the peadophile agenda (careful this is the next big thing)

[Futility]

But there is proposed legislation, in various countries to lower the age of consent to 12/13. You are okay with that?


What are you trying to say here? Just because the Quiverfull movement is mostly filled with Christian-right, so somehow there is a connnection between christianity and paedophilia? A one-child household or ten-children household knows no bounds for perps.

No, I'm not. What countries? Is the legislation going to pass?


Just that it's pretty common in those movements, and strict patriarchal family structure cann lead to it, and that people who scream family values the loudest aren't immune.

Just a little counter because you try and link LGBT to it.

 

[Corvus Metus]

I'm sure they said the same thing for homosexuality once upon a time but look where we are now. We're at a point where they want us to consider it normal and a healthy lifestyle.

Some people might have said that, but I never did. I knew that one day homosexuality would be socially acceptable, at least in the West. Because what two consenting adults do shouldn't be anyone's concern. Even if you think it's a sin, you're not God, so you can't judge and in a free society, what consenting adults do is their own business.

p***philia is a whole different animal. You have to demolish the barrier on consent... Because you know, that whole power dynamic between an adult and a child means that consent in sexual relations between the two are impossible. You'd have to get people convinced, somehow, that there's a difference between an 18-year old woman and a movie executive using his power to exploit her and a grown adult using his power to exploit a child... There would be a hell of a lot of kick back.

'cause, you know. A girl, who said she's down to fuck but passed out because she's drunk, can't consent... And if you have sex with her, chances are you're going to jail. People are starting to call out Hollywood's sexual predators because they use their position of authority to try and make young women feel they have to chose between sex or a job. Pushing for the acceptance of p***philia would cause serious kickback from some of the groups commonly considered to embody the left (see: LGBT and feminists).

 

[Karlysymon]

No, I'm not. What countries? Is the legislation going to pass?

Just that it's pretty common in those movements, and strict patriarchal family structure cann lead to it, and that people who scream family values the loudest aren't immune.

Just a little counter because you try and link LGBT to it.

Legislation, not yet. But they are pushing it. Here's my old thread

Age of Consent

and

Whitehall study wanted age of consent lowered to 14 and sentences for sex cut

 

[Kung Fu]

Some people might have said that, but I never did. I knew that one day homosexuality would be socially acceptable, at least in the West.

I'm pretty sure it was not "some" but the majority of the world said that and have been saying it for a lot longer than you or I have been around.

Your last sentence is faulty because someone even more far left on the political social spectrum than you can say "I knew that one day p***philia would be socially acceptable, at least in the West".

 

[TempestOfTempo]

I think its also very telling that the woman presenting the Tedx talk mentions that by her estimations, there are something like 60-90 million pedos in the world today. Not sure if I agree w/that assessment but she then goes on to mention that such a number means that most everyone knows a pedo. There are how many BILLION people on planet Earth, yet we are supposed to buy her nonsense that we are basically ALL in contact w/the pedoverse? Get real. I also noted how they mentioned family members and other close people in order to "humanize" this agenda and its behaviors.

 

[Corvus Metus]

I'm pretty sure it was not "some" but the majority of the world said that and have been saying it for a lot longer than you or I have been around.

Your last sentence is faulty because someone even more far left on the political social spectrum than you can say "I knew that one day p***philia would be socially acceptable, at least in the West".

Maybe. But again, how's that whole consent problem going to work out? 'cause you know, power dynamics can invalidate consent and there's am inherit power dynamic between children and adults. You can say "p***philia's gonna be the next thing because society accepts gays" but until you give a legitimate reason to be concerned I'm just going to think it's homophobic bullshit disguised as concern for children.

But dude, you can't get further left than anarchism because that's the ultimate endgame of socialism and communism. Anarchists just decide to cut out that step where we have an authoritarian step... So I'm not sure how you can find someone "further to the left" than me.

 

[Karlysymon]

I think its also very telling that the woman presenting the Tedx talk mentions that by her estimations, there are something like 60-90 million pedos in the world today. Not sure if I agree w/that assessment but she then goes on to mention that such a number means that most everyone knows a pedo. There are how many BILLION people on planet Earth, yet we are supposed to buy her nonsense that we are basically ALL in contact w/the pedoverse? Get real. I also noted how they mentioned family members and other close people in order to "humanize" this agenda and its behaviors.

I agree with you. She was playing the numbers-card. I believe thats how they got people to sign up to things like Facebook, in the beginning. Just tell people "there's already 100million active users" and everyone will want to join the crowd? In this case, she is trying to portray it as more prevalent than we might actually think it to be. Inotherwords, she is saying there's millions of 'sufferers' whom we considerate of.

 

[The Zone]

300 Priests Charged

 

[Mr.Grieves]

I think its also very telling that the woman presenting the Tedx talk mentions that by her estimations, there are something like 60-90 million pedos in the world today. Not sure if I agree w/that assessment but she then goes on to mention that such a number means that most everyone knows a pedo. There are how many BILLION people on planet Earth, yet we are supposed to buy her nonsense that we are basically ALL in contact w/the pedoverse? Get real. I also noted how they mentioned family members and other close people in order to "humanize" this agenda and its behaviors.

Honestly, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the numbers were higher, as such a study- and it was I believe a study she referenced and not her opinion- can only gauge admitted or outed pedophiles, and can't encompass those who conceal their sexual preference, and who are likely the majority of that group.

I believe thats how they got people to sign up to things like Facebook, in the beginning. Just tell people "there's already 100million active users" and everyone will want to join the crowd? In this case, she is trying to portray it as more prevalent than we might actually think it to be.

I don't think anyone wants to 'join the crowd' of pedophiles, nor do I imagine that's the presenter's intent. I don't really see this presenter as an agent of the agenda either, so much as a witness too it with some unorthodox, silly notions about what's to be done. The REAL pushers of this agenda are the ones selling children as sex symbols, and selling children on the idea of sex long before they should be considering such things. This opens products and programs intended for children to a whole new market of adult creeps, and opens children to a whole new market of products and programs intended originally for adults. If anyone has their finger directly on the pulse of the p***phile problem, it's not scientists conducting surveys, it's marketing firms collecting ad-tracker data on internet traffic, and they're not doing it for the good of mankind.

 

[Karlysymon]

I don't think anyone wants to 'join the crowd' of pedophiles, nor do I imagine that's the presenter's intent. I don't really see this presenter as an agent of the agenda either, so much as a witness too it with some unorthodox, silly notions about what's to be done. The REAL pushers of this agenda are the ones selling children as sex symbols, and selling children on the idea of sex long before they should be considering such things. This opens products and programs intended for children to a whole new market of adult creeps, and opens children to a whole new market of products and programs intended originally for adults. If anyone has their finger directly on the pulse of the p***phile problem, it's not scientists conducting surveys, it's marketing firms collecting ad-tracker data on internet traffic, and they're not doing it for the good of mankind.

In this case, she is trying to portray it as more prevalent than we might actually think it to be. Inotherwords, she is saying there's millions of 'sufferers' whom we considerate of.

It would be interesting to find out who carried out and financed the study she is referencing.

 

[Mr.Grieves]

It would be interesting to find out who carried out and financed the study she is referencing.

I think she made reference to some institute of sexology?

 

[Karlysymon]

I think she made reference to some institute of sexology?

I confess, i couldn't stand her presentation, so i didn't listen to the whole thing. So if we dig further than the sexology institute, we'll probably find a one Alfred Kinsey.

Also, you blamed the marketeers. Let's imagine there was no tv, movies, billboards etc. How do you thing the agenda-pushers would go about it, absent of aforementioned media?

 

[rainerann]

Vc did an article on this presentation that answers a lot of the background questions about who this lady works for and stuff. https://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/this-tedx-talk-attempts-to-normalize-p***philia/

 

[Mr.Grieves]

I confess, i couldn't stand her presentation, so i didn't listen to the whole thing.

I just read an article summarizing it myself, but saw something about a study in sexology in there.

So if we dig further than the sexology institute, we'll probably find a one Alfred Kinsey.

Why/who's that?

Also, you blamed the marketeers. Let's imagine there was no tv, movies, billboards etc. How do you thing the agenda-pushers would go about it, absent of aforementioned media?

If there was no media at all we'd be living in an entirely different world, the likes of which is too much of a struggle to imagine to suppose there'd even be a p***phile agenda, let alone the form it might take.

 

[UnderAlienControl]

the peadophile agenda (careful this is the next big thing)
I'll see ya over at The Den...

 

[TempestOfTempo]

I confess, i couldn't stand her presentation, so i didn't listen to the whole thing. So if we dig further than the sexology institute, we'll probably find a one Alfred Kinsey.

Also, you blamed the marketeers. Let's imagine there was no tv, movies, billboards etc. How do you thing the agenda-pushers would go about it, absent of aforementioned media?

Kinsey was an absolute monster and fraud. So its telling that his work is still utilized as some sort of standard.

 

[TempestOfTempo]

Honestly, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the numbers were higher, as such a study- and it was I believe a study she referenced and not her opinion- can only gauge admitted or outed pedophiles, and can't encompass those who conceal their sexual preference, and who are likely the majority of that group.

I don't think anyone wants to 'join the crowd' of pedophiles, nor do I imagine that's the presenter's intent. I don't really see this presenter as an agent of the agenda either, so much as a witness too it with some unorthodox, silly notions about what's to be done. The REAL pushers of this agenda are the ones selling children as sex symbols, and selling children on the idea of sex long before they should be considering such things. This opens products and programs intended for children to a whole new market of adult creeps, and opens children to a whole new market of products and programs intended originally for adults. If anyone has their finger directly on the pulse of the p***phile problem, it's not scientists conducting surveys, it's marketing firms collecting ad-tracker data on internet traffic, and they're not doing it for the good of mankind.

It could be higher or lower. If I had to risk a wager, Id say possibly higher. That said, its obvious what her tactics and strategy are.

 

[Karlysymon]

Why/who's that [Kinsey]?

Iam sure that you know who he is but here you go;
"In his classes, Kinsey promoted biological information devoid of any moral, legal or ethical instruction. He apparently had the same mentality as Magnus Hirschfeld, a professed homosexual, who headed the Institute for Sexology in Berlin,Germany. Hirschfeld was an active proponent of abortion,gay rights, and feminism and a participant in a global sexology movement which demanded worldwide elimination of prudish sex laws and sexual repression."[/]
http://spingola.com/new_world_order6.htm

If there was no media at all we'd be living in an entirely different world, the likes of which is too much of a struggle to imagine to suppose there'd even be a p***phile agenda, let alone the form it might take.

I don't think that's a fair assessment. To think that the 20/21st is just primed for the pervasivess of paedophilia. You know how rising crime rates are often blamed on the media (entertainment), i wonder if the bestiarii, in ancient Rome, were blamed for much aswell?

 

[Kung Fu]

Maybe. But again, how's that whole consent problem going to work out? 'cause you know, power dynamics can invalidate consent and there's am inherit power dynamic between children and adults. You can say "p***philia's gonna be the next thing because society accepts gays" but until you give a legitimate reason to be concerned I'm just going to think it's homophobic bullshit disguised as concern for children.

Don't worry they worked out the whole homosexual thing when much of the world was against it and I'm sure as hell they'll work this one out as well. And so far it seems to be working. The next few generations are going to be a lot softer on p***philia than previous generations. The evidence is there to see for everyone. p***philia is going down the exact same route as homosexuality went through and you know this.

But dude, you can't get further left than anarchism because that's the ultimate endgame of socialism and communism. Anarchists just decide to cut out that step where we have an authoritarian step... So I'm not sure how you can find someone "further to the left" than me.

Someone further on the left than you would be someone who accepts p***philia as a normal and healthy lifestyle.

 

[Corvus Metus]

Don't worry they worked out the whole homosexual thing when much of the world was against it and I'm sure as hell they'll work this one out as well. And so far it seems to be working. The next few generations are going to be a lot softer on p***philia than previous generations. The evidence is there to see for everyone. p***philia is going down the exact same route as homosexuality went through and you know this.

Homosexuality worked because homosexual relations between two consenting adults is really nobody's business. People might have been against it, but ultimately realized that what John and Jack or Jane and Jill do doesn't have any impact on their life. But you're ignoring my question.

How would they frame p***philia as acceptable? Sure, some people can say, "look at those poor, non-offending pedophiles ostracized from society" but I'm curious as to how you think sexual acts toward children will ever be acceptable. Again, the barrier is consent.

Let's look at a relatively recent case in the media; Harvey Weinstein. He was a man of power and influence in Hollywood and he used his power and authority to gain sexual favors from women. Society, by and large, seen these actions as predatory and considered them sexual abuse. So I want you to explain, instead of ignoring my question, how given the inherently uneven power dynamic between children and adults, how you're going to convince people children can consent...

You know, with pissing off a whole lot people. Including those feminists you've often hated on.

Someone further on the left than you would be someone who accepts p***philia as a normal and healthy lifestyle.

Hate to tell you this chief, but once you become an anarchist, there's no further left that you. You are literally the final form of left-wing political ideology, which is why there's so many adjectives to describe different anarchist strains of thought.