METAPHYSICAL OBJECTS OF POWER DISCUSSION

[EMVIGOCIT37]

CRYSTALS AMULETS TALISMANS DIVINATION TOOLS SCI FICTION OR REALITY?

 

[JoChris]

The objects themselves do not have power. The power comes from excessive self-belief/ confidence / autohypnosis AND/OR deception by spiritual forces.

There are plenty of stories online from ex-occultists who explain the dangers.

 

[Camidria]

I can tell you a testimony of how this works. There was a couple that were doing great in their lives financially and had a trip to Mexico as a holiday, they bought two statues of beggars there. As soon as they got home for the next few years everything financial in their lives fell apart, they couldn't understand if so they fasted and prayed and asked Jesus to reveal to them why it was going so bad financially. On the third day they herd two very loud bangs as something broke into millions of pieces in their bedroom, and something else shattered in their living room. When they went to look it was the statues...

They later found out that in Mexico people are very poor, so as they make these statues they pray over them and a demonic spirit of poverty is attached to these statues, when you bring them in your home the demon will wreak havoc on your finances....

It is the same concept with Crystals, Amulets, Talismans and Divination Tools. A demon that does certian things will be attached to the object that gives it legal right into your life and will do certian things to deceive you like offer you "protection". But n the other hand they will wreak havoc on things in your life that will help destroy you and make you turn away from Jeshua / Jesus, or sink deeper in these things to be blinded by them....

 

[Lady]

In a similar story, not as dramatic as yours, Cam, another statue formed to resemble an angel was purchased by one homeowner.
This statue was knocked over accidentally and as a result, partially cracked revealing another figure beneath.
The homeowner investigated by chipping off more of the outer figurine to find a another complete statue in the form of a gargoyle/demon.
There are a couple plausible explanations, but I would not be all that surprised to hear that this "demon statue" was cloaked by another form and sold in a marketplace for some dark purpose.

 

[Aero]

The danger is real. Any object can be turned into a deadly weapon, or outright destroyed with thought forms. You have been warned

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

OK, at the risk of overcooking this one, I had a friend in halls at uni who had started to have some scary spiritual experiences. I offered to pray over her room and it turned out that since she had been given some runestones she had started to see faces looking out at her in mirrors etc. She was an 'anything goes' New Age type (no offence intended) so had thought nothing of it. Anyway, I rebuked the spirit, she saw a face dissapear, and we threw the stones away.

My point is this. Satan is a PR specialist and a deceiver. There are a thousand intriguing paths, idols and 'magical' objects, 'ascended masters' and spirit guides queuing up to distract you and deceive you.

Matthew 7:13-14

13 “Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many.14 For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few

 

[Lady]

You have that right, sir!

God, our Deliverer, from ourselves!

 

[God_Is_Formless]

CRYSTALS AMULETS TALISMANS DIVINATION TOOLS SCI FICTION OR REALITY?

Any thing can be a means whereby positivity/negativity be derived from it
It all depends on The Higher Power
If He Wills you to derive pleasure from a woman's companionship, so it will be
Otherwise, you might just want to kill her too, because if He So Wills, you will enjoy her bad side

Truth is, any thing can be either good or bad
If you are thankful enough to Him, maybe you will always enjoy the good side of practically every material thing
And only be tested by The Almighty through other ways like for example, Joseph being tested through his brothers' jealousy

I have learned to not really attach myself to any thing in particular, because sooner or later, you may end up losing it
I remember being very actively exuberant on the previous vc forum, and i was rewarded by being banned, maybe i was to be blamed too for my over-eccentricity, which only goes to say, that If He Wills, your own self can become destructive to your happiness
With that said, i am glad that i am now a more balanced individual and i pray to Him to guide me at each and every step forever

Hi Lady

 

[Lady]

Any thing can be a means whereby positivity/negativity be derived from it
It all depends on The Higher Power
If He Wills you to derive pleasure from a woman's companionship, so it will be
Otherwise, you might just want to kill her too, because if He So Wills, you will enjoy her bad side

Truth is, any thing can be either good or bad
If you are thankful enough to Him, maybe you will always enjoy the good side of practically every material thing
And only be tested by The Almighty through other ways like for example, Joseph being tested through his brothers' jealousy

I have learned to not really attach myself to any thing in particular, because sooner or later, you may end up losing it
I remember being very actively exuberant on the previous vc forum, and i was rewarded by being banned, maybe i was to be blamed too for my over-eccentricity, which only goes to say, that If He Wills, your own self can become destructive to your happiness
With that said, i am glad that i am now a more balanced individual and i pray to Him to guide me at each and every step forever

Hi Lady

Well, hello, SOG/GIF!
Um, did not God command us not to kill? Come on, even the poetic side of yourself has to admit you made a creepy statement with that "woman's companionship" comment!

 

[God_Is_Formless]

In a manner of speaking,
Concerning what i personally experienced,
I never laid a hand on my ex-gf, God Be Praised.

 

[Lady]

In a manner of speaking,
Concerning what i personally experienced,
I never laid a hand on my ex-gf, God Be Praised.

That is a good thing. I don't want to entertain abusers!

 

[God_Is_Formless]

Haha, my dear Lady
I am certainly not one to abuse
Truthful to all, sadly
A misunderstood too often recluse

 

[UnspokenSoliloquy]

Never had anything that caused anything in my home personally, but my mom has a bunch of statues a collection of them actually they are just of people no creatures or anything and their used for decoration. only one person Ive ever heard had a issue with it saying it was creepy but nothing weird happens in her house I guess because she doesn't do anything with them. The only other strange thing was bought something from the store that had Buddhist connections. It really bothered me and I explained what they were, she didn't know and we threw them out ,but still nothing weird happened. I think Aero is right if you put some kind of thought forms or "faith" in them then they can wreak havoc.

I will say though be careful of what you play in your home as a teen I used to have alot of dreams some would show me things that hadn't happen yet or things to be weary of in my everyday life. One night I watched The Muppet Movie in my room I fell asleep during it and I woke up at the end where they were playing classic 80's rock. I went back to sleep because I was too tired to watch In my dream that night I saw a gargoyle like creature,a statue, next to my bed on the nightstand I tried to get it to move but it wouldn't move it came because of the music. I wasnt listening to the music but because it played through the movie. Eventually it flew away when I prayed. In my teens I was a strong Christian I used to have dreams all the time of my fighting demons or seeing these things that looked like people but I could tell they weren't humans in my dreams or I would learn stuff through my dreams that no one ever had to teach me or that I learned through the Bible.

I do know from what I've experience that atmosphere is important and I've heard my pastor tell a story about a Bruce Lee poster he bought (he loves Bruce Lee) and how when he brought it into his home and he notice one day how it looked like the eyes moved. The Holy Spirit revealed to him that there was a demon in the poster because the people who had it before used to worship Bruce Lee through the poster so of course he had to get rid of it.

 

[JoChris]

Never had anything that caused anything in my home personally, but my mom has a bunch of statues a collection of them actually they are just of people no creatures or anything and their used for decoration. only one person Ive ever heard had a issue with it saying it was creepy but nothing weird happens in her house I guess because she doesn't do anything with them.

Many years ago my husband was overseas in East Timor he bought a wooden tribal face mask. The same night he had very weird dreams like he'd never had before. He's an atheist so he just dismissed that as nothing.

I personally have always disliked it but it is his, and a memento of his army posting over there. When we moved to our current house he put it upstairs where I normally am and I felt black moods more intensely. This was over many months. I found myself thinking very self-destructively and occasionally felt like it was looking at me. I didn't see anything change in its appearance ever though. I also prayed for spiritual protection from negative influences and played online Christian sermons and talks whenever he was/ isn't home.

I eventually asked for him to put it downstairs and the feelings went back to normal setting. I wouldn't be at all surprised if some type of spirit etc. is attached to it. I still don't think the *object itself* has any power though.

 

[Camidria]

I still don't think the *object itself* has any power though.

I agree, the object itself cannot have any power, the familiar spirit that causes these feeling needs to attach itself or be attached to the object just to give it legal right to be in the area where you put the object and cause the things it does to wreak havoc in a person's life.

 

[Aero]

Personally speaking I'm very sensitive to the thought forms of others. Some people would call me a psychic vampire, but I don't like the label much. I kind of have like vampire domains set up though.

My problem with this topic is people don't take it serious. I mean actual science can explain a lot of these phenomenon but most people are oblivious, and at risk I think. Jung taught about the "shadow" which is the subconscious representation of our repressed emotions. The shadow, and other archetypes when projected are very dangerous. Not only does violence and destruction occur, but the shadows can remain in the area. Continuing to do battle.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Personally speaking I'm very sensitive to the thought forms of others. Some people would call me a psychic vampire, but I don't like the label much. I kind of have like vampire domains set up though.

My problem with this topic is people don't take it serious. I mean actual science can explain a lot of these phenomenon but most people are oblivious, and at risk I think. Jung taught about the "shadow" which is the subconscious representation of our repressed emotions. The shadow, and other archetypes when projected are very dangerous. Not only does violence and destruction occur, but the shadows can remain in the area. Continuing to do battle.

Well Aero, at the risk of an 'Interview with a Vampire', I am intregued how the words 'scientific' and Jung pop up in the same paragraph?

 

[Aero]

Well Aero, at the risk of an 'Interview with a Vampire', I am intregued how the words 'scientific' and Jung pop up in the same paragraph?

His work in the psychoanalytical field was extensive. Everything science knows about the mind comes from Jung and Freud. Introvert, extrovert, archetypes. Freud called them primordial images. But I like the Jungian concepts better. I think Jung understood dream analysis better.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

I have also studied both fathers of modern psychology - what do you make of Jung's interest in the Occult? Would you interpret it as being the psychological equivalent of writing 'here be dragons' on a map where term 'occult' is merely a substitutionary term for the lack of knowledge of something beyond our reach?

 

[Aero]

I have also studied both fathers of modern psychology - what do you make of Jung's interest in the Occult? Would you interpret it as being the psychological equivalent of writing 'here be dragons' on a map where term 'occult' is merely a substitutionary term for the lack of knowledge of something beyond our reach?

Yeah I probably would actually. I think his interest in the Occult came from his subconscious, or the collective unconscious. Which is out of reach, but we can understand the symbols and gain knowledge from it.

It's not fresh in my brain but Lacan had a lot of ideas about the subconscious I like. He's hard to understand though