Jesus and the First Christians Were Vegetarians

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Oh? And which laws was he found guilty of breaking by the Jewish authorities at his trials? He was brought before the current high priest, the previous high priest, and the Sanhedrin. What did they miss?

If John is literally saying Jesus broke the law of the Sabbath, he's also literally saying that Jesus blasphemed by making himself equal with God, isn't he?
Only if John actually believed breaking the Sabbath was a sin, and if he actually believed what Jesus said was blasphemy. He didn’t, of course, in neither instance, but he recognised that it was in the eyes of the Pharisees, in accordance with their law.

The violation of the Sabbath was among the accusations during the trial. We can’t know for sure for which accusations Jesus was condemned, but when Jesus confessed to be the Son of God, the death penalty was sealed, which is what they were after.
 

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To say Jesus was a vegetarian is to completely deny the entire Culture and Religion in which He was Born and the method in which they practiced said Religion. Jesus followed the Law of Abraham which was inclusive of following the dietary and the Holy Day feasts, which without a doubt required Jesus and everyone else who followed and celebrated these Holy Days to eat meat.

It is willful ignorance to declare that Jesus was a vegetarian, its to completely ignore what is clearly laid out in Scriptures concerning how Jesus lived. I mean you can see it in the responses here, just outright willful ignorance of Scriptures that spell out the fact that Jesus ate meat and fish and used them to feed others. Such as saying Matt 3 is a mistranslation, utterly ridiculous logic there. Here is the actual Greek Word:

200. akris a locust

This same word is also used in Revelations

Rev 9:3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

Would you like to tell me that out of the smoke came bread cakes? Get out of here, that is complete and total nonsense, while one may think that Locus and the bread you are speaking about can be easily mistaken in ENGLISH, there is absolutely no way that it would be mistaken in GREEK. So no sorry there wasnt a mistranslation, the Greek is clear, John ate Locusts which of course rejects the OP premise that he or Jesus or any of the other Early Christians were Vegetarians.

As for Jesus and Him being against the Sacrificial System, again everyone who tries to make this point is willfully ignorant concerning Jesus. He literally followed the Law of Moses, He was taken into the temple as a Child why? To follow the Law of Moses that says He was to circumcised.

He went to the Temple to Sacrifice Animals with His family, do you people just pretend that these things are not in the Scriptures to cling to your False Religions and lies about Jesus?

Luke 2:21 And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called Jesus, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb.
22 And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord;
23 (As it is written in the law of the Lord, Every male that openeth the womb shall be called holy to the Lord;)

24 And to offer a sacrifice according to that which is said in the law of the Lord, A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons.

If the Old Testament God is Satan as Art the not Christian says, then why on Earth would God deliver Jesus to people who were 100% faithful in following EXACTLY the Laws that were laid out by Abraham? If Jesus was so against the Sacrificial System and the Law of Abraham then why on Earth is He recorded over and over celebrating and following these Holy Days and Laws?

How about John, what was his father doing when he was told he was going to have him?

Luke 1:8 And it came to pass, that while he executed the priest's office before God in the order of his course,
9 According to the custom of the priest's office, his lot was to burn incense when he went into the temple of the Lord.
10 And the whole multitude of the people were praying without at the time of incense.

11 And there appeared unto him an angel of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of incense.

He was a priest in the Lords house for goodness sake!! Do you all even grasp what that man was doing day in and day out? And the God of that temple sent His Angel, the Angel Gabriel, while the man was literally preparing to Sacrifice Animals, to tell him that he was going to have John. And what did the Angel of the Lord of THAT Temple, the one that created the Laws for Sacrificing Animals tell him John was going to do?

Luke 1:15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.
16 And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God.
17 And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

This Angel who was sent by the God of the Temple in Israel, the one that created the Law of Moses and the Sacrificial System , came to Johns Father, who was literally a PRIEST for the OLD TESTAMENT GOD, and that angel said John would be the one to prepare the way in the power of Elijah, a PROPHET for the God of Abraham (the one that set up the Sacrificial System, of which Elijah KEPT HIMSELF) for the Lord Jesus Christ.

The illogical logic that some of you possess to make the claims you do concerning who Jesus was, who John was and what God they served is mind boggling. Jesus and John both served the same exact God that created the Temple, and the Sacrificial System, the one that visited a PRIEST to tell him about his son in the MIDDLE of the Temple.

And besides that, once again it is completely and totally illogical to deny that it was God and say it was Satan that set up the Sacrificial System, when Jesus came and did LITERALLY everything that was set out in the Old Testament, for Sacrifices HIMSELF.

Heb 9:1 Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.
2 For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary.
3 And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all
4 Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;
5 And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly.
6 Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.
7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:
8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:
9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

If you dont understand the Scriptures here, in short it says that the Temple was laid out as a PATTERN of what is in Heaven, and that everything in the Law that the Priests were doing were all foreshadowing what was to come. It then tells us that Jesus Christ Himself followed identically the same exact PATTERN that the High Priests did on the Day of Atonement, where they took the Blood of the Sacrifice and entered into the Holy of Holies and sprinkled Blood on the Altar for the forgiveness of Sins.

Jesus Himself went into the REAL Holy of Holies, which the Temple was a PATTERN of, and He Himself took HIS BLOOD because He was the Sacrifice, and put it on the Altar of God, so that we all who have Faith in Him can have their Sins forgiven.

So it is 100% illogical and willfully ignorant to continue to assert that Jesus was against the Sacrificial System as He LITERALLY followed in the place of the High Priests and Sacrificed Himself and then put His Blood on the Altar in the Holiest place for Redemption of Sin. The God of the Old Testament purposefully created the Sacrificial System to lay out the method in which Christ would come to Redeem the World. All of this is insanely retarded to do if that God is Satan and wants to keep others in bondage..

Hi Im Satan and I want everyone in bondage to me, so I am going to set up a System that first off at that time allows you to be clean from your Sins because of the Death and Sacrifice of the Animals, then in that System I will show the method in which the person SUPPOSEDLY coming to defeat me and set everyone free is going to 100% follow and thus defeat me.

Here is what Scriptures says about Christ and His Sacrifice:

Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

The God that Jesus served, He had all of this, the creation and use of the Sacrificial System, the sending of His Son to be the final Sacrifice, all planned before the World even came into existence. Yet people on this site want to say that Jesus was against the Sacrificial System? You must be thick...
 

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Give thanks to the Most High that the writings of the early Church fathers and extra-canonical texts were preserved. Without these it's easy to see how people can get lost in their theories and imagination.

"James, the brother of the Lord, was holy from his mothers womb; and he drank no wine nor strong drink, nor did he eat flesh." - Hegesippus

"James, the brother of the Lord, lived on seeds and plants and touched neither meat nor wine." - (Epistulae ad Faustum)

"James, the brother of Jesus, lived of seeds and vegetables and did not accept meat and wine." - Saint Augustine

"The Apostles embraced and persevered in a strenuous and a laborious life; with fasting and abstinence from wine and meat." -Eusibius

"John never ate meat."- Hegesippus

"The unnatural eating of flesh meats is as polluting as the heathen worship of devils."- Peter, (Clementine Homilies)

"I live on olives and bread, to which I rarely only add vegetables." - Peter (Clementine Homilies)

"And happiness is found in the practice of virtue. Accordingly, the Apostle Matthew partook of seeds, and nuts, and hard-shelled fruits, and vegetables, without flesh." -Clement of Alexandria

"He [Apostle Thomas] continually fasts and prays, and abstaining from the eating of flesh and drinking wine, he eats only bread with salt, drinks only water, and wears the same garments in fine weather and winter, accepting nothing from anyone, and gives whatever he has to others." - Acts of Thomas

"And the things which are well pleasing to God are these: to pray to Him, to ask from Him, recognizing that He is the giver of all things and gives with discriminating law; to abstain from table of devils, not to taste dead flesh, not to touch blood; to be washed from all pollution; and the rest in one word- as the God fearing Jews have heard, do you also hear, and be of one mind in many bodies; let each man be minded to do to his neighbors those good things he wishes for himself." (Clementine Homilies)
 
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@Daciple

As for Jesus and Him being against the Sacrificial System, again everyone who tries to make this point is willfully ignorant concerning Jesus. He literally followed the Law of Moses, He was taken into the temple as a Child why? To follow the Law of Moses that says He was to circumcised.

He went to the Temple to Sacrifice Animals with His family, do you people just pretend that these things are not in the Scriptures to cling to your False Religions and lies about Jesus?
As if it was 8-day old baby Jesus who told Mary and Joseph to not forget about the Law of Moses and take Him to His cricumcision and then sacrifice an animal or two. It were the customs of His parents who were under Mosaic Law, therefore Jesus was under Mosaic Law. The weakness of this argument says a great deal.


I doubt you'd be unfamiliar with the context of the Epistle to the Hebrews. All the more reason I wonder why you don't provide that context in your reasoning. This is the most Judaizing (Judaizing in the sense of "legitimizing the old law") text in the Gospels because it was written to the Hebrews who had become doubtful about Jesus being the Messiah. Its purpose is to convince them that Jesus' is the fulfillment of the Hebrew scriptures; that He is greater than Moses; that His new covenant supersedes the old; and to prevent the Hebrews from leaving the church and going back to their synagogues (and thus their old rituals). Even the most old-testamentary scripture of the New Testament tells us that the sacrificial system is over (no concessions are given here) and that the Mosaic Covenant, which according to the Hebrew scriptures was supposed to be eternal, is finished. This epistle is a genuine piece of proselytizing scripture portraying Jesus as a fulfiller of prophecy, not a destroyer, while in reality, their results are exactly the same, ie. the sacrificial system had come to an end.

Framing it as a fulfillment was the means by which the Hebrews were converted.



Do meditate on these two verses from the scripture you have chosen:

Hebrews 9
13 The blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who are ceremonially unclean sanctify them so that they are outwardly clean. 14 How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God!
 
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Hi Im Satan and I want everyone in bondage to me, so I am going to set up a System that first off at that time allows you to be clean from your Sins because of the Death and Sacrifice of the Animals, then in that System I will show the method in which the person SUPPOSEDLY coming to defeat me and set everyone free is going to 100% follow and thus defeat me.

Here is what Scriptures says about Christ and His Sacrifice:

Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
It is actually really strange that Jesus is symbolized as a Lamb, now that I think about it. Lambs aren't that different from Goats and Goats are supposed to be a symbol of Satan, right?
 

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Only if John actually believed breaking the Sabbath was a sin, and if he actually believed what Jesus said was blasphemy. He didn’t, of course, in neither instance, but he recognised that it was in the eyes of the Pharisees, in accordance with their law.

The violation of the Sabbath was among the accusations during the trial. We can’t know for sure for which accusations Jesus was condemned, but when Jesus confessed to be the Son of God, the death penalty was sealed, which is what they were after.
I’m having trouble reconciling what you’re saying now with your previous statement that John himself literally declared that Jesus broke the law. Is it your opinion that Jesus broke the law?
 

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It is actually really strange that Jesus is symbolized as a Lamb, now that I think about it. Lambs aren't that different from Goats and Goats are supposed to be a symbol of Satan, right?
Ever read the Bible? There’s a clear delineation between sheep and goats.
 

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The Lamb.
Not a pagan symbol in Christianity, and if you’d care to refer back to your original post, the only connection you made to Jesus and paganism is that a lamb is a little bit like a goat. Is this supposed to be an intelligent argument?
 
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Not a pagan symbol in Christianity, and if you’d care to refer back to your original post, the only connection you made to Jesus and paganism is that a lamb is a little bit like a goat. Is this supposed to be an intelligent argument?
I'm trying to weigh what (in the Protestant view) makes a Goat "satanic" but a lamb not.
Aside from horns and fluff, they don't look THAT different from each other. My thought is "If goats are satanic, then why aren't sheep". As a non-Christian it just doesn't make any sense, and the Bible itself doesn't really help to distinguish this.
 

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I'm trying to weigh what (in the Protestant view) makes a Goat "satanic" but a lamb not.
If you read the Bible, a lamb is the symbol of purity, and a goat is the symbol of sin. Furthermore, the sheep is the symbol of a believer, and the goat of an unbeliever.

It’s really basic stuff, as far as knowledge of Christianity goes, and I’m not sure if you think we’re really this ignorant, or if you actually are.
 
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Don't get your panties in a twist over a symbol from a 19th-century European occultist. It's irrelevant to Christianity.

I’m having trouble reconciling what you’re saying now with your previous statement that John himself literally declared that Jesus broke the law. Is it your opinion that Jesus broke the law?
I believe He broke Mosaic law, yes. I don't believe He broke His Father's law.
 

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Don't get your panties in a twist over a symbol from a 19th-century European occultist. It's irrelevant to Christianity.

I believe He broke Mosaic law, yes. I don't believe He broke His Father's law.
What’s the difference? Isn’t the Law, the Law?
 
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