Trump is going to get Ilhan Omar murdered.

[Colonel Valerio]

The same latinos that Trump don't want in your country because of criminality?




All forms of extremism is dangerous but when you call for violence, like you do and conflate patriot rallies with nazi/fascist rallies you spread the idea that a good citizen must refuse to be patriotic.

How does that work in the long run? We entertain hatred then advocate terrorism until we become as ugly as the people we pretend to fight ?

Sorry no, I believe America is better than that.

“Patriot” groups are fascist and always have been. I remember the terror the militias unleashed in the 90s.

Attacking concentration camps is not terrorism, beating up Nazis when they try to intimidate your cities is justified violence.

Again there is no comparison on the scale of left vs right violence over the last 30 years.

 

[Lisa]

It was used to transport people to concentration camps just like ICE is doing.

Those people weren’t trying to get into Germany and in fact didn’t want to go..so how is that the same as people coming here trying to get in? Plus after the Jews got to Germany they were starved and killed and their kids were experimented on..not the same thing at all.

 

[justjess]

The same latinos that Trump don't want in your country because of criminality?




All forms of extremism is dangerous but when you call for violence, like you do and conflate patriot rallies with nazi/fascist rallies you spread the idea that a good citizen must refuse to be patriotic.

How does that work in the long run? We entertain hatred then advocate terrorism until we become as ugly as the people we pretend to fight ?

Sorry no, I believe America is better than that.

Claims to not want in this country. Keyword being claims... if he truly didn’t want them in this country he wouldn’t hire so many in his own personal businesses - both legal and illegal.

You are now watching the biggest most blatant game of political theater in history. Try to remember that.

 

[polymoog]

When you were younger could you run your mouth like a giant asshole without consequences?

when you were younger, did you hear of "sticks and stones"?

 

[polymoog]

Don’t show up to Nazi rallies and you won’t have a problem with with Antifa. You have s choice, stay home, don’t be a fascist and you won’t have a problem.

the right is supposed to give up their right to freedom of assembly out of fear that antifa might attack them for expressing their views? youre a libertarian only when it suits your political agenda.

 

[justjess]

when you were younger, did you hear of "sticks and stones"?

Aren’t you someone who complains about feminism? About the emasculation of men and society?

I have a front row seat to this due to working with “bad” kids. It isn’t feminism’s fault entirely. You can blame a bunch of it on wimpy men who think they are entitled to run their traps without consequence.

 

[Colonel Valerio]

the right is supposed to give up their right to freedom of assembly out of fear that antifa might attack them for expressing their views? youre a libertarian only when it suits your political agenda.

At least you admit the right are Nazis. Big difference between say, a bunch of nerds going to a tax protest or a deficit rally than literal fascist groups like PB/PP or whomever.

Being a fascist is inherently an act of violence justifying self-defense.

 

[polymoog]

Aren’t you someone who complains about feminism? About the emasculation of men and society?

I have a front row seat to this due to working with “bad” kids. It isn’t feminism’s fault entirely. You can blame a bunch of it on wimpy men who think they are entitled to run their traps without consequence.

i never had a problem with feminism when it was about equality for men and women under the law. in fact, i supported it. 3rd wave feminism isnt feminism at all.
and yes, everyone is entitled to run their traps without fear of assault. dont like what you hear? dont listen to it (or combat it with more free speech). if people cannot restrain themselves over what they feel is offensive, then they need to learn some self control or pay the legal consequences.
self control is rare commodity these days.

 

[polymoog]

At least you admit the right are Nazis. Big difference between say, a bunch of nerds going to a tax protest or a deficit rally than literal fascist groups like PB/PP or whomever.

Being a fascist is inherently an act of violence justifying self-defense.

i never said the right were nazis, however, i will agree that the far left considers the right and conservatives nazis. i think anyone who disagrees with the far left is a nazi (or a racist); isnt that true? the left has worn out both of those terms to the point where they are meaningless.

you should be supporting the right ANY assembly of the people. the message is unimportant.

 

[justjess]

i never had a problem with feminism when it was about equality for men and women under the law. in fact, i supported it. 3rd wave feminism isnt feminism at all.
and yes, everyone is entitled to run their traps without fear of assault. dont like what you hear? dont listen to it (or combat it with more free speech). if people cannot restrain themselves over what they feel is offensive, then they need to learn some self control or pay the legal consequences.
self control is rare commodity these days.

I think you are missing the big picture here...

Cuz while I will agree with you on principle, in practice I’ve seen nothing good come from this shift.

As the threat of getting punched in the face for being a dick has decreased the amount of mass scale violence we are seeing has increased. It’s like a pot boiling over from two sides... more bullying, more trolling, more verbal abuse and harassment + less avenues to deal with it immediately = more people entirely snapping out, mass shootings, riots, opioid epidemics, etc.

All in the name of some wimpy guys right to be a dick and then call cops.

 

[polymoog]

As the threat of getting punched in the face for being a dick has decreased the amount of mass scale violence we are seeing has increased. It’s like a pot boiling over from two sides... more bullying, more trolling, more verbal abuse and harassment + less avenues to deal with it immediately = more people entirely snapping out, mass shootings, riots, opioid epidemics, etc.

All in the name of some wimpy guys right to be a dick and then call cops.

not to take this thread off course, but perhaps food additives, prescription drugs, and other factors might play a role in the lack of restraint today.
ultimately, jess, attacking another person means that their words were meaningful and important enough to use physical force. if more people placed a higher value on their own opinion, we wouldnt have this problem.

 

[justjess]

not to take this thread off course, but perhaps food additives, prescription drugs, and other factors might play a role in the lack of restraint today.
ultimately, jess, attacking another person means that their words were meaningful and important enough to use physical force. if more people placed a higher value on their own opinion, we wouldnt have this problem.

Have you been around any kids lately? Adolescents? I’m group settings?

Do you know what a consequence needs to be in order to be an effective deterrent?

 

[Colonel Valerio]

i never said the right were nazis, however, i will agree that the far left considers the right and conservatives nazis. i think anyone who disagrees with the far left is a nazi (or a racist); isnt that true? the left has worn out both of those terms to the point where they are meaningless.

you should be supporting the right ANY assembly of the people. the message is unimportant.

You don’t sit around and let fascists organize and gain power or spread their message. Not doing anything is suicide.

 

[Thunderian]

When you were younger could you run your mouth like a giant asshole without consequences?

Your presumption that NGO was asking for it isn’t based on anything you’ve provided proof of. Care to share what exactly it was that he did that warranted a beat down?

 

[justjess]

Your presumption that NGO was asking for it isn’t based on anything you’ve provided proof of. Care to share what exactly it was that he did that warranted a beat down?

I didn’t presume. I said IF. My statement was GENERAL, I made no direct comment on the matter.

 

[Colonel Valerio]

Your presumption that NGO was asking for it isn’t based on anything you’ve provided proof of. Care to share what exactly it was that he did that warranted a beat down?

I don’t care if you accept it, you won’t, but we know what Ngo is. This isn’t a game Thunderian.

https://rosecityantifa.org/articles/june-29-statement/

 

[justjess]

Abolish prison...I don't think I'd go that far, but reform is certainly needed
Give everyone a gun...Yes, an armed society is a polite society
Legalize drugs...Fuck yeah
End welfare...Again, reform
Close the borders...Start with mitigating the influx
Venerate the housewife...You have a problem with that?
Glorify the entrepreneur...Not seeing a problem there
Shut down the government...I'm down with that

You liked that post @polymoog - a post expressing the same sentiment (though more extreme) as what I am saying here. An armed society is a polite society is acceptable but believing it’s okay to punch someone in their face for running their mouth isn’t?

 

[Thunderian]

The message we're getting from Jess and the Colonel (sounds like a 70's sitcom) is that violence is OK, as long as it's directed against someone who deserves it. The criteria for deserving it includes being a conservative, or saying mean words.

 

[justjess]

The message we're getting from Jess and the Colonel (sounds like a 70's sitcom) is that violence is OK, as long as it's directed against someone who deserves it. The criteria for deserving it includes being a conservative, or saying mean words.

That’s one hell of a stretch... I never said a single thing about violence against conservatives. Never. All I did say was people seemed to be a lot nicer when they knew acting like a jerk might get them punched.

 

[Lurker]

You liked that post @polymoog - a post expressing the same sentiment (though more extreme) as what I am saying here. An armed society is a polite society is acceptable but believing it’s okay to punch someone in their face for running their mouth isn’t?

I think you misconstrue it. An armed society will necessitate manners. It doesn't justify shooting or punching someone.