What Is Monotheism Really About?

[TMT]

I think they just wanted to be in charge of the whole thing. Or it was a ploy to confuse the public, by creating some sort of opposition. Gloria Steinem, for example, was/is all for womens rights but is also well-known for having been on CIA payroll. Or Jim Morrison, whose father was away commanding forces in the Gulf Tonkin, orchestrating a false flag.

The 60s was such a tulmultous decade (okay, we all weren't there) but i've always wondered, why, at that particular point in time were the civil rights and women's rights mov'ts succesful? Why not before? Why are the 50s viewed as this glorious era and not the decades after it?



Don Mclean sang about 'the day the music died', and i argue there must be a day that society died. "As with all ages, a culture's art mirrors
reality, and modern cinema/music is far more of a mirror of reality than 99% of the viewing/listening audience realizes". The degeneracy in film and music that this website is dedicated to exposing is exactly what has gripped our world. Thats why i say to myself: there's no such thing as fiction. So while you may see glorious days ahead, i don't. So you can't claim the rise of Christianity or Islam
inhibits 'progress'.

While Jim's dad was orchestrating a provocation in Tonkin his son was writing songs asking questions about our involvment in that war.

They had been estranged for a long time and I don't believe in the whole sins of the father thing.

Not everyone views the 50's as some glorious era either, lot's of people remember the hypocrisy of the age, and it's restrictions.

If you want to look at why things have gotten worse it wasn't because of the counter culture, it was because of the Reagan Corporate Fundie 80's and all subsequent presidents have towed the corporate/military line.

I don't see glorious days ahead, not for a long time at least. As I've said over and over with Trump's election and right wing traditionalism gripping the world (13.5 for far right party in Germany, may not seem like a lot but considering their past is terrifying) and a guy like Mike Pence and his backers in the family (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Family:_The_Secret_Fundamentalism_at_the_Heart_of_American_Power)
right there and with the Crowley quote I gave you last week all signs point to a dark age, but a dark age of fundamentalism.

I can and will blame Christianity and Islam for inhibiting progress because it's truth. Christianity is by far the most violent and murderous cult in world history, and all the Islamic countries are theocratic oligarchies or military dictatorships.

While brave people of the counterculture protested to end a human rights catastrophe in Vietnam, Christians(by and large)supported the killing of at least 2 million Vietnamese.

While Christians used the bible to justify segregation the counter culture opposed it.

While gays were being targeted by cops at their social establishments and brutalized, Christians did nothing while the counterculture opposed it.

While corporations polluted the planet with DDT, raped it with mining and drilling, Christians did nothing or apologized for it, the counterculture fought it.

Read "The Family" and see what Christians did to Somalia and that's just one example.

I have been quoted that shitty bible passage about mistaking good for evil here countless times, but it really applies to you.


(Thanks for waiting so long KS)

 

[DesertRose]

I can and will blame Christianity and Islam for inhibiting progress because it's truth. Christianity is by far the most violent and murderous cult in world history, and all the Islamic countries are theocratic oligarchies or military dictatorships.

This is subjective.
Islam has a different relationship with science.
Remember Alchemy,Algebra .astronomy.....many contributions.
Islam has not been in power for nearly 100 years.
The royal families and military dictatorships have usurped rule by Allah's principles.
Science declined in the Muslim world due mainly to bad politics and governance and even perhaps to ignorance from some theologians however not from Islam as a faith system,
In this video there is a short discussion on Islam and Science.

 

[Karlysymon]

(Thanks for waiting so long KS)

Thanx aswell.

my response to Etagloc on page 1. Its one thing to turn a blind eye and a deaf ear to suffering but its also another to paint with a broad brush

Should we also blame
Christianity for the horrors
in Iraq, Afghanistan,
Nagasaki and the Dresden
bombing? Should Shintoism be blamed for
the r*pe of Nanking? It is
doctrine that should be
examined to see whether
or not it throws weight
behind an individual's actions.

 

[JoChris]

While Jim's dad was orchestrating a provocation in Tonkin his son was writing songs asking questions about our involvment in that war.

They had been estranged for a long time and I don't believe in the whole sins of the father thing.

Not everyone views the 50's as some glorious era either, lot's of people remember the hypocrisy of the age, and it's restrictions.

If you want to look at why things have gotten worse it wasn't because of the counter culture, it was because of the Reagan Corporate Fundie 80's and all subsequent presidents have towed the corporate/military line.

I don't see glorious days ahead, not for a long time at least. As I've said over and over with Trump's election and right wing traditionalism gripping the world (13.5 for far right party in Germany, may not seem like a lot but considering their past is terrifying) and a guy like Mike Pence and his backers in the family (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Family:_The_Secret_Fundamentalism_at_the_Heart_of_American_Power)
right there and with the Crowley quote I gave you last week all signs point to a dark age, but a dark age of fundamentalism.

I can and will blame Christianity and Islam for inhibiting progress because it's truth. Christianity is by far the most violent and murderous cult in world history, and all the Islamic countries are theocratic oligarchies or military dictatorships.

While brave people of the counterculture protested to end a human rights catastrophe in Vietnam, Christians(by and large)supported the killing of at least 2 million Vietnamese.

While Christians used the bible to justify segregation the counter culture opposed it.

While gays were being targeted by cops at their social establishments and brutalized, Christians did nothing while the counterculture opposed it.

While corporations polluted the planet with DDT, raped it with mining and drilling, Christians did nothing or apologized for it, the counterculture fought it.

Read "The Family" and see what Christians did to Somalia and that's just one example.

I have been quoted that shitty bible passage about mistaking good for evil here countless times, but it really applies to you.


(Thanks for waiting so long KS)

*Sigh*. There are many who claim the name of Christ but are anything but Christians. History shows that clearly if shown clearly against commandments given to Christians in the bible.

In modern times it seems that USA politicians use the name of Christ as excuses to wage wars. I am an Generation Xer and I never remember any Australian politicians using religion as the green light to wage war. I can't think of any European countries doing that either.

Sorry to offend any Americans on this forum but to the rest of the world we have noticed USA citizens are easily misled by politicians talking the talk, especially if they are fluent in Christianese.

TMT it would be good if people like you would stop using some people's gullibility as a smokescreen for your personal rejection of Christianity.

 

[Etagloc]

Thanx aswell.

my response to Etagloc on page 1. Its one thing to turn a blind eye and a deaf ear to suffering but its also another to paint with a broad brush

I don't think I should be lumped in with TMT. I'm not a monotheist and I say "well, historically..." but I am not under a delusion that the elites are religious fundamentalists and I am not oozing irrational hate. I have certain reasons I'm not monotheist and I think religions like Hinduism and the Yoruba religion and indigenous religions are worth preserving but I don't hate the Abrahamic religions or use them as a scapecamel. I also said in this thread (I think on the first page) that I believe Christianity and Islam are paths to God and that they bring people closer to God. I'm not against any particular religion.

 

[Etagloc]

I don't know how to put this politely and so I apologize for this being rude but.... TMT, I think you yourself are a fundamentalist.... in the name of being against fundamentalists.

 

[Etagloc]

But honestly, we need morality. I don't care what people believe if it causes people to act morally. I don't think Noah really put two of any animal on his boat but I really don't care if that's what you believe.... and if you act morally, that's wassup. That what matters- I don't think the goodness or badness of a person is defined by what they believe.... I think it's how you act that makes you a good or bad person and I think that's what matters.

 

[Etagloc]

and as far as Jim Morrison...... anyone can say they're against the system or whatever...... if saying things like that made it so, Hillary Clinton would be like some sort of modern day Malcolm X

 

[TMT]

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TMT it would be good if people like you would stop using some people's gullibility as a smokescreen for your personal rejection of Christianity.

It would be good if Christians stopped trying to control the lives of others, I don't give a damn what any one person believes in, but as a block, Christians and Muslims have shown that they must impose their beliefs through legislation and government.(Or the tip of a sword)

 

[TMT]

I don't think I should be lumped in with TMT. I'm not a monotheist and I say "well, historically..." but I am not under a delusion that the elites are religious fundamentalists and I am not oozing irrational hate. I have certain reasons I'm not monotheist and I think religions like Hinduism and the Yoruba religion and indigenous religions are worth preserving but I don't hate the Abrahamic religions or use them as a scapecamel. I also said in this thread (I think on the first page) that I believe Christianity and Islam are paths to God and that they bring people closer to God. I'm not against any particular religion.

Oozing irrational hate eh? I still remember your "what would you do if you were president" thread, so look at thyself.

I don't know how to put this politely and so I apologize for this being rude but.... TMT, I think you yourself are a fundamentalist.... in the name of being against fundamentalists.

fun·da·men·tal·ist
ˌfəndəˈmen(t)ələst/
noun
noun: fundamentalist; plural noun: fundamentalists

1. 1.
   a person who believes in the strict, literal interpretation of scripture in a religion.
   "religious fundamentalists"
   • a person who adheres strictly to the basic principles of any subject or discipline.
     "a free-market fundamentalist"

adjective
adjective: fundamentalist

1. 1.
   relating to or advocating the strict, literal interpretation of scripture.
   "a fundamentalist Protestant preacher"
   • relating to or advocating strict adherence to the basic principles of any subject or discipline.
     "the fundamentalist ideologies of market and state"

I'm not any of those definitions in anyway.

And by the way, elite fundamentalism is very real, much more real than your satanic conspiracies.

 

[TMT]

Thanx aswell.

my response to Etagloc on page 1. Its one thing to turn a blind eye and a deaf ear to suffering but its also another to paint with a broad brush

Well Afghanistan and Iraq can be placed at the feet of Christianity, GWB was clear with his Christian beliefs and evangelicalism supports it. Go to any church in the US and you are guaranteed to hear pro-war propaganda from the pulpit. Turn on TBN or the 700 club for more of the same.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

@TMT

Those who reject Christian belief may get the chance to experience the world "under new management" at some point, if Revelation is to believed. Sometimes the worst punishment is to give people exactly what they ask for.

 

[JoChris]

It would be good if Christians stopped trying to control the lives of others, I don't give a damn what any one person believes in, but as a block, Christians and Muslims have shown that they must impose their beliefs through legislation and government.(Or the tip of a sword)

How do Christians stop you from doing what you choose to do with your personal life?
There is a massive difference between tut-tutting, fingerwagging and letting people know that according to Christian beliefs what they are doing is wrong and making laws making private live decisions illegal -> jailing e.g. consensual same-sex physical relations.

Is there a different form of Christianity in the USA? I thought your country had legislation to keep religion and politics separate.

 

[JoChris]

Well Afghanistan and Iraq can be placed at the feet of Christianity, GWB was clear with his Christian beliefs and evangelicalism supports it. Go to any church in the US and you are guaranteed to hear pro-war propaganda from the pulpit. Turn on TBN or the 700 club for more of the same.

From all your statements it appears you do not know how to differentiate between American Patriotism (wearing a Christian mask) and Christianity itself. That is a shame.
I have never heard such rubbish coming from any Aussie preacher's mouth EVER.

 

[mecca]

From all your statements it appears you do not know how to differentiate between American Patriotism (wearing a Christian mask) and Christianity itself.

Yeah he faked being a Christian and the things he said and did went against Christianity but Christians still followed him.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

@mecca

Re GWB.. El Capitan Operetta 1896

Synopsis

Don Errico Medigua is the viceroy of Spanish-occupied 16th-century Peru and fears assassination by rebels. After he secretly has the rebel leader El Capitan killed, he disguises himself as El Capitan. Estrelda, the daughter of the former viceroy, Cazzaro, impressed by tales of El Capitan's daring, falls in love with the disguised Medigua, who is already married. Meanwhile, the rebels capture the Lord Chamberlain, Pozzo, mistaking him for the viceroy. Hearing that her husband has been captured, Medigua's wife Marganza and daughter Isabel (who is being wooed by the handsome Verrada) go in search of Medigua.

Medigua, still disguised as El Capitan, leads the hapless rebels against the Spaniards, taking them in circles until they are too tired to fight. The Spaniards win, the mistaken identities are revealed, the love stories are untangled after Medigua explains to his wife the fliration with Estrelda, and the story ends happily.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Capitan_(operetta)

 

[Karlysymon]

Well Afghanistan and Iraq can be placed at the feet of Christianity, GWB was clear with his Christian beliefs and evangelicalism supports it. Go to any church in the US and you are guaranteed to hear pro-war propaganda from the pulpit. Turn on TBN or the 700 club for more of the same.

That made me laugh in a weird kind of way. The reason there's war propaganda coming from the pulpit is because those behind the pulpit are basically plants. They are warhawks in dove's clothing, they are on DoD payroll. Example is Rick Warren of Saddleback mega-church (California), who is a CFR member. Thinktanks come up with whitepapers that then become DoD policy but that policy won't sit well with the average citizen and the only way to get said-citizen's support is by co-opting a faith. Its the oldest trick in the book. Just tell that citizen that any war was prophesied in the (Bible) holy book and chances are they'll be on-board. I meant to read Warren's popular book (Purpose driven life) afew years ago but when i heard him support/encourage war against Iran, that ended it for me, and i didn't even know he was a CFR member at that time. I purposefully watch TBN just so i can laugh because its all ridiculous. Iam pretty sure the likes of Pat Robertson have stakes in Boeing/Northrop Grumman/Lockheed martin et al. Just don't have the evidence yet. You can only promote war if you are hoping to benefit from it,. The Pentagon wouldn't get very far without televangelists. What we saw
circa 2001-03, is what we are seeing with Syria. Though you never hear them talking about prophecies about America being attacked by NorthKorea, Pearl Harbour (boogeyman and falseflag)...

 

[TMT]

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Is there a different form of Christianity in the USA? I thought your country had legislation to keep religion and politics separate.

It does, but maybe not forever.

Incoming US Senator Roy Moore is a clear theocrat, who would make homosexual contact illegal,and conservative politics is going farther and farther in that direction, and with Mike Pence as VP it's not looking good for those who believe secular government.

 

[TMT]

That made me laugh in a weird kind of way. The reason there's war propaganda coming from the pulpit is because those behind the pulpit are basically plants. They are warhawks in dove's clothing, they are on DoD payroll. Example is Rick Warren of Saddleback mega-church (California), who is a CFR member. Thinktanks come up with whitepapers that then become DoD policy but that policy won't sit well with the average citizen and the only way to get said-citizen's support is by co-opting a faith. Its the oldest trick in the book. Just tell that citizen that any war was prophesied in the (Bible) holy book and chances are they'll be on-board. I meant to read Warren's popular book (Purpose driven life) afew years ago but when i heard him support/encourage war against Iran, that ended it for me, and i didn't even know he was a CFR member at that time. I purposefully watch TBN just so i can laugh because its all ridiculous. Iam pretty sure the likes of Pat Robertson have stakes in Boeing/Northrop Grumman/Lockheed martin et al. Just don't have the evidence yet. You can only promote war if you are hoping to benefit from it,. The Pentagon wouldn't get very far without televangelists. What we saw
circa 2001-03, is what we are seeing with Syria. Though you never hear them talking about prophecies about America being attacked by NorthKorea, Pearl Harbour (boogeyman and falseflag)...

See what can I say to that? It's a cop-out and it's always the same "they're not christians, really!" or "they're Satanists posing as Christians".

The framework of the bible is control, Christians as a whole are very pliable and that's why I call it a religion of the powerful for the slaves, and you should know why I'm terrified of people who believe in bible prophecy in positions of power.

 

[TMT]

@TMT

Those who reject Christian belief may get the chance to experience the world "under new management" at some point, if Revelation is to believed. Sometimes the worst punishment is to give people exactly what they ask for.

Good thing it's not meant to believed.

I've said over and over a dark age may be coming, but it will be based on theocracy.