Once Saved Always Saved?

[TokiEl]

I wasn't talking to you. Go troll somewhere else.

You are the troll remember ?

I told you before that you are a troll.

 

[bible_student]

You are the troll remember ?

I told you before that you are a troll.

I wrote Claire a longer response than what I usually do (even if we don't see the issue of what it means to be "saved" the same way), because I felt that she has earned a longer reply.

That was from before, when me and her were basically the only two people who were willing to stand up to the Satanists and LGBTQ (and secretly P) pushers on this forum, when literally almost nobody else would, and while the rest of the "christians" were either all too wimpy to help or acting like they were collaborators. So, that was enough of a reason for me.

And that is also what is being talked about. Actually going back to keeping and promoting God's Laws and standing up for what God's Law (the Bible) says is right, and not what the spineless satanic society promotes as being supposedly right.

What you said above has no value to me (because I know where it is coming from, and who is actually really saying it through you) and it won't to anyone else either, if they have been paying attention.

It's just more arguing for Satan, by you (playing "Devil's Advocate" - arguing the opposite, just for the sake of arguing, which is what Satan does). And I feel sorry for you, as you have brought that situation in which you now are upon yourself.

God Bless. I hope that you will get better.

 

[TokiEl]

I wrote Claire a longer response than what I usually do, because if you ask me, she has earned it.

That was from before, when me and her were basically the only two people who were willing to stand up to the Satanists and LGBTQ (and secretly P) pushers on this forum, when literally almost nobody else would. That counts, and my guess would be that she gets some extra brownie points for that.

And that is also what is being talked about. Actually going back to keeping God's Law, and standing up for what God's Law says is right, and not what satanic society says is supposedly right.

What you said above has no value to me (because I know where it is coming from, and who is actually really saying it through you) and it won't to anyone else either, if they have been paying attention.

It's just more arguing for Satan, by you (playing "Devil's Advocate" - arguing the opposite, just for the sake of arguing, which is what Satan does). And I feel sorry for you, as you have brought that situation in which you now are, all on yourself.

God Bless. I hope that you will get better.

You don't fool me man.

Go away and take your chrislam with you.

 

[Claire Rousseau]

Where i am from we work for something we don't have.

That’s great for material things like paying your bills and buying food, clothing and sustaining your physical life here on earth, because we must work to provide for our physical needs. Those things can be bought with money we earn.

However, that is NOT how salvation is obtained. Salvation is spiritual, and cannot be purchased anywhere, with any amount of money. It cannot be earned with even a lifetime of labor, or rewarded for good deeds.
God’s Kingdom is NOT of this world, neither is it operated like this world.

If you want to receive salvation, you must receive it the way God chose to offer it: AS A GIFT....by grace through faith alone in Christ Jesus.


Ephesians 2 (KJB):
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

 

[bible_student]

1 John
2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2:2 And he is the atonement for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for [the sins of] the whole world.
2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, IF we keep His Commandments.
2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth NOT His Commandments, is a LIAR, and the truth is NOT in him.
2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
2:7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old Commandment which ye had from the Beginning. The old Commandment is the Word which ye have heard from the Beginning.
2:8 Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true Light now shineth.
2:9 He that saith he is in the Light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.
2:10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the Light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
2:11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not where he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.

5:3 For THIS is the love of God, that we KEEP His Commandments: and His Commandments are not grievous.

 

[Dalit]

That’s great for material things like paying your bills and buying food, clothing and sustaining your physical life here on earth, because we must work to provide for our physical needs. Those things can be bought with money we earn.

However, that is NOT how salvation is obtained. Salvation is spiritual, and cannot be purchased anywhere, with any amount of money. It cannot be earned with even a lifetime of labor, or rewarded for good deeds.
God’s Kingdom is NOT of this world, neither is it operated like this world.

If you want to receive salvation, you must receive it the way God chose to offer it: AS A GIFT....by grace through faith alone in Christ Jesus.


Ephesians 2KJB)
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

I agree. And think I had a dream about this last night.

Note: I do not go about promoting dreams even though I used to since I was once in the mystical-miracle movement aka NAR (New Apostolic Reformation). I don't think every one of my dreams means something. That's a recipe for disaster, deception and much confusion.

That being said, I had a dream that I was in a room full of superheroes. I've often noted the superhero obsession with Hollywood and comic book reading boys and men. People love superheroes. So I was in this room where they and normal people were killing and being killed. Nothing but death and destruction were in that room. How did I survive and why did I have red hair? Probably because I've always kind of wanted red hair. Anyway, there is an open door in the corner, which I did not notice until I do. My eyes had been on the death and destruction and who was going to die next, must stay alive, etc. I notice a man just outside, but he's kind of hidden. He lets me see him and I smile hopefully for the first time and am glad to see him. I let him pull me out of there. I go live life away from that death and destruction.

The superheroes were representations of false gods. Sure they were impressive, but they all turn on each other and the humans worshipping them in the end.

It struck me that it's just like Jesus, even though it's obviously a symbolic representation. Jesus, through His death on the Cross and obedience to the Father, the pure spotless Lamb of God, saves me from death and destruction. I rely on Him and solely on Him to pull me out of the pit of death and destruction. I have to leave death and destruction behind. Can't look back and won't look back.

Hope this blesses someone.

 

[bible_student]

Did you know Dalit, that red hair is actually quite a common trait among certain Israelites.

The Celts are Israelites Under Another Name.
http://jahtruth.net/celtisr.htm

1 Samuel 16:12 And he sent, and brought him in. Now he [was] ruddy, [and] altogether of a beautiful countenance, and goodly to look to. And the "I AM" said, Arise, anoint him: for this [is] he.
17:42 And when the Philistine looked about, and saw David, he scorned him: for he was [but] a youth, and ruddy, and of a fair countenance.

 

[Dalit]

Did you know Dalit, that red hair is actually quite a common trait among certain Israelites.

The Celts are Israelites Under Another Name.
http://jahtruth.net/celtisr.htm

1 Samuel 16:12 And he sent, and brought him in. Now he [was] ruddy, [and] altogether of a beautiful countenance, and goodly to look to. And the "I AM" said, Arise, anoint him: for this [is] he.
17:42 And when the Philistine looked about, and saw David, he scorned him: for he was [but] a youth, and ruddy, and of a fair countenance.

Cool.

 

[TokiEl]

That’s great for material things like paying your bills and buying food, clothing and sustaining your physical life here on earth, because we must work to provide for our physical needs. Those things can be bought with money we earn.

However, that is NOT how salvation is obtained. Salvation is spiritual, and cannot be purchased anywhere, with any amount of money. It cannot be earned with even a lifetime of labor, or rewarded for good deeds.
God’s Kingdom is NOT of this world, neither is it operated like this world.

If you want to receive salvation, you must receive it the way God chose to offer it: AS A GIFT....by grace through faith alone in Christ Jesus.


Ephesians 2KJB)
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

So you make null and void what the Saviour said ?

Luke 13 23Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, 24Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.


No need to strive you say ?

 

[bible_student]

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Cool.

 

[Allegra]

Did you know Dalit, that red hair is actually quite a common trait among certain Israelites.

The Celts are Israelites Under Another Name.
http://jahtruth.net/celtisr.htm

1 Samuel 16:12 And he sent, and brought him in. Now he [was] ruddy, [and] altogether of a beautiful countenance, and goodly to look to. And the "I AM" said, Arise, anoint him: for this [is] he.
17:42 And when the Philistine looked about, and saw David, he scorned him: for he was [but] a youth, and ruddy, and of a fair countenance.

Amazing. I read some articles about Israelites tribes, like Judah is African Americans, other tribes are South Americans like Argentinian, Mexican, Chile, Brazil, etc.

As someone who is Chinese Christian, the lost tribes or Israelites topic is very interesting! Because it feels like where God started everything.

But I do believe that Spirtual Israelites are every believer!
“those who have faith are children of Abraham” (Galatians 3:7)

 

[TokiEl]

Modern christian mainstream is just another gospel from an antisemite named Martin.

 

[bible_student]

But I do believe that Spirtual Israelites are every believer!
“those who have faith are children of Abraham” (Galatians 3:7)

Yes, I agree completely and that's what is important.

God Bless you Allegra!

 

[bible_student]

Matthew
8:10 When Jesus heard [it], he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.
8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the East and West, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the Kingdom of heaven.
8:12 But many of the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 

[TokiEl]

"Repentance is giving up to stop fighting against God, to stop attempting to gain own salvation through our own works. To literally give up and fall upon Christ. So that we say nothing in my hands I bring, simply to the cross I cling. When that seed grows in you, to the point you know that youre standing before God is 100% based and founded upon the perfect work and merit of Jesus Christ then you stand before Him with confidence. Knowing that all your sins have been atoned for and you are righteous in Christ."

Are nobody able to see that this is a false gospel ?

 

[Allegra]

Are nobody able to see that this is a false gospel ?

Everything u disagree is false gospel brother. The special snowflake syndrome is chronic in this forum.

 

[bible_student]

"Repentance is giving up to stop fighting against God, to stop attempting to gain own salvation through our own works. To literally give up and fall upon Christ. So that we say nothing in my hands I bring, simply to the cross I cling. When that seed grows in you, to the point you know that youre standing before God is 100% based and founded upon the perfect work and merit of Jesus Christ then you stand before Him with confidence. Knowing that all your sins have been atoned for and you are righteous in Christ."

^^^ This is the beginning.

It's in that moment when you finally surrender, because you know that you are nothing.

Only after this happens can the real work begin.. when you begin to walk the walk, and your new life begins.

 

[TokiEl]

Everything u disagree is false gospel brother. The special snowflake syndrome is chronic in this forum.

No i didn't think you see it as a false gospel seeing you posted it. Or perhaps that's why you posted it ?

Just believe in Jesus and become entirely righteous... as long as you don't add anything of your own is a false gospel presented by an esteemed minister of righteousness whom i call washed up Paul.

Strive ! said the Saviour who will have the last word which in this case will be Go Away !

 

[Allegra]

No i didn't think you see it as a false gospel seeing you posted it. Or perhaps that's why you posted it ?

Just believe in Jesus and become entirely righteous... as long as you don't add anything of your own is a false gospel presented by an esteemed minister of righteousness whom i call washed up Paul.

Strive ! said the Saviour who will have the last word which in this case will be Go Away !

I strive this level of pettiness.

 

[Claire Rousseau]

If at first you don't succeed... then you get up, and you think about what it was that caused you to fail, and then you need to ask God to help you understand why, and to show you what you are doing wrong, so that you can do better next time around, and on an on until you finally overcome whatever it is that caused you to fall.

God WANTS to help you.

He wants you to succeed, with His help and with Him providing you with the strength to do His Will for you. He wants you to be happy, and that success that you will eventually have, if you persevere, and trust Him to help you and show you and give you the needed strength, every step of the way, will bring you something even better than happiness - it will eventually bring you JOY.

Joy - true spiritual joy, that no man (or woman) can take away from you, because it is real and lasting, unlike temporary and fleeting human happiness. And you will also feel much better, about the person God has helped you to become (with His help - always with His help) and you will eventually even be able to start to like the person, that He has helped you to become.

You just have to ask Him, and trust Him that He will show you. God is Good, and God loves to see His children happy and joyful.

I grew up Christian. And did it all.. did baptism, did being "saved", did churches, did it all. But for me, it was not enough. I still wanted more, because life here, even after all that, still sucked, and I wanted to understand why. Even though I was blessed in many ways, ways that I could not have deserved, life here still... at the end of the day, more most people, is pretty miserable. If not in one way, then it is in another. I had good, kind and loving parents, nice siblings, nice surroundings to grow up in, and very little to complain about growing up. At times it was great. But, the world still sucked (mostly because of people and how they were). Then in collage, I met nice girl and we got married. And she was lovely, and it was a lovely... for a while. Then the world started to interfere, and satan was able to ruin it,. And I know why, now. I know it was because we built on sand. But the point is, how many people are actually happy and end up staying that way? Why is it so hard? It seemed like it shouldn't be. And it really shouldn't.

So, at some point, I must have asked the question.. Why? Why does life here have to be this way? Why is it so difficult, why does it seem futile to find real and lasting happiness? What gives?.. I really wanted to know. Well.. before I knew it, the answers started coming. I was learning lots of new things, discovering that the world we are in, is basically (as far as the system goes) built mostly, if not almost totally, on lies. Somewhere, someone lies, and usually it is due to selfishness and greed that will be involves somehow. God heard m cries, and He began to show me and answer me. People here, they lie like hell. All the time people lie. Why ? I learned a lot, and discovered that a big and crucial part of all of this, comes down to being a slave to the oppressive Babylonian "beast" (the market) system. I discovered, that the system has made slaves of everyone... except the very rich, who use it to benefit just them, at the expense of everyone else, while destroying and polluting the planet, because of how wasteful it all is.

So, is that what it means to be "saved" then? Undergoing all this suffering, having to slave away at a slave job, (and having to watch your friends and family do it too, even if they can't see it, you can), after being trained at University to be a cog and lifelong slave, until one day, it will all finally be over with... and then we get to go to heaven.. ? And we got to keep working, to keep the system going, because churches (where the people keep getting "saved") need money too, so more people can be "saved" and it all just keeps going and the world just keeps getting worse and worse, etc...

Everyone is oppressed, except for the select few who know how the system works and don't mind making it work just for them, which means everyone else is getting constantly ripped off, and has to be exploited and be suffering, and keep working as slaves to the rich, so the rich people can continue to be wasteful and greedy. And the irony? Rich people are not happy EITHER. I knew a few and had a rich friend in collage. He was rich, and miserable. Nobody wanted to be his friend for real... even though there were always people who hung around (for the handouts). It made him miserable.

Rich people are not happy, they lie awake at night and worry about how they are going to keep from losing it all. No one really is, and there is a reason for it.

To make a long story short... God eventually showed me that the reason everyone is unhappy, is because no one is following the instructions He gave, which is the only way that leads to not just happiness, but also to JOY. It can only start when we stop rejecting Him. It's not God's fault, that people are unhappy. It's not God's fault that people suffer. WE do all of that. We cause it, we choose it, because of wanting to go our "own" way... (but here is another hidden truth... our "own" way? is not really our own, it's Satan's way really, because if we are not listening to God, we are listening to Satan).

The only way, to make the world a better place, where people can live and be happy, as long as they are here, is by going back to the Principles we were given in God's Law. That is the recipe for success. We need to learn to know it, and then, live it.

And we need to learn to do that before we can go to heaven, because that is what people in heaven are like and they all live by God's Laws and they don't break it, like people do here. We are here, because we did, so now, we have to re-learn to keep God's Laws and Ways and not our own, before we can go back to heaven where we all originally came from.

So to me, I now see our Salvation in that. It is actually in God's Law, it has been in there all along.. in God's Law there is Salvation. Because it and learning the Eternal Principles in it, is what actually prepares you for a REAL Life. It (God, through it) teaches you how to live, and how to actually know how to relate in a healthy way, with any and all who may be around you. It teaches you God's Wisdom, His Ways, His Way off thinking (which is the only really SANE Way of thinking) and it is the recipe for success. And as a bonus, God Blesses you, if you will make the effort to learn it and learn to keep it! Try keeping the real Sabbath. Don't worry about what your friends will say. Ignore them if they want to be negative, just smile at them, and tell them, you want to do it. See what happens. You might be surprised.

Anyways, to hopefully get to a point.. to me, at this moment (and living in the now) it is now more about the journey, and not just thinking of the destination (the hope of salvation - 1 Thessalonians 5:8). The journey we can choose to take, is described in the Bible, and it is there for each and every one, "whosoever willeth", to begin to walk it, one day at a time, with God (helping you, every step of The Way). So, now I see "saved" and I mean REALLY SAVED as something that is waiting at the end of the journey, (but it is also a daily part of it, too). It's not just a thing, its also a place and a destination. And, True Freedom (God's Law is known as the Perfect Royal Laws of Liberty - FREEDOM).

Going back to keeping only God's Laws, is the ONLY Way to put a stop to all of the evil that is constantly going on in this world.

Like the inscription says that is written on the Liberty Bell (which is a partial quote from God's Law).

Leviticus 25:10 And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim Liberty throughout [all] the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubile unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family.

Let Freedom ring.

1 Thessalonians 5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.

Thank you for sharing, and I agree with a lot of what you said, and that the world system is disappointing & generally wicked.

And it is true that we, (not God) are to blame, as it all comes down to one single word that explains why everything seems so broken: sin.

Look, I am not ever going to tell you not to strive to obey God in your fullest capacity at all times. Because we MUST do our best, we must live our best life possible and we must do all that we can to glorify God in these dark, final days. I believe that with all my heart.

Personal achievement and obedience to God’s laws is righteous & noble, but it means nothing to God if you are not saved. Until you have trusted Jesus with your life & as the beholder of your salvation, you have not been reconciled to God.

Obey first His Gospel and BELIEVE it. God commands you to believe the Gospel of His Son.

Until then, it is all vanity.

“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” ........John 14:16 (KJB)