Coronavirus

[manama]

If someone posts the video about those two doctors who, by the way, run their own clinics and no longer work in emergency healthcare, being COMPLETELY WRONG about how statistics works and thus lying their way through the conference, I'm going to go insane.
They aren't even in NYC in the first place to see the damage.

I get people watching those don't know medicine but come on basic maths please?

Watch this.

 

[justjess]

That was the WHO line on masks, though, and Canada’s messaging was even worse.

Yeah the WHO had the same line, but they were all guilty of repeating blatantly illogical bs. They weren’t held at gun point and forced to say that crap.

I will add that any country that did not use the lead time they had between the issue erupting in China, and even more so Italy, and the issue reaching them to input the basic safety measures and obtain necessary supplies... is criminally negligent in their responsibilities to the tax paying citizens of their country.

 

[TokiEl]

If someone posts the video about those two doctors who, by the way, run their own clinics and no longer work in emergency healthcare, being COMPLETELY WRONG about how statistics works and thus lying their way through the conference, I'm going to go insane.
They aren't even in NYC in the first place to see the damage.

Are you arguing with the shepherde ?

 

[manama]

Are you arguing with the shepherde ?

I'm telling something, not arguing. Tired of seeing them posted like 10 times on 10 different sites all people acting like they are the reincarnation of Christ.

 

[TokiEl]

I'm telling something, not arguing. Tired of seeing them posted like 10 times on 10 different sites all people acting like they are the reincarnation of Christ.

What the shepherde posts the shepherde posted.

 

[illuminatimess]

What the shepherde posts the shepherde posted.

Such a poet

 

[manama]

What the shepherde posts the shepherde posted.

Yeah i don't understand your sheep fetish but no kink shaming here, you do you.

 

[Aero]

Masks have helped? I would like to see the numbers that is based off of.

Ohio spent most of March completely mask free. Apparently in April everyone essential was supposed to wear one though.

The U.S is still seeing like 2k deaths per day. So idk wtf we are doing. It's still spreading like nothing we are doing matters.

 

[justjess]

Masks have helped? I would like to see the numbers that is based off of.

Ohio spent most of March completely mask free. Apparently in April everyone essential was supposed to wear one though.

The U.S is still seeing like 2k deaths per day. So idk wtf we are doing. It's still spreading like nothing we are doing matters.

Numbers in the tri state didn’t start coming down at all until around the same time that masks became mandatory. I’m still compiling numbers and data.. only started doing so Friday so I can’t run it even prelimarily until Saturday. I’ll get back to you, my comments were on face value until further notice.

 

[The Zone]

I will add that any country that did not use the lead time they had between the issue erupting in China, and even more so Italy, and the issue reaching them to input the basic safety measures and obtain necessary supplies... is criminally negligent in their responsibilities to the tax paying citizens of their country.

You do realize China was not being honest and upfront? Can you honestly say you thought all of this the moment you heard this was in China? As a tax-paying citizen, I will not hold all the world's governments accountable but those who expedited the thing in the first place is another story. And where would the US or another country have gone for these supplies you speak of when there was a natural shortage from day one? Is it still criminal negligence if there were not supplies to be had? Perhaps, we can take the manufactures to task? This play were witnessing goes beyond government actions.

Do you really think the virus is airborne and that a mask is all that much help? As for the masks being mandatory, the numbers which are highly questionable were steadying out. I would like to know where your numbers are from this Saturday when it all comes together for a clearer picture.

 

[justjess]

You do realize China was not being honest and upfront? Can you honestly say you thought all of this the moment you heard this was in China? As a tax-paying citizen, I will not hold all the world's governments accountable but those who expedited the thing in the first place is another story. And where would the US or another country have gone for these supplies you speak of when there was a natural shortage from day one? Is it still criminal negligence if there were not supplies to be had? Perhaps, we can take the manufactures to task? This play were witnessing goes beyond government actions.

Do you really think the virus is airborne and that a mask is all that much help? As for the masks being mandatory, the numbers which are highly questionable were steadying out. I would like to know where your numbers are from this Saturday when it all comes together for a clearer picture.

Well January 23rd little old me noticed mask shortages and quite a few people here were following the situation taking it seriously since then. So yeah, I do blame people smarter then me with more power for taking it less seriously then my inconsequential self did.

The shortages issue is both the same and separate. As soon as it became clear we didn’t have the supplies we needed and couldn’t access them the DPA should have been activated to produce them. We had LEAD TIME.

And yes I do really believe the virus is airborne to an extent more then we are being led to believe. Nothing else makes sense. Numbers in areas which implemented mandatory masks have finally started falling substantially in the last two weeks (since they implemented it), numbers in areas that haven’t are continuing to go up. At this point it is a hypothesis. Didn’t realize I wasn’t allowed to have one or voice it.

 

[rainerann]

“
Florida officials have reportedly withheld medical examiners’ data on coronavirus deaths in the state for over a week, with the policy changing shortly after the Tampa Bay Times reported that the medical examiners were counting 10 percent more deaths than the state.”

Florida ordered coroners to stop releasing coronavirus death data: report

Florida officials have reportedly withheld medical examiners’ data on coronavirus deaths in the state for over a week, with the policy changing shortly after the Tampa Bay Times reported that …

thehill.com

 

[The Zone]

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VC chimed in on the WHO earlier today Fwiw, https://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/the-true-agenda-of-the-who-a-new-world-order-modeled-after-china/

 

[rainerann]

“
And so, Solis's Shipt walkout in early April became one of many — a high-profile swell of protests by low-wage "essential" workers, from Shipt, Instacart and Uber to Amazon, Walmart, McDonald's and Whole Foods.

Until now, their labor battles largely played out on separate stages. But the coronavirus is shining a single, wide spotlight on all this low-paying work. And organizers are seizing this moment of leverage — the fleeting window when the world sees their so-called unskilled labor as hero work — to demand paid sick leave, better pay and benefits.

"The pandemic has definitely elevated our voices," Solis says.

"The most expensive hamburger you make in your life"

Workers had started with calling for basic protection against the virus: masks, gloves and disinfectant. But they are also united over workplace concerns that have gnawed at them since long before the pandemic. Most of them have unreliable income, unpredictable schedules, limited health care and benefits.”

More Essential Than Ever, Low-Wage Workers Demand More

In this lockdown, low-wage workers have been publicly declared "essential" — up there with doctors and nurses. But the workers say their pay, benefits and protections don't reflect it.

www.npr.org

 

[lightseeker]

Yeah i don't understand your sheep fetish but no kink shaming here, you do you.

That guys from israel don’t mind him

About those two doctors though, what about their interpretation of data is wrong? Also, why is it wrong for them, living in a rural community in California, to call for reopening when its New York that has the outbreak? Could you point out how they’re wrog? The province where I’m from in canada, were 5 months in and 100 people have died, over 90 of them were in long term care homes. Yet we have the same protocols as New York. What’s wrong with pointing out that the current data of how things progressed is different than the theoretical models?

Just asking don’t mean to put you on the spot

 

[Thunderian]

Closing NYC on time

New York City should have been closed much earlier, but that was a local decision, and can’t be laid on the account of the US government. In the second week of March, the mayor of NYC was still telling people to go to bars and restaurants, and only finally closed the city down after his staff threatened to quit.

closing airports on time

America banned flights from China on January 30, the same day that the WHO was announcing that travel restrictions were unnecessary. The US then effectively shut their airports to the rest of the world on March 13, which was about the same time as, or before, most other nations. By comparison, Canada was still allowing flights from China at that time.

and try to get as much tests and PPE as they could've.

Again, I think the response time and efforts for this were at the global average. No country has had an easy time with this. Supply problems and depleted stocks were the norm.

Instead they spent 4 months playing the blame game

I don’t recall them blaming anyone four months ago, but it’s become clear in recent weeks how much China has screwed over the rest of the world, and they should be blamed. Four months ago China was scouting the world, depleting everyone else’s stocks of PPE, while lying about the severity of the virus that was spreading in their country, and since then have been selling back shitty replacements and tests that were infected with the virus.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1255508281696583680

and calling the virus "not that serious"

Everyone was downplaying it.

Or making it political.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1222964716320018436

Or just being stupid. This is a tweet from the chair of the New York City Council Health Committee:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1226566648729133056

On March 9 Joe Biden was still holding political rallies. Trump had his last one a week before that, true, but based on what I’ve shown you, it’s hard to make the case that anyone in America would have done anything differently than the present US government did.

and now successfully have the highest infection and death count.

Not per capita. They aren’t even anywhere near the top. Belgium has four times as meant deaths per 100k as the US does, and is followed by Spain, Italy, France and the UK, all of which have more than twice as many deaths per capita as the US.

Edit: Forgot the most important point, get an ACTUAL healthcare in place.

If you mean a national health service, I believe the overall death totals in the US are much lower than the overall deaths in the EU, which mostly has national health programs. Not knocking socialized health care, but it’s not evident that Medicare for all would have changed anything for the better.

 

[lightseeker]

New York City should have been closed much earlier, but that was a local decision, and can’t be laid on the account of the US government. In the second week of March, the mayor of NYC was still telling people to go to bars and restaurants, and only finally closed the city down after his staff threatened to quit.



America banned flights from China on January 30, the same day that the WHO was announcing that travel restrictions were unnecessary. The US then effectively shut their airports to the rest of the world on March 13, which was about the same time as, or before, most other nations. By comparison, Canada was still allowing flights from China at that time.



Again, I think the response time and efforts for this were at the global average. No country has had an easy time with this. Supply problems and depleted stocks were the norm.



I don’t recall them blaming anyone four months ago, but it’s become clear in recent weeks how much China has screwed over the rest of the world, and they should be blamed. Four months ago China was scouting the world, depleting everyone else’s stocks of PPE, while lying about the severity of the virus that was spreading in their country, and since then have been selling back shitty replacements and tests that were infected with the virus.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1255508281696583680

Everyone was downplaying it.

Or making it political.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1222964716320018436

Or just being stupid. This is a tweet from the chair of the New York City Council Health Committee:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1226566648729133056

On March 9 Joe Biden was still holding political rallies. Trump had his last one a week before that, true, but based on what I’ve shown you, it’s hard to make the case that anyone in America would have done anything differently than the present US government did.



Not per capita. They aren’t even anywhere near the top. Belgium has four times as meant deaths per 100k as the US does, and is followed by Spain, Italy, France and the UK, all of which have more than twice as many deaths per capita as the US.



If you mean a national health service, I believe the overall death totals in the US are much lower than the overall deaths in the EU, which mostly has national health programs. Not knocking socialized health care, but it’s not evident that Medicare for all would have changed anything for the better.

Here’s another beauty for your collection

 

[justjess]

Trump held a rally in Scranton in March 6th. Js.

If you look at states per capita death rates many have rates much higher then the highest rates in other countries.

 

[Thunderian]

I will add that any country that did not use the lead time they had between the issue erupting in China,

Had China not lied for so long about what was going on — and there is no question they covered up the truth — I would be more sympathetic to your position on this.

 

[Thunderian]

Trump held a rally in Scranton in March 6th. Js.

Yes, I pointed out that Trump was still holding rallies, but I thought his last one was in Charlotte on March 2. Are you sure he didn’t cancel the one in the Electric City?

If you look at states per capita death rates many have rates much higher then the highest rates in other countries.

Yes, but we were talking about the national response and the national numbers. NYC wildly skews the NY state totals, which are skewing the national totals, but as I pointed out, that’s something De Blasio needs to answer for as much as anyone else.