their stuff..their way of living for a stupid cause that isn’t even about a black guy dying..if it were..we’d be upset about black killing blacks which is their leading cause of death and black babies dying..

This is awesome

I love the truth. The truth is a deafening thing sometimes.

153news.net

No one treats them like they are in the colosseum...that’s disingenuous.

It doesn’t matter that they have insurance..they have to rebuild..that takes time..people who worked in those stores are out of jobs..the community have to travel to other communities to shop now..what if you don’t have a car and have to now take a bus to do your grocery shopping and lugging your items home? And there’s some stuff you can’t replace. You have no heart...you don’t think that you’re screwing them..but you don’t care that they got screwed.

 

[Lisa]

Frustrated residents near Seattle's 'CHOP' zone want their neighborhood back

Some residents near the "Capitol Hill Organized Protest" want their lives back amid ongoing occupation in their neighborhood.

www.king5.com

Can’t really blame those people!

 

[Wigi]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1273688806508675073

A deadly shooting in Chop:

Shooting in Seattle protest zone leaves one dead. Police say 'violent crowd' denied them entry | CNN

Seattle police say a "violent crowd" prevented them reaching two shooting victims -- one whom later died -- inside the city's autonomous protest zone Saturday.

www.cnn.com

Raz Simone lies and blames medics and police:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1274541843779252229

The comments are worth the read. Just a few:

"You have doctors and hospitals in your own country don't you?? No?"

"Have you thought about banning guns? I hear it works great in places like Chicago..."

"You don't get to shout to "tear down the system" and then complain when it doesn't save you, because YOU made it dangerous to operate there. You want medical treatment in your socialist paradise? Guess you better build a hospital and recruit some doctors."

"Hey dude, just want to try and explain why. I'm EMS. You just had two shootings. You also have people walking around the area with guns. We're not going in unless the police are there too to watch our backs, period. Our lives mean something too."

"I don’t understand - I thought in the Utopian world of CHAZ, that Black Lives Mater. Who shot these Black Men leading to one to die? The US didn’t The residents of Chaz should protest & maybe create new autonomous zone within the zone called CHAD where the super Woke can live."

"-Block police from an area.
-Create hostile area for white men who don't bend the knee.
-Get someone shot.
-Whine when white men refuse to enter the dangerous area to fix the problem you created.
-Never even consider simply carrying the injured guy out to paramedics."

Honestly Seattle reminds me of the Soviet occupation zone in East Germany and their lawless enclave of east berlin. This is why capitalism always wins.

 

[Lisa]

My terrifying five-day stay inside Seattle’s cop-free CHAZ

My terrifying five-day stay inside Seattle’s cop-free CHAZ

SEATTLE — On June 8, Seattle police frantically loaded what they could from the East Precinct into trucks and cars. Within hours, they boarded up and abandoned the station. That night, left-wing pr…

nypost.com

Edit: Starting to make more sense now..

The neighborhood is the heart of Seattle’s gay and counter-culture district, and is densely filled with businesses and apartment buildings. The CHAZ now claims all of it.

 

[Lisa]

Is Chaz really done?
Seattle will move to dismantle the city's CHAZ after two shootings that left one dead and 14 days of no police because it is 'distracting' from peaceful protests

Seattle will move to dismantle protest zone, mayor says

Seattle's mayor Jenny Durkan says the city will move to wind down the 'occupied' protest zone following two recent shootings, including one that left a man dead.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Police release video of 'angry crowd that stopped them from getting to victims' inside Seattle's autonomous zone as rapper victim, 19, is named

Two more shootings investigated inside Seattle's 'cop free' zone

One victim suffering a bullet wound has been admitted to the Harborview Medical Center, Seattle, while a separate shooting has also been reported. Pictured: Armed members of the volunteer security.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Lisa]

Trump in charge here?
DC police stop protesters setting up a 'Black House Autonomous Zone' outside the White House and prevent them from tearing down a statue of Andrew Jackson

DC police stop protesters setting up a 'Black House Autonomous Zone'

'Hey, Hey, Ho, Ho, Andrew Jackson's got to go,' protesters shouted as they threw ropes around the statue of the controversial seventh president whose figure is depicted on a horse in Lafayette Square.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Lisa]

Trump declares there will never be an Autonomous Zone in the capital 'as long as I'm your President' and threatens 'serious force' to protesters who tried to topple Andrew Jackson statue and erect a black, police-free space

Trump: 'There will never be Autonomous Zone as long as I'm President'

President Donald Trump is voicing his fury over Monday night's protests, declaring there will 'never' be an autonomous zone on Capitol Hill as long as he's president.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Lisa]

I understand some of the comments to that - if he intervenes, they won. It’s first the duty of the city’s mayors to take control over their cities.
They should all go to jail. for a long time. They will all get no punishment at all, will be glorified, will still receive funds to do drugs and “protests”, record deals etc, and someone else will have to suffer the consequences.
And it’s getting worse. You see everyone in the media showing support and encouraging them in their terroristic behavior.
They must be more insane than the terrorists for encouraging America’s destruction.
See it from these points of view:
- it’s the mayor first who has to take action;
- entire press and celebrities are speaking for, supporting, donating money, food, glorifying terroristic actions;
- they made a statement that goal is to get Trump out
- nobody is speaking about white people getting killed. Only black people matter
- they are engaging in racists rituals, segregating whites from the blacks and asking white people to kneel in front of blacks and kiss their feet;
- universities have fired heads of department and teachers for not being vocal about their “movement”;
- Brand are hysterically removing with no reason names, pictures, logos , caving into ridiculous demands;
- despite rise in criminality caused by the BLM, total destruction, racist attacks on white people, claims that white people should die in order for black people to be restored into society, foreign interference with presidential election (cause now it’s not a THING),

despite all of that and more, everyone is supporting those criminals with mayors failing and/or refusing to do their job.

All this because an upcoming election and Obama’s identity politics. The victim culture and media that is purposely grooming young people into thinking that black people are victims (not mentioning that black people are killing black people the most) , and as far as anyone else’s concerned: abortion is cool, no more family values let’s all be gay, decriminalize p***philia, conservatives are the evil. They are the fascist and communists.

The problem starts in schools and then universities. Along with a leftist culture manufacturing stories according to their objective.

If people are so insane to support terrorist attacks against their own country just to win over republicans, how do you think it will play out if Trump interferes now?
He should arrest them all. But no matter if he is doing it or not, they won’t stop. The mayor only made that statement of taking back part of the city after her own safety was jeopardized.
Curios over all demands and gifts the mayor is going to give to them just to agree.
How is that fair, that even if the mayor or Trump intervenes, the damage will be repaired by others. Those terrorists will return to their mommies preparing for the next attack.

i have posted earlier a twitter thread about a investigation over Raz Simone and his ties to the Islamic government and Clinton. People like this should go to prison. For a long time.

This issues won’t be solved until they get what they deserve. Let this also be a warning for all the citizens living in the respective areas who are equally supporting it. If they would speak out and sue the city, it would send out a message, especially in a blue state.
But no. They are keeping it quite. Hence, they don’t feel threatened, hence let them live in terror.
NY wants to abolish police and the people living in NY have no problem with the events of the past week? Fine.
Why should anyone intervene at this point, if no one, or the majority, is not bothered ?
How do you think it will play out if Trump intervenes?

I think that some of the people living in chaz are quite frightened about speaking out, honestly. If they speak out they will have those people at their doors and I wouldn’t want that especially since the police can’t come help them if that happens.

As for the people who want to abolish the police..is it all the people in that area..or is it just a vocal minority that has the power of the local government? Maybe people learned a long time ago that their voice won’t be heard and the labels they can put on you and your family..I can see that as being a deterrent honestly. Maybe people just hope this will all go away and things will finally return to normal..or they all for it..carry on. Haha.

I think trump has intervened in DC but won’t intervene elsewhere and let the locals see who’s in charge and how crazy they are to let it go..maybe change some minds? Who knows. Either way, no matter what he does will be reported as wrong...which is rough when you aren’t the drive by media’s darling candidate.

I think most of America wants to go back to normal and not have all this stuff happening and would like it all to go away. However, this is just the lead up to the election and when trump wins in November..Aye yih, yih..I don’t see it going away and just like the last four years..attack after attack and I would imagine they will try to kill off the economy again with the virus to punish us all. Hope I’m wrong..but its worrying all that they’ve done so far.

 

[Lisa]

Yes to all above.
They already have a billion dollar company leaving for Phoenix I believe, due to what’s happening there. I just read it.
Yes, it won’t stop. It will go on and on forever until more young people are waking up and/or it will have a huge detrimental impact on university and companies who haven’t completely caved to the insanity.
And what all people defunding the police have in common? Criminals wanting to get off with no punishment.
Everything that has been revealed in the past weeks shows the insanity of the left side and i believe and hope at the same time that some people will understand the danger that comes from voting for the left side.
I mean - they want to defund the police ? All you need to do is take a look at areas where police isn’t there anymore. At least not very present. Such as NY and Seattle.
Who in their right mind would vote for a party endangering their life? What’s the upside to that??

Perhaps it has to do with freedom from consequences? A lot of people have got away with a lot of criminal behavior all in the name of protesting...and the government has shown themselves to be weak and ineffectual..yet people who support them will still believe that by voting them they will have the answers? Ya..I don’t get that either.