Coronavirus

[justjess]

And absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Would less totalitarian count?

Idk. Personally, I’m creating my own “country” and checking out of this one as soon as my funding allows. I’ve had enough.

Communal and small government systems seem to avoid the worst of the totalitarian impulses though.

 

[vancityeagle]

Show me a communist system that is not totalitarian.

well considering that the definition of Communism is "a stateless society"

Communism (from Latin communis, "common, universal")[1][2] is a philosophical, social, political, economic ideology and movement whose ultimate goal is the establishment of a communist society, namely a socioeconomic order structured upon the ideas of common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money[3][4] and the STATE.[5][6]

I would say there never has been a communist state before

Totalitarianism is a political system or a form of government that prohibits opposition parties, restricts individual opposition to the state and its claims, and exercises an extremely high degree of control over public and private life.

Now much is made of one party nations like the USSR or Nazi Germany, but when you consider that there isn't really that much of a difference between political parties in places like the United States, you could argue they simply have an illusion of democracy and are really beholden to a one party state which serves Corporations and special interests.

The US just has better PR than some totalitarian states, but much is essentially the same. There are some levels of freedom in the US, but those are rapidly diminishing with this crisis.

 

[Lurker]

Idk. Personally, I’m creating my own “country” and checking out of this one as soon as my funding allows. I’ve had enough.

Communal and small government systems seem to avoid the worst of the totalitarian impulses though.

*Applies for citizenship*

 

[Thunderian]

The US is not a totalitarian state, for Pete’s sake. If it was, wouldn’t most of you have been disappeared by now?

 

[vancityeagle]

The US is not a totalitarian state, for Pete’s sake. If it was, wouldn’t most of you have been disappeared by now?

No it isn't really totalitarian, but it does have elements of totalitarianism. Some of the things people like to accuse other countries of having, america has virtually the same thing, just with a different spin on it.

For example, what is the difference between having 1 party and having 2 parties that are virtually identical.

Is coke and pepsi really a choice ?

China has a technocratic control grid with tracking and mass surveillance/spying. YES, but so does the US. What do you think the Patriot Act was all about ?

I admit there is a decent level of freedom in America, but its rapidly changing as we speak.

 

[Lurker]

Is coke and pepsi really a choice ?

Yes, Coke is superior.

but its rapidly changing as we speak

Agreed.

 

[illuminatimess]

What do you think the Patriot Act was all about ?

And when Snowden leaked their techniques to surveil the States and Europe

 

[Thunderian]

Is coke and pepsi really a choice ?

How can you even ask that?

 

[Lurker]

That reminds me of this

Back to the future with

 

[The Zone]

Let me help you with the answer before this thread gets 5 pages of the usual chit chat.

Perhaps it's because there is absolutely NOTHING he can do about it because the media are actually allowed to lie to the public?

Shall look forward to your whitty retort.

witty**

 

[Awoken2]

witty**

What a spot that was!.....well done man.

.....anything else to add?

 

[VigCizMember]

One third of participants in Massachusetts study tested positive for antibodies linked to coronavirus

Residents of a Massachusetts town are infected but don't know it.

www.foxnews.com

So much for self-quarantine measures

 

[VigCizMember]

Looks like he was right all along - Looks like you can’t really control an airborne virus - just slow the spread (and delay herd immunity)

 

[VigCizMember]

Probably we made things worse

 

[Awoken2]

The US is not a totalitarian state, for Pete’s sake. If it was, wouldn’t most of you have been disappeared by now?

Have you not heard of the term a work in progress?

 

[Dalit]

One third of participants in Massachusetts study tested positive for antibodies linked to coronavirus

Residents of a Massachusetts town are infected but don't know it.

www.foxnews.com

So much for self-quarantine measures

That's the problem. The asymptomatic and pre-symptomatic carriers as Dr. Been mentioned (see my post a couple of pages back). Yet even healthy young people and healthy middle aged people with no underlying health conditions can die from this or suffer potentially permanent damage to their lungs and possibly to their hearts.

Listening to the video below. Not sure about that guy since he's connected to Rockefeller. Raises red flags.

 

[VigCizMember]

Far worse to come: COVID-19 collapse of state and local governments

Cutting taxes and eliminating nonessential spending now is the only way state and local governments can stop a coming downward spiral.

thehill.com

More than a dozen states have extended stay-home orders past White House deadline

The president has expressed confidence that some states could begin a return to normalcy before the April 30 expiration date.

www.politico.com

Global Food Supply Chains Beginning to Erode, Crisis Looms? - Gold Telegraph

As the coronavirus continues to infect more and more people, food supply chains have started to become more strained in recent days. It was announced yesterday; the world’s biggest pork producer is closing a primary U.S plant indefinitely after a coronavirus outbreak amongst employees...

www.goldtelegraph.com

Coronavirus: Dead people are receiving $1,200 stimulus checks and their families don’t know what to do

Untold numbers of dead people have received up to $1,200 from the government as the Treasury Department began sending out coronavirus stimulus checks via direct deposit this week.Most — if not all — of the stimulus money that has accidentally been paid out to Americans who have died recently...

news.yahoo.com

Lifting UK lockdown now would allow coronavirus to ‘run rampant’ – Health Minister

The UK is yet to pass the peak of the Covid-19 epidemic, so the time to lift the lockdown has not yet arrived, Health Minister Matt Hancock has said. Otherwise, efforts to stop the virus thus far would have been for nothing.

www.rt.com

Ex-NYT reporter Berenson warns of 'big pivot' from officials to justify lockdown strategy

Former New York Times reporter Alex Berenson -- who has quickly become of one of the key figures in a growing movement questioning the strategy to lock down large sections of the country in response to the coronavirus crisis -- is warning of a “big pivot” in rhetoric from politicians and health...

www.foxnews.com

Remdesivir Shows Promise In COVID Patients In Leaked Report

AChicago hospital treating severe Covid-19 patients with Gilead Sciences’ antiviral medicine remdesivir in a closely watched clinical trial is seeing rapid recoveries in fever and respiratory symptoms, with nearly all patients discharged in less than a week, STAT has learned. https://www.statnews...

recombinomics.co

Russia’s coronavirus case tally rises by 3,448 over past day

The country’s total tally has reached 27,938

tass.com

Over 1,400 coronavirus fatalities reported in France in past day

The number of confirmed coronavirus cases in France exceeded 106,000

tass.com

This second wave stuff is BS. We know they’ll be a second wave because os social distancing- we already messed it up.

It’s best we just go back to work and encourage herd immunity so we reach the 80% needed to extinguish it.

Staying inside keeps it alive.

 

[Aero]

End the hysteria.

Speaking of hysteria. I blame the "hero's dilemma". Basically what we are seeing is a massive exposure of an unconscious HERO archetype. So now we got a bunch of doctors, politicians, and activists here playing the hero. But they aren't solving any real problems, they are creating more problems in at least the sense of there being too many cooks in the kitchen.

Every hero must face the reality that they cannot save everyone. This leads to an immense amount of internal strife. Confusion, anger, fear, and rage. Eventually, the hero is gone, and the shadow has taken over. The shadow archetype is where the current hysteria is coming from. In essence, it's all a projection

Be aware.

 

[DavidSon]

This second wave stuff is BS. We know they’ll be a second wave because os social distancing- we already messed it up.

It’s best we just go back to work and encourage herd immunity so we reach the 80% needed to extinguish it.

Staying inside keeps it alive.

Yup dozens of doctors are saying the same thing. Our corrupt authorities won't let this go away though. Their projection of mortality was off by a magnitude of 10 in some instances, and now they can use social distancing to pat themselves on the back for "saving millions". There will be new outbreaks and forced isolation until the vaccine is ready. In the US they're saying an army of 100,000 "contact trackers" are necessary to open society.

The results we're seeing from operation COVID is increased surveillance and medical martial law.

 

[UnderAlienControl]

It’s best we just go back to work and encourage herd immunity so we reach the 80% needed to extinguish it.

At this point, I would submit that that's a dubious assessment my frend. First, they don't even know if any immunity is conferred, much less the duration of any immunity conferred. Apparently people have been reinfected. So when I see mention of "herd immunity" at this stage, with a pathogen that's not been loose on the planet before, I think it could be just as easy to substitute the word "survived" instead of "immune." And possibly still no immunity that matters.

The best path to pursue at this time it seems would be to throw everything behind finding a main treatment that is effective in backing it off. And it would save lives in the process. Even if they get some kind of vaccine they say that's 12-18 months out. So effective treatments are the best bet.

I understand the spread through contact with infected people is a problem, but contaminated surfaces is a big problem, too. The Chinese weren't dressed like Stormtroopers shoulder to shoulder walking down the street gassing everything for nothing. This one is a sticky bug. In that regard it reminds me of parvo or distemper virus in regard to animals. Hearty viruses that hang around and take out a lot of animals. No immunity without a vaccination to these two lethal viruses. However, I have had pups survive parvo while their litter did not, and apparently they have immunity. But it"s such a small percentage 1-2 percent.

And if it is indeed a bioweapon, then the virus is just a way to vector the real gremlin into the body. If that's the case, it would explain all the damage it's doing to the organs, along with the clotting problems, that usually aren't seen from other viruses. I even saw something yesterday that it's causing foot lesions So there's that

So IMO opening things back up this fast will be like adding another bullet to the gun in a game of Russian Roulette. Your number might never come up, but the odds that it could will increase. That's just the odds.

That's what I think, and especially for the vulnerable and the more rural towns. This is the way that it gets out to the farm folk and everybody else who doesn't live in the city. Keeping the schools closed is probably one of the biggest mitigators at the moment. Kids seem to be prime carriers. I don't think this is in doubt.

Has it even been a month yet? Look at it this way: they asked your parents and grandparents to go off to war and all the horrors that entails before they died halfway around the world. They're asking us to spring-clean and watch Netflix while getting paid to do it. So I'll take that trade for now, because there just aren't any good choices at the moment. It's called being patient and biding your time until more is revealed. Need to see a couple more moves first to see how the board really looks. To get past the bluffs and feints and into the REAL game, not just some opening misdirections. That's all just bait.

I mean, I look at it like a game of poker. While I might know the nature and tendencies of my opponent, I haven"t seen enough cards yet to know the nature of the hand, or if he's really got anything or not off the deal. So I check until I can find out more. So for now I check until the next round. See what things look like after The Flop. Hope for surprise help on The River. Then push them All In once you know what kind of hand you've got. That's how you come from behind and turn the tables. Patience, and a bit of luck.

On a side note, I'd use this time to actually work on prepping some, because if ebola ever hits this place this is gonna seem like a picnic. Food for thought. Get those ducks in a row.

And one last thing: if there is a move afoot, what with their modeling supercomputers and such, is it impossible to imagine that this reaction was already a contingency of The Plan, and was counted on to get everybody back out there to achieve maximum saturation of the pathogen throughout the population? That the quarantines and curfews were the bluff? Is that so inconceivable?

Keeping in mind that in the 'Nam the VC would roll a grenade on the trail at a patrol to get them to dive in the ditches because that's where the punji stakes were hidden. Win win. Or the tactic seen more recently of setting off a blast, and then waiting for the responders and crowd to gather, before settng off another. The "double tap." I can see how "reopening" could be like this. Can you? Know thine enemy...