Location of hell

Lisa

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Its the saints who will rule and reign and judge for a thousand years with Christ.
Who are these saints and Christ ruling over then?


In fact the Bible tells us the earth will be a "bottomless pit" which means the earth will be void and only Satan will be alive and be chained during the thousand years here on earth.
I think you’re wrong about the earth being the bottomless pit where hell is. And I think you’re wrong that He is going to do away with hell when He makes the new heaven and earth.
Revelation 20:10
And the devil who deceived them was throwing into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beat and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever.
Revelation 20 goes onto talk about the people that come up from their graves and talks about how they would be judged from the things that were written in the books. And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire..which in verse 10 we find out that it last day and night forever.
 

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I dreamt that I'm in hell once, wasn't even born again back then. Don't know if what I felt was truth, but it left lasting impression to say the least...
That would leave a lasting impression! Was it instrumental in you believing?
 

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Hell is a place where is no God.
i know someone who often says that hell IS earth because so much suffering exists here, and that god could not have made such a place to allow so much pain-- the basic concept of some lifeforms needing to consume others in order to survive is a good example.

i had some explanations, but how would you reply to this?
 

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God is not there, but it is also a place of torment where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Which is it?

Half the Christians here say hell is a second death, the others say it is eternal torment. Which is right?
 

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God is not there, but it is also a place of torment where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth
...so it's a bit like visiting the dentist then?

Your religious beliefs are absolutely hysterical....thanks for brightening up my breakfast.

And if you are curious about finding the location of hell......it's inbetween your ears.

....don't thank me.
 

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Who are these saints and Christ ruling over then?



I think you’re wrong about the earth being the bottomless pit where hell is. And I think you’re wrong that He is going to do away with hell when He makes the new heaven and earth.
Revelation 20:10

And the devil who deceived them was throwing into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beat and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever.

Revelation 20 goes onto talk about the people that come up from their graves and talks about how they would be judged from the things that were written in the books. And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire..which in verse 10 we find out that it last day and night forever.
Who are these saints and Christ ruling over then?
The Bible doesn't tell us who the righteous and Christ will rule over. It just tells us they will rule and judge with Christ.

I think you’re wrong about the earth being the bottomless pit where hell is. And I think you’re wrong that He is going to do away with hell when He makes the new heaven and earth.
I'm not wrong. The bottomless pit is the state of the earth for a thousand years while Satan is being held prisoner. That means no human being will be alive on this earth. You already know when Jesus returns the second time, He will only resurrect the righteous dead. The unrighteous dead don't resurrect. And the living unrighteous die at His appearing. There will not be a person alive on the earth during the thousand years. The righteous will all be in heaven. All the unrighteous will be laying dead upon the earth. This is not only written of in the book of Revelation.

Isaiah 11:4, "But with righteousness He shall judge the poor, And decide with equity for the meek of the earth; He shall strike the earth with the rod of His mouth, And with the breath of His lips He shall slay the wicked."

Jeremiah 25:33, "And at that day the slain of the Lord shall be from one end of the earth even to the other end of the earth. They shall not be lamented, or gathered, or buried; they shall become refuse on the ground."


Then Satan will be loosed from his prison and the unrighteous resurrected for one more judgement. There are three judgements in the Bible concerning the fate of all of us for eternity. New Jerusalem will come down on earth then Satan and the wicked will attack the holy city and then fire will rain down from heaven on them. Let me post that scripture again but I'm going to post another scripture from the Bible that harmonises with what I'm telling you.

Revelation 20:7-10, "Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever." The fires of hell will burn on the breadth of the earth which means the surface of the earth. That is earth isn't it? So the lake of fire and brimstone will be right here on earth. This is where hell is going to take place as is clearly said in these verses.

Psalm 11:6, "Upon the wicked He will rain coals; Fire and brimstone and a burning wind Shall be the portion of their cup."

Revelation 20 goes onto talk about the people that come up from their graves and talks about how they would be judged from the things that were written in the books. And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire..which in verse 10 we find out that it last day and night forever.
Revelation 20 talks about the second resurrection. This resurrection takes place after the 1000 years. Remember its also after a thousand years that Satan is loosed from his prison briefly and when the holy city, New Jerusalem comes down from heaven and is attacked by Satan and unrighteous.

The second resurrection will only be for the unrighteous. The righteous will have been resurrected the first time and been in heaven for a thousand years reigning and judging with Christ. The Bible tells us in Revelation 20:6, "Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years." We don't want to take part in the second resurrection because that will mean we are doomed.

As I said, there are three judgements pertaining to our eternal destinies. The first judgement takes place in heaven before Jesus comes back again for His people. Jesus will already know who the the righteous and unrighteous are when He returns. Revelation 22:12, “And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work."

The second judgement will be with the saints in heaven during the thousand years. It will be a judgement of verification. Suppose a family member discovered that their much-beloved son who was murdered is not in heaven—but the murderer is. Doubtless they would need some answers. This second phase of the judgment will answer all these questions. The life of every lost person (including Satan and his angels) will be reviewed by the saved, who will ultimately agree with Jesus’ decisions regarding the eternal fate for each one. It will become obvious to all that the judgment is no arbitrary matter. Instead, it simply confirms the choices that people have already made to serve either Jesus or another master.

The third judgement will be the judgement of the unrighteous after the 1000 years after Jesus’ returns to earth with the saints in the holy city. This is the judgement in Revelation 20. Before they are punished in hell and die forever, they will know why they are being punished. After the judgement they will admit their guilt and agree that God's judgement is fair.

Romans 14:11, "For it is written: “As I live, says the Lord, Every knee shall bow to Me, And every tongue shall confess to God.”

Philippians 2:10-11, "that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."


The last two judgements will be for mankind and the universe to see that God is fair in all his dealings with us. God will be vindicated before the whole universe. The accusations and claims of Satan will have been exposed and discredited as the perverse lies of a hardened sinner.

Those unrighteous people will be thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone right here on earth. Then a new earth and heaven will be created after the fire has done its job of eradicating sin and sinners forever.
 
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i know someone who often says that hell IS earth because so much suffering exists here, and that god could not have made such a place to allow so much pain-- the basic concept of some lifeforms needing to consume others in order to survive is a good example.

i had some explanations, but how would you reply to this?
God doesn't create suffering, we do. God doesn't hurt humans, other humans do. Is it God's fault some kids in Africa are starving or it's fault our perverse economical system ? To stop suffering now God should wipe out half of humanity. And God didnt create earth the way it is now. Earth was perfect. God doesn't do things halfway. We are ruining and destroying it. The end times which most agree we are in now. Is a time when we screw up so badly that yes, God actually going to intervene and end the misery. Experiment where we are ruling ourselves will be over. If God wanted to make a point, he succeeded. Without him we only good for creating misery and pain...
 

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If the lake that burns with fire and brimstone is hell, what is the lake of fire that hell gets cast into?


And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
The greek word translated as "hell" in Revelation 20:14 is the word "Hades" which literally means the grave or the unconscious state of the dead, which obviously is not the same thing as the modern Christian explanation of "hell" as a place of torment. Poor English translations have caused a real mess of the understanding of death and the "afterlife".
 

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Unquenchable Fire

Someone may raise this question: What about the unquenchable fire that burns the wicked? Doesn't that mean it will never go out? Of course, it doesn't. To quench means to extinguish or put out. No one will be able to put out the fire of hell. That is the strange fire of God. No one will be able to escape from it by extinguishing it. Isaiah says of that fire, "Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor a fire to sit before it." Isaiah 47:14. After it has accomplished its work of destruction, that fire will go out. No one can deliver themselves from its flame by putting it out, but finally not a coal will be left. So say the Scriptures.

Jeremiah prophesied that Jerusalem would burn with a fire that could not be quenched (Jeremiah 17:27), but it burned down to ashes (2 Chronicles 36:19-21). Read those verses and see how the Bible uses the word "quench." It does not mean fire that will never go out. It only means what it says, "unquenchable." It can't be quenched.

And what can we say about the expressions "eternal" "everlasting" which are used to describe the fires of hell? There is absolutely no confusion or contradiction when we allow the Bible to supply its own definition of terms. Many make the mistake of applying modern definitions to those biblical words without reference to their an- cient contextual usage. This violates one of the most fundamental rules of interpretation.

The fact is that eternal fire does not mean a fire that will never go out. The same expression is used in Jude 7 concerning the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrha. "Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."

It is quite obvious that Sodom is not still burning today. The Dead Sea rolls over the place where those ancient cities once stood. Yet they burned with "eternal fire," and we are told that it was an example of something. What is it an example of? "And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an exsample unto those that after should live ungodly." 2 Peter 2:6.

There it is! That eternal fire which brought Sodom to ashes is an example of what will finally happen to the wicked. If this text is true, the same kind of fire that destroyed Sodom and Gomorrha will also burn the wicked in the lake of fire. It will have to be eternal fire. Does that mean it will also burn the wicked to ashes? The Bible says Yes. "For behold, the day cometh that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch ... And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the Lord of hosts." Malachi 4:1, 3.

No words of any language could make it more forceful or clear. This eternal fire burns up eternally. Even Satan, the root, is finally consumed. How consistent the whole picture appears as we let the Bible explain its own terms. What devious manipulation of words would be required to evade the obvious meaning of these words. Yet those who have been prejudiced by a lifetime of tradition can read those words "burn them up ... they shall be ashes" and still insist that the wicked are alive and suffering. Admittedly, there are some ambiguous verses on this subject, but we are finding that they all harmonize when the context is considered, and the Bible is allowed to be its own commentary.

Even Christ's words in Matthew 25:46 are not confusing when we know the obvious meaning. "And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal." Many are troubled over the expression, "everlasting punishment," but notice that it does not say "everlasting punishing." Whatever the punishment is, it will last eternally. Does the Bible tell us what the punishment is? Of course. "The wages of sin is death." Romans 6:23. So Jesus was simply saying that the death would be everlasting. It would never end. It would never be broken by a resurrection.

Paul simplifies it further with these words: "In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished ... " Now, listen, Paul is going to tell us what the punishment is. "Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power." 2 Thessalonians 1:8, 9. So the punishment is everlasting destruction - a destruction that is everlasting. From it there will be no resurrection or hope of life.

But what about that worm which dieth not? Many have read the words of Jesus about hell, "Where their worm dieth not and the fire is not quenched." Mark 9:45, 46. Some have interpreted the worm to be the soul. Is that what Jesus meant? Nowhere in the Bible is there any allusion to the soul as a worm.

In this instance Jesus used the word "Gehenna" for the word "hell." It so happened that Gehenna was an actual place of burning just outside the walls of Jerusalem. No doubt, Christ's listeners could see the smoke curling up from the Valley of Gehenna, where dead bodies and garbage were constantly being burned. If anything fell outside the destructive flames, it was quickly consumed by maggots or worms. With the vivid scenes of utter extinction before their eyes, Jesus used the Gehenna fire as an example of the complete destruction of hell-fire. The fire was never quenched, and the worms were constantly at work upon the bodies-a picture of total destruction.

Perhaps the most easily misconstrued text about hell is John's allusion to the smoke ascending "for ever and ever." For those who are unfamiliar with other uses of this phrase in the Bible, it can be very confusing indeed. But a comparison of verses in both Old and New Testaments reveal that the words "for ever" are used 57 times in the Bible in reference to something that has already come to an end. In other words, "for ever" does not always mean "without end."

Many notable examples could be cited, but two or three are noteworthy. In Exodus 21, the conditions are laid down concerning the law of servitude. If a servant chose to continue serving the master he loved rather than his freedom when it came due, then his ear was to be pierced with an awl and the Scripture declares, "He shall serve him for ever." Verse 6. But how long would that servant serve his human master? Only as long as he lived, of course. So the words "for ever" did not mean without end. Hannah took her son Samuel to God's temple, where he would "there abide for ever." 1 Samuel 1:22. Yet in verse 28 we are plainly told, "As long as he liveth he shall be lent to the Lord." The original meaning of the term "for ever" indicates an indefinite period of time. Generally it defines the period of time in which something can continue to exist under the circumstances prevailing. Even Jonah's stay in the whale's belly is described by him as "for ever." Jonah 2:6.

Someone may object that this could also limit the life of the righteous in heaven, because they are described as glorifying God forever. The terms are the same for both the saved and the lost. But there is one tremendous difference in the circumstances involved. The saints have received the gift of immortality. Their life now measures with the life of God. Immortality means "not subject to death." The words "for ever" used in reference to them could only mean "without end," because they are immortal subjects already. But when "for ever" is used to describe the wicked, we are talking about mortal creatures who can die and must die. Their "for ever" is only as long as their mortal nature can survive in the fire which punishes them according to their works.

https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/book/e/30/t/hell-fire--a-twisted-truth-untangled#Hell-Fire-Not-Endless
 
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Hell is a place to self reflect. Its not fun. Its not lets think of more ways to try to kill jesuschrist
Its step 1 into the worst living they will face wen they keep disrespecting jesuschrist. So like kanye omari west says, its pretty much downhill from here...
People will find out when they get there, Christ gives a look at those who have rejected God's Mercy and Grace and would rather rebel against what is good, these hell bound people despise God and try to make God into their own image. Hell is a place of mental torment and is akin to the lake of fire after the judgment of the second resurrection and second death. (Luke 16:19-31) (Rev. 20:10-15)
 
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The greek word translated as "hell" in Revelation 20:14 is the word "Hades" which literally means the grave or the unconscious state of the dead, which obviously is not the same thing as the modern Christian explanation of "hell" as a place of torment. Poor English translations have caused a real mess of the understanding of death and the "afterlife".
There is no unconscious state of the physical dead. (Luke 16:19-31) This is not a parable. Christ knew Lazarus, He did not know the name of the Rich man...only his carnal soul (many shall come to me saying, Lord, Lord, and I will say, "Away from Me, I know you not." Hell (Hades) is the place of departed souls between death and resurrection (Psalms 16:10). The saved who die, at once, go to be with the Lord (2 Cor. 5:6-8). Hades, Gehenna and the Lake of fire have the same meaning.
 
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The greek word translated as "hell" in Revelation 20:14 is the word "Hades" which literally means the grave or the unconscious state of the dead, which obviously is not the same thing as the modern Christian explanation of "hell" as a place of torment. Poor English translations have caused a real mess of the understanding of death and the "afterlife".
Yes hades means grave but the Bible is clear that hellfire will be a place of punishment first before the wicked die the second death. Hell will be a place of torment that's for sure.

Psalm 11:6, "Upon the wicked He will rain coals; Fire and brimstone and a burning wind Shall be the portion of their cup."

Isaiah 47:14, "Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor a fire to sit before it."

Matthew 13:42, "and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth."

Matthew 24:51, "and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Hebrews 10:29, "Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?"

Revelation 20:10, "The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever."

There is so much scripture (I can't post all of it) that makes it clear that hell will be a place of torment and punishment. Hellfire will burn up the wicked and it will seem like forever for the wicked but after it has done its job of punishing and eradicating sin, then the fire will go out and sin will never exist again. So its not poor English translations of the Bible. How can they get it wrong all those times?
 

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...so it's a bit like visiting the dentist then?

Your religious beliefs are absolutely hysterical....thanks for brightening up my breakfast.

And if you are curious about finding the location of hell......it's inbetween your ears.

....don't thank me.
Is that what happens when you visit the dentist?
 
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