Prophetic Expectations

[Karlysymon]

I think it is very important to stay in the scriptures at times like these. We may yet be glad of every bit of wisdom we can glean!

Couldn't agree more. So your eyes didn't pop?

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Couldn't agree more. So your eyes didn't pop?

Not at all - anyone who has spent time in the "Christian Truther" movement will have come across this perspective.

I think turning the grafted olive branches against the original tree has the fingerprints of the deceiver on it, but as I get older, I find you can get to the truth more easily by being aware of a range of interpretations, then taking those questions to the Lord.

 

[rainerann]

True. Sickening and spine-chilling! If I were living in the region, it would basically mean, I have a few months left to live.
I wonder where all this falls, in the "innocent Israel facing bloodthirsty Gog and Magog" narrative.

Have you by any chance read that book you recommended for me called "Terrorism and the Illuminati?" I am wondering because I found something interesting while I was reading that reminded me of what you are saying here.

"Although the ten tribes with the exception of Judah and Benjamin have popularly been considered 'lost' ever since, according to ancient Jewish sources, their existence was well known. According to Josephus, '...the Ten Tribes who are beyond the Euphrates till now, and are in immense multitude, who numbers cannot be estimates.' Similarly, the Apocrypha presume to also know their location. In the Fourth Book of Ezra, the Ten Tribes were said to have been carried by Hosea a prophet in Israel in the eighth century BC - to the Euphrates, at the narrow passages of the river from which they went on for a journey of a year and a half to a place called 'Arzareth."

This would have taken them to the land of the Scythians in southern Russia, whom Josephus and others had identified as the ancestors of Gog and Magog. According to Herodotus, the Scythians emerged from beyond the Euphrates, from across the Araxes, an Armenian river that borders Armenia, Iran and Azerbaijan. The Scythians first appear in Assyrian annals as Ishkuzai related to the modern term "Ashkenazi", from Ashkenaz, who was the son of Magog's brother Gomer."

The whole second chapter containing the identity of Scythians is fascinating. Basically, the term Scythians is derived from the name Isaac and the early region that would become noted as "Ashkenazi" is historically regarded as the places where the lost tribes and the descendants of Esau resided. This is also the place predicted to be Gog and Magog, which is absolutely fascinating. It would also make a lot of sense and explain why there was a large scale conversion to Judaism at one point that did not take place in any other location the Jews traveled and resided in. They were told of their history by a Jewish source who knew where the former tribes resided in.

I have to look for it, but I posted a long time ago about the migration route to Caucasus from the Roman region in order to present the reality that Ashkenazi Jews descend from Jews whether or not there was a historical conversion in history books that suggest otherwise. The fact that Josephus knew where the lost tribes of Israel were would explain why Jews from this area would try to migrate to this place as well.

As a result, it would seem they have a pretty close connection to the identity of Gog and Magog according to their own historians, and are not likely to play the innocent party when all is said and done. This should seem like an obvious thing when you consider that they are basically the ones who are actively promoting a war, but somehow this isn't so obvious for everyone.

 

[rainerann]

https://stevenmcollins.com/the-khazars-and-the-modern-jews/

This is the article I found a long time ago and reading it again confirms many of the things Livingstone is saying. This place that would eventually be known for the conversion to Judaism was a place known to the Jews for hundreds of years and many groups chose to migrate to this area because they knew other Jews were there. However, it seems that there were some missing pieces for the people who had descended from Israel living in this area that is likely to have motivated a return to Judaism in a more formal way.

 

[rainerann]

I have for a long time already thought that Ezekiel 39 is talking about the Zionist return of Jews from the north. This even makes more sense when you consider the conversion to Judaism that took place within the region Josephus knew to be the location of the descendants of Gog and Magog. My guess is that he didn't anticipate the significant role this location would play in world events taking place several centuries later. I am guessing he didn't know the way he would be incriminating himself with a statement like this.

“Son of man, prophesy against Gog and say: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I am against you, Gog, chief prince of[a] Meshekand Tubal. 2 I will turn you around and drag you along. I will bring you from the far north and send you against the mountains of Israel. 3 Then I will strike your bow from your left hand and make your arrows drop from your right hand. 4 On the mountains of Israel you will fall, you and all your troops and the nations with you. I will give you as food to all kinds of carrion birds and to the wild animals. 5 You will fall in the open field, for I have spoken, declares the Sovereign Lord. 6 I will send fire on Magog and on those who live in safety in the coastlands, and they will know that I am the Lord." (Ezekiel 39:1-6).

However, it would seem fairly obvious according to scripture because who else do people really think will be coming from the north against Israel at this point. Russia has recently made it illegal to deny the Holocaust. Not surprising how this would also affect historical criticism of Stalin in Russia as well.

"He said he feared it would “practically ban criticism of Stalin” for “grave mistakes that led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of our soldiers”.
Read more: https://forward.com/news/breaking-news/197664/holocaust-deniers-in-russia-now-face-five-years-in/

Nevertheless, Russia seems to be on board with the whole thing, so it seems silly to assume that Gog according to Ezekiel is anyone but the forced Ashkenazi return made possible by Kabbalists under the new name of Zionism who came from the north, and since they made the journey, there has been nothing but increasing chaos in the middle east.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

 

[cfowen]

What exactly about him you find embarrassing ? And what fakery you talk about ? He was always one of my favorite preachers...With incredible insights about spiritual world...

I can see how you could take that, but I was talking about the Charismatic fake gifts arena, not Derek Prince. Actually, when I was into that stuff, I thought Derek Prince was probably the best teacher. I just know now that the possibility of the Gifts still being active is zero. The Gifts of the Spirit, as in Ac 2, have been gone since about 63AD, when Israel and everything associated with Israel, ceased to exist, in God's eyes. Israel were the chosen people for 2000 years and the Gentiles are now the chosen, and have been for about 1950 years, with about 50 years to go. For Chosen Gentiles, see eph 1:4. There are lots of verses in Eph to prove Paul was only talking to Gentiles - 2:11, 3:1, 3:6, 3:8, 4:17

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

I was talking about the Charismatic fake gifts arena, not Derek Prince. The Gifts of the Spirit, as in Ac 2, have been gone since about 63AD, when Israel and everything associated with Israel, ceased to exist, in God's eyes. Israel were the chosen people for 2000 years and the Gentiles are now the chosen, and have been for about 1950 Years, with about 50 years to go. For Chosen, see eph 1:4. There are lots of verses in Eph to prove Paul was only talking to Gentiles - 2:11, 3:1, 3:6, 3:8, 4:17

And all the miracles, words of knowledge, healings etc since? Would you interpret these as works of satan rather than question your own interpretations?

 

[Karlysymon]

Would St. Paul count as an entity?

Yes, he does (a good one, that is) but I think I know where you are tending with this. The ex-Pharisee wasn't that dumb about the Moral law. Examples : *Romans 13:8-10

* For a guy who "resolved to know nothing except Christ and Him cruficied" (1 Corinthians 2:2), he had to know that the very reason for the cross was because the Law couldn't be abrogated. If it could, Christ need not have come. God could simply rub it all away. Without the Law, there is no sin. Sin is transgression of the Law.

The focus of Hebrews.
The Israelite sanctuary was always meant to be an object lesson of the gospel. It was to teach the Jews the plan of salvation, which included sacrifice, intercession, judgment, and the final end of sin.

 

[Karlysymon]

Have you by any chance read that book you recommended for me called "Terrorism and the Illuminati?" I am wondering because I found something interesting while I was reading that reminded me of what you are saying here.

"Although the ten tribes with the exception of Judah and Benjamin have popularly been considered 'lost' ever since, according to ancient Jewish sources, their existence was well known. According to Josephus, '...the Ten Tribes who are beyond the Euphrates till now, and are in immense multitude, who numbers cannot be estimates.' Similarly, the Apocrypha presume to also know their location. In the Fourth Book of Ezra, the Ten Tribes were said to have been carried by Hosea a prophet in Israel in the eighth century BC - to the Euphrates, at the narrow passages of the river from which they went on for a journey of a year and a half to a place called 'Arzareth."

This would have taken them to the land of the Scythians in southern Russia, whom Josephus and others had identified as the ancestors of Gog and Magog. According to Herodotus, the Scythians emerged from beyond the Euphrates, from across the Araxes, an Armenian river that borders Armenia, Iran and Azerbaijan. The Scythians first appear in Assyrian annals as Ishkuzai related to the modern term "Ashkenazi", from Ashkenaz, who was the son of Magog's brother Gomer."

The whole second chapter containing the identity of Scythians is fascinating. Basically, the term Scythians is derived from the name Isaac and the early region that would become noted as "Ashkenazi" is historically regarded as the places where the lost tribes and the descendants of Esau resided. This is also the place predicted to be Gog and Magog, which is absolutely fascinating. It would also make a lot of sense and explain why there was a large scale conversion to Judaism at one point that did not take place in any other location the Jews traveled and resided in. They were told of their history by a Jewish source who knew where the former tribes resided in.

I have to look for it, but I posted a long time ago about the migration route to Caucasus from the Roman region in order to present the reality that Ashkenazi Jews descend from Jews whether or not there was a historical conversion in history books that suggest otherwise. The fact that Josephus knew where the lost tribes of Israel were would explain why Jews from this area would try to migrate to this place as well.

As a result, it would seem they have a pretty close connection to the identity of Gog and Magog according to their own historians, and are not likely to play the innocent party when all is said and done. This should seem like an obvious thing when you consider that they are basically the ones who are actively promoting a war, but somehow this isn't so obvious for everyone.

If Livingstone's premise is true, then things get rather interesting. In other words, we should expect the 10 lost tribes to descend on Judah, for a showdown....between brothers....

I can't understand Ezekiel 38/39 apart from Revelation 20. Satan mobilizes Gog and Magog after his release from prison, where he's been confined for 1000yrs. Now, if that is Russia and Iran, (as we are told), are all 3 Nations (Israel aswell) going to remain intact for the next millennium after the second advent? Incidentally, the break up of Russia maybe in the cards,
A Warning on Nationalism
https://souloftheeast.org/2014/03/21/a-warning-on-nationalism/

Again, that is a game-changer for the 'gog and Magog' narrative. So you have the televangelist telling me one thing, while his employer is cooking up something behind the scenes.

 

[cfowen]

And all the miracles, words of knowledge, healings etc since? Would you interpret these as works of satan rather than question your own interpretations?

My interpretation is 100% correct as far as the gifts ceasing in Ac 28:28. However, it's one of those 1000s of questions in the Bible that have no definitive answers. All you can do is pile the yeas on one side of the scale and the nays on the other and see which side is the heaviest. The negative evidence of seeing these fake "gifts" displayed in Charismatic churches was the best proof to me that they are gone and have been totally non-existent for nearly 2000 years. That plus a list of Biblical reasons they are no longer in effect, most of which I've mentioned

About 20 years ago, I spent a year or so going to big charismatic churches in Houston, the Charismatic church capital of the world. I did this to make an elderly aunt that was my second mother, happy. The first fake gifts I really noticed were the tongues. They were so very obviously fake. They had NOTHING in common with Biblical tongues. I heard a lot about other "miracles" but, even though I was in a church at least 10 hours a week, and saw 100s of attempts at things like healings and prophecy, I never saw one case that really was successful or was truly an example of one of the gifts of the Spirit. In those churches, I often experienced a super all-over, feel-good "buzz", a feeling identical to the "buzz" I got with Transcendental Meditation, which I was into some 40 years ago. I found out later that the mantra I was given was the name of a Hindu deity. I was summoning demons to sit with me twice a day. I am convinced that most everyone in those churches feels that "buzz" and, if the truth be told, that's what keeps them there, in all that fakery.

Those people in the Charismatic Churches were very Christ-centered but their intense interest in the fake gifts, the magic part, almost ranked as high as Christ. They really did believe in those gifts and, of course, in the BS 2nd indwelling of the Holy Spirit. As far as the power that makes them do all sorts of goofy things like being "slain in the Spirit" or the unintelligible jabbering they call tongues, their "prayer language", I don't know. I don't think they do these things through conscious effort. Something is guiding them. Maybe mass hysteria. Maybe demons. What they believe and do certainly isn't Biblical.

I've always thought that the hope of our being resurrected far above all heavens, where Christ now sits at the right hand of God, as is very plainly described in Paul's post-Acts epistles, really made Satan mad, because, far above all Heavens is where Satan always aspired to be, but was never allowed to. So, I think he has tried to prevent anyone else from going there. One of his methods is to keep saved people in the book of Acts, which has absolutely nothing to do with the Gentile church of today. There are 2 main fake attractions in Acts that Satan uses to keep people in Acts, the Gifts and the Rapture, neither of which have been available to anyone for 1950 years. For the rapture, 200 years ago, Satan gave this lying dream to a young Scottish girl, where Christ would meet all the saints, living or dead, and transport them all to Heaven. I'm not sure about all that, but the result is that that's exactly what the non-Biblical rapture cult believes. Almost every church member and every denominational preacher buys into that garbage. First of all, the misinterpreted rapture (hate that word) comes from Paul's Acts books and nobody during Acts, or before, ever had a hope of going to Heaven. So, Satan has done a marvelous job of sensationalizing the fake rapture and fake gifts, to keep people out of the only scripture for today, the 7 after Acts books written by Paul, the only books in the Bible that contain a hope of Heaven.

In 2Tim 2:15, it says you will be approved unto God if you rightly divide God''s word. His reason for saying that is that, if you do rightly divide, everything that's Israel, none of which applies to you today, that has been non-existent for nearly 2000 years, will be eliminated from your doctrine. God wants you to understand His word, and He knows you can't understand His word if you believe any of this non-existent Jewish stuff is truth for today. Therefore, I don't think He will give you the eyes to see the truth in Eph, Col, etc., until you get rid of all the dead Jewish baggage so loved by about 98% of Christendom. He gave you right division to cut straight through scripture and toss everything given to Israel in the trash can. If you do that, the only books left will be Paul's post-Acts books written ONLY to us Gentiles. If you do that, you will go to Heaven and God will approve you. If you don't do that, you probably will stay in the grave for 1800 years, be resurrected into the White Throne Judgement and spend eternity on earth, which will be run by Israel. Your choice.

 

[cfowen]

If you do a survey among saved Christians, asking them, "Who is your Apostle?", virtually none of them will give the only correct answer - Paul - even though inspired scripture says this several times, and no other person in the Bible is said to be a minister or apostle or a teacher or a preacher, to the Gentiles, not even our Lord Jesus Christ.
Rom 11:13
For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
1Tim 2:7
Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.
2Tim 1:11
Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.

Usually, the first question my son asks Christians, often denominational preachers, that he is in discussion with, is, "Who is your Apostle?" Invariably, they ALL, with no exceptions, start stammering and some, eventually, say Jesus Christ, who was definitely an apostle, Heb 3:1, but only to Israel. No mention in scripture of Him ever being either a minister or an apostle to the Gentiles. In Mt 15:24, He said to the Gentile woman, "I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel". The word "sent" in the Greek, is apostello. The 12 were never ministers or apostles to Gentiles, except once, when Peter ministered to Cornelius, in Acts 10, the first Gentile admitted to the Acts Church, 8 years after Pentecost, and, at that point in time, except for proselytes, the only Gentile EVER to be admitted into any Israelite program in the entire Bible. Less than 1 microsecond after Acts 28:28 was pronounced by Paul, to the Pharisees in Rome , the first all-Gentile Church was started. Cornelius was the only Gentile any of the 12 ministered to, and the sole purpose of this was to pave the way for Paul's Gentile ministry to be accepted by the other 11. I'm telling you what scripture says and what it doesn't say. When scripture is silent, we must also be silent.

Since Paul's latter epistles, those 7 written after Acts, are so drastically different that the 59 all-Israel books, Paul has been discredited throughout history. This is as bad or worse today as it ever has been. There are all sorts of videos, books, and articles that say Paul was a fraud. These always come about because the authors are totally ignorant, in that they have zero true knowledge of what the NT is all about. Even though the Denominational Church system usually doesn't say Paul was a fraud, they tend to avoid him and, instead, they concentrate on truths only given to Israel. Besides none of those things being given to Gentiles, it is a stupid practice anyway, since Israel hasn't existed for 1950 years, in God's eyes.

So, Paul is the ONLY person we should listen to when it comes to OUR afterlife, OUR hope, OUR calling, OUR rules, and OUR directions. And right division, 2Tim 2:15, restricts what applies directly TO us Gentiles, TODAY, to Paul's post-Acts books. If we want to go to heaven, that's the only place in the Bible where we find that calling.

After getting saved, if YOU want to know about YOU, Paul is the ONLY game in town, but ONLY in his post-Acts epistles - Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1&2Timothy, Titus, and Philemon - Your ONLY Keys to Heaven!!!!!

 

[Kung Fu]

So, Paul is the ONLY person we should listen to when it comes to OUR afterlife, OUR hope, OUR calling, OUR rules, and OUR directions. And right division, 2Tim 2:15, restricts what applies directly TO us Gentiles, TODAY, to Paul's post-Acts books. If we want to go to heaven, that's the only place in the Bible where we find that calling.

After getting saved, if YOU want to know about YOU, Paul is the ONLY game in town, but ONLY in his post-Acts epistles - Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1&2Timothy, Titus, and Philemon - Your ONLY Keys to Heaven!!!!!

Thanks for admitting that Paul is more important to your salvation than what Jesus has to say. Paulinites I tell you lol.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Thanks for admitting that Paul is more important to your salvation than what Jesus has to say. Paulinites I tell you lol.

1 Corinthians 3

1And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. 2I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.3For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? 4For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?

5Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. 8Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour. 9For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building

 

[cfowen]

Thanks for admitting that Paul is more important to your salvation than what Jesus has to say. Paulinites I tell you lol.

I know nothing that Jesus Christ said that could get any Gentile saved today. What John said about Jesus Christ in his gospel can get you saved, though.

I wasn't talking about salvation. I was talking about our calling of going to Heaven. Christ never mentioned that. No one EVER mentioned that except Paul. No one knew about it except Paul

I"m thinking about not answering anybody that uses the extremely disrespectful term "Jesus"

James,the brother of our Lord Jesus Christ, who surely called Him "Jesus" all his life, didn't do it once in his book. He said "Lord Jesus Christ" 2 times and "Lord" 11 times. That is smoking gun proof that "Jesus" is disrespecful!!!!!!!

Ignorance is bliss, isn't it?

 

[Kung Fu]

Ignorance is bliss, isn't it?

You're replying to me now lol? If you are maybe you can reply to the several questions I have asked you in other threads because all I got at the time were crickets and tumbleweed.

 

[cfowen]

You're replying to me now lol? If you are maybe you can reply to the several questions I have asked you in other threads because all I got at the time were crickets and tumbleweed.

That would be a waste of my time.
Just bask in your bliss.

 

[rainerann]

If Israel is the first one to release the mark of the beast, what does that make Israel?

Israel Set To Become First Nation To Be Fully RFID Chipped
"Several years ago, Israel unveiled plans to gather and collect biometric information on all of its citizens. Proposing that it wants to use the system to help “protect citizens” from identify theft and more, all citizens are being encouraged to get involved in the central biometric database. The pilot program asked citizens to voluntarily hand over a scan of their faces and fingerprints. Once the information scanned gets stored in the system, it would then become available to the military, police, and security forces, without them having to get a court order. "
https://pressfortruth.ca/top-stories/israel-set-become-first-nation-be-fully-rfid-chipped/

 

[Unknown Warrior]

The devil, Satan and his hordes of demons have a supernatural power and can manipulate and animate physical objects and people who do their will whether or not they are intentionally following Satan or just following a new age spiritualism or any other type of reigious beliefs. If it was not for The Holy Spirit of God that limits Satan and the demons from creating chaos and causing millions of people to do ungodly things, Satan would be in total control of the entire earth. The Holy Spirit is restraining Satan, but there will come a time very soon when Satan will have a free reign over the earth and it will be full of evil and darkness. I am sure that Satan has influenced many of the world leaders and people that are controlling the world from behind the scenes. The illuminati and all the new age organizations have been paving the way for the antichrist to step in and completely dominte the world. He will come into power as a savior and promise to lead the world into peace and prosperity. But his ultimate goal is to be worshipped as God. He does not have to rely on technology because he will be capable of performing miraculous acts. Only through God`s mercy on us are we able to stand against the devil and those who reject God will have no defense at all against the antichrist and his empire. If people only knew of the evil that is going on, they would be terrified. Those of us who are believers are aware of the evil that awaits the entire world, but most people will be taken by surprise and will realize that their worst nightmares have come true.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

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You may find Zev Porat's story interesting if you have time...

...and his observations on the Talmud and Zohar interesting even if you don't!!!