Who is Michael the Archangel?

[TokiEl]

@TokiEl

But the Holy Spirit calls God the Father, "Abba Father" in Galatians 4:6. Doesn't that qualify Him as the Son of God too?

Absolutely not.

The Holy spirit makes our spirits cry out Abba Father.

 

[phipps]

Absolutely not.

The Holy spirit makes our spirits cry out Abba Father.

The verse I posted is from NKJV but the KJV is similar. The Holy Spirit calls God the Father, Father. This goes hand in hand with Romans 8:26-28 which says the Holy Spirit prays for us and intercedes for us according to God's will.

But my point is Jesus' name is not given to Him because God begot Him. Matthew 1:21 says, "And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.”

None of the other names given to Him in the New Testament either are about because God begot Him.

Matthew 1:23, “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.”

Revelation 19:13, "He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God."

I'm tired now, bye for now.

 

[TokiEl]

But my point is Jesus' name is not given to Him because God begot Him. Matthew 1:21 says, "And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.”

How about curbing the urge to talk a lot about things you don't understand and so confuse people ?

 

[phipps]

How about curbing the urge to talk a lot about things you don't understand and so confuse people ?

I will clarify here too that I don't think nor has it ever been written of in the Bible that the Holy Spirit is the Son of God. Jesus' name was given to Him because of His saving us from sin.

 

[phipps]

Michael the Archangel can not be a created being.

In Revelation 12:7 the name Michael means "who is like God."

There are a handful of times that Michael is mentioned in the Bible. In three of those, Michael is referenced as "a prince" (Daniel 10:13, 21, 12:1). Christ is called the "Prince of Peace" (Isaiah 9:6) and the "Prince of Life" (Acts 3:15). Michael is also identified as "the Archangel" in Jude 9.

In the original Greek, "archangel" has various definitions, one of which is "ruler of the angels." In describing the Second Coming, the apostle Paul stated, "The Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel"(1Thessalonians 4:16). Christ has an Archangel's voice; Christ the Archangel!

But even more fascinating is the reason why Christ is called Michael. Every time Michael appears in the Bible, He is depicted as protecting His people from their enemies. In Jude 9, Michael is "contending with the devil" over "the body of Moses."

In Daniel 12:1, Michael "stands watch over the sons of [Daniel's] people." Michael is a depiction of Christ in the times when He defends you from the forces of evil. And this is the Christ we see in Revelation 12; it was Christ-- God the Son--who defeated the devil and his angels, evicting them from the heavenly kingdom.

 

[A Freeman]

Who is The Great Prince Michael, God's Anointed One (The Messiah/Christ)?

The name Micha-EL is Hebrew and means “Who is LIKE God?” The Great Prince Michael – God's Anointed One, The Messiah, Christ.

gibraltar-messenger.net

 

[phipps]

Similar wording used in both passages.

Daniel 12:1, "And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt."

John 5:25, 29, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. ... And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation."

 

[phipps]

@Maldarker, I've most the post to the rightful thread.

I don't agree with what you espoused its not correct michael is an arch angel not another title - angel and GOD (JESUS) are different. Maybe just maybe read the bible without your preconditioned bias. (aka being told what to believe or think) I agree with alot of what you do post however here its just plain wrong. But when you need to sell stuff like ellen white i guess you will twist scripture to fit what you want. Shes nothing but a wolf in sheep's clothing if this is who your listening to.

Ellen White did not write the Bible. The truth Of Michael the Archangel being Jesus Himself is biblical.

You're the one with preconditioned bias and doesn't seem understand the difference between God and angels and what they can and cannot do.

I know I can't convict you of God's truth, only God can. But the truth is Jesus is Michael and He is the one whose voice will raise the dead at the second coming.

Some truths in the Bible are not explicit. We have to come to them through the Holy Spirit so I'll pray that God reveals His truth to you on this subject because it is truth of God not any human being including Ellen White, God!

My truth is from God not man so please stop patronising me like the other poster who thinks everything I post is based on Adventism and Ellen White. I have not read most of her books btw. Its the reason I permanently blocked her. She has nothing positive to say to me. Just a misery guts to me. As long as I post it she will go the opposite direction in most things whether its truth or not. Be careful not to follow her example and test everything that is posted here by God's Word as the Bible tells us to.

I have introduced a few biblical subjects here that most Christians had never heard of like the heavenly sanctuary, the law not being abolished, perfection according to the Bible, probation and this subject of Michael the Archangel. Just because you don't know about it doesn't make it wrong. And the truth is not based on how many people believe it. Most Christians don't believe most of those subjects yet they are entirely biblical.

Now are you sure beyond a reasonable doubt that I am wrong on this subject? Be careful not to reject God''s truth. Please study it more. It takes more than just a few hours to be convinced with God's truth most times.

God bless.

 

[Maldarker]

@Maldarker, I've most teh subject to the righful thread.


Ellen White did not write the Bible. The truth Of Michael the Archangel being Jesus Himself is biblical.

You're the one with preconditioned bias and doesn't seem understand the difference between God and angels and what they can and cannot do.

I know I can't convict you of God's truth, only God can. But the truth is Jesus is Michael and He is the one whose voice will raise the dead at the second coming.

Some truths in the Bible are not explicit. We have to come to them through the Holy Spirit so I'll pray that God reveals His truth to you on this subject because it is truth of God not any human being including Ellen White, God!

My truth is from God not man so please stop patronising me like the other poster who thinks everything I post is based on Adventism and Ellen White. I have not read most of her books btw. Its the reason I permanently blocked her. She has nothing positive to say to me. Just a misery guts to me. As long as I post it she will go the opposite direction inmost things whether its truth or not. Be careful not to follow her example and test everything that is posted here by God's Word as the Bible tells us to.

I have introduced a few biblical subjects here that most Christians had never heard of like the heavenly sanctuary, the law not being abolished, perfection according to the Bible, probation and this subject of Michael the Archangel. Just because you don't know about it doesn't make it wrong. And the truth is not based on how many people believe it. Most Christians don't believe most of those subjects yet they are entirely biblical.

Now are you sure beyond a reasonable doubt that I am wrong on this subject? Be careful not to reject God''s truth. Please study it more. It takes more than just a few hours to be convinced with God's truth most times.

God bless.

Fair enough and well said. Like i said i agree more then not but idk about this michael thing just doesn't sit right even after praying about it... It remits back to jehovah witness debates i have had them think JESUS was created and not GOD in flesh. So if you are of the same mind as that then no thank you! But i guess to me the first base foundation would be if you agree that JESUS is GOD in flesh then we have a starting point and the other stuff can be fine tooth combed but if you don't believe that then whats the point right?

 

[phipps]

Fair enough and well said. Like i said i agree more then not but idk about this michael thing just doesn't sit right even after praying about it... It remits back to jehovah witness debates i have had them think JESUS was created and not GOD in flesh. So if you are of the same mind as that then no thank you! But i guess to me the first base foundation would be if you agree that JESUS is GOD in flesh then we have a starting point and the other stuff can be fine tooth combed but if you don't believe that then whats the point right?

I have debated with Jehovah witnesses too. The problem is they have their own Bible where they took out a lot of scripture that would prove Jesus is God.

You already know I believe Jesus is God. So how can you think I am of the same thought as Jehovah witnesses. The Bible says, "Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men" (Philippians 2:5-7).

Jesus has many titles and roles in the Bible and has always interacted with man. He was one of the angels that visited Abraham, the Angel that fought Jacob, the Commander of the guard that appeared to Joshua, the Angel that was in the burning fire with Daniel's friends during Nebuchadnezzar's reign and plenty more as I posted in this thread.

Jesus became less than an angel when He became flesh to save us yet many Christians have a problem believing He is Michael the Archangel, Michael the Prince and the rest.

God bless.

 

[Maldarker]

I have debated with Jehovah witnesses too. The problem is they have their own Bible where the took out a lot of scripture that would prove Jesus is God.

You already know I believe Jesus is God. So how can you think I am of the same though as Jehovah witnesses. The Bible says, "Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men" (Philippians 2:5-7).

Jesus has many titles and roles in the Bible and has always interacted with man. He was one of the angels that visited Abraham, the Angel that fought Jacob, the Commander of the guard that appeared to Joshua, the Angel that was in the burning fire with Daniel's friends during Nebuchadnezzar's reign and plenty more as I posted in this thread.

Jesus became less than an angel when He became flesh to save us yet many Christians have a problem believing He is Michael the Archangel, Michael the Prince and the rest.

God bless.

Have to ask and honestly couldn't remember if we ever had that discussion - i remember a lot but not without fault on some things so and yup they remove a lot from the book of theirs so there is that. (don't add or subtract but that doesn't seem to phase them)

So angel of the LORD is CHRIST and michael? Is the next question.

 

[phipps]

Have to ask and honestly couldn't remember if we ever had that discussion - i remember a lot but not without fault on some things so and yup they remove a lot from the book of theirs so there is that. (don't add or subtract but that doesn't seem to phase them)

So angel of the LORD is CHRIST and michael? Is the next question.

Michael the Archangel is Jesus Christ Himself. He is the ruler of the angels in another role. Study it prayerfully though. God will reveal the truth about this subject to you according to His will.

Bye for now.