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What you wrote concerning it?
He says exactly what He means and He means exactly what He says.
He said that line in the middle of an entire Parable and Speech, there is CONTEXT, but apparently you dont care or understand the idea of CONTEXT...

You are off topic.
Absolutely not, the CONTEXT of what Jesus is speaking about in those verses are FALSE PROPHETS, so what Jesus was saying is that there will be people who PROPHESIES in His name, cast out devils, do wonderful works, but they are FALSE PROPHETS, and Jesus will tell them that He doesnt know them.

You follow a FALSE PROPHET, someone who lies and says he is Christ, who make prophecies, who claims wonderful works I am sure, all done in Christs name, but when he meets Jesus, Jesus will be telling him that He doesnt know Him.

That is LITERALLY the topic the verse you and Tokiel brought up. Jesus is speaking about FALSE PROPHETS and your buddy is a definitely a False Prophet.

The verse isnt speaking about normal Christians, IN CONTEXT, but apparently you nor Toki care about Context...
 

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So what exactly is Jesus talking about IN CONTEXT? So first off he is speaking to the JEWS, and what is one of the main things JEWS believed about themselves?
Jesus is speaking to the Jews... so no need for you to listen to that part. How convenient. Whenever a saying doesn't suit you... just say it is speaking to the Jews. Gotcha !


Now I would say without a doubt that one verse has merit alone, we do strive to enter the straight gate, but what is the straight gate man?

You think its Works Related, but Jesus Christ Himself tells us differently:
You might want to re read what Jesus said to the seven churches in the book of Revelation. Or will you say that Jesus said that to the seven churches and so no need for you to read it ?


Also you really think that Paul and Jesus are at odds man?
Paul is specifically hard to understand and easily misread by certain people.


I see your ridiculous responses to people and now including myself about Red Letters,
I understand that you think Jesus words are just that words to the Jews when it suits you. You make no distinction between what Jesus said and all the rest because you must be lacking in reverence for the Word of God.
 
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He said that line in the middle of an entire Parable and Speech, there is CONTEXT, but apparently you dont care or understand the idea of CONTEXT...
I've just quoted it above.

Absolutely not, the CONTEXT of what Jesus is speaking about in those verses are FALSE PROPHETS, so what Jesus was saying is that there will be people who PROPHESIES in His name, cast out devils, do wonderful works, but they are FALSE PROPHETS, and Jesus will tell them that He doesnt know them.
Yes, like the false teachers of organized religion that teach the opposite of what Jesus said and misuse and abuse His Name.

The ones He told you to leave be and stay away from, because they are the blind leading the blind and if the blind lead the blind, both fall into the ditch (or pit).

You follow a FALSE PROPHET, someone who lies and says he is Christ, who make prophecies, who claims wonderful works I am sure, all done in Christs name, but when he meets Jesus, Jesus will be telling him that He doesnt know Him.
I follow Christ, Who has already made all of His Prophecies that God gave to Him 2000 years ago and today His Message is still exactly the same.

So, no you are clearly not sure, you are ignorant and it shows, because you CLEARLY have not read "The Way home or face The Fire" yet. You really aught to stop following after false Christs like the Pope, who's disciples have told you to believe in the catholic trinity doctrine that is not in the Bible and who taught you to stop keeping The Sabbath, whose false teachings and dogma you follow. So it is actually you who are following the false christs and false prophets of organized religion and who therefore needs to repent, and start following Jesus's Words in the Bible.

But, you have previously claimed that it is not possible to do what Jesus said, even though He and His Father have said that you must. So, you are seeing things exactly backwards and telling me I need to repent, when it is you, because you are following the anti-Christ doctrine of the pope. You should read this article which is about that, and heed the warnings in it:
http://jahtruth.net/darth.htm

That is LITERALLY the topic the verse you and Tokiel brought up. Jesus is speaking about FALSE PROPHETS and your buddy is a definitely a False Prophet.
You really should read the little Book for once and stop speaking of that which you know nothing about.

The verse isnt speaking about normal Christians, IN CONTEXT, but apparently you nor Toki care about Context...
Jesus' disciples and early followers were not called Christians. They were called followers of The Way (Christ) and Covenanters.
Christ says the Pope and his followers have NO chance. So please study the information found at the link above.
God Bless.

Revelation
2:15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the followers of St. [Ni]-Claus (Yuletide), which thing I hate.
2:16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a NEW name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth [it].
2:18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet [are] like fine brass;
2:19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last [to be] more than the first.
2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel (ch. 17), which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
2:21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
2:22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and ALL the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your WORKS.
 
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I believe Peter said it best after he had read some of Paul's letters.

2 Peter 3 14 Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless; 15 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.


I would advice anybody to leave Paul's letters alone and instead concentrate on what Jesus Christ said in the red letter words. God might be testing you to see where your allegiance really is... with His Son or with Paul whom according to Peter is hard to understand.
Maybe that is your problem: you don’t believe the Bible.

I believe the ENTIRE BIBLE is the inerrant, inspired, preserved Word of God.

ALL OF IT.

You believe what Peter wrote but not Paul.

It’s all inspired by God, and EVERY SINGLE WORD IS TRUE.

I guess I gave you too much Scripture so I will
make it simple. One verse, the most famous verse in the Bible. Perhaps you can explain what it means since you suggest I am twisting Scripture.

John 3:16.

We all know it...

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

What does this verse mean to you?
What is it saying??
 

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Maybe that is your problem: you don’t believe the Bible.

I believe the ENTIRE BIBLE is the inerrant, inspired, preserved Word of God.
I believe Jesus Christ.

The bible will not save me... and neither will it save you !


You will either hear Him and comply or you will search the bible like a pharisee.
 
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And you clearly skipped over what I wrote concerning that huh?




If you missed it in there, it is people like your False Prophet who are going to hear Jesus say I do not know you, THAT is the Context Jesus is speaking about in that verse. Better tell your False Prophet to Repent...
It is actually going to be Him saying it so I would strongly suggest you study the information contained at the link and then begin to follow and apply it to your life ASAP if you don't want to be one of them.

God Bless.
 

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Says one who thinks premeditated murder will be forgiven for just believing in Jesus Christ ?

You believe in a false grace by faith only gospel which is so pop with the churches today where the pastors say you are all sinners and you all agree... but since you believe in Jesus Christ that doesn't matter for you are all going in the rapture up to Jesus forever and ever...

I can call you hypocrites but it will be much more effectful when Jesus calls you that !
If you serve Jesus Christ, answer this question truthfully:

Can someone who does not believe in Jesus Christ gain salvation by their own good works?

Yes or No?
 

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Lets be real Lisa
This is reality @Daciple
1 Timothy 4:1
But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons.

Let’s break this verse down...let’s be real...
The Spirit...means the Holy Spirit-correct?

1explicit
adjectiveex·plic·it\ik-ˈspli-sət\
1 a : fully revealed or expressed without vagueness, implication, or ambiguity : leaving no question as to meaning or intent

So, so far we have the Holy Spirit, leaves no question as to the meaning or intent. Says that in the later times
Later times...i.e now

some will fall away from the faith.
1fall
verb\ˈfȯl\
fell\ˈfel\; fall·en\ˈfȯ-lən\; fall·ing
intransitive verb
to enter as if unawares : stumble, stray fell into error We fell into a trap.

So they stumble and fall unawares away from the faith....
What faith do you think Paul is writing about here? Judaism? Islam? Catholicism? I would say that it’s the Christian Faith since he is writing to new pastor Timothy and he is the apostle of the gentiles, the answer is the Christian Faith.

So now we have the Holy Spirit leaves no question to His meaning or intent that in later times i.e. now some Christians will stumble fall unawares away from the Christian faith.

The last bit tells how...because they paid attention
1attention
nounat·ten·tion\ə-ˈten(t)-shən; sense 4 often (ə-)ˌten(ch)-ˈhət\
1 a : the act or state of applying the mind to something

to deceitful spirits and doctrines.

Put it all together and we see that the Holy Spirit is the one who leaves no question as to His meaning or intent that in the later times i.e. now, some Christians will stumble and fall unawares from the Christian faith because they will apply their mind to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons.

If you get really nit picky, this in truth is what the verse is saying. This being the truth, if you disagree with it, considering the Holy Spirit said it, don’t you think then that you’re calling Him a liar? You say osas but the Holy Spirit says otherwise.

So ya, I believe these passages because how could I not, I’m not gonna say the Holy Spirit doesn’t know what He’s talking about. Doesn’t make me a non Christian because I believe this verse and the others I gave as proof, just the opposite, I believe the truth of what is written in the Bible.
The verses you give and the reasons you give can’t trump this one verse, sorry and the other verses are a landslide of evidence against osas.
 

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If you serve Jesus Christ, answer this question truthfully:

Can someone who does not believe in Jesus Christ gain salvation by their own good works?

Yes or No?
If their own good works are in accordance with what Jesus Christ considers good works... Yes of course ! God's grace which is the spilt Blood of Jesus Christ for remission of sins is valid for all who turn from sins and live their life according to His words.

Churchgoers today don't understand that Grace is the spilt Blood of Jesus Christ for remission of sins.

It doesn't matter how much someone believe in Jesus Christ if they don't live their life according to what He said.
 
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I believe Jesus Christ.

The bible will not save me... and neither will it save you !


You will either hear Him and comply or you will search the bible like a pharisee.
If you believe Jesus Christ you would believe the Bible, as Jesus Christ IS THE Word of God manifest in flesh.

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”.......John 1:1
 

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If you believe Jesus Christ you would believe the Bible, as Jesus Christ IS THE Word of God manifest in flesh.

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”.......John 1:1
Jesus Christ is the Word of God.

The Bible is just the inspired and preserved words of God.

Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for not seeing Him whom the Bible speaks about. They were so engrossed or lost in the inspired words of God that they did not recognize the Word of God standing right in front of them !
 
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If their own good works are in accordance with what Jesus Christ considers good works... Yes of course ! God's grace which is the spilt Blood of Jesus Christ for remission of sins is valid for all who turn from sins and live their life according to His words.

Churchgoers today don't understand that Grace is the spilt Blood of Jesus Christ for remission of sins.

It doesn't matter how much someone believe in Jesus Christ if they don't live their life according to what He said.

You are a liar and a heretic for claiming a person can go to Heaven by good works.
 

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If their own good works are in accordance with what Jesus Christ considers good works... Yes of course ! God's grace which is the spilt Blood of Jesus Christ for remission of sins is valid for all who turn from sins and live their life according to His words.

Churchgoers today don't understand that Grace is the spilt Blood of Jesus Christ for remission of sins.

It doesn't matter how much someone believe in Jesus Christ if they don't live their life according to what He said.
How is that in line with scripture, which tells us that Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation?
 
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