On the Trinity:

[Artful Revealer]

Why are you quoting the Quran instead of answering the question?

 

[A Freeman]

Words of Wisdom


“In every person there is a spirit-Being (soul).

In every spirit-Being there is Intelligence.

In every Intelligence there is Thought.

In every Thought there is either Good or Evil*.

In every Evil there is Death.

In every Good there is Life.

In every Life there is God.”



“Grant O God Thy Protection.

And in Protection, Strength.

And in Strength, Understanding.

And in Understanding, [True] Knowledge.

And in [True] Knowledge, the knowledge of [Thy] Justice.

And in the knowledge of Justice, the Love of it.

And in that Love, the love of all Existences.

And in the love of all Existences, the Love of God.

God, and all Goodness.”



* Good (God) or Evil (d/evil) - Truth or untruth (lies).



John 17:3 And THIS is Life Eternal, that they might KNOW Thee the ONLY True God, AND Christ the Saviour, whom Thou hast sent.

Psalm 111:7-10
111:7 The works of His hands [are] Truth and Judgment; all His Commandments [are] sure.
111:8 They are established for ever and ever, [and are] done in truth and uprightness.
111:9 He sent redemption unto His people: He hath commanded His Covenant FOR EVER: holy and reverend [is] His name.
111:10 The fear of the "I AM" [is] the beginning of Wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do [His Commandments]: His praise endureth for ever.

Wisdom 21:9-11
21:9. The congregation of the wicked is like tow wrapped together: and the end of them is a flame of fire to destroy them.
21:10. The way of sinners is made plain with stones, but at the end thereof is the pit of hell.
21:11. He that keepeth The Law of the Lord getteth the Understanding thereof: and the perfection of the fear of the Lord is Wisdom.

James 4:8 Draw nigh to God, and He will draw nigh to you. Cleanse [your] hands, [ye] sinners; and purify [your] hearts, [ye] double-minded.

1 John 2:1-7
2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2:2 And he is the atonement for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for [the sins of] the whole world.
2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, IF we keep His Commandments.
2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth NOT His Commandments, is a LIAR, and the truth is NOT in him.
2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
2:7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old Commandment which ye had from the Beginning. The old Commandment is The Word which ye have heard from the Beginning.

 

[Artful Revealer]

Why aren't you answering the question?

 

[A Freeman]

Why aren't you answering the question?

Why are you pretending you haven't been answered?

 

[Artful Revealer]

Why are you pretending you haven't been answered?

You’ve got to be kidding ...

I assume your answer then is yes?

 

[TokiEl]

(Jesus did not ascend up unto himself. Jesus also did not spend his time on earth talking to himself, neither did Jesus put up a deceptive act of pretending to be his own son.)

God is not one person.

God is two persons.

 

[TokiEl]

Father (Who IS God) is the Self-Existing ONE (Deut. 6:4, Zech. 14:9).

That's why His Name is the "I AM" (Exod. 3:14)

Note well: it isn't the "We Are".

Look God is two persons.

 

[A Freeman]

Look God is two persons.

Who told you that? And who told Eve that she if she ate of the tree of the knowledge of good AND evil that she would be as gods?

SAME ANSWER.

 

[TokiEl]

Who told you that? And who told Eve that she if she ate of the tree of the knowledge of good AND evil that she would be as gods?

SAME ANSWER.

Exodus 6 2 And God spoke to Moses and said to him: “I am YHWH. 3 I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, as God Almighty, but by My name YHWH I was not known to them.



YHWH as it was written by Moses.

Two persons.


God's Name consists of... an arm and a person and a nail and a person.




That's an objective fact... and not a subjective ass sumption which you are so fond of.

 

[bible_student]

God is not one person.

God is two persons.

That statement is in direct opposition to God's Scriptures.

Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The "I AM" our God [is] one "I AM":

Zechariah 14:9 And the "I AM" shall be King over all the earth: in that Day shall there be one "I AM", and His name One [not a trinity].

Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The First of all the Commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

Sura 4:48. God forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with God is to devise a sin most heinous indeed.


God speaketh the Truth: follow the religion of Abraham, the SANE in Faith; he was not of the Pagans.

 

[TokiEl]

That statement is in direct opposition to God's Scriptures.

Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The "I AM" our God [is] one "I AM":

Zechariah 14:9 And the "I AM" shall be King over all the earth: in that Day shall there be one "I AM", and His name One [not a trinity].

God speaketh the Truth: follow the religion of Abraham, the SANE in Faith; he was not of the Pagans.

God's own personal Name was originally written as... an arm and a person and a nail and a person.

 

[A Freeman]

This would be humorous if it wasn't so tragically (and fatally) stupid.

Only Satan, who authored his own, satanic divide and conquer strategy, could con people into believing that God is divided into more than ONE Part, Spirit or Being.

Anyone who disagrees, please provide ANY Bible verse that directly states ANY of the following terms: "trinity", "triune god", "dual god", "2-in-1", "3-in-1", "1-in-2", "1-in-3", "God the Son" or "God the Holy Spirit" or the "Father and Son God", etc.

People that use terminology like "plural unity" or "plural singularity" must not understand that they are both oxymoron-ic (and that holding such obviously conflicting ideas in one's mind at the same time is what's referred to as "cognitive dissonance").

God is THE Self-Existing ONE, just as Scripture says (Deut.6:4, Zech. 14:9, Mark 12:29).

The best and ONLY Way to be AT ONE with God, as Christ is at One with His God (Matt. 27:46, John 20:17, Rev. 3:12), is to KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS. There is no other way for any of us to atone for our sins other than to STOP sinning/breaking The Law (1 John 3:4).

Is someone next going to try to claim that God is supposedly divided into 4 different parts because His Name is represented by 4 letters in Hebrew (the "tetragrammation")?

 

[bible_student]

God's own personal Name was originally written as... an arm and a person and a nail and a person.

Look, if your choice is to persist in trying to oppose God's Own Scriptures and His Warnings against doing what you are doing, then woe unto you!

Ezekiel 13:3 Thus saith the Lord "I AM"; Woe unto the foolish prophets, that follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing!

 

[TokiEl]

Look, if your choice is to persist in trying to oppose God's Own Scriptures and His Warnings against doing what you are doing, then woe unto you!

You are a devil.

 

[bible_student]

Matthew
10:25 It is enough for the disciple that he be AS his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more [shall they call] them of his household?
10:26 Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.

 

[TokiEl]

Matthew
10:25 It is enough for the disciple that he be AS his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more [shall they call] them of his household?
10:26 Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.

You mix the Devil's dictations with God's revelations and concoct poison.

 

[A Freeman]

You mix the Devil's dictations with God's revelations and concoct poison.

You must be talking about organized religion, all of which Satan created to divide and conquer people, by attempting to divide the Word of God, and ultimately even trying to divide God against Himself.

Matthew 12:25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:

God is NOT divided into two or three (or more) parts.

God's Word is NOT divided into two or three (or more) parts.

God's Word will stand FOREVER. ALL of it.

 

[TokiEl]

You must be talking about organized religion, all of which Satan created to divide and conquer people, by attempting to divide the Word of God, and ultimately even trying to divide God against Himself.

You mix the Quran with the Bible and produce poison.

 

[bible_student]

You mix the Devil's dictations with God's revelations and concoct poison.

You have been shown, repeatedly, that:

Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The "I AM" our God [is] one "I AM":

Zechariah 14:9 And the "I AM" shall be King over all the earth: in that Day shall there be one "I AM", and His name One [not a trinity].

Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The First of all the Commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

Sura 4:48. God forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with God is to devise a sin most heinous indeed.

All say the same. You can't "mix" something, with itself. It should be self-evident to any person (of SOUND mind) who is able to read, that the verses quoted all say THE SAME thing, therefore what you claimed is a lie.

You just told three consecutive lies (lies are of the Devil - the father/inventor of lies) in one very short sentence:

You mix (LIE nr.1) the Devil's dictations (LIE nr.2, as well as committing blasphemy) with God's revelations and concoct poison (LIE nr.3, as well as calling good evil).

Isaiah
5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for Light, and Light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
5:21 Woe unto [them that are] wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!

Lies are of the Devil (Satan):

John
8:33 Jesus said unto them, IF God WERE your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but He sent me.
8:34 Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my Word.
8:35 Ye are of [YOUR] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the Truth, because there is no Truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father (inventor) of it.
8:36 And because I tell [you] the Truth, ye believe me not.

 

[A Freeman]

You mix the Quran with the Bible and produce poison.

You keep making that false claim, but you repeating that LIE doesn't make it true, does it?

Have you ever read the Koran? If not, you're arguing from a point of ignorance, are you not?

The word “Israelite” means “champion of God” - “THOSE WHO DO GOD’S WILL”. It does NOT refer to the Israeli nation of today, nor to the Jews, nor to Talmudic Judaism; it refers to “THOSE WHO DO GOD’S WILL”, i.e. the “children of God.” Anyone who DOES God’s Will, (champions His Cause) not his own, is a “child of God” by adoption, or, “Israelite” (in Hebrew).

The word "Christian" in Greek means exactly the same thing: “THOSE WHO DO GOD’S WILL”. It does NOT refer to the organized religion known as "Christianity", which does the opposite of what Christ teaches, it refers to those who “THOSE WHO DO GOD’S WILL” as Christ taught all of His TRUE Followers.

The word "Islam" in Arabic likewise means exactly the same thing: “THOSE WHO DO GOD’S WILL”. It does NOT refer to the organized religion known as "Islam", which follows its own version of the Talmud, known as the Hadith; it refers to those who “THOSE WHO DO GOD’S WILL”.

Therefore, they ALL mean EXACTLY the same, and do NOT refer to ANY organized-religion. They refer to the “children of God”, i.e. those who keep the COMMANDMENTS and also DO God’s Will. Anyone who DOES God’s Will, (champions His Cause) not his own, is a “child of God” by adoption, or, “Israelite” (in Hebrew).

Lots of people claim that we’re supposedly all “children of God”, but we're NOT all “children of God”. ONLY those who keep the COMMANDMENTS, and also DO God’s Will, are “children of God”, and the rest are NOT, no-matter what they may call themselves. We are the children of whom we serve and obey. Those who DO God’s Will are His children, and those who continue to do Satan’s will remain his children.

Lots of people claim that they are Israelites, Christians and Moslems (Islamic), but are NOT, because, even if they were keeping the COMMANDMENTS, they are NOT DOING God’s Will. They're just paying lip-service, to their own particular religion.

If someone REALLY is a “child of God”, keeping His COMMANDMENTS, COVENANT and DOING His Will, they would be reading the Torah, New Testament and Koran and would be one single brotherhood, and one single world-wide nation, with NO divisions, either religious, national, political, language or color. Your neighbor, whom you MUST love as your self, is not just the man next door, but also the man on the far side of the planet, and EVERYONE in between.

All of the religions belong to Satan.

All religions MUST be destroyed.

There will NEVER be peace on Earth, until ALL of the organized-religions have gone, and people keep the COMMANDMENTS, The COVENANT, and DO God’s Will, and return to DIRECT spirit-converse with their God.

Stop looking for reasons to hate others and start DOING God's Will, which begins with KEEPING HIS COMMANDMENTS.

Mark 12:29
12:29 And Jesus answered him, The First of all the Commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is ONE Lord:
12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength and serve Him ONLY: this [is] the first COMMANDment.
12:31 And the second [is] like, [namely] this, Thou SHALT love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other COMMANDment greater than these.