Who do Muslims really worship?

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The earliest known pig deity is the Sumerian goddess Ninsun. She was the mother of the hero Gilgamesh, and was often depicted as a pig. Ninsun was associated with fertility, agriculture, and healing. She was also a protector of pigs, and her worship was often associated with pig sacrifices.

Here are some other pig deities:

  • The Egyptian god Bes was often depicted as a pig or a dwarf with a pig's head. He was a protector of children and families, and was also associated with fertility and childbirth.
  • The Greek god Dionysus was sometimes depicted as a pig. He was the god of wine, festivity, and madness.
  • The Roman god Bacchus was the equivalent of the Greek god Dionysus. He was also sometimes depicted as a pig.
  • The Norse god Freyr was associated with pigs. He was the god of fertility, peace, and prosperity.
  • The Chinese god Zhu Bajie was a pig demon who was eventually converted to Buddhism. He is now a popular figure in Chinese mythology and folklore.
Pigs have been associated with fertility and abundance in many cultures throughout history. This is likely due to the fact that pigs are prolific breeders and can produce a large number of offspring in a short period of time. Pigs are also omnivores and can eat a wide variety of food, which makes them well-suited to survive in a variety of environments. As a result, pigs have been a valuable source of food and income for many cultures.
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Makes me think..

is it due to the fact that pigs are being worshipped, Prophet Mohammed pbuh has forbidden them???

It is clear that not many scholars or priests or imams will have seen this link...it is thanks to the net that i can see the link.

BTW Gilgamesh is NOAH...Ninsun is NOAHS mum.....

In Islam, pigs are considered to be unclean (haram) animals. This is based on a number of verses in the Quran, including:

Quran 2:173
He has forbidden you only carrion, blood, the flesh of swine, and that which has been dedicated to other than Allah. But whoever is forced [by necessity], neither desiring [it] nor transgressing [its limit], there is no sin upon him. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
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Quran 6:145
Say, " I do not find in what has been revealed to me anything forbidden to one who would eat it unless it is dead or blood spilled out or the flesh of swine - for indeed, it is impure - or any sin committed in disobedience to Allah. " But whoever is forced [by necessity], neither desiring [it] nor transgressing [its limit], there is no sin upon him. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
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In addition to these verses, the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) also spoke out against the consumption of pork. In a hadith, he said:

" The one who drinks the milk of a pig or eats its flesh will not enter Paradise. " (Sahih Muslim)
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As a result of these religious restrictions, Muslims are not allowed to eat pork or any products that contain pork, such as gelatin or lard. This can sometimes be challenging, as pork is a common ingredient in many non-Muslim cultures. However, Muslims believe that it is important to follow the teachings of Islam, even when it is difficult.

There are a number of reasons why Islam prohibits the consumption of pork. One reason is that pigs are scavengers and will eat anything, including garbage and waste. This makes them susceptible to diseases that can be transmitted to humans. Another reason is that pigs are not ruminants, which means that they do not chew their cud. This makes it difficult for them to digest their food, which can lead to the production of toxins. Finally, pigs are considered to be unclean animals in Islam. This is because they are often associated with filth and disease.

The prohibition on the consumption of pork is one of the most important dietary restrictions in Islam. It is a reminder to Muslims of the importance of following the teachings of their religion, even when it is difficult. It is also a way to protect their health and well-being.
 
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Noah's mother is not mentioned in the Bible or the Quran. Some Islamic scholars have suggested that her name was Umzarah bint Barakil, but this is not confirmed. It is possible that she was a woman of no particular importance, as the focus of the stories about Noah is on his own actions and not on his family.

However, it is also possible that Noah's mother was a significant figure in her own right. She may have been a devout woman who raised Noah to be a righteous man. She may have also been a strong and courageous woman who helped Noah to build the ark and to save his family from the flood.

Unfortunately, we will never know for sure who Noah's mother was. But even though her name is not known, her story is still an important one. She is a reminder that even the most ordinary people can play a significant role in the history of the world.
 
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Gilgamesh's mother is Ninsun, a Mesopotamian goddess. She is best known as the mother of the hero Gilgamesh and wife of deified legendary king Lugalbanda, and appears in this role in most versions of the Epic of Gilgamesh. She was associated with Uruk, where she lives in this composition, but she was also worshiped in other cities of ancient Mesopotamia, such as Nippur and Ur, and her main cult center was the settlement KI. KALki.

Ninsun is a powerful and benevolent goddess. She is said to have interceded with the gods on behalf of her son, Gilgamesh, on several occasions. She is also said to have helped Gilgamesh to defeat the monster Humbaba.

Ninsun is a complex and fascinating character. She is a powerful goddess, but she is also a loving mother. She is a force for good in the world, but she is also capable of great anger. She is a symbol of strength, compassion, and wisdom.

Here are some of the things that Ninsun did for Gilgamesh:

  • She interpreted Gilgamesh's dreams, which foretold the arrival of Enkidu and the eventual development of a strong bond between them.
  • She adopted Enkidu as her son, and Gilgamesh left instructions for the governance of Uruk in his absence.
  • She prayed to the gods for Gilgamesh's safety during his journey to the Cedar Forest.
  • She helped Gilgamesh to defeat the monster Humbaba.
  • She mourned the death of Enkidu.
  • She helped Gilgamesh to find meaning in life after Enkidu's death.
Ninsun is a powerful and important figure in the Epic of Gilgamesh. She is a reminder that even the gods can be flawed and that even the strongest people can suffer loss. She is also a reminder that love, compassion, and wisdom are the most important qualities that any person can possess.
 
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There are some similarities between the Epic of Gilgamesh and the story of Noah in the Bible. Both stories tell of a great flood that wipes out most of humanity, but two people are saved by building a boat. In the Epic of Gilgamesh, the hero Gilgamesh builds a boat with the help of his friend Enkidu. In the Bible, Noah builds a boat with the help of his sons.

In both stories, the flood is a punishment from the gods for the wickedness of humanity. In the Epic of Gilgamesh, the gods are angry with the people of Uruk for their violence and their lack of respect for the gods. In the Bible, the gods are angry with humanity for their wickedness and their violence.

In both stories, the survivors of the flood are able to repopulate the Earth. In the Epic of Gilgamesh, Gilgamesh and his wife are the only humans left alive after the flood. In the Bible, Noah and his family are the only humans left alive after the flood.

There are also some differences between the two stories. In the Epic of Gilgamesh, the flood is a natural disaster, while in the Bible, the flood is a punishment from God. In the Epic of Gilgamesh, Gilgamesh is a flawed hero who is trying to find meaning in life. In the Bible, Noah is a righteous man who is chosen by God to save humanity.

Despite the differences, the similarities between the Epic of Gilgamesh and the story of Noah suggest that they may have a common origin. It is possible that the Epic of Gilgamesh was based on an earlier story of a flood that was later adopted by the Israelites and incorporated into the Bible.

It is also possible that the two stories are independent of each other, but that they share some common themes and motifs. The story of a great flood is a common theme in mythology, and it is possible that both the Epic of Gilgamesh and the story of Noah were influenced by earlier flood stories.

Ultimately, the question of whether or not there is a link between Gilgamesh and Noah is a matter of speculation. There is no definitive evidence to prove or disprove the existence of such a link. However, the similarities between the two stories suggest that they may be related in some way.
 
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Mohammed_123 said:
There are some similarities between the Epic of Gilgamesh and the story of Noah in the Bible. Both stories tell of a great flood that wipes out most of humanity, but two people are saved by building a boat. In the Epic of Gilgamesh, the hero Gilgamesh builds a boat with the help of his friend Enkidu. In the Bible, Noah builds a boat with the help of his sons.

In both stories, the flood is a punishment from the gods for the wickedness of humanity. In the Epic of Gilgamesh, the gods are angry with the people of Uruk for their violence and their lack of respect for the gods. In the Bible, the gods are angry with humanity for their wickedness and their violence.

In both stories, the survivors of the flood are able to repopulate the Earth. In the Epic of Gilgamesh, Gilgamesh and his wife are the only humans left alive after the flood. In the Bible, Noah and his family are the only humans left alive after the flood.

There are also some differences between the two stories. In the Epic of Gilgamesh, the flood is a natural disaster, while in the Bible, the flood is a punishment from God. In the Epic of Gilgamesh, Gilgamesh is a flawed hero who is trying to find meaning in life. In the Bible, Noah is a righteous man who is chosen by God to save humanity.

Despite the differences, the similarities between the Epic of Gilgamesh and the story of Noah suggest that they may have a common origin. It is possible that the Epic of Gilgamesh was based on an earlier story of a flood that was later adopted by the Israelites and incorporated into the Bible.

It is also possible that the two stories are independent of each other, but that they share some common themes and motifs. The story of a great flood is a common theme in mythology, and it is possible that both the Epic of Gilgamesh and the story of Noah were influenced by earlier flood stories.

Ultimately, the question of whether or not there is a link between Gilgamesh and Noah is a matter of speculation. There is no definitive evidence to prove or disprove the existence of such a link. However, the similarities between the two stories suggest that they may be related in some way.
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there are flood myths throughout the world...its not unique to proto mesopotamia
 
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Does the BIBLE mentions BULLS?
Yes, the Bible mentions bulls in many places. Bulls were often used as sacrifices in the Old Testament, and they were also seen as symbols of strength, power, and virility. In the New Testament, Jesus is often compared to a bull, and his sacrifice on the cross is seen as a fulfillment of the Old Testament sacrificial system.

Here are some specific examples of bulls in the Bible:

  • In Exodus 29:1-14, Moses is instructed to build an altar and offer sacrifices to God. These sacrifices include bulls, rams, lambs, and goats.
  • In Leviticus 1:1-17, God gives Moses more detailed instructions on how to offer sacrifices. These instructions again include bulls as one of the animals that can be sacrificed.
  • In Numbers 1:1-47, God tells Moses to count the Israelites and to assign them to their tribes. Each tribe is then responsible for providing a bull as a sacrifice.
  • In Deuteronomy 12:1-7, God tells the Israelites how to worship Him after they enter the Promised Land. This includes instructions on how to offer sacrifices, including bulls.
  • In 1 Samuel 1:24-28, Hannah sacrifices a three-year-old bull after God gives her a son, Samuel.
  • In Psalm 22:12, David compares himself to a bull that is being led to slaughter.
  • In Psalm 68:30, the psalmist describes God as a mighty bull who will defeat his enemies.
  • In Isaiah 66:3, God says that He will provide a feast for His people, including bulls, rams, and lambs.
  • In Revelation 5:6-14, John sees a vision of the Lamb of God, who is slain and whose blood is used to purchase the salvation of His people.
As you can see, bulls are mentioned throughout the Bible. They were often used as sacrifices, and they were also seen as symbols of strength, power, and virility. In the New Testament, Jesus is often compared to a bull, and his sacrifice on the cross is seen as a fulfillment of the Old Testament sacrificial system.



Does the BIBLE mention CRANES?
Yes, the Bible mentions cranes twice. The first mention is in Isaiah 38:14, where the prophet Hezekiah compares his own voice to the sound of a crane:

Like a crane or a swallow, so did I chatter: I did mourn as a dove: mine eyes fail with looking upward: O LORD, I am oppressed; undertake for me.
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The second mention is in Jeremiah 8:7, where the prophet Jeremiah compares the Israelites to cranes who do not know the time of their coming:

Yea, the stork in the heaven knoweth her appointed times; and the turtle and the crane and the swallow observe the time of their coming; but my people know not the judgment of the LORD.
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In both of these passages, the crane is used as a symbol of something that is lost or forgotten. In Isaiah, Hezekiah is lamenting his own death, and he compares his voice to the sound of a crane, which is a bird that is often heard in the marshes and swamps. In Jeremiah, the prophet is comparing the Israelites to cranes, who do not know the time of their coming. This is a reference to the fact that the Israelites had forgotten God and His laws, and they were about to be punished for their disobedience.

The crane is also mentioned in other ancient Near Eastern texts. In the Epic of Gilgamesh, for example, the hero Gilgamesh is compared to a crane. This is because cranes are known for their long necks and their ability to see long distances. Gilgamesh is also known for his long neck and his ability to see long distances, and so he is compared to a crane.

The crane is a powerful symbol in the Bible. It is a symbol of something that is lost or forgotten, but it is also a symbol of hope. The crane is a migratory bird, and it always returns to its home. This suggests that the Israelites will one day return to God and His laws.

BULL = MALE DIETY
CRANE = FEMALE DIETY
(See Gobliki tepe)
 
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Bull and Crane mentioned in the same verse , in the Bible....

  • In Isaiah 66:3, God says that He will provide a feast for His people, including bulls, rams, and lambs.
the Bible mentions cranes twice. The first mention is in Isaiah 38:14, where the prophet Hezekiah compares his own voice to the sound of a crane
 
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Mohammed_123 said:
Bull and Crane mentioned in the same verse , in the Bible....

  • In Isaiah 66:3, God says that He will provide a feast for His people, including bulls, rams, and lambs.
the Bible mentions cranes twice. The first mention is in Isaiah 38:14, where the prophet Hezekiah compares his own voice to the sound of a crane
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work it out guys....66.3 + 38.14

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104.44

The number 144 is a significant number in the Bible. It is mentioned in several places, and it is often associated with God's people. In Revelation 7:4, for example, it is said that 144,000 people from all tribes of Israel will be sealed by God. These people will be saved and will live with God in heaven.

The number 144 is also significant because it is a multiple of 12. The number 12 is often used in the Bible to represent God's perfect rule through human agency. For example, there are 12 tribes of Israel, 12 apostles, and 12 gates in the New Jerusalem.

The number 144, therefore, represents God's perfect rule through his people. It is a reminder that God is in control and that he will save his people.

Here are some of the Bible verses that mention the number 144:

  • Revelation 7:4 - "And I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of the sons of Israel."
  • Revelation 14:1-5 - "Then I looked, and behold, a Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father's name written on their foreheads. And I heard a voice from heaven like the sound of many waters and like the sound of a great peal of thunder. And the voice that I heard was like the sound of harpists playing on their harps, and they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and before the elders. No one could learn that song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. These are the ones who did not defile themselves with women, for they are virgins. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever he goes. These were redeemed from among men, being first fruits to God and to the Lamb. In their mouth was found no lie, for they are blameless."
The Bible code 144 is a fascinating topic that has been the subject of much debate. Some people believe that it is a prophecy that will be fulfilled in the future, while others believe that it is simply a coincidence. Ultimately, the meaning of the Bible code 144 is up to the individual to decide.
 
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I am asking this question again....as it has me thinking,..

is it due to the fact that pigs are being worshipped, Prophet Mohammed pbuh has forbidden them???
 
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is there a link between samhain and pigs?


Yes, there is a strong link between Samhain and pigs. In Celtic cultures, pigs were associated with the Otherworld, the realm of the dead. They were also seen as symbols of fertility and abundance. As a result, pigs were often sacrificed at Samhain, and their meat was eaten as part of the festival feasts.
There are a number of reasons why pigs came to be associated with Samhain. One reason is that pigs were often fattened up for slaughter at the end of the harvest season, which coincided with Samhain. This made them a symbol of abundance and prosperity. Additionally, pigs were seen as being able to travel between the worlds of the living and the dead. This made them a fitting sacrifice at Samhain, when the boundaries between the two worlds were believed to be at their most porous.
The association between Samhain and pigs can still be seen in some modern Halloween traditions. For example, many people carve jack-o'-lanterns out of pumpkins, which are a type of squash that is closely related to the pig. Additionally, some people still eat pork on Halloween, as a way of honoring the ancient tradition of sacrificing pigs at Samhain.
Here are some specific examples of the link between Samhain and pigs:
  • In Irish mythology, the god Dagda had a magic pig named Mac Dathó's Pig. This pig was so large that it could feed an entire army. It was also said that the pig could never be fully eaten, as any meat that was cut off would regenerate.
  • In Scottish tradition, there is a story about a giant wild boar who was said to roam the land at Samhain. This boar was said to be so fierce that it could kill with a single blow.
  • In some parts of Ireland, it was traditional to light a "bone fire" at Samhain. These fires were made from the bones of pigs that had been sacrificed at the festival. The fires were believed to help to ward off evil spirits and to protect the community from harm.
The link between Samhain and pigs is a fascinating example of how ancient traditions can continue to influence our culture today. Even though we may not realize it, the pig is still a symbol of Samhain in many ways.
 
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is there a link between the ancient egyptians and pigs?


Yes, there is a link between the ancient Egyptians and pigs. Pigs were domesticated in Egypt as early as the Predynastic period, and they were a common sight in the countryside. They were used for meat, fat, and their hides, and they were also used to help with agricultural tasks.
However, pigs also had a complex symbolic meaning in ancient Egypt. On the one hand, they were associated with the god Seth, who was the god of chaos and disorder. Seth was often depicted as a pig, and pigs were sometimes sacrificed to him.
On the other hand, pigs were also associated with the goddess Nut, who was the sky goddess. Nut was often depicted as a sow, and pigs were sometimes used in fertility rituals.
This dual symbolism of pigs in ancient Egypt reflects the fact that they were seen as both impure and sacred creatures. They were associated with the underworld, but they were also associated with fertility and abundance.
Here are some of the ways in which pigs were associated with different aspects of Egyptian culture:
  • Agriculture: Pigs were used to help with agricultural tasks, such as treading in grain and clearing land. They were also seen as a symbol of fertility, as they were often associated with the goddess Nut, who was the sky goddess and the mother of all the gods.
  • Religion: Pigs were associated with the god Seth, who was the god of chaos and disorder. Seth was often depicted as a pig, and pigs were sometimes sacrificed to him. However, pigs were also associated with the goddess Nut, who was the sky goddess. Nut was often depicted as a sow, and pigs were sometimes used in fertility rituals.
  • Medicine: Pigs were used in medicine, as their fat and other parts were believed to have healing properties. For example, pig's fat was used to treat burns, and pig's teeth were used to treat toothache.
  • Magic: Pigs were also used in magic, as their bones and other parts were believed to have magical powers. For example, pig's bones were used to make amulets that were believed to protect against evil spirits.
Overall, pigs played an important role in ancient Egyptian culture. They were used for food, agriculture, medicine, and magic. They were also associated with both positive and negative aspects of Egyptian life.
 
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