הַנְּפִלִ֞ים - The Nephilim

[Red Sky at Morning]

Genesis was not written by Moshe, but by several authors and editors

One can only wonder how the several authors and editors colluded together to engineer the following scenario...

Torah code, hidden messages
Study of the Bible will increase knowledge, which may only make you proud. The goal should be to know Jesus better and to trust Him more.

Attempts to mystify the Bible, like the Jewish practice of kabbala and teachings that reserve understanding for priests or scholars, are far from God’s intent.

God’s way of righteousness is by faith in Jesus Christ. Faith implies a decision to trust, without proof. For those who take that step He sends the Holy Spirit to make the Bible come alive and He takes the believer on a journey where faith grows and matures. We have an opportunity to increase faith when we comprehend what has been called the Torah Code, an underlying pattern of words spelled out at equidistant skip sequences throughout the original text of the Hebrew Bible.

Here is an example.

Using the Masoretic text, which has not changed by as much as one character for more than 2000 years, we find the word TORAH spelled out at skip sequences at the start of the books of Genesis, Exodus, Numbers and Deuteronomy. The Hebrew word TORAH means law, or teaching, and is the title rabbis use to describe the first five books of the Bible, the Law of Moses.

Finding this pattern does not mystify the Bible. It is simply there. It is a fact. It can be checked by counting the letters manually or, today, with computer programs. That the pattern is there is remarkable. It recurs too many times to be considered coincidental. It is an indication, a seal so to speak, of divine authorship.

The first word in Genesis 1:1 is BERESHEET, meaning “In the beginning.” The last letter of the Hebrew word is a tav:

Hebrew is read from right to left. Tav is the first letter of the word TORAH. Count seven times seven letters, or 49 characters, and the 50th letter in the Hebrew text is vav – the second letter in the word TORAH. Keep going in this way, every 50th letter, and TORAH is spelled out. Also starting with the first occurrence of the letter tav in the book of Exodus, the word TORAH is spelled out in the same way.

Do the exercise in the fourth and fifth books of the Bible – Numbers and Deuteronomy – and we find the same phenomenon, except that the word TORAH is spelled backwards; pointing inwards, so to speak.

What about Leviticus, the middle book of these first five books of the Bible?

In that book, dominated by the seven opening chapters detailing blood sacrifices for sin, we find the ancient name for God spelled out. Starting with the first letter yud, skipping seven letters and counting the eighth, we find the word YHWH, translated into English, by the way, as Yahweh or Jehovah.

It is impossible that this could have happened by chance. The only conclusion is that the Spirit of God directed the men who wrote the text. As you will see in the next section, computer searches have discovered other word codes, pointing to events that have occurred in history.

This is not numerology. It is not using the Bible to predict the future. God tells us not to do that.

“Let no one be found among you who ... practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the Lord ...”

~ Deuteronomy 18:10-12
The plain text of the Bible gives warnings of events to occur in the last days, but we are told that no-one can predict the time of the end. We should not even try. Prophecy is given for two reasons:

• Milestones
  Events occur that were foretold in the Bible – such as the regathering of Israel to the Promised Land – and we realise that only God could have known these things. Our faith is reinforced.
• Motivation
  When we see predicted events unfold, it is a signal to be ready – to be taking God seriously.

Being aware of the Torah code simply confirms that our trust in the Word of God stands upon a sure foundation.



Computer discoveries
The existence of the word TORAH, embedded at a continuous equidistant skip sequence in the Hebrew text was uncovered by rabbis long ago. They counted the letters by hand.

However, in the last 30 years, with computers, a dazzling complexity of word codes has been found.

Of course, in any large enough sample of text a computer can find words at letter sequences of equidistant intervals. That would not be noteworthy. But when a word like TORAH occurs as it does, and in the way that it does, in the opening books of the Bible, it cannot be dismissed as coincidental. The odds against it are too great.

In recent years, what has been done with computers is to search the Bible text for a word such as, say, Hitler. In this case, it was found within a passage in Deuteronomy 10, counting every twenty-second letter. There would be nothing remarkable about that in itself. However, the computer is then set to find related words, such as nazi, enemy, slaughter and evil man. All these words were found, in the same portion of Bible text, at varying skip sequences. The odds of such a phenomenon happening by chance can be calculated and they are astronomical.

The mathematicians who have been working on this project applied the process to texts other than the Bible. They ran the same computer model on the Hebrew translation of Tolstoy’s War and Peace, and on other literary works. The code only shows up in the Bible. Change just one letter in the Bible text, however, and the entire phenomenon disappears.

Thousands of related word groups have been discovered embedded in the Hebrew text. By way of example, here is a tiny sample of words which are grouped together:

1. Man on moon – spaceship – Apollo 13
2. Shakespeare – Macbeth – Hamlet – stage
3. Hussein – scuds – missile – war
4. Rabin – assassin – Amir – Tel Aviv
5. Edison – electricity – light bulb
6. President Kennedy – to die – Dallas
7. French revolution – Bastille – Louis

The mathematics and computer studies have been rigorously tested since the early 1990’s and the evidence is irrefutable. An article on the phenomenon by three world-renowned mathematicians passed an unprecedented three reviews before being published in the authoritative journal, Statistical Science, in 1994.

The Bible is unique. It carries the seal of God.

Torah code reveals the Messiah:
YESHUA, the Hebrew name of Jesus, is revealed in skip sequences in the Hebrew Bible.

• Example 1:
  Starting with the yud in BERESHEET, the first word in Genesis 1:1, and skipping 521 letters consecutively, the phrase is spelled out: YESHUA YAKOL, meaning: “Jesus is able.”
• Example 2:
  The book of Leviticus gives chapters of instruction on blood sacrifices to atone for sin. They all point to Jesus’ perfect sacrifice on the cross. Leviticus also describes rules for the priests and for the High Priest. Jesus is our great High Priest, mediating with God for us.
  Leviticus 21:10 says: “And the High Priest, the one among his brothers who has had the anointing oil poured on his head ...”
  Starting with the heh, the second letter in the Hebrew: VE HA’COHEN HA’GADOL, “And the high priest ...” and counting every third letter, reveals the phrase: HAIN DAM YESHUA, meaning: “Behold the blood of Jesus.”
• Example 3:
  Isaiah 53 is one of the great passages in the Tanach pointing to the work and person of the Messiah.

By oppression and judgment He was taken away. And who can speak of His descendants? For He was cut off from the land of the living; for the transgression of My people He was stricken. He was assigned a grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death, though He had done no violence, nor was any deceit in His mouth. Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush Him and cause Him to suffer, and though the Lord makes His life a guilt offering, He will see His offspring and prolong His days, and the will of the Lord will prosper in His hand.
~ Isaiah 53:8-10

Embedded in this passage is the phrase YESHUA SHMI, which means: “Jesus is My name.”

It is found by starting at the second yud in the word YARIK – “He shall prolong” – in verse 10, and counting back through the verses every twentieth letter.

http://www.propheticvoice.co.uk/apologetics/Torah-code-hidden-messages

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

my fav youtuber on all things alien or reptilian related or astral related
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCH8ArKBBi1CSjSOL_3-my8A

Do you find it intriguing that there is a consistent anti-Biblical narrative in play over the true identity of the Nephilim?

Put another way, if you were one, would you go along with the "Biblical Narrative" or come up with your own PR?

 

[AspiringSoul]

Do you find it intriguing that there is a consistent anti-Biblical narrative in play over the true identity of the Nephilim?

Put another way, if you were one, would you go along with the "Biblical Narrative" or come up with your own PR?

Well if you look at this guy rich...do you think Christianity or the Bible have him the knowledge he was seeking when he was young dealing with his experiences?
The religious narrative is usually
"Demons derp"
Even Muslims would usually just say "jinns" but to Islam's credit there is vast material written by Muslims esp Sufis on the nature of that other dimension (or dimensions). However what the modern era has allowed us are the opportunities to research existing information from different sources and make sense of it all.

My perspective is that there are real alien beings all over the universe and we are connected via the mental universe. So due to our experiences with them on the mental/or metaphysical level we on one hand perceive them as demonic spirits and on the other were told they literally came from the sky (ie aliens) and we're very real physical beings.
The Bible called them 'sons of gods' which is about the most retarded thing from a monotheistic perspective but it was subjective terminology I guess how people would have viewed them as dieties in that time.
I guarantee you us humans are demonic to some other aliens. Ie if they see humans on the astral plane we get upto a lot of shit too.
Imagine they knew of aliester Crowley or the occult dudes or the conjurers.and black magicians amongst our kind what they would think.
When/if humans discover interdimensional travel and start landing on alien planets then we'll be just like them.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Well if you look at this guy rich...do you think Christianity or the Bible have him the knowledge he was seeking when he was young dealing with his experiences?
The religious narrative is usually
"Demons derp"
Even Muslims would usually just say "jinns" but to Islam's credit there is vast material written by Muslims esp Sufis on the nature of that other dimension (or dimensions). However what the modern era has allowed us are the opportunities to research existing information from different sources and make sense of it all.

My perspective is that there are real alien beings all over the universe and we are connected via the mental universe. So due to our experiences with them on the mental/or metaphysical level we on one hand perceive them as demonic spirits and on the other were told they literally came from the sky (ie aliens) and we're very real physical beings.
The Bible called them 'sons of gods' which is about the most retarded thing from a monotheistic perspective but it was subjective terminology I guess how people would have viewed them as dieties in that time.
I guarantee you us humans are demonic to some other aliens. Ie if they see humans on the astral plane we get upto a lot of shit too.
Imagine they knew of aliester Crowley or the occult dudes or the conjurers.and black magicians amongst our kind what they would think.
When/if humans discover interdimensional travel and start landing on alien planets then we'll be just like them.

Thanks for being honest about your beliefs - it gives me better insight into the way you look at the spiritual world.

For a greater depth than the usual trite Christian responses you may have encountered, I recommend Michael S Heiser "The Unseen Realm".

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Sitchin Considered...




The Nephilim
Mr. Sitchin contends that the word "nephilim" means "those who came down from above" or "those who descended to earth" or "people of the fiery rockets" (see The Twelfth Planet, pp. vii, 128ff.).

These translations, of course, serve his purpose -- to see the Nephilim as ancient astronauts. As such it is hard to over-estimate the importance of Sitchin's work here - if he's wrong about the meaning of nephilim, much of his overall thesis falls.

Unfortunately for Sitchin, such translations are completely out of step with the Hebrew Bible. Sitchin makes a number of erroneous conclusions about the form and meaning of the word nephilim that I've addressed in this PDF document. What follows is a brief sketch.

Sitchin's Mistakes

Sitchin assumes "nephilim" comes from the Hebrew word "naphal" which usually means "to fall." He then forces the meaning "to come down" onto the word, creating his "to come down from above" translation. In the form we find it in the Hebrew Bible, if the word nephilim came from Hebrew naphal, it would not be spelled as we find it. The form nephilim cannot mean "fallen ones" (the spelling would then be nephulim). Likewise nephilim does not mean "those who fall" or "those who fall away" (that would be nophelim). The only way in Hebrew to get nephilim from naphal by the rules of Hebrew morphology (word formation) would be to presume a noun spelled naphil and then pluralize it. I say "presume" since this noun does not exist in biblical Hebrew -- unless one counts Genesis 6:4 and Numbers 13:33, the two occurrences of nephilim -- but that would then be assuming what one is trying to prove! However, in Aramaic the noun naphil(a) does exist. It means "giant," making it easy to see why the Septuagint (the ancient Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible) translated nephilimas gigantes ("giant"). Here is a screen shot (not good quality) of Aramaic naphil(a) from Morris Jastrow's Dictionary of the Targumim, the Talmud Babli and Yerushalmi, and the Midrashic Literature (1903; page 923, or page 243 of 1061 of the online PDF of volume 2).

Notice that Jastrow actually gives us the form of the plural in Aramaic: nephilin (ending in "n" not "m" as Aramaic plurals do). It is most likely that nephilim is an Aramaic term imported into Hebrew during the final editing of the Hebrew Bible in Babylon (where Aramaic was the lingua franca) and then the ending was corrected to Hebrew rules of word formation. Both phenomena are known in the Hebrew Bible. The notes on this below are from the scholarly 2 volume work, A Grammar of Biblical Hebrew, by P. Jouon and T. Muraoka (Paragraph 90, sections c and d-a):

As noted above, Sitchin wants to argue the termnephilim means "those who CAME DOWN from heaven" so he can make the nephilim sound like ancient astronauts. Not only does this confuse two characters in the Genesis 6 episode (the sons of God and the nephilim are not the same; they are different groups; see below), but it is a translation impossibility with respect to biblical Hebrew grammar. The verb "to go down" in biblical Hebrew is not naphal; it is yarad. The verb naphal can mean something approximate to "came down" under one condition: it must occur in the Hiphil ("causative") stem in Hebrew grammar. If you know Hebrew, you know this is because the Hiphil stem adds either a prefixed letter to the verb and an a-class vowel (or both) in the verb conjugations, and any such occurrences in the Hebrew Bible are therefore not spelled "nephilim."

Lastly, I want to discuss what is still to me an amazing error in Sitchin's printed work. Granted, I do not believe Sitchin knows much about the ancient languages in which he claims expertise, but this error is especially shocking. Why? It shows Sitchin cannot tell the difference between Hebrew and Aramaic--and they both use the same alphabet.

In his book Stairway to Heaven, Sitchin quotes from a Dead Sea Scroll called the Genesis Apocryphon110-112. In an effort to defend his idea that the nephilim and the sons of God are the same, he writes: "But as we examine the Hebrew original, we find it does not say 'watchers'; it says 'Nephilim'." The quotation shows that Sitchin did not know the Qumran text was written in Aramaic, not Hebrew, and he also mistranslated it, for the word "Watchers" is actually in the text he quotes AND has pictured in his book! To the right is an image of the transcription of the passage in Sitchin's book and a translation. Both come from The Dead Sea Scrolls Study Edition Vol. 1:Q1-4Q273 - Vol II: 4Q274-11Q31 CD

, ed. by Florentino Garcia Martinez and Eibert J. C. Tigchelaar, scrolls specialists (our text is in volume 1). The pink word is the word for "Watchers" and the yellow word is the word Sitchin notes in his quotation, "nephilim." Sitchin either did not know the word "Watchers" was indeed in the text, or left it out of his discussion. Since BOTH words appear in his transcription in his book, I'm not sure which is the case.

http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/nephilim/nephilim.htm

 

[elsbet]

Sitchin's Mistakes

Sitchin assumes "nephilim" comes from the Hebrew word "naphal" which usually means "to fall." He then forces the meaning "to come down" onto the word...

I wouldn't recommend Sitchin's 'work' to anyone... however, it is not really Sitchin's assumption that Nephilim comes from naphal--
it is Strong's Concordance that gives us that information.

NEPHILIM

And from the Exhaustive Concordance--

5303​

NEPHILIM​

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance​

giant ​

Or nphil {nef-eel'}; from naphal; ​

properly, a feller, i.e. A bully or tyrant -- giant.​

​

see HEBREW naphal​

​

​

 

[AspiringSoul]

Thanks for being honest about your beliefs - it gives me better insight into the way you look at the spiritual world.

For a greater depth than the usual trite Christian responses you may have encountered, I recommend Michael S Heiser "The Unseen Realm".

Keep in mind though one of the views held by both Sufis (not ignoring the fact Sufis were usually persian), hindus and probably even the far East is that the animated forms that appear to us in the astral plane for example are only projections rather than reality. So for example if you were to connect with a plant...(ie attain gnosis of it by concentrating on it completely beyond the senses the same way like when you Induce an obe) then it will appear in an animated form ie like a spiritual person.
So people historically have believed in nature spirits as very real beings whilst others have argued that they are not real per se...but the mind makes them a reality ...yet another views is that the physical is a manifestation not the mental so the spirits preceed their physical counterpart.
Personally I dont think of them as spirits but as energy that our mind can commune with and give it an animated form. It is really a human feature to commune with things in this manner.
It's the same reason why even God aswell as angels appear in humanoid forms.
These forms are always familiar forms.

Not very far from us btw is a world absolutely full of reptilian serpent looking entities. Yet the extent of influence they hold over us or ability to harm depends on the extent our amgydala/mammillian brain (keeping in mind this is the part of the brain thats linked to addiction, aggression, territorial behaviour etc) controls us.
It depends on the neural connections we form through repeat behaviour /habits.
Yet if you look at it physically this reflects on our physical evolution ie amphibian to mammal to advanced mammal.
Yet evil doesn't disappear it becomes far more intelligent the higher up we go..ie the monkey mind attached to very personal narratives..so personal we can't let go of them. The monkey mind consistently produces or keeps us locked in a never ending cycle of drama and bs.
The only way past that is if you lose attachments to your so called 'self' and realise this self is all built on narratives the monkey mind produced.
Failing that humans will always attract trouble.

 

[elsbet]

@AspiringSoul


Not very far from us btw is a world absolutely full of reptilian serpent looking entities. Yet the extent of influence they hold over us or ability to harm depends on the extent our amgydala/mammillian brain (keeping in mind this is the part of the brain thats linked to addiction, aggression, territorial behaviour etc) controls us.
It depends on the neural connections we form through repeat behaviour /habits.

That is another way of looking at what some might call besetting sins. The new-agers may see as cling-ons (literally), you see as energy (right?), and I think its demonic, in nature.. maybe generational-- why not. Whatever, you're right imo.. they are well- worn paths. Fortunately, we can form new neural pathways, just by doing something differently. Even things that are seemingly insignificant... we are fearfully and wonderfully made.

 

[elsbet]

A somewhat secular take on the mythical Atlantis, and the war of the Titans and the Olympians.. the latter part is narrated by Manly P. Hall. I learned that Dagon (the fish-man god) is actually known (historically speaking) in many cultures over the world, though by different names-- Hindus, included.

Something in there for you, @Forever Light
The Egyptian rulers with no Egyptian ancestry, I think it was? Can it remember exactly, but it's close.

 

[elsbet]

Surely you are not suggesting evidence contrary to the official narrative might go missing?!

Never.. lol
Idk how I missed this page.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

L.A. Marzulli cited Dr IDE Thomas as his mentor in understanding the significance of the Nephilim. In an old recorded interview with him, it is amazing that he singled out 1948, the rebirth of Israel with a sudden surge in "alien" activity. 70 years later now interest in ET has not subsided, it is accepted by more people than the Resurrection!

 

[elsbet]

L.A. Marzulli cited Dr IDE Thomas as his mentor in understanding the significance of the Nephilim. In an old recorded interview with him, it is amazing that he singled out 1948, the rebirth of Israel with a sudden surge in "alien" activity. 70 years later now interest in ET has not subsided, it is accepted by more people than the Resurrection!

Oohhh... I'll be watching that shortly.
I have heard the citings coincided, as well, with the project Babalon Working.. when Jack Parsons and L Ron Hubbard tried to invoke Crowley's Moonchild.*

BABALON WORKING 1946

* Apparently, even Crowley thought they were a bit ridiculous, referring to the endeavor as '..the idiocy of these louts.'

 

[Thunderian]

when Jack Parsons and L Ron Hubbard tried to invoke Crowley's Moonchild.

This was one of the craziest things I learned recently about old LRH.

 

[elsbet]

This was one of the craziest things I learned recently about old LRH.

That's really saying something too, considering his history

Remember the Neverending Story... ?

"Bastian... call my name!"

"Moonchild!"

Yeesh... I didn't know what he said until I was an adult. But yeah.. its everywhere.

 

[Thunderian]

I've been wondering lately where the count of Saint Germain might fit into the nephilim. For those who don't know, le Comte de Saint-Germain (I have to use the French rendering of his name at least once because of Canada's bilingual laws) was a legendary figure who lived in Europe in the 1700's. He was good at everything, and the life of the party, to boot.

He was a musician who was considered a peer of Handel, he was regarded as one of the eminent philosophers of his time, he was able to perform inexplicable acts of alchemy, he was a confidant of Louis XV, who gave him rooms at Château de Chambord. Interestingly, he was never seen eating, and he was never linked to anyone romantically. He was extremely wealthy.

The most fascinating thing about St. Germain, however, is his apparent longevity. He was not known to age, and his recorded death seems to have been faked, since he was reportedly seen by more than a few people afterwards. He was also said to have been at Bohemian Grove during the second world war, and at a Bilderberg meeting in the early 1960's. Not believable, obviously, unless he is not human.

When Genesis 6 speaks of men of renown, I think that men like St. Germain could be one of those. I think the legends of immortals and vampires and aliens all come from the real activities of fallen angels and their offspring. It's possible that men like St Germain have been around for thousands of years.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

I've been wondering lately where the count of Saint Germain might fit into the nephilim. For those who don't know, le Comte de Saint-Germain (I have to use the French rendering of his name at least once because of Canada's bilingual laws) was a legendary figure who lived in Europe in the 1700's. He was good at everything, and the life of the party, to boot.

He was a musician who was considered a peer of Handel, he was regarded as one of the eminent philosophers of his time, he was able to perform inexplicable acts of alchemy, he was a confidant of Louis XV, who gave him rooms at Château de Chambord. Interestingly, he was never seen eating, and he was never linked to anyone romantically. He was extremely wealthy.

The most fascinating thing about St. Germain, however, is his apparent longevity. He was not known to age, and his recorded death seems to have been faked, since he was reportedly seen by more than a few people afterwards. He was also said to have been at Bohemian Grove during the second world war, and at a Bilderberg meeting in the early 1960's. Not believable, obviously, unless he is not human.

When Genesis 6 speaks of men of renown, I think that men like St. Germain could be one of those. I think the legends of immortals and vampires and aliens all come from the real activities of fallen angels and their offspring. It's possible that men like St Germain have been around for thousands of years.

Those "ascended masters" may not be quite what the gnostics believe them to be!

 

[dima]

Oohhh... I'll be watching that shortly.
I have heard the citings coincided, as well, with the project Babalon Working.. when Jack Parsons and L Ron Hubbard tried to invoke Crowley's Moonchild.*

BABALON WORKING 1946

* Apparently, even Crowley thought they were a bit ridiculous, referring to the endeavor as '..the idiocy of these louts.'

and then hubbard makes himself rich by teaching the same occult stuff to hollywood celebrities under the "scientology". weird how they have to pay in order to get more information, huh

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Stephen Bancarz talks with Mike Heiser...

 

[Douglas Summers]

I have been digging into the teachings of Chuck Missler and came across the following study some VCF members may find interesting...

Hi Red, It was the constant belief of the antiquities of the Jew that the "Sons of God" were rebelled angels (Josephus) Antiquities of The Jews Vol. II page 73. While interesting, The Lord has through vision and communication, shown me that Christ is all I (we) need. We are to preach, teach Jesus Christ and the Gospel of the Kingdom. (Rom. 1:1-6; Acts 1:8; 4:2; 8:5; 12; 9:20; 19:8; 20:22-27)

 

[elsbet]

I've been wondering lately where the count of Saint Germain might fit into the nephilim. For those who don't know, le Comte de Saint-Germain (I have to use the French rendering of his name at least once because of Canada's bilingual laws) was a legendary figure who lived in Europe in the 1700's. He was good at everything, and the life of the party, to boot.

He was a musician who was considered a peer of Handel, he was regarded as one of the eminent philosophers of his time, he was able to perform inexplicable acts of alchemy, he was a confidant of Louis XV, who gave him rooms at Château de Chambord. Interestingly, he was never seen eating, and he was never linked to anyone romantically. He was extremely wealthy.

The most fascinating thing about St. Germain, however, is his apparent longevity. He was not known to age, and his recorded death seems to have been faked, since he was reportedly seen by more than a few people afterwards. He was also said to have been at Bohemian Grove during the second world war, and at a Bilderberg meeting in the early 1960's. Not believable, obviously, unless he is not human.

When Genesis 6 speaks of men of renown, I think that men like St. Germain could be one of those. I think the legends of immortals and vampires and aliens all come from the real activities of fallen angels and their offspring. It's possible that men like St Germain have been around for thousands of years.

Can't believe I didn't finish a reply to this--

"... inexplicable acts of alchemy"

And from the article linked below-- it is now thought he may have been (or may be lol)...

"... one of the sons of Francis Racoczi II, Prince of Transylvania."

LINK

I have to agree with you though. They're portrayed as persecuted heroes in the movies and in music-- the 'predictive programming' right? I imagine it's to garner our sympathies. Could be that they too can appear as angels of light?