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First, you created a strawman argument claiming 5G isn't the "main cause" (which was never said or implied) and now you're trying to refute a logical, plausible answer to your question without thinking it through based on another strawman argument you've made up: that S. Korea hasn't suffered a comparable number of coronavirus cases which, in your mind, means 5G can't be a contributing factor to the thousands of cases they have there, IF we are to believe their numbers (or any of these case and death toll numbers) at all.

That's simply a deduction that cannot logically be made based upon the available evidence.




If they have been testing 5G since September 2017, and currently have 70,000,000 broadband customers, and finished their preparations for 5G at almost the exact time they started reporting coronavirus cases (mid-February 2020), then your estimate is probably a bit low.


Every time you make a statement that you cannot back up with any evidence YOU become the disinformation crowd. Labeling anyone who has noticed the obvious connections between 5G and the coronavirus, both in geographic locations as well as their identical symptoms, is yet another logical fallacy.
your own source that you posted states that Iran will be launching 5G NEXT YEAR, and that is from 2020, so that means 2021.

Iran HAS NOT LAUNCHED 5G yet, yet you keep trying to push the disinformation that they have.

Iran's deaths are not linked to 5G because they haven't launched 5G yet, so you sir are pushing disinformation.

Where on earth did you source that they have been TESTING 5G since 2017, because again that is not in the source you provided.

and if your 5G theory is so tight, you still cannot explain South Korea, no matter how hard you try, because your theory is BS

and you are the one pushing strawmans, because all I have claimed is that 5G is not the main source of Covid, and the evidence backs me up while you keep lying and twisting facts and figures to make your case work.

5G is bad for you, but guess what so is sugar, and neither sugar or 5G is causing Covid-19, whatever the hell it is.

But you know what , I get it. It feels good and cool to think you are ahead of the curve and know what the hell is going on, and what is the latest conspiracy theory. I fell for the 5G thing too, a couple of weeks back, but looking into it, its bullshit, and when you have the same crowd in the "alt media" who have been calling "hoax" for everything over the last few years doing the same in this case and pushing 5G, well I'm pretty convinced this is all BS. And it just doesn't add up when you look at places like S.Korea, Iran, Canada, it doesn't add up, it sounds cool, but thats about it.
 
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I’m evil because I want people to go back to work? People want to go back to work...
Protesters in MAGA hats and flying Confederate flags swarm Michigan, North Carolina, Ohio, Utah, Wyoming, New York and Virginia to demonstrate 'tyrannical' and 'unconstitutional' lockdown orders that are 'worse than the virus'

to be honest Lisa, I want people to go back to work too. I will admit that I am torn what to believe. Part of me thinks, this is all overblown, and they are doing this to shutdown the world economy, but then a part of me thinks that there actually is some deadly disease that is killing people, and these lockdown measures are actually not just some bullshit.

I've said this again, I dont trust Trump, I dont trust Bill Gates, I dont trust the CDC, I don't trust Fauci, I don't trust any of them, and when they create a dialectic, I think either side is filled with lies and keeping us from the truth.

Its easy to see how people get suckered in to one extreme of the debate, especially if people know of others who have died. My conclusion for now is that they are filling the airwaves, and internet will so much garbage, that we will inevitably consume some of it. We may never know what the hell really happened, but people will die, the economy will likely collapse, and our lives will never be the same again.
 
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The only things Mr.Freeman will believe is from Anthony Hill’s cult network. If it doesn’t come from an approved cult source it’s a lie. That’s how warped his reality is. It’s fascinating to see cult behaviors up close.
who the heck is anthony hill ?
 
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what u guys dont seem to get is most people are going to get the virus, the lockdown is not being done to stop the virus only the spread to give hospitals a chance, pretty sure I may have had it, and Im fine, very mild symptoms.
 

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The world SHOULDN’T revolve around CDC, especially since they are a private, federal, for-profit entity that owns 50 patents on vaccines that has no business shaping health laws, yet they somehow do.

If this was truly a pandemic that requires draconian measures like destroying the economy, forcing people out of work & the ability to provide for their families, people would be dropping dead like the Spanish Flu of 1918.

People are willfully barricading themselves indoors hiding from an invisible virus that (might) be lurking around the corner, muzzling themselves with masks like the animals that TPTB believe we are, allowing our INALIENABLE Constitutional rights to be shat on, and snitching on neighbors for going outside to check their mail.

The state of this country is pathetic.

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It already doesn't. CDC is just US, there are more countries effected than just US, those who hit their peak before US.
 

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So I don’t think that 2k a month per person is unrealistic
Wow, they always have money for the super rich.
 

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It's not evil to want to get people back to work. Well, I guess it depends on your reasoning.

I think we have done what we can. It's definitely time to open up all but the dirtiest businesses. Like strip clubs, and bars should obviously be a no go. But everywhere else should have the capabilities to sanitize and limit occupancy in some way.

We should be honest about how the pandemic spread. I mean nobody is going on vacation to South Dakota. Nobody says hey, let's move our corporate headquarters to Alaska. Nobody is traveling to 95% of America PERIOD. Except for Truck drivers. So that's my theory on how it spread, truck drivers and strip clubs.

In any case, the simple fact is few businesses make an effort to sanitize anything. And the idea that breaking the current draconian guidelines will lead to the deaths of millions is completely absurd. Take me for example. I'm obviously not sick, nobody around me has gotten sick. So, therefore, I clearly pose no risk.

I'm really wondering about the transmission of this "virus" though. People are dying because their immune systems are overworked, I get all of that. But what about these victims' first line of defense? It seems to me like maybe there's some kind of body deficiency that could be to blame. Like the human mouth doesn't inhale disease like a vacuum. Nor can a disease grow legs, chase you down and fly into your nose.
 
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....bit like a cold then? ....you must have had the famous person version of the virus.
I had a headache for around 3 days, blocked sinuses, on and off heat and nausea. Slight loss of taste. The only thing that makes me think I had the virus was, my sister had similar symptoms, more stomach pain, and she works for the NHS, she was not tested, but 2 of her friends had the exact same symptoms and tested positive for Covid-19.
 

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I had a headache for around 3 days, blocked sinuses, on and off heat and nausea. Slight loss of taste. The only thing that makes me think I had the virus was, my sister had similar symptoms, more stomach pain, and she works for the NHS, she was not tested, but 2 of her friends had the exact same symptoms and tested positive for Covid-19.
It's flu season, a cyclical thing which comes around every year which kills people. Most people survive it after dealing with varying levels of symptoms. You could easily fall into this category but due to an incessant media campaign which is specifically designed to scare the living shit out of you you now believe you may have had it already.

The ambiguity and the contradictions contained within the reporting of this virus is in no way accidental.

You are thinking exactly what they want you to think. I think you may need to read more bible today.
 
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It's flu season, a cyclical thing which comes around every year which kills people. Most people survive it after dealing with varying levels of symptoms. You could easily fall into this category but due to an incessant media campaign which is specifically designed to scare the living shit out of you you now believe you may have had it already.

The ambiguity and the contradictions contained within the reporting of this virus is in no way accidental.

You are thinking exactly what they want you to think. I think you may need to read more bible today.
I dont disagree with what you are saying, but I think the virus is real. You dont think there is a virus? As much as we can say, scaremongering the fact remains there are people that had no underlying conditions that have died from this virus, and it does something different to your lungs than flu does.
 

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Very Interesting :

According to Professor Luc Montagnier, winner of the Nobel Prize for Medicine in 2008 for “discovering” HIV as the cause of the AIDS epidemic together with Françoise Barré-Sinoussi, the SARS-CoV-2 is a virus that was manipulated and accidentally released from a laboratory in Wuhan, China, in the last quarter of 2019. According to Professor Montagnier, this laboratory, known for its work on coronaviruses, tried to use one of these viruses as a vector for HIV in the search for an AIDS vaccine!


I'm not an expert but it sounds plausible.
 

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All good lies sound plausible, it's pretty fundamental really.
You mean all that is over exaggerated? I can agree in the sense that the Hong Kong flu killed one million around the world in 1969 yet nobody said it was cataclysmic.
I think we live in a era where people have a false sense of security thus when something bad happens they overreact.
Once again it shows the control tptb already have on human psyche.
That being said things won't be normal anymore and the MSM storytelling already caught up the fragile minds who would beg for vaccines.
 

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I dont disagree with what you are saying, but I think the virus is real. You dont think there is a virus? As much as we can say, scaremongering the fact remains there are people that had no underlying conditions that have died from this virus, and it does something different to your lungs than flu does.
I think he’s stating that there’s a possibility of people diying because of other diseases.

Here in. Germany, they are only counted as „Corona deaths“ when they were tested positive for the disease, irrespective of other conditions
 

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your own source that you posted states that Iran will be launching 5G NEXT YEAR, and that is from 2020, so that means 2021.

Iran HAS NOT LAUNCHED 5G yet, yet you keep trying to push the disinformation that they have.

Iran's deaths are not linked to 5G because they haven't launched 5G yet, so you sir are pushing disinformation.
You keep repeating the total nonsense that pointing out the POSSIBLE link between 5G and this fabricated pandemic is allegedly disinformation, which is itself disinformation. You simply do not have enough information to make the claim that "it's not 5G".

From one of the previously linked articles: https://www.msn.com/en-xl/middleeast/top-stories/iran-finishes-preparations-to-launch-5g-internet-minister/ar-BBZYXjB

Iran FINISHES preparations to launch 5G internet: Minister 13/02/2020

Mohammad Javad Azari Jahromi said on Thursday that Iran had carried out ALL preparations needed for launching the 5G network.

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So why would they wait for an entire year to launch the network that is ready to go right now, in early 2020, at the exact time of their outbreak? Yes, it does say later in the article that they don't plan to implement their first version of the 5G network until next year, but what exactly does that mean? Is that a reference to the planned global rollout of 5G in 2021? From other articles it's apparent they have been testing 5G since 2017, and do have it switched on in certain areas, with MCI (a service provider) referring to their service as “4.5G service”.

The logical answer to why Iran would hide the fact they have already have their 5G network up and running: to avoid further U.S. sanctions against them (Iran) and against the 5G companies (e.g. China's Huawei) who are helping them. Isn't that very likely the reason the U.S. had Canada do their dirty work, arresting Meng Wanzhou, Huawei’s CFO and the daughter of its founder, on trumped up charges (pun intended) in December of 2018?

The logical reason why Iran would be doing everything they could to get their 5G network up and running asap? For defensive military purposes, to counter the planned and imminent U.S. attack of Iran.
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From: https://www.lifewire.com/5g-availability-world-4156244

IRAN

There are a few mobile network operators in Iran, the largest of which is Mobile Telecommunication Company of Iran (MCI). MCI currently offers "4.5G" internet, which shows that they're on a path to providing 5G in Iran. They also signed an agreement with Nokia in 2017 to develop 5G technology in Iran.

Iran's second-largest provider, Irancell, provides both mobile and fixed wireless internet services. In late 2017, in collaboration with Ericsson, the two performed their first 5G test in Tehran and said that 5G will be available in Iran in 2020.

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From another of the previously linked articles (https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/coronavirus.7000/post-292221): http://techrasa.com/2017/09/24/irancell-tests-its-5g-network-with-the-help-of-ericsson-2/

Irancell signed a contract with Ericsson to develop 5G

In May 2017, Irancell signed a contract with Ericsson to get help for developing its 5G network. This time Irancell plans to launch the 5G network simultaneously with the rest of the world. “We are aiming to keep the pace with the international operators. Iran will not be left behind again,” said Irancell’s CEO, Alireza Dezfouli during the event at Irancell HQ in Tehran. Director of Ericsson for Iran and Turkey, Ralf Pichler, was also present at the event. He mentioned that 5G technology will be available by 2020 and it would become globally accessible a year later, according to Financial Tribune.

This is actually not the first time that Irancell tested out a 5G network. Last year, for the very first time, Irancell tested its 5G network which peaked at 1.2 Gbps and this year it peaked at 23.9 Gbps which is impressive.

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From the very well-documented: Guest, China, 5G, And The Wuhan Coronavirus: The Emperor’s New Virus @
https://jamesfetzer.org/2020/03/guest-china-5g-and-the-wuhan-coronavirus-the-emperors-new-virus/

The exception is Iran, which at present has 978 cases, and 54 deaths, is officially not implementing it, but very well may secretly be trialing it given the reason why on December 1, 2018, at the request of the US government, Meng Wanzhou — Huawei’s CFO and daughter of its founder — was arrested in Canada on allegations she participated in a conspiracy to defraud banks in connection with Iran sanctions violations, 19 was indeed because Huawei was working to sell their 5G technology to the Iranians. In fact, Iran — in a joint operation between Irancell and Ericsson — had started trialing the technology back in September of 2017. 20 In the article, titled “Irancell, Ericsson Test 5G Systems,” (2017) it is stated that the technology will be available by 2020 and become globally accessible a year later.

During the event at Irancell headquarters, the company’s CEO Alireza Dezfouli said “We are aiming to keep pace with the international operators. Iran will not be left behind again.

Furthermore, a number of articles in the media, have stated that Iran has carried out “preparations” and is ready to launch 5G. 21 22 23 Well, preparations usually include trialing. Hence, it is easy to believe that Iran already has the 5G infrastructure set up and they have been secretly trialing it.

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Where on earth did you source that they have been TESTING 5G since 2017, because again that is not in the source you provided.
Actually it was, you just missed it. Please see the link below, as well as the excerpt above.

From another of the previously linked articles (https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/coronavirus.7000/post-292221): http://techrasa.com/2017/09/24/irancell-tests-its-5g-network-with-the-help-of-ericsson-2/

and if your 5G theory is so tight, you still cannot explain South Korea, no matter how hard you try, because your theory is BS
A plausible reason was provided for S. Korea, which you summarily dismissed so you can continue to peddle your own cointelpro b.s.

and you are the one pushing strawmans, because all I have claimed is that 5G is not the main source of Covid, and the evidence backs me up while you keep lying and twisting facts and figures to make your case work.
You've just committed yet another logical fallacy (tu quoque), and are being dishonest with yourself and others as well.

This is what you actually said:

"Its not 5G

that is some of the biggest disinformation that is being pushed right now"


Followed by this:

I agree that 5G is not good for you but it cannot be claimed as the main cause of this at all.


When, as anyone can see for themselves, no personal claim was ever made that 5G is "the main cause of this". That was you making that strawman argument up, so you could then beat it down. So no, there have been no lies personally told at any point in this discussion, which was to point out to you that the assumptions YOU are making and the conclusions YOU are drawing are simply not supported by any verifiable evidence.

5G is bad for you, but guess what so is sugar, and neither sugar or 5G is causing Covid-19, whatever the hell it is.
Thank-you for admitting the truth you have no idea what COVID-19 really is (or what causes it), and that 5g is bad. Hopefully we can agree that we should avoid doing stupid and thoughtless things like blanketing the entire world in 5G microwave radiation without conducting further testing on its deleterious effects on ALL living things.

But you know what , I get it. It feels good and cool to think you are ahead of the curve and know what the hell is going on, and what is the latest conspiracy theory. I fell for the 5G thing too, a couple of weeks back, but looking into it, its bullshit, and when you have the same crowd in the "alt media" who have been calling "hoax" for everything over the last few years doing the same in this case and pushing 5G, well I'm pretty convinced this is all BS. And it just doesn't add up when you look at places like S.Korea, Iran, Canada, it doesn't add up, it sounds cool, but thats about it.
Thank-you for your opinion, but my objective here is completely different than yours. The sole/soul reason for anything that's personally posted is to help others cut through the nonsense, because there's much more on the line here than someone's baseless personal opinion.

It is possible to share with absolute certainty that drugs, vaccinations, chemotherapy and radiation are, in fact, TOXIC to the human body. We have been warned for thousands of years by our Creator against (witch) doctors and their potions/pharmacy (e.g. 2 Chron. 16:12, Gal. 5:19-21, so anyone at this late hour who thinks that an entire system built specifically to sell snake oil/potions/pharmacy to their unwitting(?) customers/victims is totally insane.

We are being poisoned with chemicals of every kind, in every conceivable way, on the orders of the most insane people in this lunatic asylum, who are temporarily running it because we buy into their nonsense. It is these poisons that are making people ill, and are killing thousands - soon to be billions (Rev. 6:8) - NOT some phantom virus which cannot be transferred from human to human or from animal to human under any circumstances other than via direct injection/vaccination.



These are the facts of this matter, regardless of whether they are accepted or not. And sharing this is in no way meant to insult or degrade the health care professionals who are working through this fabricated pandemic right now, because most of them are striving to help others, but simply haven't come to the realization they've been misled by the $1,400,000,000,000 a year pharmaceutical industry that has pushed the allopathic approach to medicine for the past two centuries.

Based on these facts, it is logical to consider two things:

1) qui bono (who benefits) - this entire pandemic is not what it appears to be, because even if we believe the made up numbers provided to us by the government mouthpiece mainstream media that we know lies on a regular basis, it doesn't qualify as a pandemic, nor does it merit this complete overkill response; and

2) what toxin is actually causing the illnesses and deaths that are being reported.

Applying all of the available known factual information, it is logical to start looking at both the motive of this situation, and its true cause or causes. The motives should be self-evident. The causes would necessarily include a list of all known toxins, particularly anything that was recently introduced.

A short list (not meant to be comprehensive):-

1) people have been injected with a chemical or biological poison, administered during this cold and flu season, i.e. the flu shot;
2) people have been exposed to some form of radiation, which can likewise manifest itself with flu like systems, i.e. 5G;
3) people have been poisoned in some other way that has yet to be discovered; and/or
4) people have finally reached a level of toxicity from all of the current forms of poisoning that their bodies can no longer take it, prompting their immune systems to eject the toxins in the natural manner (through coughing, fever and a running nose, etc.)

A short list of existing known poisons:-

1) GM anything;
2) any chemicals of any kind, regardless of how they're labeled, including:

a) fertilizers, pesticides, insecticides, fungicides, herbicides, defoliating agents, alar/daminozide, etc.;
b) fluoride, lithium and the rest of the chemicals added to and poisoning the public water systems;
c) all of the pharmaceutical chemicals run through human bodies which are subsequently flushed down the toilets poisoning the fish and sea creatures;
d) aluminum, barium, strontium, etc. which is being sprayed in the air to rain down on us and every other living organism;
e) growth harmones and vaccinations given to livestock, along with GM crops
f) food additives, including neurotoxins (like MSG and aspertame) and fake sugars like HFCS, sucralose, etc.;
g) countless other toxins too numerous to list here, including household cleaning products, soaps, shampoos, "skin care" products, make-up, hair gels, acetone, mineral spirits, MEK, toluene, etc.

Hopefully you can see why eliminating 5G from the list of possible causes is not only without merit, but is actually helping the establishment downplay its known detrimental effects on the health of both plant life and animals (including humans), as well as helping to hide its continued roll out and the military purposes of 5G, including its use for crowd control.

https://www.naturalblaze.com/2018/10/5g-network-uses-same-emf-waves-as-pentagon-crowd-control-system.html

 
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Hancock unable to give MPs firm assurance some hospitals won’t run out of gowns this weekend
Hunt turns to PPE (personal protective equipment).
Q: Are you confident that our hospitals will have enough gowns to get them through the weekend? [The question was prompted by stories like this one.]
Hancock says the challenge is considerable.
They have gone from needing relative small numbers to huge numbers.
As of this weekend, they will have shipped 1bn items of PPE across the UK.
This is a massive undertaking. It is understandable that, with such a massive undertaking, there are challenges.
We are tight on gowns. That is the pressure point at the moment.
We have another 55,000 gowns arriving today and we’re working on the acquisition internationally of more gowns, but it is a challenge.
And this follows changing the guidance 10 days ago which increased the advice on the use of gowns but also said that they should be used for sessional use rather than for individual patient use.
And it is a big challenge delivering against that new guidance and we’re doing everything we possibly can.
He says officials are working through the day and night on this.
Q: Will you be able to get gowns to everywhere that needs them this weekend?
Hancock says that is exactly what they are aiming to do.
  • Hancock unable to give MPs firm assurance that some hospitals won’t run out of gowns this weekend.
 
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