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I find it interesting that some see us as full on Trump supporters when we, in fact, take things as they come and see no sides unless necessary. It makes little sense to have delayed anything and present mistrust in the media for here and ever more if you could have implemented immediate control. I think there was an unexpected chink in the armor which was exposed.


But why go to so much trouble? HRC would have us in the war for the mongers and they'd be making money for the elite. Oh, they can get control of Trump through his family, etc, but it is in the works and not completely done at this time which is an improvement. Nobody is saying a lot will change in the end, only that the stream of PC has at least been halted if even for a year or two. Trump is a nationalist, so what benefit is there in that? Once we are in a globalist system, it will really be hard to shake back out of that. Once everybody is in, things really begin and they need the US and USSR to ideally go after one another to cancel each other out, IMO. China is already in the pocket and the ME is to divided to stop it.
He just gave the arms dealers 717b lol and his tax cuts made the elite even more elite over night. He is making them money, and it's pretty clear Lord Bolton is gunning for Iran.

Maybe to divide this country, to start the oft talked about civil war started, or maybe because he is the biggest corporate whore to have ever existed?

Maybe the plan isn't full on Globalism but a world cobfederacy of authorization states! It's on the rise everywhere.


And even though corporate Globalism is bad (the left cared about this long before the right did) it doesn't make nationalism good.


Just look who he has surrounded himself with, keep lying to yourself that he isn't controlled.
 

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sorry, but i dont see it that way. i think you are overthinking it. hillary was their woman for a lot of reasons. if i was at the top of the pyramid, id choose her and further the agendas started by obama. she could be scratching away at the second amendment right now, opening the flood doors to immigration, starting a war with russia (who doesnt love a big, moneymaking war?), and pursuing gender politics. you will remember that shes alluded to the fact that "we are losing the information war" (referring to the internet), so she would happily shut down free speech expression. she is a dream candidate, with plenty of skeletons in her closet to keep her walking a straight line if she even had a second thought (not likely).
as you know, shes a true psychopath and has no empathy. a clinton- sanders ticket wouldve easily won the election. the DNC scandal hurt, badly, and her own past misdeeds coupled with her underestimation of the power of social media proved her undoing. (this is why, of course, we are seeing what we are seeing with the suppression of free speech as we speak prior to the midterms: alt media and the rightists need to be silenced so they can proceed.)
They made you think she was their dream candidate and it worked, they nominated her so she would lose, the DNC scandal hurt as did the email hacks, both of which were conspiracies, by the literal definition, to favor Trump.

Comey reopening the investigation, her intentional refusal to campaign in those three states, the almost surely manipulated poll data showing a sure thing Clinton victory so a lot of people stayedhhom.

She was in on her own loss and is just playing her part in the reality show that is now the USA.

I'll never convince you, but if you care about freedom like you say you do, you better pray a national emergeency doesn't happen on his watch, if you think Bush after 911 was bad, just wait.
 
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They made you think she was their dream candidate and it worked, they nominated her so she would lose, the DNC scandal hurt as did the email hacks, both of which were conspiracies, by the literal definition, to favor Trump.

Comey reopening the investigation, her intentional refusal to campaign in those three states, the almost surely manipulated poll data showing a sure thing Clinton victory so a lot of people stayedhhom.

She was in on her own loss and is just playing her part in the reality show that is now the USA.

I'll never convince you, but if you care about freedom like you say you do, you better pray a national emergeency doesn't happen on his watch, if you think Bush after 911 was bad, just wait.
Deep food for thought.
 

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He just gave the arms dealers 717b lol and his tax cuts made the elite even more elite over night. He is making them money, and it's pretty clear Lord Bolton is gunning for Iran.

Maybe to divide this country, to start the oft talked about civil war started, or maybe because he is the biggest corporate whore to have ever existed?

Maybe the plan isn't full on Globalism but a world cobfederacy of authorization states! It's on the rise everywhere.


And even though corporate Globalism is bad (the left cared about this long before the right did) it doesn't make nationalism good.


Just look who he has surrounded himself with, keep lying to yourself that he isn't controlled.
Often times when we speak of corporations here there is no differentiation between the types. Firstly, all businesses, even small; are urged to incorporate. So his cuts add jobs in that not only to the elite hire but all the smaller ones as well.

I get what you are saying with Bolton and some others, but he went straight into a swamp where he had few choices in some cases or tainted ones at best. Had some of these people not be chosen via his inexperience, we'd be in a better place without the threats of war we are now seeing.

Still, he has not personally ran for war which is what I like. Saber rattling is not the same. Other than that you gave more what-ifs than I can answer at this time. Your attempt to make the left look good saying they cared about corporation domination while true, no longer exists. Look at what the current left backs. What they want. It all leads to globalism in the majority save fringe groups.

The problem with leftist politics is they make stuff up and want it to stick. Plus, they are divided among themselves with the socialism push. This is not to say the right is right but the current right is as split due to Trump. And it is not really the right we knew just as the left is different.

I was a former democrat, but the party is not what it was and so I am a libertarian with a right lean. I believe in freedom of speech. The current left which has been hijacked and brainwashed IMO, is about shutting down everything which bothers them in the least and creating unrealistic rights. If I say I feel teaching kids they can choose between being a boy or girl is wrong by a transgender person which make up much less than 1% of people in society...I am preaching hate according to the current left and can be literally banned from the internet, social media and the like.

You can keep this in spin cycle until you think you hit the right key if you choose Futility. But in the end it is rationally futile to grasp at numerous what-ifs until something sticks. In the end, we all just have to let it play out more to see the truth.
 
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They made you think she was their dream candidate and it worked, they nominated her so she would lose, the DNC scandal hurt as did the email hacks, both of which were conspiracies, by the literal definition, to favor Trump.

Comey reopening the investigation, her intentional refusal to campaign in those three states, the almost surely manipulated poll data showing a sure thing Clinton victory so a lot of people stayedhhom.

She was in on her own loss and is just playing her part in the reality show that is now the USA.

I'll never convince you, but if you care about freedom like you say you do, you better pray a national emergeency doesn't happen on his watch, if you think Bush after 911 was bad, just wait.

hillary had all of money and all of the media behind her. why nominate her to lose? that makes no sense. if they wanted to insure her loss, they couldve had the leftist MSM start covering the DNC scandal and some of the other evils shes done. they couldve reported on her earpieces and the fact that she knew the questions ahead of time during the debates. when the right brought up the question of whether the election could be tampered, the left resoundingly said no way. now, its the russians, the new bogeyman (since "terrorism" has lost its bite on the american people).

she couldnt campaign at the end because of her health. remember: the green glob she coughed up, the many coughing fits, the help she needed to get up the stairs.. the spastic brownian epileptic fit in front of the reporters, the weird facial contortion during the DNC balloon drop... all of these things couldve been covered by MSM, but went unreported because they WANTED clinton in.

the polling estimates favored hillary by a wide margin. i agree. i dont believe this caused people to stay home.

the comey situation is a whole other ball of wax. theres deep corruption involved which is part of the story, but its not a huge part of why hillary lost and we wont know all of the details for years. its too fresh.

 

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Israel couldn't have been dictating much with Obama bombing them legislatively and symbolically. But I'm not sure if Clinton would have continued that trend. For the Democrats, it does seem like Israel and Russia are supposed to be our enemies. And now they are turning their backs on all forms of socialism when they are all socialists!

I just don't get it. People are twisting themselves into knots following all these red herrings. We know that postmodern capitalism is just like a house of cards. So I'm not going to give the "grand wizards" mad props! How can any democrat even be so spineless? Like oh, we can just pretend 2008 didn't happen. You know? It's not politically wise to rag on the economy when the numbers are good!

Maybe I'm just ranting. I'm not a socialist, but I don't see Grand Wizard capitalist as a better choice.
 

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And one thing I gotta ask @polymoog for a guy who sees Zionism as the top of the pyramid, how do you reconcile Trump being the most pro Israel ever?
youve got me mixed up with someone else. i never claimed zionism was at the top of the pyramid.
 

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Trump's on a leash, in the end, he's business as usual....
Clinton may have moved things along a bit faster, but Trump, either by volition or manipulation, will do.... The fact that he appeals to white nationalists due to his bombastic, yet media spun, rhetoric, demonstrates he is ultimately a decoy symbol of faux nationalism.... He cannot go too far off the reservation....
he's a great lightning rod to keep things divided.....the perfect tool for that job
http://pulpitandpen.org/2018/05/05/a-warning-to-christians-dont-fall-into-the-trump-trap/
I sorta trusted Rand Paul....but no other presidential candidate was gonna truly buck the system
 
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They made you think she was their dream candidate and it worked, they nominated her so she would lose, the DNC scandal hurt as did the email hacks, both of which were conspiracies, by the literal definition, to favor Trump.

Comey reopening the investigation, her intentional refusal to campaign in those three states, the almost surely manipulated poll data showing a sure thing Clinton victory so a lot of people stayedhhom.

She was in on her own loss and is just playing her part in the reality show that is now the USA.

I'll never convince you, but if you care about freedom like you say you do, you better pray a national emergeency doesn't happen on his watch, if you think Bush after 911 was bad, just wait.
Nah, wikileaks killed her campaign....that's it.... You are waaay over thinking....Clinton would have moved things along and brought the chaos quite nicely....you are mistaking arrogance & entitlement for conspiracy
 
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Nah, wikileaks killed her campaign....that's it.... You are waaay over thinking....Clinton would have moved things along and brought the chaos quite nicely....you are mistaking arrogance & entitlement for conspiracy
WikiLeaks was part of the conspiracy, it's recently been proven.

Trump is doing everything they could have wanted, I understand a lot of you are desperate for a "win" but you got conned by the con man.
 

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Hilary lost because everyone hates her, has always hated her and will always hate her. Nominating her was the stupidest thing the Democrats could have done so one can only assume it was done purposefully. No ones that stupid. They threw the election on purpose, imo.

As for Russia, how many people have been indicted now? Plead guilty? How many admissions has trump himself made? I don’t understand calling it bullshit at this point. And I don’t hate Russia or want war with Russia or think Russia is our enemy or some weird Cold War part two nonsense. But where there’s smoke, there’s fire.
 

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Hilary lost because everyone hates her, has always hated her and will always hate her. Nominating her was the stupidest thing the Democrats could have done so one can only assume it was done purposefully. No ones that stupid. They threw the election on purpose, imo.

As for Russia, how many people have been indicted now? Plead guilty? How many admissions has trump himself made? I don’t understand calling it bullshit at this point. And I don’t hate Russia or want war with Russia or think Russia is our enemy or some weird Cold War part two nonsense. But where there’s smoke, there’s fire.
The Butina indictment is pretty telling as it details how she used the National Prayer Breakfast to gain influence. Pence is heavily involved with the NPB people and gives a glimpse to Trump's true backers.
 

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I think we are divided in ways that make no sense. The current administration just compounds that fact. Like most of the Democrats, and Republicans were already walking contradictions. Now it's like people are completely different each time they speak on any issue. Like I can kind of understand how we have lost the sense of the truth. But how do people not care about consistency?

A lot of truth is actually subjective though. Consistency is not, and will never be. We can debate the levels of consistency, and how we gauge consistency. But there isn't any wiggle room on what consistency is and how it defines the parameters. That might of sounded better in my head. The point is like I said in my last rant. I don't get why nothing really matters anymore.

We are acting and pretending like it all matters. But the action or lack of action in our arguments says otherwise. And I think part of me is angry that this type of shit doesn't work for me. I have to be perfectly balanced all the time or I'll start having a mental breakdown. Maybe that's the answer to it all. Everyone is having daily breakdowns that don't get addressed.
 

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Trump recently admitted his son met with Russians at his tower to collect "dirt" on Hillary...after lying for a while about it not happening, then said it was to talk about "adoptions"....said it was "totally legal". Except that it is not. I seriously think he is tweeting himself into losing the next election.
 

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Hilary lost because everyone hates her, has always hated her and will always hate her. Nominating her was the stupidest thing the Democrats could have done so one can only assume it was done purposefully. No ones that stupid. They threw the election on purpose, imo.
so you are saying that the NWO does stupid things? the NWO controls the democrats (and the GOP). if you say that the NWO threw the election, then we agree that russia had essentially nothing to do with rigging it (especially when soros and co. own the voting machine corporations and the votes are always rigged, back at LEAST since the diebold machines). if you are right that everyone hates hillary, then why were the polling numbers so skewed in her favor (80 or 90+% chance to win)? why even have such a charade when they can start idolizing trump in the MSM and support him so he can do all the evil, corrupt things he is supposed to do? after all, its the dems who are blocking his agenda. if the dems were suppressed and pooh-poohed by the MSM in a propaganda war, trump would have an easier time being the authoritarian dictator he is supposed to be. this is not what we are seeing. the end goal is, after all, a police state. why would the NWO-backed MSM block trump from fulfilling this?
 

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Trump recently admitted his son met with Russians at his tower to collect "dirt" on Hillary...after lying for a while about it not happening, then said it was to talk about "adoptions"....said it was "totally legal". Except that it is not. I seriously think he is tweeting himself into losing the next election.
theres a lot stuff going on in whch we arent privy. for example, id like to know what info putins men gave to trump when he got off the plane.
 

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Trump won because he was the man used to polarize the nation. He is just there to divide you (like saying the media is the enemy of the people, which is what dictators often say to avoid any kind of free exchange of ideas. The truth is that the media is also made of people) so that you can be more easily conquered. The globalists might have even been using Russia as a way to undermine the nation. Remember the old Soviet threat "We will bury you without even firing a shot."? They have all the infiltration techniques to be able to bring down nations from the inside. I am not saying they are the ones doing this per se, but the technique is working well anyway. Trump is also balooning the national deficit like no other president has ever done. His fake economic growth is based on MASSIVE debt and the stock market is artificially being pumped by the Fed and also the corps who are buying back their own stocks. I really feel Trump will help trigger an economic collapse of immense proportions.
 
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