Who Changed the Sabbath day from Saturday to Sunday?

[Clout]

..The American constitution protects all their citizens' freedom of conscience and makes clear that the government should stay out of anything to do with religious matters because that is personal to everyone..

Obama fllooded the USA with muslims in violation of these verses, I wonder if God approves of that?..-
"Do not yoke yourself with unbelievers, for what do light and darkness have in common?" (2 Cor 6:14)
"Do not let unbelievers into your house or bid them God speed" (2 John 1:10 KJV)


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Don of course talks good sense as usual..-

 

[phipps]

 

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[Clout]

God certainly wants us to take off at least one day a week to let our spiritual batteries recharge, but does he really think it's important whether the sabbath is a saturday or sunday or any other day?
After all, if medical workers all took sundays off, who'd look after the patients?
Likewise if nuclear power plant workers all took the same day off, who'd keep watch on the nuclear core?
The same applies to many other places that need staffing 24/7.

 

[A Freeman]

God certainly wants us to take off at least one day a week to let our spiritual batteries recharge, but does he really think it's important whether the sabbath is a saturday or sunday or any other day?

Exodus 20:8-11
20:8 REMEMBER the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. [It is NOT wrong to do GOOD deeds on the Sabbath. The Sabbath was made for man. Man was not made for the Sabbath.]
20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
20:10 But THE SEVENTH DAY [IS] THE SABBATH OF THE "I AM" thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates:
20:11 For [in] six days the "I AM" made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the "I AM" blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Exodus 31:13-17
31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily My Sabbaths ye SHALL keep: for it [is] a "Sign" between Me and you throughout your generations; that [ye] may know that I [am] the "I AM" that doth sanctify you.
31:14 Ye shall keep the Sabbath therefore; for it [is] holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall SURELY be put to death: for whosoever doeth [any] work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh [is] the Sabbath of rest, holy to the "I AM": whosoever doeth [any] work in the Sabbath day, he shall SURELY be put to death.
31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations, [for] a perpetual Covenant.
31:17 It [is] a "Sign" between Me and the children of Israel for ever: for [in] six days the "I AM" made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day He rested, and was refreshed.

After all, if medical workers all took sundays off, who'd look after the patients?

The only reason we have medical workers and hospitals is because we haven't kept The Law that God gave us, including remembering the Sabbath day to keep it holy and relying on God to heal us instead of witch doctors.

Exodus 15:26 And said, IF thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the "I AM" thy God, and wilt DO that which is right in His eyes, and wilt give ear to His Commandments, and keep all His Statutes, I will put NONE of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I [am] the "I AM" that healeth thee.

Likewise if nuclear power plant workers all took the same day off, who'd keep watch on the nuclear core?
The same applies to many other places that need staffing 24/7.

Do we NEED nuclear power plants? Do we NEED to staff places on Saturday, the Sabbath Day?

Do you not see how satanic it is to foolishly claim we allegedly need to break the Sabbath, when God has plainly stated that anyone who continues to do such things will surely be put to death? It's a shame that so many place man-made obstacles and requirements above God.

 

[Clout]

It is NOT wrong to do GOOD deeds on the Sabbath. The Sabbath was made for man. Man was not made for the Sabbath.
Do we NEED nuclear power plants? Do we NEED to staff places on Saturday, the Sabbath Day?
Do you not see how satanic it is to foolishly claim we allegedly need to break the Sabbath, when God has plainly stated that anyone who continues to do such things will surely be put to death?

1- Doing good deeds on the Sabbath is fine, but where is the line drawn between good deeds and work?
For example if a doctor or paramedic gets an urgent call to go tend a patient, is that classed as a good deed or work?
2- Anyway, when exactly IS the sabbath, saturday or sunday or any other day?
3- In 'Chariots of Fire' the christian Eric Liddle gently reprimands a couple of boys for kicking a football around on the sabbath, and later he refuses to run his Olympic race on a sunday, would God approve of him taking that view?

 

[phipps]

God certainly wants us to take off at least one day a week to let our spiritual batteries recharge, but does he really think it's important whether the sabbath is a saturday or sunday or any other day?
After all, if medical workers all took sundays off, who'd look after the patients?
Likewise if nuclear power plant workers all took the same day off, who'd keep watch on the nuclear core?
The same applies to many other places that need staffing 24/7.

The day matters. From the creation week God blessed and sanctified the seventh day not the first, second third etc. Only the seventh day.

“Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made” (Genesis 2:1-3).

God gave us the seventh day Sabbath so we could rest, take a day off from our work and day-to-day stresses to focus on Him, and enjoy the world He created.

The Sabbath also points to God as Creator of this world.

As you know the fourth commandment reminds us how important the Sabbath is and how it should be kept (Exodus 20:8-10).

The Sabbath is holy because God made it so. We don't get to pick which day is holy, only the Creator of this universe does.

A lot people don't have jobs where they have to work on the Sabbath. If we have jobs where people rely on us (like hospitals), then we can choose to work in only emergencies and not get paid on the Sabbath. I would suggest that if any Christian finds themselves in a position where their job is making it hard to rest on the Sabbath, they first have to pray about it and trust God. I know many testimonies where God has performed miracles and people did not have to work or even do exams on the Sabbath.

For those who are searching for jobs, pray to God while you also try to find jobs where you don't have to compromise your faith. We can do anything in Christ Jesus if we believe and trust Him.

 

[Clout]

...God gave us the seventh day Sabbath so we could rest, take a day off from our work and day-to-day stresses to focus on Him, and enjoy the world He created.

Yes but when exactly IS the seventh day, the jews say saturday but christians say sunday, so which of them is correct?

 

[phipps]

What Counts as “Work” on the Sabbath?

God designed the Sabbath day to be a 24-hour period when we could pause and enjoy the goodness of His creation. We do this by putting aside our regular work so we can focus on spending time with Him and appreciating what He’s created (Exodus 20:8-11).

That may sound simple enough. But it gets blurrier when we think about how things are today.

Jobs are more diverse and advanced. Work schedules cover hours around the clock, and many people take work home or even work at home. So many things are automated. Not all jobs are physically strenuous. And some things that used to be considered work (fishing, sewing, gardening, caring for animals, hiking, cooking, etc.) are now things some of us do for fun when we have a little time to ourselves.

So how can we tell which kinds of things count (or don’t count) as “work” when it comes to keeping the Sabbath holy?

Well, there’s a reason the fourth commandment didn’t include a checklist. The real way to answer this question lies in a deeper understanding of what it truly means to keep the Sabbath—which God made for us (Mark 2:27).

So let’s look to Scripture and see what we can find.

Why do some Sabbath keepers work on Sabbath?

Sabbath keepers might work on Sabbath if they feel their work must be done for the sake of others (or for the simple fact that their line of work is essential, and can’t stop on any day of the week).

This is often the case for doctors, nurses, caregivers, emergency workers, police, firefighters etc.

There are even some occupations Sabbath keepers hold that take place on the Sabbath with the purpose of helping others honour the Sabbath day.

That’s right—we’re talking about pastors and church personnel who serve congregations of Sabbath-keepers on Sabbath.

Even in Bible times, the Israelites knew there were certain types of work that had to be done—even on the Sabbath.

In a perfect world, all would be able to experience each Sabbath to the fullest. But regardless of what day it was, they still needed to feed their animals, care for their children, and tend to sick members of the community.

This is why the Israelites had to make a distinction between necessary and unnecessary work, or work that needed to be done every day versus work that didn’t need to take place on the Sabbath.

But keep in mind that the real key to understanding what counts as work on the Sabbath isn’t a matter of simply listing and categorizing certain jobs as “do on Sabbath” or “don’t do on Sabbath.”

Understanding what counts as work on the Sabbath is a matter of coming to God and asking Him to help you apply the principle of the Sabbath to your individual circumstances.

But there are many cases where we can see why some jobs still have to continue being done, no matter the day or time.

How can we determine what counts as work on Sabbath?

Even though the Bible doesn’t give us a categorized list, there are still ways we can determine how “work” is defined in relation to the Sabbath. Here we’ll look at what God and His prophets instructed the Israelites on various occasions, and how the Israelites upheld (or failed to uphold) these instructions.

Types of work that paused on the Sabbath:

Common jobs and trades (Exodus 20:8-10; Jeremiah 17:20-22): Most jobs or careers fall under this category. These are the types of jobs where if the work is done only six out of seven days a week, the results of that labor should still be enough to provide for the community.

Engaging in commerce/buying or selling (Nehemiah 13:15-22): Focusing on making a profit or obtaining material goods is all about furthering one’s own business or status, and it’s counterproductive to pausing to focus on one’s Creator, who made all of this possible to begin with. What’s more, when someone buys from a seller, they require the seller to work, keeping them from experiencing Sabbath rest.

That’s what God had the prophet Nehemiah address with the Israelites when they stopped protecting the Sabbath hours and kept going about their businesses or trading with traveling merchants.

Non-urgent chores or tasks (Exodus 16:22-30; 35:3; Isaiah 58:13-14): Even tasks that aren’t considered a career or a trade were to be stopped on Sabbath, such as gathering food, lighting a fire, or even “talking business” (Isaiah 58:13). These are all things that could reasonably be done before the Sabbath or wait until after.

While many of these jobs were different in ancient Israel’s time than they are today, the principles still apply. There’s nothing wrong with growing your business or maximizing profits or negotiating trades or purchases. God wants us to be good stewards and diligent workers (Genesis 2:15; Ephesians 6:6-8).

The reason these things stop on Sabbath is, again, for our own mental and spiritual health, and for our relationship with God.

But what about the types of jobs that keep going at all hours of every day? How does the fourth commandment, and the blessings of Sabbath, apply to those who have these jobs?

Before we get further into the details, let’s reiterate that praying for God’s guidance in our own unique circumstances is the first step in fully understanding and experiencing Sabbath.

If you’re looking for some tips in determining these things, however, here are some helpful questions you can ask yourself:

We can also ask ourselves why we’re thinking about working on the Sabbath in the first place.

Ask:

- Am I looking for the satisfaction of completing the last item on my to-do list?

- Am I wanting to earn more money or get ahead in my career?

- Am I afraid of losing my job if I don’t work on Sabbath?

- Am I truly seeking to know whether this work or task honours the Sabbath day?

While some of these questions are easy to answer, some of them could require some additional thought and soul-searching. But we can have faith that God will guide us to a solution.

After all, He made the Sabbath for us (Mark 2:27). It’s not supposed to be a near-unattainable feat to keep the Sabbath. And He promises to provide wisdom when we need it (James 1:5).

We can also look through Scripture to see if there are any occasions when followers of God worked on Sabbath in some capacity.

 

[phipps]

Examples in the Bible of work that continued on Sabbath.

The Bible does show a few situations when some types of work would need to be done even if it was Sabbath.

Priests worked in the Tabernacle or temple.
Priests and sanctuary personnel worked on Sabbath to conduct the sanctuary services (Matthew 12:5; Leviticus 23:1-3). Though the priests worked on the Sabbath, they worked to tend to the responsibilities God had given them. They were in charge of maintaining a holy convocation on the Sabbath. They were also responsible for performing the daily services in the temple.

Daily care for livestock.
Though the Israelites did what they could to get non-urgent work out of the way before Sabbath, there were always a few things that had to be done at regular intervals. Livestock, for example, had to be watered every day (Luke 13:15; Matthew 12:11-12).

Responding to emergencies.
There was always the chance of an Israelite stumbling upon a life-threatening emergency on the Sabbath (Matthew 12:11; Luke 14:5; Exodus 23:4-5). In situations like these, Israelites would act to save the lives of people and animals, even though it might cause them to do what would otherwise be considered work.

Guards defended the gates of Jerusalem.
Nehemiah posted guards at the gate of Jerusalem to keep merchants from entering the city and tempting the Israelites to participate in commerce on the Sabbath day (Nehemiah 13:15-22).

This story demonstrates the difference between necessary work and business work. The guards were stationed to protect the sanctity of the Sabbath for the community while the merchants were trying to earn a profit.

The disciples picked grain.
The Bible tells us the 12 disciples picked grain on the Sabbath (Matthew 12:1-2). They did this because they were hungry and had no food with them.

They certainly weren’t doing it to sell the grain. And it wasn’t as though they were harvesting the whole field, only a couple pieces of grain here and there, enough for their hunger to be satisfied.

Most importantly, their action of picking the grain didn’t distract them from spending time with God. As a matter of fact, they were walking through the field with Jesus Christ Himself!

And yet, because the act of plucking grain from their stalks fit the description of one of the Pharisees’ rules about work, the Jewish leaders insisted that they were breaking the Sabbath.

But when the Pharisees criticized them for picking the grain, Jesus compared it to the time David was given the holy bread to eat when he was in need even though the law said only priests could eat of the holy bread.

By giving this example, Jesus showed that compassion and the needs of human beings should be the priority. The Law is to protect humans and help them thrive—not make it harder for them.

Jesus healed people on the Sabbath.
Jesus healed people on the Sabbath on many different occasions (Matthew 12:10-14; Luke 13:10-17; Luke 14:1-6; John 5:1-18; John 9:1-16).

Though the Pharisees criticized Jesus for doing what they considered work on the Sabbath, Jesus once again highlighted the importance of attending to the needs of others before attending to the requirements of the law.

He pointed out that the Pharisees all watered their animals on the Sabbath, which, while being a type of work, was still done to meet their animals’ needs.

The Jews had a difficult time understanding what it truly meant to keep the Sabbath. Instead of living by the principles of the Sabbath, they had become dependent on the list of Sabbath regulations their Jewish leaders, the Pharisees, had created (Mark 7:5-13).

As a result, they became so preoccupied with their law and traditions that they thought Jesus Christ Himself was breaking the Sabbath when He healed people (Matthew 12:10).

But Jesus explained that it was good to heal on the Sabbath, saying:

“What man is there among you who has one sheep, and if it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will not lay hold of it and lift it out? Of how much more value then is a man than a sheep? Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath” (Matthew 12:11-12).

In this way, Jesus explained that serving others and tending to the needs of our neighbours does not break the law. The Sabbath’s entire purpose was to benefit mankind (Mark 2:27).

This is why it’s so important that we don’t reduce Sabbath-keeping to a bunch of rules and categorized lists.

This makes it all too easy to reduce the Sabbath to a ritual to complete, rather than a blessing to enjoy. A general list of rules also fails to address the complexities of specific situations we face.

Instead, we have to approach the Sabbath by relying on the Holy Spirit’s leading while studying the Sabbath principles He left for us in His Word.

 

[phipps]

Yes but when exactly IS the seventh day, the jews say saturday but christians say sunday, so which of them is correct?

The seventh day is Saturday. Always has been from creation and it was meant for all mankind not only Jews. Adam and Eve were not Jews. Even the Catholic Church that changed the day of worship to Sunday says Saturday is the Seventh day of the week and it was never changed in the Bible. They say they changed the day by their own authority as I've just posted on the paganism and Catholic thread. I suggest you read what I've posted there because the Catholics make it clear that by most Protestants observing Sunday instead of Saturday they are following and obeying the Catholic Church authority not the Bible. I will repost one thing I posted there today:

“Most Christians assume that Sunday is the biblically approved day of worship. The Catholic Church protests that it transferred Christian worship from the biblical Sabbath (Saturday) to Sunday, and that to try to argue that the change was made in the Bible is both dishonest and a denial of Catholic authority. If Protestantism wants to base its teachings only on the Bible, it should worship on Saturday.”
http://www.immaculateheart.com/maryonline Dec 2003

 

[A Freeman]

1- Doing good deeds on the Sabbath is fine, but where is the line drawn between good deeds and work?

Why don't you read what it says in Scripture about this, because the differences are well-defined in The Law that God gave us.

For example if a doctor or paramedic gets an urgent call to go tend a patient, is that classed as a good deed or work?

Already answered.

2- Anyway, when exactly IS the sabbath, saturday or sunday or any other day?
3- In 'Chariots of Fire' the christian Eric Liddle gently reprimands a couple of boys for kicking a football around on the sabbath, and later he refuses to run his Olympic race on a sunday, would God approve of him taking that view?

The Sabbath day is the SEVENTH day of the week, NOT the first day of the week.

Saturday is the seventh day of the week.

Sun-day is the first day of the week; the day of Babylonian sun-worship.

And concerning sports, what does Scripture say about them?

Enoch 66:8-12
66:8 And in those days shall these waters be to kings, to princes, to the exalted and to the inhabitants of the Earth, for the healing of the Soul (Being) and body (human), and for the judgement of the spirit.
66:9 Their spirits shall be full of SPORT, that they may be judged for their bodies (1 Tim. 3:8); because they have denied the Lord of spirits, and although they perceive their condemnation day by day, they believe NOT in His name (Rev. 20:15).
66:10 And as the swelling of their bodies (and ego) shall be great, so shall their spirits undergo a change for ever.
66:11 For no word which is uttered before the Lord of spirits shall be in vain (Isa. 34:16).
66:12 Judgement has come upon them, because they trusted in the sport of their bodies, and denied the Lord of spirits (by so doing - 1 Tim. 3:8).

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; THE FLESH PROFITETH NOTHING: the Words (Truth) that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are Life.

1 Timothy 3:8 For bodily exercise profiteth little: but Godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the Life that now is, and of that which is to come.

 

[phipps]

 

[Clout]

..The Sabbath day is the SEVENTH day of the week, NOT the first day of the week...

is the seventh day Saturday (as jews believe) or Sunday (as christians believe)?

 

[A Freeman]

is the seventh day Saturday (as jews believe) or Sunday (as christians believe)?

Do any "Christians" actually believe that Sunday isn't the 1st day of the week and/or that Saturday isn't the 7th day of the week?

 

[Clout]

Do any "Christians" actually believe that Sunday isn't the 1st day of the week and/or that Saturday isn't the 7th day of the week?

What does scripture say about which exactly is the sabbath day?
In fact does the Bible even mention anywhere the days Sun/Mon/Tues/Weds/Thurs/Fri/Sat by actual name?

 

[illegalbeagle]

Clout said:
After all, if medical workers all took sundays off, who'd look after the patients?

The only reason we have medical workers and hospitals is because we haven't kept The Law that God gave us, including remembering the Sabbath day to keep it holy and relying on God to heal us instead of witch doctors.

Exodus 15:26 And said, IF thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the "I AM" thy God, and wilt DO that which is right in His eyes, and wilt give ear to His Commandments, and keep all His Statutes, I will put NONE of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I [am] the "I AM" that healeth thee.




THIS.

 

[A Freeman]

What does scripture say about which exactly is the sabbath day?
In fact does the Bible even mention anywhere the days Sun/Mon/Tues/Weds/Thurs/Fri/Sat by actual name?

You've already been provided the verses telling us what Scripture actually says about the Sabbath day, and that we are COMMANDED to remember it to keep it holy (e.g. Exod. 20:8-11, concerning the weekly Sabbath).

Now you're trying to pretend as if God has made it difficult for us to know how the days of the week are numbered, regardless of their modern-day names.

The Old Covenant makes it crystal clear that the weekly Sabbath is the SEVENTH day of the week.

The New Covenant, which was written after the Roman calendar named the days of the week, provides us with exactly the same information: the weekly Sabbath day is the SEVENTH day of the week, which is then followed by the first day of the week, as the numbering system (and names) are repeated each week.

Matthew 28:1 After the (two) Sabbaths*, as it began to dawn toward the first [day] of the week (Sunday), came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

*there was a high Sabbath day -- that marked the beginning of the Feast of Unleavened Bread that follows the Passover -- which fell on a Thursday the year that Jesus was crucified (John 19:31)

Mark 16:1-2
16:1 And when the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the [mother] of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
16:2 And very early in the morning the first [day] of the week (Sunday), they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.

Luke 24:1-3
24:1 Now upon the first [day] of the week (Sunday), very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain [others] with them.
24:2 And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre.
24:3 And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus.

John 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the Sabbath day, (for that Sabbath day was an high day [The Passover - Wednesday 21/4/34],) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and [that] they might be taken away.

John 20:1 The first [day] of the week (Sunday) cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

The Roman Catholics made their day of worship to the first day of the week, which they call SUN-DAY, the day of Babylonian sun-worship. They allegedly made this change because they WRONGLY claim that Jesus rose on the first day of the week, EVEN THOUGH THE SCRIPTURES PLAINLY TELL US THAT JESUS HAD ALREADY RISEN ON THE SABBATH DAY, aka The Lord's Day.

Further, and to show just how blind the Roman Catholic priests and followers actually are, they falsely claim that Jesus was crucified on the sixth day of the week (Friday), and was resurrected on a Sunday, which is barely 1 1/2 days (roughly 36 hours) later, thereby calling Christ-Jesus a liar, because Christ prophesied the body of Jesus would be in the ground for THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS.

Friday night and Saturday night are very obviously NOT 3 nights, as any child who can count to three knows. So anyone who cannot be bothered to take the time to actually study the Scriptures, accept the Sabbath day is the SEVENTH DAY of the week (which we now call Saturday) and see for themselves that Jesus was crucified on a WEDNESDAY, i.e. in the "midst of the week" (also exactly as prophesied - Dan. 9:27), has no love for Christ nor for the truth.

The fact that Sabbath day and Saturday sound almost identical, is likewise a further sign that Saturday is the seventh day of the week, which is why most calendars are arranged from Sunday to Saturday.



So please stop wasting everyone's time with your satanic antics, and accept the truth that the Sabbath day (Saturday) is the seventh day of the week, and learn to KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS as anyone who actually loves Christ should do.

 

[A Freeman]

Some further, clear signs Father (God) has given us all that Saturday is the Sabbath day -- the SEVENTH day of the week -- so that we will honour our perpetual Covenant (everlasting contract) with Him:

English Saturday (Sabbath day)
Hebrew Shabat (which means “rest”)
Greek Σάββατο (Sabbato)
Latin diēs saturnī (Saturday/Sabbath day)
Spanish Sábado (Sabbath day)
Italian Sabato (Sabbath day)
Portuguese Sábado (Sabbath day)
Afrikaans Saterdag (Saturday/Sabbath day)
Dutch Zaterdag (Saturday/Sabbath day)
French Samedi (Saturday/Sabbath day)
Swedish Lördag (The Lord's Day)
Norwegian Lørdag (The Lord's Day)
Danish Lørdag (The Lord's Day)
Croatian Subota (Sabbath day)
Polish Sobota (Sabbath day)
Czech Sobota (Sabbath day)
Russian Суббота (Sabbath day)
Bulgarian Събота (Sabbath day)
Romanian Sâmbătă (Sabbath day)
Arabic “yawm Al Sabt” (day of the Sabbath)