Trump is going to get Ilhan Omar murdered.

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Right wing violence is not connected to Trump in any way, and is not ever celebrated or encouraged by conservatives like me.

However, you can draw a direct line between the Antifa terrorist who attacked an ICE center last week, and the "concentration camp" rhetoric, and you and Jess are on record as supporting violence against conservatives. How can you say conservatives are a danger, when it's leftists beating people up and attacking government facilities with guns and bombs? Be serious.
50 people last year dude. 50. It’s not comparable to a few Nazis getting maced or a few owies.

Conservatives call for violence all the time by how they demonize undesirables. It’s called stochastic terrorism.

They are concentration camps and attacking their vehicles and buildings is just.
 

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Would it have been moral to attack Nazi concentration camps? I don’t call for anything but you can respond to violence with violence if necessary.
But you can't decide for yourself that who ever you consider as a threat are nazis nor put a guilt on conservatives or right wing as a whole like you do.

Yes 'attack' means violent action.
 

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Here. Andy Ngo is a conservative journalist. Apparently that's enough reason for him to get his ass kicked.
If Andy ngo was instigating and running his mouth then yeah in my world he’d deserve to get punched in the face. That kinda behavior is violence itself.

And this switch in society where everyone feels so entitled to run around saying and doing whatever they please to other people with no consequences is problematic and creating a Really shitty world and really shitty people. I’m not talking about legal consequences or limiting free speech - I am talking about natural consequences like getting punched in the face curbing people’s tendencies to be inflammatory assholes with no regard for others feelings or even common courtesy or basic consideration.

I however never advocated violence, not have I ever spoke specifically about violence against conservatives. My societal level musings are simply that.
 
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But you can't decide for yourself that who ever you consider as a threat are nazis nor put a guilt on conservatives or right wing as a whole like you do.

Yes 'attack' means violent action.

Don’t show up to Nazi rallies and you won’t have a problem with with Antifa. You have s choice, stay home, don’t be a fascist and you won’t have a problem.

“We” don’t get that choice, if fascists win, we die, as simple as that.
 

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If Andy ngo was instigating and running his mouth then yeah in my world he’d deserve to get punched in the face. That kinda behavior is violence itself.

And this switch in society where everyone feels so entitled to run around saying and doing whatever they please to other people with no consequences is problematic and creating a Really shitty world and really shitty people. I’m not talking about legal consequences or limiting free speech - I am talking about natural consequences like getting punched in the face curbing people’s tendencies to be inflammatory assholes with no regard for others feelings or even common courtesy or basic consideration.

I however never advocated violence, not have I ever spoke specifically about violence against conservatives. My societal level musings are simply that.
I have to admit that i'm shocked by the lack of integrity and empathy of some people who happens to be Trump supporters.

I think some of them believe that Trump somehow killed PC culture so it give them the right to say awful stuff.

I'm against that.
 

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Don’t show up to Nazi rallies and you won’t have a problem with with Antifa.
What 'Nazi' rally?
Nazism stands for national socialism I don't think many of you Americans believe in socialism.
Except if you decide that all patriots are nazi, I don't see how anyone could be in 'nazi rallies'
 
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What 'Nazi' rally?
Nazism stands for national socialism I don't think many of you Americans believe in socialism.
Except if you decide that all patriots are nazi, I don't see how anyone could be in 'nazi rallies'
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/12/23/nyregion/gavin-mcinnes-proud-boys-nypd.amp.html


“Irvin Antillon, 49, who is accused of kicking protesters on the ground, is a member of a Latino skinhead group, Batallón 49, who traveled to Charlottesville last year for the “Unite the Right” rally, where an anti-racist protester was killed, experts said.

In one online photograph, he poses shirtless, showing off tattoos of Nazi symbols.”

The ones who show up at Proud Boy/Patriot rallies that happen all the time. Maybe Nazi-adjacent or post/neo-fascist is a better term.

Oregon state lawmakers literally abandoned their jobs and sought protection with armed militias ( militias which operate in every state ) and threatened to kill anyone who came to get them to make them vote.

The far right is armed and dangerous, kills dozens of people a year and the more organized than Al-Qaeda, but of course the problem is a few bruises for them.
 

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Irvin Antillon, 49, who is accused of kicking protesters on the ground, is a member of a Latino skinhead group
The same latinos that Trump don't want in your country because of criminality?


The far right is armed and dangerous, kills dozens of people a year and the more organized than Al-Qaeda
All forms of extremism is dangerous but when you call for violence, like you do and conflate patriot rallies with nazi/fascist rallies you spread the idea that a good citizen must refuse to be patriotic.

How does that work in the long run? We entertain hatred then advocate terrorism until we become as ugly as the people we pretend to fight ?

Sorry no, I believe America is better than that.
 

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The reason Antifa beat up Andy Ngo is because he does things like this. Jess and the Colonel may call it instigation, but it's what used to be called journalism.


D.C. “Antifa Leader” Is Third Man Charged in Marine Attack in Philadelphia
It has been more than two months since two United States Marines said they were assaulted in Philadelphia by a “mob” just blocks from the controversial We the People Rally, and now a third man has been charged in the attack.​
The Philadelphia District Attorney’s Office has charged 37-year-old Washington, D.C., resident Joseph Alcoff with aggravated assault, ethnic intimidation, and conspiracy — all felonies — among other charges. He has pleaded not guilty and is currently out on bail.​
Alcoff joins codefendants Tom Keenan and Thomas Massey in the case. Both Keenan and Massey were arrested at the end of November and are also out on bail awaiting trial.​
The incident occurred on the afternoon of November 17th.​
According to court documents, Marines Alejandro Godinez and Luis Torres, who were not in uniform, were approached by a group of 10 to 12 activists on the 100 block of South Front Street in the Old City section of Philadelphia.​
Investigators say that the activists, who have been linked to the antifa movement in blog posts, news accounts, and in courtroom testimony, had been counter-protesting at the We the People rally.​
At a preliminary hearing for Massey and Keenan in December, the two Marines testified that the activists attacked them, allegedly calling them “nazis” and “white supremacists,” using ethnic slurs against them (both Marines are Hispanic), punching and kicking them repeatedly, and macing them.​
On the stand in December, the Marines testified that they had no knowledge of the We the People rally and that they were in town for a Marine ball at a nearby hotel.​
According to an affidavit of probable cause filed in the Alcoff case, Torres was reading online stories about the attacks when he came upon an article on the Tucker Carlson-founded Daily Caller website that connected Keenan to Alcoff.​
That article called Alcoff “D.C.’s radical antifa leader … who’s advocated for violence and for the overthrow of the government.”​
Torres saw a photo of Alcoff in the Daily Caller story and contacted detectives in Philadelphia, claiming that he recognized Alcoff as another member of the group that attacked him.​
Investigators say that Torres then showed the detectives photos that he took of the suspects at the time of the attack, and police “strongly agree” that Alcoff was the person in Torres’ photos.​
According to an NJ.com article from 2011, Alcoff and Keenan were arrested in Bordentown that year and charged with rioting.​
Alcoff has had a long history of protest. The below video captures him in the mid-2000s saying “I’m a Communist, motherfucker” before spitting at the person recording him.​
Alcoff’s next appearance is scheduled for February 11th in Common Pleas Court.​
 

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Just wondering, @Colonel Valerio, since you seem to have your thumb on the pulse of political violence in America, how many associates of Republican members of congress have been charged with felony aggravated assault, ethnic intimidation, and conspiracy?
 
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Just wondering, @Colonel Valerio, since you seem to have your thumb on the pulse of political violence in America, how many associates of Republican members of congress have been charged with felony aggravated assault, ethnic intimidation, and conspiracy?
The US President met with a guy who wrote a lovely little genocide book that advocated dropping an A-bomb on Atlanta.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/4thgenwar.wordpress.com/2016/07/03/trump-meets-man-who-inspired-2011-terror-attack-deadlier-than-orlando-shooting/amp/

Again you compare an assault to the dozens of murders right wingers commit every year.
 
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