The TRUE BIBLICAL TRUTH; Esau will fall, Jacob will rise

[Lisa]

Thinks Jesus is going to come back to commit genocide. Poor girl hasn't understood a thing.

Jesus is going to come back and wipe out the people who are trying to kill the Jews...

 

[LittleLady]

Humans are not ice cream. Ice cream does not suffer if you do not choose it. Human beings are sentient, they live and suffer. So arbitrarily choosing certain people and letting others suffer could not be the attribute of a truly loving Deity.

The ice cream was an example. Well, I don't know what to tell you. God still chose the Israelites over all Nations.

2 Esdras 6:56-57 "As for the other people, which also come of Adam, thou hast said that they are nothing, but be like unto spittle: and hast likened the abundance of them unto a drop that falleth from a vessel."

Matthew 15:24 "I was only sent to the lost sheep of ISRAEL."

So God values his people over everyone else. In fact, that 1/3 elect of his will be the only group that'll get the Kingdom for eternity. The Edomites and people of other Nations who aren't Israelites will be their slaves during the Millennium since the elect were back in the days, and actually right now since we're living in a spiritual Egypt.

Hey, an eye for an eye as I've been saying this entire time. If you are a White person, or a perosn who isn't an Israelite, then blame your forefathers, they left you a tab. Now you have a debt to pay. I might as well tell you now. If you are angry with this, I suggest you handle it elsewhere.

Christianity teaches that God is a loving God for everyone, and that everyone is welcome to the kingdom, all happiness and sunshine- no, the kingdom only belongs to his elect just as the laws were. So by your statement, you're partially correct. He isn't loving- to EVERYONE, but he is to his elect.

And if I were you, I would enjoy THIS earthly kingdom before my time comes, because the days are intentionally moving by fast for the sake of his elect.

 

[shankara]

The ice cream was an example. Well, I don't know what to tell you. God still chose the Israelites over all Nations.

2 Esdras 6:56-57 "As for the other people, which also come of Adam, thou hast said that they are nothing, but be like unto spittle: and hast likened the abundance of them unto a drop that falleth from a vessel."

Matthew 15:24 "I was only sent to the lost sheep of ISRAEL."

So God values his people over everyone else. In fact, that 1/3 elect of his will be the only group that'll get the Kingdom for eternity. The Edomites and people of other Nations who aren't Israelites will be their slaves during the Millennium since the elect were back in the days, and actually right now since we're living in a spiritual Egypt.

Hey, an eye for an eye as I've been saying this entire time. If you are a White person, or a perosn who isn't an Israelite, then blame your forefathers, they left you a tab. Now you have a debt to pay. I might as well tell you now. If you are angry with this, I suggest you handle it elsewhere.

Christianity teaches that God is a loving God for everyone, and that everyone is welcome to the kingdom, all happiness and sunshine- no, the kingdom only belongs to his elect just as the laws were. So by your statement, you're partially correct. He isn't loving- to EVERYONE, but he is to his elect.

And if I were you, I would enjoy THIS earthly kingdom before my time comes, because the days are intentionally moving by fast for the sake of his elect.

You can interpret just about any message you want from the Bible if you twist it the right way. A God who loves some and hates others would not be worthy of any kind of worship or adoration, it would be a tyrant, a demiurge. It's true that white people do bear some of the karma of their forefathers, that our wealth and comfort descend from colonialism and slavery. But that doesn't disqualify us from progressing spiritually.

Anyway your attitude is just another version of the "believers are saved and everyone else goes to hell" narrative of Christianity, spiritually immature, illogical and dogmatic.

 

[pescatarian09]

This can't be serious. Practically all those translations prior to the 11th century were done by the hands of Christian monks. Who do you think knew the Greek at that time?

Islamic world contributions to Medieval Europe - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In the Middle East, many classical Greek texts, especially the works of Aristotle, were translated into Syriac during the 6th and 7th centuries by Nestorian, Melkite or Jacobite monks living in Palestine, or by Greek exiles from Athens or Edessa who visited Islamic centres of higher learning. The Islamic world then kept, translated, and developed many of these texts, especially in centers of learning such as Baghdad, where a "House of Wisdom" with thousands of manuscripts existed as early as 832. These texts were in turn translated into Latin by scholars such as Michael Scot (who made translations of Historia Animalium and On the Soul as well as of Averroes's commentaries)[7] during the Middle Ages.[1] Eastern Christians played an important role in exploiting this knowledge, especially through the Christian Aristotelian School of Baghdad in the 11th and 12th centuries.

Later Latin translations of these texts originated in multiple places. Toledo, Spain (with Gerard of Cremona's Almagest) and Sicily became the main points of transmission of knowledge from the Islamic world to Europe.[8] Burgundio of Pisa (died 1193) discovered lost texts of Aristotle in Antioch and translated them into Latin.

Europe and the Islamic World

A sweeping history of Islam and the West from the seventh century to todayEurope and the Islamic World sheds much-needed light on the shared roots of Islamic and Western cultures and on the richness of their inextricably intertwined histories, refuting once and for all the misguided notion of a...

books.google.co.uk

pg 88

 

[Lisa]

if you twist it the right way.

And..she does!

 

[LittleLady]

You can interpret just about any message you want from the Bible if you twist it the right way. A God who loves some and hates others would not be worthy of any kind of worship or adoration, it would be a tyrant, a demiurge. It's true that white people do bear some of the karma of their forefathers, that our wealth and comfort descend from colonialism and slavery. But that doesn't disqualify us from progressing spiritually.

Anyway your attitude is just another version of the "believers are saved and everyone else goes to hell" narrative of Christianity, spiritually immature, illogical and dogmatic.

"You can interpret just about any message you want from the Bible if you twist it the right way."

Shouldn't be twisting anything at all, just read it, study it, pray, and there you go. It would be wrong to twist the scriptures ANY kind of way.

Well, I just gave you the verses including the verses from my main post. If you don't believe it, oh well, it's still going to happen.

Also, you're partially right again. Only the Israelites are supposed to worship him, not anybody else! So anyone here who isn't an Israelite, you might as well not bother since this is your kingdom as we speak.

It does disqualify you from progressing spiritually because clearly, God will wipe all Edomites and people of other Nations out after the thousand years with FIRE. That's why I suggest you just enjoy this kingdom while it lasts, this is an inevitable fate. And I'm not saying this out of pride, or negativity. I'm just thinking, "Why not just tell them?" At least you'll know ahead of time.

In Christianity, isn't that what your belief is anyway? All believers are saved, but everyone else perish? If you can't even accept that part of what YOU believe in, then I see why you can't accept what I'm saying.

 

[Lisa]

It would be wrong to twist the scriptures ANY kind of way.

Then STOP doing it!

 

[Artful Revealer]

Jesus is going to come back and wipe out the people who are trying to kill the Jews...

Ah, so your Jesus is going to commit genocide. Gotcha.

Let me put you in the same jar as LittleLady.

 

[Lisa]

Ah, so your Jesus is going to commit genocide. Gotcha.

Let me put you in the same jar as LittleLady.

Revelation‬ ‭19:12-19‬ ‭​

His eyes are a flame of fire, and on His head are many diadems; and He has a name written on Him which no one knows except Himself. He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. And the armies which are in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, were following Him on white horses. From His mouth comes a sharp sword, so that with it He may strike down the nations, and He will rule them with a rod of iron; and He treads the wine press of the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty. And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written, “KING OF KINGS, AND Lord OF LORDS.” Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out with a loud voice, saying to all the birds which fly in midheaven, “Come, assemble for the great supper of God, so that you may eat the flesh of kings and the flesh of commanders and the flesh of mighty men and the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them and the flesh of all men, both free men and slaves, and small and great.” And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies assembled to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army.

Revelation 19:12-19 His eyes are a flame of fire, and on His head are many diadems; and He has a name written on Him which no one knows except Himself. He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called Th | New American Standard Bible - NASB 1995 (NASB1995) | Download The Bible App Now

His eyes are a flame of fire, and on His head are many diadems; and He has a name written on Him which no one knows except Himself. He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called Th

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[shankara]

"You can interpret just about any message you want from the Bible if you twist it the right way."

Shouldn't be twisting anything at all, just read it, study it, pray, and there you go. It would be wrong to twist the scriptures ANY kind of way.

Well, I just gave you the verses including the verses from my main post. If you don't believe it, oh well, it's still going to happen.

Also, you're partially right again. Only the Israelites are supposed to worship him, not anybody else! So anyone here who isn't an Israelite, you might as well not bother since this is your kingdom as we speak.

It does disqualify you from progressing spiritually because clearly, God will wipe all Edomites and people of other Nations out after the thousand years with FIRE. That's why I suggest you just enjoy this kingdom while it lasts, this is an inevitable fate. And I'm not saying this out of pride, or negativity. I'm just thinking, "Why not just tell them?" At least you'll know ahead of time.

In Christianity, isn't that what your belief is anyway? All believers are saved, but everyone else perish? If you can't even accept that part of what YOU believe in, then I see why you can't accept what I'm saying.

I'm not a Christian, hence why my avatar is a Tibetan flag and my signature Tibetan mantras. Dharmic religions are the only ones that make sense to me personally, though that's not to say that other religions don't also have some positive effects on the world.

Anyway what you are saying isn't really any crazier than the evangelicals with their literalist interpretations (of those parts of the Bible they don't just ignore). Nonetheless it is still absurd and racist.

 

[KoncreteMind]

Lol you have the same religion as the people that own viacom and interpret it in the same way. You just dispute who the “chosen people” are. I interpret the scriptures as Jesus taught them, not by the hypocritical Pharisees and Babylonian black magic Talmud. Your misinterpretation or the law condemned all the prophets of Israel to death and finally Jesus Christ himself, because it is a creation of the minds of men, a worship of the material world, and ignorance of all things spiritual. Simple as brother. Like I said we eont see eye to eye so I was happy to say all the best wishes to you and not need to go back and forth meaninglessly.
]nah I don’t reject the old testament at all, only the Babylonian Talmudic interpretation of it that was strongly propagated by the zionists, JacobIan frankists, and others that you get your interpretations from. Actually I don’t know what you believe because you never offer a positive position, you only criticize others. But I assume it is this.
i accept the Kabbalistic interpretations of the scriptures, and also the interpretations given by Jesus Christ, which differed greatly from the Pharisees or as he called them children of the devil

You're free to leave at anytime of course. I just thought at the time, and now really, that you're bowing out without addressing the scriptures brought. I believe the Most High has a CHOSEN group of people. If you're going to say thats racist or wrong, then address Deuteronomy 7:6 WITHIN the context of when it was said. Dont just run to the NT and say that even though AT THAT TIME God was talking to a lineage, that now that lineage doesnt matter anymore and its talking to the spirit. If you're going to say that, then say you dont believe the OT like Art.

But all the talmud/satanic/black magic accusations? Its you saying you dont like what the OT says. Which is exactly what it takes to be a christian anyways...

 

[LittleLady]

You're free to leave at anytime of course. I just thought at the time, and now really, that you're bowing out without addressing the scriptures brought. I believe the Most High has a CHOSEN group of people. If you're going to say thats racist or wrong, then address Deuteronomy 7:6 WITHIN the context of when it was said. Dont just run to the NT and say that even though AT THAT TIME God was talking to a lineage, that now that lineage doesnt matter anymore and its talking to the spirit. If you're going to say that, then say you dont believe the OT like Art.

But all the talmud/satanic/black magic accusations? Its you saying you dont like what the OT says. Which is exactly what it takes to be a christian anyways...

You know, I still wish you would repent since you know all of this.

 

[KoncreteMind]

The point was proven, even though you're pretending that it wasn't (while likewise pretending that "when" indicates past tense). You were even shown how the prophecy in Hosea 11:1 will be fulfilled yet again in the not-to-distant future, as Israel has sold itself back into slavery (Egypt) for a third time.

It's a testament to how sick/insane this world really is, that someone can argue against a prophecy that has already been fulfilled in exact and minute detail multiple times, all because they don't understand the English language and yet arrogantly believe they know better than God. No wonder Christ questioned whether He would find faith on Earth upon His Second Coming, during these end-times.

God Bless.

"When Israel was a child"

Past tense only. Imagine if you read the whole bible like that lol

Jeremiah 7:22
For in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, I did not speak to your fathers or command them concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices.

This is a prophecy too huh? Even though both verses are referring to specific events in the past we can just superimpose them to refer to events in the future? And based on what exactly? Not a thing.

Another thing though, hop off the pedestal because you really dont have one to stand on. Its like a woman who follows the commandments to the T but goes and tries to become a Levite priest and do their duties. Once she does that, all her righteousness is for nothing. What am I saying? Stop trying to play someone elses duty. Thats not yours..

 

[lightseeker]

You're free to leave at anytime of course. I just thought at the time, and now really, that you're bowing out without addressing the scriptures brought. I believe the Most High has a CHOSEN group of people. If you're going to say thats racist or wrong, then address Deuteronomy 7:6 WITHIN the context of when it was said. Dont just run to the NT and say that even though AT THAT TIME God was talking to a lineage, that now that lineage doesnt matter anymore and its talking to the spirit. If you're going to say that, then say you dont believe the OT like Art.

But all the talmud/satanic/black magic accusations? Its you saying you dont like what the OT says. Which is exactly what it takes to be a christian anyways...

Read the rest of the paragraph

“he is the faithful God, keeping his covenant of love to a thousand generations of those who love him and keep his commandments.10 But

those who hate him he will repay to their face by destruction;
he will not be slow to repay to their face those who hate him.
11 Therefore, take care to follow the commands, decrees and laws I give you today.”

The condition given is those who hate God, and those who love God. Being of a certain tribe or lineage matters absolutely zero, nada, nothing, if you don’t love God, same for those not of that tribe and that love God it follows. Those who hate God, no matter their skin colour or lineage, God will repay with destruction. Not too complicated, you just had to read one more paragraph.

yea the context of the time was important, because Israel was the only nation that worshipped the one God. When the rest of the world started to worship the one God after the messiah came, as was prophecied, of course that changed. It’s actually quite simple scripturally

like I said before a covenant is a two way promise, that’s t he definition. You keep your end, I keep mine. You don’t keep your end aka you don’t follow God and love him, the contract is null and void. That is how it’s presented here too, those that loveGod andthose that hate him, two classes of person

 

[Resistor]

Fair enough. But it’s not me thinking these things, it’s jews, that’s why I ask. Talmudic rabbis in israel, the top rabbis, say that the most unrighteous and sinful Jew is better than the best goy.

But even the most elementary reading of the Torah will show that to be an antithesis of what the Torah says. YHWH does not take lightly to those who go out sinning on purpose, YHWH doesn't prioritize one people's righteousness over another. The role of the Jewish people as chosen to fulfill God's covenant has no baring on this fact.

 

[Resistor]

The Zohar is the foundational work of Kabbalah. You ascribe it to Moses de Leon, a Spanish Rabbi, who himself ascribed it to Simon bar Yochai, another Rabbi, yet you insist Kabbalah doesn't have Jewish roots.

Do you want to learn?

YES or NO?

Do you want to continue to be an ignoramus?

YES or NO?

Straight answers, no beating around the bush.

 

[Artful Revealer]

Do you want to learn?

YES or NO?

Do you want to continue to be an ignoramus?

YES or NO?

Straight answers, no beating around the bush.

Go ahead, make my day.

 

[lightseeker]

But even the most elementary reading of the Torah will show that to be an antithesis of what the Torah says. YHWH does not take lightly to those who go out sinning on purpose, YHWH doesn't prioritize one people's righteousness over another. The role of the Jewish people as chosen to fulfill God's covenant has no baring on this fact.

I agree and am aware that many Jewish people understand it in this way. There is, however, another point of view that I was addressing here that is very perverse, divisive, and untrue is all

 

[Resistor]

Go ahead, make my day.

Can't even answer two simple YES or NO questions, typical.
If you are persistent with the "NO" answer which you strongly allude to in your reply (as you consistently have been in your posts), then I will not be bothering with anything you regurgitate.


(edit; I linked him some pdfs)

 

[Artful Revealer]

You ask "Do you want to learn?"

I say "Go ahead."

Then you say this?

Can't even answer two simple YES or NO questions, typical.
If you are persistent with the "NO" answer which you strongly allude to in your reply (as you consistently have been in your posts), then I will not be bothering with anything you regurgitate.

So are you going to give us your explanation as to why Kabbalah is Greek of origin, not Jewish?