Wearing a Mask

[justjess]

fine, thanks for asking. i hope all is well with you and your family. i couldnt get online at all since the internet cafes are/were closed, and i dont own a phone.



no, because although you usually side with the leftist mentality, you throw a lot of curve balls. i am never sure what your take on any given issue will be. that, of course, is a good thing.



i submit this for your consideration:
i came back from overseas. there was a big religious demonstration where a prophet walked through the country with a cross, promising to remove the curse of corona. hjs religious walk brought him ultimately to a major city.
although i do believe in the power of prayer and belief, i thought with this charlatan leading this demonstration, it was ridiculous. the street was densely packed with people, shoulder to shoulder-- at least 3000 people; could have been 6000 judging from the photos. many had no masks, never mind social distancing. police tried to break it up to no avail as the people pushed back against them and were forced to back down (i loved it).
after this demonstration, i monitored the daily public health bulletin, watching the number of cases. with thousands on the street, i think there was 31 total cases in the entire province after two weeks.
one could make the argument that those who could be sick wont go to be tested, but that number should be offset by the gross inaccuracy of the tests.

We are doing well, thank you for asking. Bored but so is everyone else.

I will definately ponder on it, I think it’s clear that different places have had very different experiences. I have no explanation for that right now, not sure when or if I will. There appears to be little rhyme or reason in the dimensions that typically correlate with disease.

I’ll give you something to ponder as well.. down the street from my former apartment in Brooklyn there is a funeral home, a couple weeks back they discovered uhaul trucks filled with rotting corpses sitting outside that funeral home. It was on the news but I was told about it prior to it hitting the news because my mother in law went to the store next to it to pick up a couple things and smelled some god awful stench and the neighbors ended up reporting this stench and that’s what it turned out to be. My family has been living there for decades, I lived there for years. Never anything like this, not even remotely. You wouldn’t even know the place was there normally.

 

[polymoog]

I’ll give you something to ponder as well.. down the street from my former apartment in Brooklyn there is a funeral home, a couple weeks back they discovered uhaul trucks filled with rotting corpses sitting outside that funeral home. It was on the news but I was told about it prior to it hitting the news because my mother in law went to the store next to it to pick up a couple things and smelled some god awful stench and the neighbors ended up reporting this stench and that’s what it turned out to be. My family has been living there for decades, I lived there for years. Never anything like this, not even remotely. You wouldn’t even know the place was there normally.

what are you implying? did you see the actual corpses?

 

[justjess]

what are you implying? did you see the actual corpses?

My mother in law smelt them as did her sister and half the neighborhood, that’s for certain. Despite getting covid they are not locking themselves in their house screaming for shut downs and none of them are liberals so... no incentive to lie about it.

I did not smell them myself, I hightailed it out of Brooklyn a couple years back precisely so I wouldn’t be stuck there when something like this happened.

 

[A.J.]

Part of the CV-19 psy-op is to make asymptomatic people aka healthy people into potential spreaders. Now everyone is suspect and more control is needed to stop the threat, which is total BS. This has been pointed out by several doctors/virologists/epidemiologists.

BINGO! That’s what I’m getting at. I’ve been hearing between 35-50% completely asymptomatic - what is the science behind that? Throw in some false positives and fudged causes of death and you get intrusive health tracking & mandatory vax. Maybe it’s all legit but maybe it’s just new world bullshit.

 

[Faker He-Man]

One of the main purposes of The Event is to force people to further polarize themselves and finally choose one or the other: selflessness or selfishness. That’s about all I can say while respecting free will. Put the pieces together and you might see exactly what I mean and how it relates to the attitudes surrounding this particular hot button.

One of the more obvious indicators is to pay attention to the way customers have been reacting to the plexiglass shields at the store checkout. Some immediately understand why they are put there, while others only wonder whether or not it protects them from the cashier.

 

[elsbet]

There is a vaccine and medication for the flu, bad example

There are medications for flu symptoms.

And there are multiple vaccines, each for a certain strain of the flu. Those may or may not be effective.

BINGO! That’s what I’m getting at. I’ve been hearing between 35-50% asymptomatic - what is the science behind that? Throw in some false positives and fudged causes of death and you get intrusive health tracking & mandatory vax. Maybe it’s all legit but maybe it’s just new world bullshit.

And how strange it became a pandemic with almost half showing no symptoms. -.-

All the more reason to hand over your bio-data to the government/insurance companies-- and really, what's the difference, these days?

 

[Aero]

Yes we are all permanently a potential asymptomatic carrier of Covid-19. It doesn't matter if you test negative, get a vaccine, or literally never leave your house. We all could have it and not know it, because of science.

The Covid-19 pandemic has to be the biggest serving of shit we have seen in a while. Ever heard of the "Cold War"? In that sense, we aren't in a new normal. We went backward to the old normal. When McCarthyism still worked. Like all you have to do is call someone a communist/bio-terrorist and you win.

 

[A.J.]

“Yes we are all permanently a potential asymptomatic carrier of Covid-19. It doesn't matter if you test negative, get a vaccine, or literally never leave your house. We all could have it and not know it, because of science.

The Covid-19 pandemic has to be the biggest serving of shit we have seen in a while. Ever heard of the "Cold War"? In that sense, we aren't in a new normal. We went backward to the old normal. When McCarthyism still worked. Like all you have to do is call someone a communist/bio-terrorist and you win.”

 

[Tidal]

This thread has run to 7 pages so far and i've lost track of what we're discussing.
Are some members saying we should all wear masks or that it's a waste of time?
And should we all get tested? What the heck for? What good will testing do?
For example I've had a runny nose, headache and conjunctivitis for the past week but it's not getting any worse, I don't know if it's C-19 so why should I worry or do anything, I'll just go on isolating..

 

[Cintra]

This thread has run to 7 pages so far and i've lost track of what we're discussing.
Are some members saying we should all wear masks or that it's a waste of time?
And should we all get tested? What the heck for? What good will testing do?
For example I've had a runny nose, headache and conjunctivitis for the past week but it's not getting any worse, I don't know if it's C-19 so why should I worry or do anything, I'll just go on isolating..

I think we should just do whatever we think is best.
All the info is too confused and contradictory.

 

[Maes17]

I think we should just do whatever we think is best.
All the info is too confused and contradictory.

I’m on board with this. Use your own judgement. I’m not bashing anyone’s stance on this disease anymore. There’s enough stuff to worry about as is.

 

[rainerann]

Technically, the asymptomatic population was the primary argument for lowering the mortality rate. Without this unknown group, at face value, the death rate is about 6%. So it is interesting to see so many from the group promoting that this is no different than the flu also saying that asymptomatic cases are a fabrication. Yet another contradiction from this crowd.

it is also interesting to see how sheep is defined in this situation because I see a whole lot of people who seem unable to do research themselves and are instead dependent on the research of others that often contradicts with other pieces. When there are contradictions, there seems to be no independent process for smoothing these out, but this is supposed to be good information to share with a group?

Mexico and Brazil are both going up rapidly and they both shrugged off anything to do with lockdowns. While Spain, France, and Italy seem to be making a case that the quarantine approach was effective in bringing down the number of cases.

personally, I prefer masks if I had a choice and they also seem effective. Personally I think most of this will start to blow over by the end of summer except for places like Brazil. Everything is in the process of reopening right now and most locations include masks as part of reopening, which seem like they work.

the biggest problem is that there is so much bad information about infection control, especially here, it seems that there is real potential for something worse to come down the line and a whole lot of people will be sitting and trying to wave their flags with what they think they learned about infection control from this experience.

a mask is a method of sanitation and infection control, not to be confused with images of people covering one eye or wearing baphomet costumes. It is not something that was ever considered a component of a ritual. It would be good for people to find their way back to a reality that includes not believing so many contradictory statements about basic things.

 

[Tidal]

A talking head "expert" said on TV yesterday "Don't worry about picking up anything from fellow passengers on airliners, because airliners have air circulators and filters that keep the air fresh and germ-free"
I don't know who he was but I wouldn't be surprised if he was a lackey connected to the Airline Industry and wants us all to keep paying our money to book overseas holidays.
After all, the virus quickly spread from China all across the world and airliners are surely the chief culprit..

 

[justjess]

A talking head "expert" said on TV yesterday "Don't worry about picking up anything from fellow passengers on airliners, because airliners have air circulators and filters that keep the air fresh and germ-free"
I don't know who he was but I wouldn't be surprised if he was a lackey connected to the Airline Industry and wants us all to keep paying our money to book overseas holidays.
After all, the virus quickly spread from China all across the world and airliners are surely the chief culprit..

I thought it was a hoax though?

 

[polymoog]

A talking head "expert" said on TV yesterday "Don't worry about picking up anything from fellow passengers on airliners, because airliners have air circulators and filters that keep the air fresh and germ-free"
I don't know who he was but I wouldn't be surprised if he was a lackey connected to the Airline Industry and wants us all to keep paying our money to book overseas holidays.
After all, the virus quickly spread from China all across the world and airliners are surely the chief culprit..

i just finished watching this BBC predictive programming series. on the whole, it was very good. found it on YT if anyone is interested.

 

[not falling 4 it]

Science is based not on belief. But in fact, through testing multiple times and coming to a conclusion based on the results of testing. There is no faith involved. Just cold hard fact.

Says who? Who controls science? who controls data? who renders the results as true or false?...The "authorities" ? This has nothing to do with conspiracy theory-but EVERYTHING to do with critical thinking. We already KNOW that history has been taught wrong-and our textbooks have been manipulated-just as our news media and journalism...why would you think than....that our science has not been?

 

[Tidal]

I thought it was a hoax though?

Depends what paper we read and what talking head we listen to..
My take on the whole shebang is that C-19 exploded onto the world stage so fast, with chinese dying like flies in the streets that there was a touch of panic among our politicians, so they slapped the Lockdown on us to buy time for them to develop a vaccine or research other ways of busting its ass.
The Lockdown might or might not work to stop new cases, but it's better than doing zilch.

 

[Tidal]

[re Survivors 1975]..i just finished watching this BBC predictive programming series. on the whole, it was very good. found it on YT if anyone is interested

Yeah I just binge-watched all 38 episodes on DVD again..
(Hey people, don't get it mixed up with the krap 2000's remake)
S 75 raises some good points and messages, such as this poor slob who headed for the woods with a bag full of money but starved because he couldn't eat it-

 

[lightseeker]

Technically, the asymptomatic population was the primary argument for lowering the mortality rate. Without this unknown group, at face value, the death rate is about 6%. So it is interesting to see so many from the group promoting that this is no different than the flu also saying that asymptomatic cases are a fabrication. Yet another contradiction from this crowd.

it is also interesting to see how sheep is defined in this situation because I see a whole lot of people who seem unable to do research themselves and are instead dependent on the research of others that often contradicts with other pieces. When there are contradictions, there seems to be no independent process for smoothing these out, but this is supposed to be good information to share with a group?

Mexico and Brazil are both going up rapidly and they both shrugged off anything to do with lockdowns. While Spain, France, and Italy seem to be making a case that the quarantine approach was effective in bringing down the number of cases.

personally, I prefer masks if I had a choice and they also seem effective. Personally I think most of this will start to blow over by the end of summer except for places like Brazil. Everything is in the process of reopening right now and most locations include masks as part of reopening, which seem like they work.

the biggest problem is that there is so much bad information about infection control, especially here, it seems that there is real potential for something worse to come down the line and a whole lot of people will be sitting and trying to wave their flags with what they think they learned about infection control from this experience.

a mask is a method of sanitation and infection control, not to be confused with images of people covering one eye or wearing baphomet costumes. It is not something that was ever considered a component of a ritual. It would be good for people to find their way back to a reality that includes not believing so many contradictory statements about basic things.

Read some of the books written by the elites themselves then where they tell you their plans for the future. Start with the ones 100 years ago, see how history followed their words, and then some of the recent ones. Why is it that this event fulfilled so many of their criteria for what they had planned for civilization. And no it’s not tinfoil conspiracy, these are the words of the elites themselves. I’d summarize some for you but this vid does a good job

i am against all medical mandates because if you allow a government to have that power over your body, it will be abused. Masks might not seem like a big deal but that’s how the public is prepped, because by this winter the American military is “warp speeding” a vaccine into the American public. And the logic behind doing this and mandating masks is the same. You might say, but masks are harmless to you. Yeah well vaccines are supposed to be harmless too and I don’t want one.

The arrogance of the medical establishment blaming Brazil and Mexico for their outbreaks because they “didn’t lockdown” is really telling. How do you know a lockdown wouldn’t be a death sentence for people living in these countries? From where do you think they get their daily bread? And it was a death sentence for many people here too, as we now see overdoses spike beyond anything conceived as addicts go without their meetings, alcoholics relapsing, a literal crisis of domestic and child abuse, state mandated agoraphobia, tens of millions out of work. And you might think that this will be over by the summer, but the news is already prepping us for DA SEGUND WABVE. This virus will end but th social changes will not hence the talk of “the new normal”.

So the central things I’m claiming here are that social changes are not organic and ad hoc but are what the elites of thisnworld had planned anyways. For reference see the last “invisible enemy”, terrorism. Another problem like viruses that can never be defeated and you are the one that needs to sacrifice your rights, freedoms, and comforts to combat it. And meanwhile social elites carry out what they want in the process, a lose-win. So we live in a world where there’s new viruses that emerge and the threat of them all the time. Is this the new protocol for that?

 

[A.J.]

Lots to unpack here. Let’s regroup.
1. Im not anti mask - look at my avatar. 2. I’m not worried about the amount of cases here. That’s not my obsession.

The rest of your comments need context.
You are generalizing about infection control, covering an eye, baphomet.....?

Lets backup, from April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010, CDC estimated there were 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million) of (H1N1)pdm09 virus in the US alone. There was no vaccine for this particular strain. There was no panic. Let that be your foundation. Now reset. You are establishing random straw men. Refocus your argument.

Are cases of influenza ever asymptomatic?

Technically, the asymptomatic population was the primary argument for lowering the mortality rate. Without this unknown group, at face value, the death rate is about 6%. So it is interesting to see so many from the group promoting that this is no different than the flu also saying that asymptomatic cases are a fabrication. Yet another contradiction from this crowd.

it is also interesting to see how sheep is defined in this situation because I see a whole lot of people who seem unable to do research themselves and are instead dependent on the research of others that often contradicts with other pieces. When there are contradictions, there seems to be no independent process for smoothing these out, but this is supposed to be good information to share with a group?

Mexico and Brazil are both going up rapidly and they both shrugged off anything to do with lockdowns. While Spain, France, and Italy seem to be making a case that the quarantine approach was effective in bringing down the number of cases.

personally, I prefer masks if I had a choice and they also seem effective. Personally I think most of this will start to blow over by the end of summer except for places like Brazil. Everything is in the process of reopening right now and most locations include masks as part of reopening, which seem like they work.

the biggest problem is that there is so much bad information about infection control, especially here, it seems that there is real potential for something worse to come down the line and a whole lot of people will be sitting and trying to wave their flags with what they think they learned about infection control from this experience.

a mask is a method of sanitation and infection control, not to be confused with images of people covering one eye or wearing baphomet costumes. It is not something that was ever considered a component of a ritual. It would be good for people to find their way back to a reality that includes not believing so many contradictory statements about basic things.