Once Saved Always Saved?

[Daciple]

Yes, I do think that is what you are doing. Take out prayers and insert replies. Every time I see your mountain of words that is what I think of. That and father’s don’t exasperate your children. Looking at all those words and to know that the next reply will be a repeat of all those words

Again, there is an easy solution if I upset you so, block me.

God Bless you dear..

 

[Dalit]

I believe the same thing can be said about us who are Saved, when we are Saved we are made Holy, not because of anything we do, but because the Holy Spirit indwells in us and we are made to be Set Apart for God. Plenty of times we can "get dirty" but regardless of the outside and what happens to it and how it looks, the inside is still Perfect and completely Set Apart for the use of God.

Also as I thought about that Altar I could see the symbolism in ourselves as well. That Altar was made to be Holy, to be Set Apart for the Service of God and not only that, it was also covered in the Blood of the Sacrifice. We who are saved have also been covered by the Blood of Christs Sacrifice and it is not Blood that washes away, gets old or disappears. That Blood that covers us is Eternal, it never leaves and never disappears!!

I think you need to do a deeper study on Holiness, because as I thought you equal Holiness to Sinlessness and the fact is Holiness means to be SET APART for the use of God. We didnt set ourselves apart by our own Works, instead God has MADE us Holy in setting us apart by Faith in Christ to be used for His Will and His Purpose.

This fits here, too.

Romans 12:1-2 (NASB)

1 Therefore I urge you, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service of worship. 2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect.

 

[Claire Rousseau]

I know what holy means. It means without sins.

That is non debatable.

According to the Bible, Holy means “set apart”.

 

[Lisa]

block me

I might have to.

 

[Daciple]

I might have to.

Again, dont know what I did to you other than disagree and give my view on the subject, but if you want to block me then do it, no skin off my back dear. I have no problems with you, never have, and view you as a Sister In Christ.

However if my posts and the length of them upset you so, then by all means block me, then you wont have to see what I write and you can stop derailing the Thread commenting about the length of what I write vs the content of what I have to say...

TL;DR - I love you, block me or stop derailing the Thread about how I write instead of what I write about..

 

[Claire Rousseau]

That's right.

That’s a lie.

All of the characters in the Bible apart from Jesus &God the Father sinned.

Are you saying they were not saved?

Abraham committed adultery, Moses murdered a man, David committed adultery, Solomon committed adultery and became completely backslidden, Peter even lied by DENYING even knowing Jesus...three times, and they all lied throughout their lives just like us....just like you.

Are you saying that none of these people are in Heaven right now?

According to the Bible they ARE.

 

[TokiEl]

According to the Bible, Holy means “set apart”.

I know you oppose saints who say you must stop sinning.

 

[Allegra]

That’s a lie.

All of the characters in the Bible apart from Jesus &God the Father sinned.

Are you saying they were not saved?

Abraham committed adultery, Moses murdered a man, David committed adultery, Solomon committed adultery and became completely backslidden, Peter even lied by DENYING even knowing Jesus...three times, and they all lied throughout their lives just like us....just like you.

Are you saying that none of these people are in Heaven right now?

According to the Bible they ARE.

Not sure about Solomon because there’s nothing in the bible about him after his story. There are so many people crEate theories about him. But I assume if God used him to write His Word then he’s probably saved because of God’s promise to David.
I have a friend who thinks he could be in hell. Seriously.

 

[TokiEl]

That’s a lie.

All of the characters in the Bible apart from Jesus &God the Father sinned.

Are you saying they were not saved?

Abraham committed adultery, Moses murdered a man, David committed adultery, Solomon committed adultery and became completely backslidden, Peter even lied by DENYING even knowing Jesus...three times, and they all lied throughout their lives just like us....just like you.

Are you saying that none of these people are in Heaven right now?

According to the Bible they ARE.

You are just making excuses for sins.

There is no will nor intention to stop sinning.

That's the church today and that's why i'm not there.

 

[Claire Rousseau]

I know you oppose saints who say you must stop sinning.

None of the saints in the Bible claimed you had to stop sinning to be saved, and Jesus said salvation is by grace through faith alone in His Gospel.

The only people in the Bible that claimed salvation was by works were the Pharisees & Saduccees, and Jesus called them a den of vipers, children of the devil, etc.

By the way, a saint is a SAVED person.

Are you saved?

 

[TokiEl]

None of the saints in the Bible claimed you had to stop sinning to be saved, and Jesus said salvation is by grace through faith alone in His Gospel.

The only people in the Bible that claimed salvation was by works were the Pharisees & Saduccees, and Jesus called them a den of vipers, children of the devil, etc.

By the way, a saint is a SAVED person.

Are you saved?

You always oppose saints saying you must stop sinning. And you never tire of that. Jesus said you must stop sinning so i don't know where's your head at.

 

[justjess]

14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without [a]your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is [c]dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made [d]perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was [e]accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?

26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.


James was a Pharisee?

 

[Camidria]

Not sure about Solomon because there’s nothing in the bible about him after his story. There are so many people crEate theories about him. But I assume if God used him to write His Word then he’s probably saved because of God’s promise to David.
I have a friend who thinks he could be in hell. Seriously.

I once read in a book of someone that went to hell that they saw Solomon's crown there, symbolizing that he just about almost ended up in hell, apparently according to the book he was saved but he is the lowest in heaven - guess we'll never know until the end.

 

[Allegra]

I once read in a book of someone that went to hell that they saw Solomon's crown there, symbolizing that he just about almost ended up in hell, apparently according to the book he was saved but he is the lowest in heaven - guess we'll never know until the end.

wow this is interesting...
1 chronicles 28: 6 God said concerning Solomon, “I have chosen him to be my son, and I will be his father”
He kept His promise to David.

But yeah, interesting info about the crown thingy...

We might as well check it ourselves one day ~ in heaven

 

[Claire Rousseau]

You are just making excuses for sins.

There is no will nor intention to stop sinning.

That's the church today and that's why i'm not there.

No, I hate sin, and I do not want to sin. I have no excuses.

You need to read the Bible....you ARE supposed to go to church, even more so because we are in the last days.

“Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.”......Hebrews 10:25 (KJB)

 

[Claire Rousseau]

14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without [a]your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is [c]dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made [d]perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was [e]accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?

26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.


James was a Pharisee?

James was not a Pharisee. But he also did not believe in works salvation.

The passage starting in verse 14 he is speaking to people who ARE SAVED (which is why he addresses them as “brethren”), encouraging them to do good works, yes, because we ought to do good works once we are saved.

Nowhere does it state that he is telling them to do good works in order to go to Heaven/for the saving of their souls.

It is true that once you get saved spiritually you will want to do good works. You want others to get saved, too.

I am not disputing that.

What I am disputing is the false claim that the Bible says we must do good works IN ORDER to be saved spiritually, because it is CRYSTAL CLEAR that salvation from Hell is by grace through faith ALONE in the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

 

[Claire Rousseau]

You always oppose saints saying you must stop sinning. And you never tire of that. Jesus said you must stop sinning so i don't know where's your head at.

I do NOT oppose anyone saying we must stop sinning....I only oppose when people make false claims that a person MUST stop sinning IN ORDER to be saved from Hell.

You are telling LIES straight from the pit of Hell by telling people they cannot go to Heaven just by believing the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

You are saying that it is not enough to trust & believe on Jesus Christ for salvation. You are saying the blood of Jesus Christ is NOT sufficient to pay for our sins, that WE have to add to it....you are DENYING that Jesus saves , and you are a LIAR for it.

Do You want to know WHY I think you are telling these lies?

Because you do NOT want people to get saved from Hell.

You WANT them to believe they have to be PERFECT for Jesus to save them, which is IMPOSSIBLE unless you ARE Jesus.

You are an ENEMY to the cause of Christ, an ENEMY to the Gospel and a servant of Satan.

 

[DevaWolf]

That's right.

Okay, not many true Christians in the world then.

 

[Allegra]

Ok, so you talk to jesus and he makes you without sins so you never make any mistakes anymore when you talk to him?

People who are true Christians never commit crimes either?

If you love your Father in heaven, you want to please Him because of the salvation, joy, and peace He gives us.

Now my question:
Why would you commit crime when you fear the Lord, your God? Or COULD you do it when your Father in heaven is watching you? *shivers*

"The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, and the knowledge of the Holy One is insight."
-‭‭Proverbs‬ ‭9:10‬‬
https://www.bible.com/59/pro.9.10.esv

We will sin though, things like lies, jealous, anger/bitterness, etc. Being saved doesn’t mean you can commit sin all you want. The Lord Himself says that the road is narrow and tells us to deny ourselves and carry his cross. It’s gonna be a lifetime struggles but God sees our heart, He knows our pains.

But the thing is, if we are truly believe in Him, we are saved by Him, He will give us strength to walk in His righteousness as long as we’re humbling ourselves. He makes us ABLE. Not by our power and not by our might, but by His Spirit.

Salvation is a gift, He makes it easy and simple because He really wants many people to be saved. But still...... He questions us:

"I tell you, he will give justice to them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on earth?"
-‭‭Luke‬ ‭18:8‬‬
https://www.bible.com/59/luk.18.8.esv

All of this information you read you will find hard time to understand and believe unless you’re experiencing it yourself which I believe you will as long as you call Him. Be persistent, He will answer in time.

 

[TokiEl]

No, I hate sin, and I do not want to sin. I have no excuses.

You need to read the Bible....you ARE supposed to go to church, even more so because we are in the last days.

“Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.”......Hebrews 10:25 (KJB)

Jesus is plucking people out of church.

We are to be holy and separate and so the place to be is not among self confessed sinners in church.

I am exhorting churchgoers to stop sinning and for this i am opposed.

Do i quit ? No i press on even harder !