Kpop Satanic/Illuminati Influence

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Do you know something? I have tried to be polite and civil to you and I have tried to have reasonable conversation with you. Do you really think that because other sites accuse people of being gay? It’s okay for people here to do it too? Would you like it if someone speculated about your sexuality all over the internet without your consent? Just because they are public figures it’s okay to do that? You have no respect.
I tell you what those other sites don’t do.They don’t accuse idols of sacrificing each other or their parents or even grandparents like I have seen suggested here. The don’t accuse them of taking part in occultic rituals and symbolism. They don’t accuse them of being mind-controlled or speculate that an idol who is having a hiatus because of a health issue us absent because the other personality is out of control.
These are real people for heaven’s sake! Don’t you have any guilt about accusing them of such things? Don’t you understand that the reason JYP are taking action against people is because of the effect your rumours and speculation cause? Don’t you worry about vulnerable individuals who read your theories - people who perhaps have mental health issues - and are adversely affected by them? This is a public forum and anyone can read this stuff!
You are bullying these celebrities - whether you like how they live or not - and there are countries in the world where you actually could be prosecuted for what you write online! There are laws these days about what people are allowed to say about others online!
How would you feel if someone - celebrity or otherwise - committed suicide because of the abuse written on sites like these?
You don’t actually have any right to speculate about these things, as much as you think you do. You can’t accuse people of killing someone with absolutely no proof! That’s a horrible, horrible thing to do. It’s disrespectful to the person who died, as well as his family and friends. It also makes you look like very unpleasant people. No matter how much evidence you think you have. You don’t. It’s all speculation and it’s exceptionally dangerous. Don’t you have any respect for anyone, never mind yourselves!
I have as much right to object to it as you think you have to write it. I have tried to appeal to reason but none of you are open to hearing it. I have said this before and I’ll say it again. This is not a game. You are accusing people of very serious things and you have no right to do that!
What gives any of you the right to make assumptions about people or judge how they live their lives?
I found this forum via a completely unrelated google search. If I can see this, then so can anyone. The things you are posting are not harmless and it’s not just a place for you to share theories. When you are accusing people of killing or plotting to kill others, it’s a whole different thing. What kind of people actually post those things?
As I said, I tried to engage with you reasonably but none of you are capable of that. Instead of looking at others, you should have a long hard look at yourselves!
(((((Don’t you understand that the reason JYP are taking action against people is because of the effect your rumours and speculation cause? ))))

do you honestly believe JYP or any other Kpop companies does really care about there celebrities?
there are thousands of evidence upon abuses these companies have done to the celebrities, they don't at all care, the only thing that they care about is the money machine

((((Do you really think that because other sites accuse people of being gay? It’s okay for people here to do it too?))))
so again, you think its not ok, but this thing is done in every single Kpop website, concert etc..basically anything related to Kpop, Shipping idols was always part of Kpop, and there is no way the fans are going to stop, unless the idols themselves stops doing gay fan service

and AGAIN, do you think if you go to onehallyu website and tell them to stop saying Kpop stars are gays, do you think they are going to listen and stop? if you think they could listen, and they are more open minded, reasonable etc..then us here, then I suggest you go there, and try telling them that...Bcz whatever it is, no online forum are going to stop discussing what they are discussing just bcz of some member who came and telling them to stop, I bit they would be so rude to you, and would eat you, bcz I know that website, and also others Kpop websites...I suggest for you to try and tell them that
 






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I am feel sad for your illness and I hope you get well very soon so that you won't feel bad. For this opinion, I feel you're true cause my country almost does the same. Even I always got scared by my mom because she always told me to beware for this forum. The government will think that we're sharing bad influence. And I am little bit scared for this. You know that everyone always got monitored by government. And government can do anything even though we have said the truth... They can't know which one is true and false. This is K-industry which has so many propaganda. We're trying to tell the truth meanwhile other people or even government don't want to understand what happen... I hope you all understand my English :)
Thank you for your good wishes. Your English is very good. I don’t know what country you live in, but if you are worried that something may be misunderstood, then maybe it’s best not to write it. I’m sure your mum has your best interests at heart. Again, thank you.
 






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I do believe that abuse takes place is some companies. I know you’re not going to believe me but I do think JYP is one of the better companies. In countries like mine there has been concern about the Kpop industry and how it treats their groups and there has been widespread investigation into the companies. JYP and S.M. for certain have given access to a number of independent investigative journalists as part as their investigation of the industry. Western Society is very, very conscious of making sure that working conditions in countries like Korea are ethical before they work with them. Capital records in the UK and US wouldn’t work with S.M. if standards were poor. Our human rights laws in the West wouldn’t permit it. Capital Records has a long, distinguished history that they wouldn’t tarnish.
I went to the site you showed me and I dint like it. However, I see fans all over twitter constantly ask people not to ship idols or speculate about their sexuality. In the West it is not okay to assume someone’s gender or sexuality. Young western fans on the whole, are very much against it and that’s in evidence all over Twitter etc. In the West it is understood that skinship between male or female idols means nothing mire than that. It is recognised as being part of South Korean culture. Fans here don’t consider it to be a sign of homosexuality. If you go through the threads that you refer to, they even talk about that. They warn there that those gestures can not be seen as proof of sexuality. people understand it is a cultural thing.
I can’t make you listen to me or understand what I’m saying. All I can tell you is that the things some people speculate like gender or sexuality are a really big deal here in the West. Young people now are very aware that they shouldn’t assume anything. I dint know where that forum is based that you’re talking about, but I can honestly tell you that many fans do not discuss a celebrity’s sexuality.
Tomorrow, I will see if I can find some examples to show you and see if it will help you see what I’m saying.
I can’t make you understand and at this point, I dint even know why I care. I guess I just want you to see that not every one finds it acceptable and maybe you aren’t seeing the whole picture. That’s all and I’m sorry if I am causing offence. I dont want to.
Look maybe is because of your injury idk, that you are a little to sensitive about the topic, but I suggest you finish your healing and then comeback. You've already made your point, I think we've made ours and I think either one of us is going to change.
That is exactly why this forum is the Best to discuse this topics, cause in western societies, if you misgendered someone, like you see someone that looks like a she so you refer to her as a she, but hey thanks to all this gender identity madness and the U N saying that there are 112 genders and others saying there are 1000 this person gets offended cause she doesn't identify as a female but as a Aesthetigender or as a medeigender (yeah that exists apparently) now you are a bad person for doing that, so much that you can be sued, fined, and maybe in the future if this continues go to prison, that is just beyond absurb.
Gay ships between the members of a group is part of the kpop industry promoted by the company and the members, to be honest I think this shouldn't be more accepted than it already is, and if fans from western societies don't consider some of the gestures they do as homosexual, then there wouldn't be thousands of pages filled with pics, videos, fan arts, fan fiction, etc about a ship between two members.
Fans opinions about whatever company you want is that they are trash, every one complains about them.
Yeah and of course you are going to take their Word for it, is like all actors 4 years ago thanking Harv3y W3einstein at award ceremonies, but #me too, next scene this same actors that praised him in the past now almost want to say they didn't even knew him.
You claim you don't want us to stop, but what you write says otherwise, and if you want this forum to be like the outside world, where everyone has to be careful and afraid with every single Word that comes out of their mouth in the hope that poor snowflakes don't break, then no thanks, for me at least I don't want it
 






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Look maybe is because of your injury idk, that you are a little to sensitive about the topic, but I suggest you finish your healing and then comeback. You've already made your point, I think we've made ours and I think either one of us is going to change.
That is exactly why this forum is the Best to discuse this topics, cause in western societies, if you misgendered someone, like you see someone that looks like a she so you refer to her as a she, but hey thanks to all this gender identity madness and the U N saying that there are 1000 genders, this person gets offended cause she doesn't identify as a female but as a Canisgender or as a medeigender (yeah that exists apparently) now you are a bad person for doing that, so much that you can be sued, fined, and maybe in the future if this continues go to prison, that is just beyond absurb.
Gay ships between the members of a group is part of the kpop industry promoted by the company and the members, to be honest I think this shouldn't be more accepted than it already is, and if fans from western societies don't consider some of the gestures they do as homosexual, then there wouldn't be thousands of pages filled with pics, videos, fan arts, fan fiction, etc about a ship between two members.
Fans opinions about whatever company you want is that they are trash, every one complains about them.
Yeah and of course you are going to take their Word for it, is like all actors 4 years ago thanking Harv3y W3einstein at award ceremonies, but #me too, next scene this same actors that praised him in the past now almost want to say they didn't even knew him.
You claim you don't want us to stop, but what you write says otherwise, and if you want this forum to be like the outside world, where everyone has to be careful and afraid with every single Word that comes out of their mouth in the hope that poor snowflakes don't break, then no thanks, for me at least I don't want it
I don't want to offend Western people, but honestly, I think whats happening there is complete madness, thanks that my country are no where like that, this 1000 genders...really? people are buying that? I can't believe this...and people can go to prison for saying female is female but she did not identify that?!!!!! Man this so crazy..I didn't knows that

and this about gay ship, its everywhere in Kpop, I don't know if she is new to Kpop or she is that naive(I am sorry not intended to insult her) but she is either forcing here self not to see it, or she is new to Kpop(know nothing about it)..heck I even went to page in Facebook(that are not Kpop) but page about Korea and its culture, and members there kept posting about Gay ships, and Gay Fan art, members kissing etc...its crazy if she has been in Kpop and haven't seen that, and pretending it doesn't exist, you don't even have to go to Kpop page to see that

and yeah this forum is unique is that we can say our opinion freely, unlike any other websites or in the real world, and we shouldn't lose that unique thing about this website
 






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I don't want to offend Western people, but honestly, I think whats happening there is complete madness, thanks that my country are no where like that, this 1000 genders...really? people are buying that? I can't believe this...and people can go to prison for saying female is female but she did not identify that?!!!!! Man this so crazy..I didn't knows that

and this about gay ship, its everywhere in Kpop, I don't know if she is new to Kpop or she is that naive(I am sorry not intended to insult her) but she is either forcing here self not to see it, or she is new to Kpop(know nothing about it)..heck I even went to page in Facebook(that are not Kpop) but page about Korea and its culture, and members there kept posting about Gay ships, and Gay Fan art, members kissing etc...its crazy if she has been in Kpop and haven't seen that, and pretending it doesn't exist, you don't even have to go to Kpop page to see that

and yeah this forum is unique is that we can say our opinion freely, unlike any other websites or in the real world, and we shouldn't lose that unique thing about this website
If this continues we might as well end like that


I've already posted this video before, you can watch from minute 6, but if you want/can watch it complete it would be good: https://www.bitchute.com/video/_9Mbh0PsVw4/



Exactly, ships are all over social media, I don't like it, but it pops up in my home page on insta

I hope we don't ( ・ั﹏・ั)
 






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Blàckpink's Jennie is back at it again with the symbolism on ig. Could they be having a comeback around the same time as bt§ like last year?

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These pics remind me of Suñmi's. Even the hair.

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Can we also take a minute to say that Suñmi is really, really likely to be a sacrifice in the future. Her ig page is horrid, almost every single post.
She even says things like "If I can live long enough."
 






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Do you know something? I have tried to be polite and civil to you and I have tried to have reasonable conversation with you. Do you really think that because other sites accuse people of being gay? It’s okay for people here to do it too? Would you like it if someone speculated about your sexuality all over the internet without your consent? Just because they are public figures it’s okay to do that? You have no respect.
I tell you what those other sites don’t do.They don’t accuse idols of sacrificing each other or their parents or even grandparents like I have seen suggested here. The don’t accuse them of taking part in occultic rituals and symbolism. They don’t accuse them of being mind-controlled or speculate that an idol who is having a hiatus because of a health issue us absent because the other personality is out of control.
These are real people for heaven’s sake! Don’t you have any guilt about accusing them of such things? Don’t you understand that the reason JYP are taking action against people is because of the effect your rumours and speculation cause? Don’t you worry about vulnerable individuals who read your theories - people who perhaps have mental health issues - and are adversely affected by them? This is a public forum and anyone can read this stuff!
You are bullying these celebrities - whether you like how they live or not - and there are countries in the world where you actually could be prosecuted for what you write online! There are laws these days about what people are allowed to say about others online!
How would you feel if someone - celebrity or otherwise - committed suicide because of the abuse written on sites like these?
You don’t actually have any right to speculate about these things, as much as you think you do. You can’t accuse people of killing someone with absolutely no proof! That’s a horrible, horrible thing to do. It’s disrespectful to the person who died, as well as his family and friends. It also makes you look like very unpleasant people. No matter how much evidence you think you have. You don’t. It’s all speculation and it’s exceptionally dangerous. Don’t you have any respect for anyone, never mind yourselves!
I have as much right to object to it as you think you have to write it. I have tried to appeal to reason but none of you are open to hearing it. I have said this before and I’ll say it again. This is not a game. You are accusing people of very serious things and you have no right to do that!
What gives any of you the right to make assumptions about people or judge how they live their lives?
I found this forum via a completely unrelated google search. If I can see this, then so can anyone. The things you are posting are not harmless and it’s not just a place for you to share theories. When you are accusing people of killing or plotting to kill others, it’s a whole different thing. What kind of people actually post those things?
As I said, I tried to engage with you reasonably but none of you are capable of that. Instead of looking at others, you should have a long hard look at yourselves!
If this upsets you, please kindly leave. You clicked here and saw what you saw, if youve noticed we do actually hope these singers change and do right and this thread is meant to stop people from believing in an unreal fantasy.

I went through a deep black hole because of Kpop and many people experienced the same too, its not spoken about but its there and its painful.

If you don't believe this thread (which i agree some things are extreme) because "you don't want to keep an open mind" then you are more then welcome to exit the same way you came in.
 






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If this upsets you, please kindly leave. You clicked here and saw what you saw, if youve noticed we do actually hope these singers change and do right and this thread is meant to stop people from believing in an unreal fantasy.

I went through a deep black hole because of Kpop and many people experienced the same too, its not spoken about but its there and its painful.

If you don't believe this thread (which i agree some things are extreme) because "you don't want to keep an open mind" then you are more then welcome to exit the same way you came in.
So in other words if you don’t agree with us, don’t question us - just go away?
That’s an unfortunate attitude.
 






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So in other words if you don’t agree with us, don’t question us - just go away?
That’s an unfortunate attitude.
You are too quick to pass judgment.

I said If you aren't willing to keep an open mind and understand where we are coming from. Then leave because you are causing disrupt.

Not to mention that you skipped the small , tiny sentence of what Ive experienced in Kpop just to say I have an unfortunate attitude
 






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Stop telling me to go away. Some people have responded to me politely when I have asked questions. Some people have given me links of things to read and I have gone and looked at them or have said I will look.
I am willing to look at what you are saying but people here are not respecting me. One person here has actually been incredibly rude to me and spoken to me in a way I would never treat anyone and yet I have still tried to be polite to them.
You don’t like what I’m saying - that’s fine. Talk to me about it instead of insulting me and telling me to go away. What are you all so afraid of about what I have to say?
Okay first of all this is not me attacking you
This is me telling you to finish your healing, or finish dealing with whatever things you are going through and then COMEBACK
Through out this past days that you appear, you've been denying everything we have told you, and everything that is in this forum, lecturing us about how insensitive we are and how bizarre our way of thinking is. I'm not going to say it's okay, but I do understand why some things you write get on someone's nerves(I include myself)
fyi you don't scare me, I don't think someone here is, your point of view is something I hear from everyone
I retract About that 112 gender list it was supposedly made by Vitit Muntarbhorn a lawyer that was and independant expert on sexual orientation and gender indentity of the U N, yet still People are beginning to identify with with this "New genders" nonsense, and People that aren't are being taught to accept it

 






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Thank you for your good wishes. It is my duty as a mother to be involved in my daughters’ lives, even though they are almost grown up. I also like to keep myself in touch with what is going on in the world and since I have been ill, I have had more time to do that than most. My daughters are very different. One studies theology at University and the study hopes to study music production/performance at university next year. She sings - obviously a wide range of music from classical to more popular but she does follow Kpop.
I can’t answer your questions easily because I come from the other side of the world and I know a limited amount about Korean culture. In our culture some of the symbols you refer to have more benign meanings, so I can’t comment for sure on the meaning of them in Korea. I understand why they might be interpreted as satanic but I know that they aren’t always.
I can only speculate as to why they aren’t free to do as they please. Some of it is probably due to the fact that building the age of 20, they are considered as minors in Korea. Age of consent is much different in the West. Here in the UK for example, you give consent for medical treatment at 16. The age of sexual consent is 16 but many young people will have sexual relationships much earlier than that. You become an adult technically when you are 18 and you can drink alcohol at that age. From that perspective, I assume that Kpop companies have parental consent for trainees until the age of 20. After that they are tightly controlled I assume because of the company’s desire to promote certain images and not let them behave in ways that would disgrace the company. That is my interpretation of it. Maybe I’m wrong.
I don’t know to what extent teenagers want to change their appearance to look like them, because that doesn’t really happen among Kpop fans in the west for obvious reasons. However I do know that since time began, people have copied celebrities in their looks and fashion. That’s why clothing companies etc use them so often as models. In turn, this brings money to their companies.
The term “idol” is a popular term for celebrities - it’s not a good term but it’s a popular one.
As far as the visuals go, it is a problem particular to Korean society specifically. It is a society based on looks. It’s another aspect of Kpop that isn’t good. I understand it’s why companies such as S.M. and JYP try to publish photographs which show idols without makeup with their scars and freckles and blemishes. However, I know fans have criticised companies for doing it.
I’m guessing there are lots of reasons why young people kill themselves when idols do. Suicide can be a very triggering thing for someone with mental health problems and for people with issues they can easily be triggered into copying their actions. I guess that’s why media outlets are asked to be careful about how they present the news and not give too many details. It’s a huge problem. In the town where I live in the UK we have had about 6 make suicides in just a few weeks. It’s heartbreaking and it is endemic in western society as it also is in Korea, I believe. It is certainly a big problem.
I hope this helps explain some of my viewpoints and again, thank you.
Sooooo you came here with little to No information about Kpop and Korea. To people who majority know about the culture. And try to say Korea and Kpop is good.

Korea is a beautiful country but the culture there is also beautiful but toxic similar to mine. If you want to know about mine I'll discuss it in short detail for you if you like.

Here is the thing whether you like or not, celebrities play a huge part in society whether you have TV or not. We as people have been so desensitized to sexual suggestiveness due to American media.

Yes Imma blame yal lol.

We are so disensitized by celebs like beyonce, cardi b, niki minaj, lady gaga and etc to the point where kpop seems so innocent because they dont show boobies ...liiikkke its just as worse just more subtle.

Which I see is where you went left. I asked you a few simple questions and you say you can't answer due to your lack of knowledge about korea but i asked what 'YOU' thought about it.

I feel as though you know the truth but don't want to accept it. You clicked on the thread for a reasons. There are plenty of fans only critisizng these singers appearances, weight and etc but instead you chose to come to one which seeks to help others to know what happens for real in the Kpop industry.

Suicide is seen as a scape goat, I've seen it as that and because of all the movies I'd watched I wanted to kill myself when I was in difficult situations ever since I was just 6 years old because on TV that seemed like the best option.

The industry doesn't care about these people just money and they never have freedom as long as their with their company. There are many people who have spoken about this on Youtube.

You say Kpop is better then American pop even though they do the same things. Yes, even if you don't believe me, American singers are also overworked but because they created a society where anything is allowed they seem more happier then kpop singers who have to bother please and brainwash the public.

Its not about the music, its about the agenda.

And you are very much welcome and I wish most parents would dig into conspiracy theories and stuff. I hope this didn't sound so harsh.
 






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I need to say that many of the Kpop celebs are pre 18 and they wear revealing clothing. Not like beyonce but still rather sexy for pre-mature I would say. And I can say it is proper or even normal. It is sick and preverted as much as Western crap.
I’m a bit confused what you mean by revealing. Maybe if you could give me examples. I might understand better.
I think again it comes down to what different cultures see as appropriate.
 






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I’m a bit confused what you mean by revealing. Maybe if you could give me examples. I might understand better.
I think again it comes down to what different cultures see as appropriate.
Please please please can't we put a period on this convo and just leave it at that? I really appreciate your efforts in trying to become more understanding towards the music your daughter listens to, I really do and that is admirable, but I think it wouldn't be helpful to ask so many questions without having the intention to really hear us out/search on your own some of the answers while having critical thinking. We can't "chew" the food for you to eat it, you have to search for the answers yourself too. I am not referring only about the occult but how the system works on a bigger scale, economically, politically and socially. This is a place with people who get this and you have to begin from scratch. Of course we all are happy to help you with anything you need, but no matter how we try, we'll fail if you already have fixed opinions. Socrates once said "the only thing I know, is nothing" bc he wanted to teach us that the only way for someone to grasp real knowledge is to be humble and not have the know-it-all mentality,only then they can broaden their horizons. I believe that at least for now, this place isn't for you, you have to prioritize your health first and talk to a mental doctor bc your condition clearly took a toll on you (that is only natural of course) and no one deserves to be in pain in any way. It would be better if you spend time with your friends and children, these are people who really care about you and it will better your condition too. You can always come back whenever you feel truly ready, and we will be more than happy to welcome you. But now, this thread keeps derailing pointlessly and we prevent people from talking about what they are concerned about regarding to the dark side of kpop and it stops them from helping others also. Even if you don't agree with what is shared here, at least respect it. You don't have to answer me, I just beg you to take what I said into consideration, I am not attacking you or anything, I am saying all these to you in a friendly matter. Take care.
 






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I simply sought to clarify what the poster who mentioned revealing clothing meant and if she could tell me what is revealing. I mean, I know some of you don’t have English as your first language but it really is a simple, non-toxic question.
The type of clothing which is acceptable in my culture is probably very different to others. If I don’t know what the poster considers revealing, I can’t comment.
Do they mean shorter skirts or shorts? Do they mean sheer tops? Do they mean cropped tops? what groups are you referring to?
I mean Loona have underage members but I can’t think of examples of them wearing revealing clothing. NCT dream or even Stray Kids have underage members but they dint wear revealing clothing?
You complain I don’t listen but when I ask for clarification you tell me to go away? If you feel that sexualising underage members is part of their dark agenda, then tell me which companies or groups you want? Is that such a bad question to ask? I’m not derailing anything. I’m trying to understand. I never mentioned clothing in the first place - someone else did.
I am so confused by your reactions. If you want me to understand, then explain?
Your last reply was just an excuse for me to talk to you about certain things. You claim you've read the whole thread, but I'm having a hard time understanding that because all of these have been mentioned before. As I said, you need to delve more into how society works, it's shows me that you have never learned how to think by yourself and expect others to do the thinking for you. Also to briefly answer you about the clothes, it's no secret that many pedophiles exist in Asia, who get off by watching innocent little girls in child's clothing. Search for asian porn and anime and you will see it by yourself. Many of these idols are barely legal and wear tight amd and revealing clothes and if you haven't seen it, especially the fanboys of girl groups are much older men in their mid 30's-40's.Also many scandals broke out bc these men film the girl's underwear etc. If you don't see the problem in that as a mother, I'm sorry but this is more than a issue. As I have mentioned before it's impossible for us to reply to every single question of yours, don't be lazy, do a little researching on your own. You really need to acquire complex thinking in order to gain the ability to combine facts. Read more books, newspapers, solve crossroads, they will really help you. If you don't mind me asking why are you on this thread really? I suspect that given your condition you need someone to talk to and it's understandable but why don't you spend your time doing something that you deem more constructive instead?
 






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What age are you? Do you think the way you are speaking to me is a respectful way to speak to anyone, never mind someone who may be older than you? What do you know about me to judge whether or not I’m capable of complex thinking? I have a brain injury which affects how I process and express myself. Even with that, I’m probably more intelligent than any of you can ever hope to be.
The general lack of complex thinking is obvious all over this thread. You don’t understand other cultures and you aren’t interested in learning about them. You have one agenda about illuminati influences in Kpop and none of you have an original thought in your head.
I am a middle-aged woman, these theories you talk about aren’t unique or new. They’ve been around in for years and years in one form or another. We’ve all heard it before only when I was younger it wasn’t Kpop, it was other types of music.
You produce the same old arguments that have been around for generations and there is no proof to back any of them up. You don’teven understand what evidence is. You don’t know how to formulate an argument. You see what you want to see and you twist it to make your own agenda. You don’t care about the people behind the agendas you push. You don’t care about Jonghyun, his family, his friends or his fans. You don’t care about the feelings of those you say are going to be sacrificed next - as long as you get to write your childish nonsense, that’s all that matters to you. It’s disgraceful!
I suggest you learn a little about complex thought yourself. Research something and find all the facts - negative and positive. Research what people who know more about it than you do have to say - not just the stuff that supports your side, but the stuff that doesn’t as well. Don’t pluck a fact such as the UN says there are 112 genders and present it as fact when it’s not true - that makes you look silly. A lot of the facts presented here are not fact. For instance, BTS were not reported to be the first at Jonghyun’s funeral - many sources say they were AMONG the first! Do you see the difference there? If you’re going to talk about something like p*doohilia, know what it is - by the way it is sexual attraction to pre-pubescent children. Do you know what that means - children who have not reached puberty...so like younger than 10 or 11? Understand that if you are going to discuss something it’s perfectly okay to say well, before I get into that with you, what in your opinion is revealing clothing? If you come from very different cultures that meanings can be quite different.
When you have learnt to think in a complex way, then talk to me about it. When you have actual, substantiated facts to put together, talk to me about it. At the moment you are all seeing what you want to see. You are sexualising non-sexual actions.You are saying that certain gestures are satanic when you simply dont understand the context. People accused Kai of sacrificing his father and Taemin of sacrificing his grandparents! you want me to go away so you can all speculate about who is going to be sacrificed next? Who does that? No one I knows does that - or would even want to!
You have treated me horribly showing how closed minded and naive you all are. Yes, there’s a lot of badness in this world and you are contributing it by thinking it’s okay to marginalise people such as the lgbt community. If a girl wears a short skirt and a man sexualises her, then the problem is with him not her. A girl or woman should have the right to dress how she wants and not be sexualised over it. A online article complained that a young teenage idol was dressed in clothes that were too revealing and she was simply wearing shorts and a top with no sleeves. That’s not sexual. It’s perfectly normal clothing that any teenager would wear. It’s not the clothes or the girl wearing it that’s the problem, it’s the person sexualising her.
You all have a lot of growing up to do. I know everyone comes from cultures where different things are acceptable but think about the people you are hating and whether they are really the people who deserve the hate.
I have no desire to talk further with People like you. You need to take a long hard look at yourselves.
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What age are you? Do you think the way you are speaking to me is a respectful way to speak to anyone, never mind someone who may be older than you? What do you know about me to judge whether or not I’m capable of complex thinking? I have a brain injury which affects how I process and express myself. Even with that, I’m probably more intelligent than any of you can ever hope to be.
The general lack of complex thinking is obvious all over this thread. You don’t understand other cultures and you aren’t interested in learning about them. You have one agenda about illuminati influences in Kpop and none of you have an original thought in your head.
I am a middle-aged woman, these theories you talk about aren’t unique or new. They’ve been around in for years and years in one form or another. We’ve all heard it before only when I was younger it wasn’t Kpop, it was other types of music.
You produce the same old arguments that have been around for generations and there is no proof to back any of them up. You don’teven understand what evidence is. You don’t know how to formulate an argument. You see what you want to see and you twist it to make your own agenda. You don’t care about the people behind the agendas you push. You don’t care about Jonghyun, his family, his friends or his fans. You don’t care about the feelings of those you say are going to be sacrificed next - as long as you get to write your childish nonsense, that’s all that matters to you. It’s disgraceful!
I suggest you learn a little about complex thought yourself. Research something and find all the facts - negative and positive. Research what people who know more about it than you do have to say - not just the stuff that supports your side, but the stuff that doesn’t as well. Don’t pluck a fact such as the UN says there are 112 genders and present it as fact when it’s not true - that makes you look silly. A lot of the facts presented here are not fact. For instance, BTS were not reported to be the first at Jonghyun’s funeral - many sources say they were AMONG the first! Do you see the difference there? If you’re going to talk about something like p*doohilia, know what it is - by the way it is sexual attraction to pre-pubescent children. Do you know what that means - children who have not reached puberty...so like younger than 10 or 11? Understand that if you are going to discuss something it’s perfectly okay to say well, before I get into that with you, what in your opinion is revealing clothing? If you come from very different cultures that meanings can be quite different.
When you have learnt to think in a complex way, then talk to me about it. When you have actual, substantiated facts to put together, talk to me about it. At the moment you are all seeing what you want to see. You are sexualising non-sexual actions.You are saying that certain gestures are satanic when you simply dont understand the context. People accused Kai of sacrificing his father and Taemin of sacrificing his grandparents! you want me to go away so you can all speculate about who is going to be sacrificed next? Who does that? No one I knows does that - or would even want to!
You have treated me horribly showing how closed minded and naive you all are. Yes, there’s a lot of badness in this world and you are contributing it by thinking it’s okay to marginalise people such as the lgbt community. If a girl wears a short skirt and a man sexualises her, then the problem is with him not her. A girl or woman should have the right to dress how she wants and not be sexualised over it. A online article complained that a young teenage idol was dressed in clothes that were too revealing and she was simply wearing shorts and a top with no sleeves. That’s not sexual. It’s perfectly normal clothing that any teenager would wear. It’s not the clothes or the girl wearing it that’s the problem, it’s the person sexualising her.
You all have a lot of growing up to do. I know everyone comes from cultures where different things are acceptable but think about the people you are hating and whether they are really the people who deserve the hate.
I have no desire to talk further with People like you. You need to take a long hard look at yourselves.
I am old enough to study at University and to respectfully engage with someone who by her saying is a middle aged woman yet acting like a spoiled little child, blatantly disrepecting me and throwing accusations out of nowhere. First of all, no offence but your brain injury should be not a justification for you to go off on us like that, this mentality is extremely toxic. I was only but respectful towards your situation as everyone else here was, so I demand the same respect. You are confirming my stance on your lacking of critical thinking (heck, even thinking at this point) because again, I NEVER talked about Jonghyun or the 138365 genders thing. If you want to talk down on someone, at least make your points valid. Second, ok I don't care if it's called p***philia or something else, because the point still remains. Having middle aged men filming young girls'underwears is STILL a crime and should be persecuted. If you refuse to see the problem here, I seriously pity your daughter. Also, for one last time, why are you REALLY here? You are nothing but rude, and no, your attitude shouldn't be excused because of your age,if anything, you are ridiculing yourself because no adult should be behaving like that. You give me the impression that you got nothing to do in your time/life so you are trying to create disrupt. So sad. Channel your energy into dealing with your life and children and leave us alone. I am done talking to you and I suggest everyone to ignore you from now on because you are ungrateful for our time and highly disrespectful.One more thing, being intelligent requires manners too and you lack both. This was my last message to you, you can keep talking to yourself if you want to, trust me, I won't even read it. Guys, please, lets continue the real purpose of this thread without further interruptions.
 






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