How to identify a false Christ, Teacher, Prophet

[phipps]

The point is that when the wrath of God begins with sudden (nuclear) destruction there are also 144 000 virgin Christians sealed and kept from the wrath of God.

But you're mixing the order of how things will happen. Its important to get everything right or we'll misunderstand God's word. God is an ordered God.

 

[TokiEl]

I believe Christ was fully human when He was on earth. You're saying He is fully human now. So please show me scripture that proves what you're saying or it is man made doctrine.

I'm no doubting Thomas. I doubt people not God! That is why I want you to prove from the Word of God what you're saying.

When Jesus Christ was fully human after His resurrection... when exactly did He stop being fully human ?

 

[phipps]

When Jesus Christ was fully human after His resurrection... when exactly did He stop being fully human ?

But is He fully human in heaven now? Scripture please?

 

[TokiEl]

But you're mixing the order of how things will happen. Its important to get everything right or we'll misunderstand God's word. God is an ordered God.

When the wrath of God begins with sudden nuclear destruction then the 144 000 virgin Christians will be sealed by God and kept from His wrath.

 

[TokiEl]

But is He fully human in heaven now? Scripture please?

But for Heaven's sake when He was fully human after rising from the dead how can He not be fully human forevermore ?

He is fully God and fully human in His glorified human body.

 

[phipps]

When the wrath of God begins with sudden nuclear destruction then the 144 000 virgin Christians will be sealed by God and kept from His wrath.

I just showed you from scripture the 144,000 will be sealed before Jesus returns, so repeating what you believe when it differs from the Bible won't change that will it?

 

[phipps]

But for Heaven's sake when He was fully human after rising from the dead how can He not be fully human forevermore ?

He is fully God and fully human in His glorified human body.

Where in the Bible does it say so? Why can't you post scripture on what you're saying?

 

[TokiEl]

Where in the Bible does it say so? Why can't you post scripture on what you're saying?

But this is common sense. And without it you can cherry pick as much Bible verses you want and not be any wiser.


When He rose from the dead fully human... He is forevermore fully human.

 

[bible_student]

We are not animals. In fact if you look at the creation of this world, humans are created more special than animals.We are created in God's image as @TokiEl told you. Animals are not created in God's image. And we are given power over animals.

What you're preaching is evolution. There are many things that separate us from animals. Speech, free will, conciousness etc.

Speech, free-will and consciousness are attributes of the soul (being) not the human (animal body).

human being
human+being
(body)+(soul)

You know your body has to die. Why would God go to all the trouble of trying to save your soul (the real you) if you were nothing but a crude smelly animal (humans are both crude and smelly) that has to die anyway?

Body and soul
human+being

The human body (animal) is only a vehicle and teaching tool for the soul that is incarnated inside of the human body (vehicle).

We are not humans that have souls. We are souls (spirit beings - beings of Light) that temporarily have humans.

 

[bible_student]

And Jesus will come as Jesus not using a different name.

And I reiterate too that you mix the Word of God with lies.

Then you are denying what Christ told everyone in Revelation, in the verses that were quoted to you.

 

[phipps]

But this is common sense. And without it you can cherry pick as much Bible verses you want and not be any wiser.


When He rose from the dead fully human... He is forevermore fully human.

You know I don't cherry pick. I am the one always telling people on here to always read the whole Bible on specific subject so as not to misunderstand God's Word. You have not shown me one verse to support the claim that Jesus is fully human in heaven now.

Yes, when He rose He was human but then He returned to heaven. So does the Bible say He is fully human in heaven now?

This isn't about common sense. It about misinterpreting the Word of God.

 

[phipps]

Speech, free-will and consciousness are attributes of the soul (being) not the human (animal body).

human being
human+being
(body)+(soul)

You know your body has to die. Why would God go to all the trouble of trying to save your soul (the real you) if you were nothing but a crude smelly animal (humans are both crude and smelly) that has to die anyway?

Body and soul
human+being

The human body (animal) is only a vehicle and teaching tool for the soul that is incarnated inside of the human body (vehicle).

We are not humans that have souls. We are souls (spirit beings - beings of Light) that temporarily have humans.

Can a soul survive without a body? Not biblically. So you too show me where in the Bible a soul can be without the body? I have a forum about death on this very subject and what the Bible has to say about it.

 

[bible_student]

Humans are made in God's own image as the Bible says.

So humans are not animals.


Now humans can be cruel and base like beasts... but humans can also be compassionate and holy like God.

The Bible says that men are beasts (a beast is an animal) so you are supposed to put two and two together, and come to realize that the animal part is not what is important (or even the real you) but that it is the soul (spirit) that is important and the real you.

You know your human body ages and eventually it will die and then it will rot away and worms will eat it. Think about it.

We are not the human (body) part, we are the soul.

Ecclesiastes
3:18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might show them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.
3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a human hath no preeminence above a beast: for all [is] vanity.
3:20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

 

[TokiEl]

I just showed you from scripture the 144,000 will be sealed before Jesus returns, so repeating what you believe when it differs from the Bible won't change that will it?

At the time of God's wrath 144 000 wise virgin Christians will be sealed by God and kept from His wrath... then 3.5 years of great tribulation... then the Millennial reign.. then the new earth and heaven.

 

[bible_student]

Can a soul survive without a body? Not biblically. So you too show me where in the Bible a soul can be without the body? I have a forum about death on this very subject and what the Bible has to say about it.

Yes, it can. Not only can it, but it feels MUCH better and "alive" (and free) without the flesh weighing down on it, once it is freed from the body (tabernacle, that it has to carry about and is limited by and kept on the ground with - it's prison cell).

Solomon 9:15. For the corruptible body presseth down the soul (Being), and the earthy tabernacle (human) weigheth down the mind that museth upon many things.

2 Corinthians
5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of [this] tabernacle (body) were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
5:2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
5:3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.
5:4 For we that are in [this] tabernacle (human body) do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up by Life.
5:5 Now He that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing [is] God, Who also hath given unto us the zeal of the Spirit.
5:6 Therefore [we are] always confident, knowing that, whilst we [the Being] feel at home IN the body, we are absent from the Lord:
5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight: )
5:8 We are confident, [I say], and willing rather to be OUT OF the body, and to be present with the Lord.
5:9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether in [the body] or out [of the body], we may be accepted by Him.
5:10 For we must all appear before the Judgment Seat of Christ; that every one may receive the (recompense for) things [done whilst] IN [his] body, according to that he hath DONE, whether [it be] good or bad.

12:2 I knew a man in Christ over fourteen years ago, (whether IN the body, I cannot tell; or whether OUT OF the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth; ) such an one caught up to the third heaven.
12:3 And I knew such a man, (whether IN the body, or OUT of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth; )
12:4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not possible for a man to utter.
King of kings' Bible

 

[phipps]

Then you are denying what Christ told everyone in Revelation, in the verses that were quoted to you.

What verses?

 

[TokiEl]

You know I don't cherry pick. I am the one always telling people on here to always read the whole Bible on specific subject so as not to misunderstand God's Word. You have not shown me one verse to support the claim that Jesus is fully human in heaven now.

Yes, when He rose He was human but then He returned to heaven. So does the Bible say He is fully human in heaven now?

He rose from the dead fully human in His glorified human body.

Of course Jesus Christ is fully human in Heaven... but not in a body like ours but in His glorified human body.

Humans who overcome and make the cut into eternal life... will also have glorified human bodies.

 

[bible_student]

What verses?

The verses from Revelation that were referenced in post #75 above.

 

[phipps]

Yes, it can. Not only can it, but it feels MUCH better and "alive" (and free) without the flesh weighing down on it, once it is freed from the body (tabernacle, that it has to carry about and is limited by and kept on the ground with - it's prison cell).

2 Corinthians
5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of [this] tabernacle (body) were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
5:2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
5:3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.
5:4 For we that are in [this] tabernacle (human body) do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up by Life.
5:5 Now He that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing [is] God, Who also hath given unto us the zeal of the Spirit.
5:6 Therefore [we are] always confident, knowing that, whilst we [the Being] feel at home IN the body, we are absent from the Lord:
5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight: )
5:8 We are confident, [I say], and willing rather to be OUT OF the body, and to be present with the Lord.
5:9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether in [the body] or out [of the body], we may be accepted by Him.
5:10 For we must all appear before the Judgment Seat of Christ; that every one may receive the (recompense for) things [done whilst] IN [his] body, according to that he hath DONE, whether [it be] good or bad.

12:2 I knew a man in Christ over fourteen years ago, (whether IN the body, I cannot tell; or whether OUT OF the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth; ) such an one caught up to the third heaven.
12:3 And I knew such a man, (whether IN the body, or OUT of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth; )
12:4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not possible for a man to utter.
King of kings' Bible

Paul is not talking about the body without the soul. He is talking about our spiritual lives. He is talking about carnal nature against our spiritual selves. He would never suggest that our bodies can live without the body because it would be against the Word of God. Even after Jesus returns the second time we will have bodies with souls. The bodies will be new though.

Ecclesiastes 12:7, Then the dust will return to the earth as it was, And the spirit will return to God who gave it. The body and spirit can't exist separately.

If you want to read more on this based on what the Bible says, this is my forum on the subject.

 

[phipps]

At the time of God's wrath 144 000 wise virgin Christians will be sealed by God and kept from His wrath... then 3.5 years of great tribulation... then the Millennial reign.. then the new earth and heaven.

You keep repeating the same thing over and over but you don't show scripture to prove your point. All God's people will be sealed before He comes back including the 144,000. Revelation 7: 1-4; 14:1.

Shortly after this special seal is secured, the great tribulation and seven last plagues are poured onto an unrepentant world. If you disagreee all you have to do is show me scripture that says different to what I'm saying. Otherwise it useless us going round in circles while you repeat the same things that are contrary to the word of God.