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RainDownPlane

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Elvis wasnt performing in the nude my man..........
Analogy, bro. Eilish isn't nude, either. But she's evil. If strict parents from the 50's could see her videos now, they'd say "Told you so! All that gyrating from Presley summoned the devil." And by unleashing the libido, maybe it did. If the moms who threw away fathers' Playboys could see PornHub now, they'd say "Told you so!" But it could have stopped at Playboy. The hardcore porn could have stayed in secret corners of the fringe. The libido of society in general could've been capped. Capped at fairly normal levels. Like Elvis and boobies. Or at the very least, capped at troublesome but not downright deranged levels. Zeppelin did not have to lead to Slayer and Ministry, etc. Deep Throat for perverted adults did not have to turn into transgender tentacle bukkake for tweens.
 






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I dont believe we evolved as you present here. Our human nature is still animal in some respects, and even animals dont generally just hump in the open. people are in a vulnerable state when doing so, and self-preservation instincts lead to a search for privacy when copulating. I also dont think its "normal" to desire watching others have sex. True, there are some tendencies that may be hardwired into us for whatever reason.... but Im concerned w/my own sexuality and sexual satisfaction, not others. Wish everyone a happy, healthy sex life, but other than that it really aint none of my biz.

All those freakshow fetishes you listed are the new norm for porn, not bow-chicka-wow-wow-groovy-harry-hippie 70s porn. That world of porn is dead and gone, and I feel its important to note that those (by comparison of modern materials) seemingly harmless in hindsight productions are what paved the way for where we are now. Its a degenerate form of prostitution/pimping and social engineering. Point blank.
After a small search I agree that humans have never copulated in public. Among Native American tribes, when a couple wanted privacy they would go off far in the woods. Cool, huh? Voyeurism is not normal or healthy in any way. I'm willing to guess that every spiritual teacher who's ever lived would be against watching other people have sex.

@RainDownPlane makes a good point,- how do we begin a conversation as a society about the prevalence of pornography, that it could at least be dialed back? The industry is so far out of control, it has to be reigned in. If it exists then let there be some type of oversight. The groups speaking at colleges and educating the public is a great start. I hope more people will start questioning the individuals who make or finance porn. They will be called out as people become more informed. E.M. Jones has a few strong opinions but he brings up some important parts of the history :

"Over the course of the 1980s, Americans witnessed the simultaneous de-criminalization of usury and pornography. Usury and pornography go hand in hand. The ultimate result of the moral deregulation which took place beginning in the 1970s was massive student loan debt and massive addiction to pornography, which the Cato Institute justified to distract newly enslaved college graduates from the fact that they will never pay off their debts.

In 1986, the Meese Commission made significant inroads in trying to stop pornography, but government could not keep up with the combination of technological innovation and libertarian ideology which used free speech to justify pornography. In 1989, Reuben Sturman ended up going to jail after setting up a series of pornographic film houses, but the film loop he pioneered became obsolete with the invention of the VCR, and VHS tapes became obsolete with the opening up of the Internet. At that point Hollywood produced two pro-porn propaganda films—Boogie Nights and The People vs. Larry Flynt—and the government under the direction of Bill Clinton, a man who had difficulty controlling his passions, passed the misnamed Communications Decency Act, which effectively ended government efforts to prosecute obscenity.

Contrary to the freedom which Larry Flynt and the libertarians promised, the result of the de facto decriminalization of pornography was, as St. Augustine could have predicted, an exponential increase in addiction, which is the modern term for slavery to sin. Predictably, the media outlets under oligarchic control said that addiction to pornography was a myth. Reporting on “Fascinating, rigorous new research,” Psychology Today announced that there is no scientific evidence to support the claim that “sex addiction is real.” That claim flies in the face of the fact that a Google search of the terms “porn” and “addiction” yields 67,000,000 results."
 






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After a small search I agree that humans have never copulated in public. Among Native American tribes, when a couple wanted privacy they would go off far in the woods. Cool, huh? Voyeurism is not normal or healthy in any way. I'm willing to guess that every spiritual teacher who's ever lived would be against watching other people have sex.

@RainDownPlane makes a good point,- how do we begin a conversation as a society about the prevalence of pornography, that it could at least be dialed back? The industry is so far out of control, it has to be reigned in. If it exists then let there be some type of oversight. The groups speaking at colleges and educating the public is a great start. I hope more people will start questioning the individuals who make or finance porn. They will be called out as people become more informed. E.M. Jones has a few strong opinions but he brings up some important parts of the history :

"Over the course of the 1980s, Americans witnessed the simultaneous de-criminalization of usury and pornography. Usury and pornography go hand in hand. The ultimate result of the moral deregulation which took place beginning in the 1970s was massive student loan debt and massive addiction to pornography, which the Cato Institute justified to distract newly enslaved college graduates from the fact that they will never pay off their debts.

In 1986, the Meese Commission made significant inroads in trying to stop pornography, but government could not keep up with the combination of technological innovation and libertarian ideology which used free speech to justify pornography. In 1989, Reuben Sturman ended up going to jail after setting up a series of pornographic film houses, but the film loop he pioneered became obsolete with the invention of the VCR, and VHS tapes became obsolete with the opening up of the Internet. At that point Hollywood produced two pro-porn propaganda films—Boogie Nights and The People vs. Larry Flynt—and the government under the direction of Bill Clinton, a man who had difficulty controlling his passions, passed the misnamed Communications Decency Act, which effectively ended government efforts to prosecute obscenity.

Contrary to the freedom which Larry Flynt and the libertarians promised, the result of the de facto decriminalization of pornography was, as St. Augustine could have predicted, an exponential increase in addiction, which is the modern term for slavery to sin. Predictably, the media outlets under oligarchic control said that addiction to pornography was a myth. Reporting on “Fascinating, rigorous new research,” Psychology Today announced that there is no scientific evidence to support the claim that “sex addiction is real.” That claim flies in the face of the fact that a Google search of the terms “porn” and “addiction” yields 67,000,000 results."
A solid post, Im going to look a few things up before i reply, but thanks for giving some genuine food for thought here.
 






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RainDownPlane makes a good point,- how do we begin a conversation as a society about the prevalence of pornography, that it could at least be dialed back? The industry is so far out of control, it has to be reigned in.
I made a thread abt the rise of stds and the difference between america and the uk is staggering. Sex education and cultural differences play a major role in that. Another poster from the uk expanded on it.
You americans preach abstinence only, yet yall have the highest rates of teen pregnancy amgst christian communities and your std rates are skyrocketting. Clutch your pearls at nudity, yet have the largest porn industry in the world. So there is smthg to be said there.
That's why I mentionned sex education earlier on this thread, not to say kids are stupid but if you teach them early on to associate sexuality with sin, they're not gonna grow up to have a healthy relationship with their bodies or explore their sexuality in a healthy way.

Also misogyny is a huge element in porn. In porn you see the woman's body being ravaged and brutalized. When the human body, especially the female body is wrapped in shame and is considered profane in nature. The goal of patriarchy is to repress women, porn is about male domination.

Ironically in the places where they are the most adamant in the suppression of sexuality is where it comes out in its most debased, deviant forms.
 






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I made a thread abt the rise of stds and the difference between america and the uk is staggering. Sex education and cultural differences play a major role in that. Another poster from the uk expanded on it.
You americans preach abstinence only, yet yall have the highest rates of teen pregnancy amgst christian communities and your std rates are skyrocketting. Clutch your pearls at nudity, yet have the largest porn industry in the world. So there is smthg to be said there.
That's why I mentionned sex education earlier on this thread, not to say kids are stupid but if you teach them early on to associate sexuality with sin, they're not gonna grow up to have a healthy relationship with their bodies or explore their sexuality in a healthy way.

Also misogyny is a huge element in porn. In porn you see the woman's body being ravaged and brutalized. When the human body, especially the female body is wrapped in shame and is considered profane in nature. The goal of patriarchy is to repress women, porn is about male domination.

Ironically in the places where they are the most adamant in the suppression of sexuality is where it comes out in its most debased, deviant forms.
Although I agree with much of what you are saying I'm going to have a hard time taking you seriously about the treatment of women until you change your avatar picture...LOL!
 






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"Also misogyny is a huge element in porn. In porn you see the woman's body being ravaged and brutalized. When the human body, especially the female body is wrapped in shame and is considered profane in nature. The goal of patriarchy is to repress women, porn is about male domination."

Lesbian porn made by lesbians for lesbians is about male domination?

You do also realize how often the word "ravaged" appears in the soft core harlequin porn women themselves read, right? Turns out a lot of women like the idea of being ravaged. Maybe it's a byproduct of millennia of patriarchal domination, maybe a certain type of masochism has been selected for. But it is what it is.

Christian girls probably get pregnant more than you'd think simply because they have fewer abortions. Besides, the peer pressure from a degenerate society is stronger than a crippled Christian superego. And anyway, lots of Christian girls are practicing sodomy now because it's not "real" sex, so pregnancy isn't even a reliable measure.

You mention STDs and yet you assert that we shouldn't stigmatize sex at all. You sure about that?
 






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Lesbian porn made by lesbians for lesbians is about male domination?
Lesbian porn is not made by lesbians for lesbians lol it's common knowledge it's made for straight men but is ironically more popular with straight women.

You do also realize how often the word "ravaged" appears in the soft core harlequin porn women themselves read, right? Turns out a lot of women like the idea of being ravaged. Maybe it's a byproduct of millennia of patriarchal domination, maybe a certain type of masochism has been selected for. But it is what it is.
I agree with this, you only have to look at the popularity of the dumpster fire that was 50 Shades of Gray.
 






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The porn industry is just more controlled social conditioning. The fact that it is not regulated on the internet and widely available to anyone regardless of age, proves it serves a purpose. That purpose is to normalize debauchery, sodomy, incest, infidelity, p***philia and bestiality. It's also there to make men weak physically, mentally and spiritually. The ultimate goal is to destroy the family, destroy our God given unique male/female identity and blur the lines of sexual age appropriateness.
Not just men though, Women watch pornography as well
 






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"Lesbian porn is not made by lesbians for lesbians lol it's common knowledge it's made for straight men but is ironically more popular with straight women."

Much or most lesbian porn is produced for male tastes, but no, there is also a vibrant porn subculture of lesbian porn made by and for lesbians. By and for women, at least. Zero to do with the male gaze. All about the female gaze. Turns out the two gazes aren't all that different. Women love sex, too, for mostly the same reasons.
 






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"Lesbian porn is not made by lesbians for lesbians lol it's common knowledge it's made for straight men but is ironically more popular with straight women."

Much or most lesbian porn is produced for male tastes, but no, there is also a vibrant porn subculture of lesbian porn made by and for lesbians. By and for women, at least. Zero to do with the male gaze. All about the female gaze. Turns out the two gazes aren't all that different. Women love sex, too, for mostly the same reasons.
Well yes but I was referring to mainstream porn.
 






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"Lesbian porn is not made by lesbians for lesbians lol it's common knowledge it's made for straight men but is ironically more popular with straight women."

Much or most lesbian porn is produced for male tastes, but no, there is also a vibrant porn subculture of lesbian porn made by and for lesbians. By and for women, at least. Zero to do with the male gaze. All about the female gaze. Turns out the two gazes aren't all that different. Women love sex, too, for mostly the same reasons.
I dont know how to say this delicately..... if they are inserting anything or utilizing phallic instruments and penetration of any kind, its not really "lesbian" activity is it? Just pointing out the absurdity of females replicating mens sexual organs with replacements in order to feel empowered.
 






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I dont know how to say this delicately..... if they are inserting anything or utilizing phallic instruments and penetration of any kind, its not really "lesbian" activity is it? Just pointing out the absurdity of females replicating mens sexual organs with replacements in order to feel empowered.
Well, let's be more indelicate in order to be more precise. Yes, there's some of that. But there's always been some of that. The world's oldest sex toys are human fingers. You realize it's easier for most women to have orgasms via the clitoris, right?
 






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I dont know how to say this delicately..... if they are inserting anything or utilizing phallic instruments and penetration of any kind, its not really "lesbian" activity is it? Just pointing out the absurdity of females replicating mens sexual organs with replacements in order to feel empowered.
Don't many straight men also use phallic toys or fingers for prostate stimulation? Quite popular I'm told. (I'm not a lesbian, I'm just curious because for some or other reason men who say this about lesbians usually also say when males do it or doesn't count as mimicking gay sex which is confusing and self-contradicting logic tbh)
 






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Don't many straight men also use phallic toys or fingers for prostate stimulation? Quite popular I'm told. (I'm not a lesbian, I'm just curious because for some or other reason men who say this about lesbians usually also say when males do it or doesn't count as mimicking gay sex which is confusing and self-contradicting logic tbh)
I havent heard of that being actually practiced by anyone, although if furries has a sexual-subculture, suppose this could as well. Does not seem very prevalent of a fetish though......
 






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I havent heard of that being actually practiced by anyone, although if furries has a sexual-subculture, suppose this could as well. Does not seem very prevalent of a fetish though......
That's so weird. I thought it was a very common practice -I've heard so many men say it was superior to uh, traditional sex and I've seen gay men use it as proof men were anatomically designed for homosexual activity. There are literally entire threads and websites dedicated to it lol.
 






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That's so weird. I thought it was a very common practice -I've heard so many men say it was superior to uh, traditional sex and I've seen gay men use it as proof men were anatomically designed for homosexual activity. There are literally entire threads and websites dedicated to it lol.
There are entire threads devoted to coverage of the lizard peoples imminent hostile takeover of the world, I dont give those much credence either. Im not Dr. Phil/Ruth or etc and the topic aint came up much for sure lol but I have never really heard a male advocate for this kind of sexual activity.
 






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That's so weird. I thought it was a very common practice -I've heard so many men say it was superior to uh, traditional sex and I've seen gay men use it as proof men were anatomically designed for homosexual activity. There are literally entire threads and websites dedicated to it lol.
I must live a sheltered life, because I have never even heard of that practice among hetrosexual males.
 






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I must live a sheltered life, because I have never even heard of that practice among hetrosexual males.
Might just be a (unfortunate) predilection of my generation of men then, I guess. I used to have a Reddit account and the men's subreddit was almost always filled with discussions about it.
 






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