Coronavirus

[B_JMNN]

As far as I heard, they are scared of getting infected

Oh, you're talking about non-infected people. I can see the reasoning for that.

One reason here, People are worried about if they'll be billed for it, and the trust of insurance companies isn't that great for some.

 

[illuminatimess]

Oh, you're talking about non-infected people. I can see the reasoning for that.

One reason here, People are worried about if they'll be billed for it, and the trust of insurance companies isn't that great for some.

Damn, I can’t believe that you guys are struggling with this issue. Health care should be a universal human right, irrespective of where you are from.

Especially USA could afford to offer health care for everyone instead of pumping money into military.

 

[B_JMNN]

Most people do not get autopsies when they die on a regular basis.

If you look at the individual health department data the confirmed and presumed are separated. If your just looking at world o meters then yes they are lumping it all in, it’s a composite site.

See, those World o meters just make it seem worse. Why aren't they mentioning IHDD numbers?

I know many don't get autopsies (religious reasons being a main one), so it's hard to tell.

As I take it, none of this lockdown seems necessary now. It'd be best to slowly open.

I will not take the vaccine as I see no reason too. I haven't taken a flu shot either. I do wash my hands a lot, it amazes me how many do not bother to wash at all or just put soap and don't scrub.

I can understand not infecting grandma, but that's on me to not visit grandma. And if I lived with her, to be extra cautious myself around people. That's a dilemma though for the rural community, which is why the Navajo nation is hit hard with it.

 

[justjess]

Airborne Coronavirus Detected in Wuhan Hospitals (Published 2020)

While the RNA of the virus was found in tiny droplets in China, scientists don’t know if it was capable of transmitting the virus.

www.nytimes.com

So it would appear my gut feeling about this being airborne from the start may be correct. Expect numbers to reduce more 2 weeks post mask wearing protocols started, rather then from stay at home orders. If anyone knows when mask protocols started I’d be willing to look at the numbers to test it out.

 

[B_JMNN]

Damn, I can’t believe that you guys are struggling with this issue. Health care should be a universal human right, irrespective of where you are from.

Especially USA could afford to offer health care for everyone instead of pumping money into military.

Me too, I don't see a reason for health insurance at all. Car and Home insurance I can get behind as those are materialistic things that can be replaced.

It is ironic how the US has a poor healthcare system that's rich.

 

[justjess]

See, those World o meters just make it seem worse. Why aren't they mentioning IHDD numbers?

I know many don't get autopsies (religious reasons being a main one), so it's hard to tell.

As I take it, none of this lockdown seems necessary now. It'd be best to slowly open.

I will not take the vaccine as I see no reason too. I haven't taken a flu shot either. I do wash my hands a lot, it amazes me how many do not bother to wash at all or just put soap and don't scrub.

I can understand not infecting grandma, but that's on me to not visit grandma. And if I lived with her, to be extra cautious myself around people. That's a dilemma though for the rural community, which is why the Navajo nation is hit hard with it.

I think when all is said and done the excess mortality for this period is going to be even higher then the numbers we are being given. A few areas that have started looking into this are already finding that.

I’m convinced this is air borne and wearing masks would have been a more appropriate intervention (due to decreased side effects) then shutting down. If combining both interventions doesn’t cause a massive decrease in the next couple weeks I just don’t know..

 

[B_JMNN]

I think when all is said and done the excess mortality for this period is going to be even higher then the numbers we are being given. A few areas that have started looking into this are already finding that.

I’m convinced this is air borne and wearing masks would have been a more appropriate intervention (due to decreased side effects) then shutting down. If combining both interventions doesn’t cause a massive decrease in the next couple weeks I just don’t know..

Sadly, it shows just how unhealthy we are as a nation. How many of us have underlying conditions susceptible to this?

 

[justjess]

Sadly, it shows just how unhealthy we are as a nation. How many of us have underlying conditions susceptible to this?

Considering the underlying condition doesn’t even have to be related to the respiratory system.. probably a majority of Americans, with many not even knowing they’re at risk because they can’t afford to go to a dr and are undiagnosed.

 

[The Zone]

I bet when the government ties benefits to the vaccine we will see some here all in on it. They may kick up a fuss but in the end, Daddy government will win. Thankfully there are a ton of people who will not take it no matter what and they will be deemed undesirable and a danger to society, reeducated and forced to vax. Half the people in these spattering of protests have some mixed with them to garner media attention on the negative aspects in to start trouble. They will gladly point to protestors as being the reason if there is a kickback outbreak. Okay, back to MSM stats...

 

[illuminatimess]

Me too, I don't see a reason for health insurance at all. Car and Home insurance I can get behind as those are materialistic things that can be replaced.

It is ironic how the US has a poor healthcare system that's rich.

Especially the fact that you have to think about going to the hospital or not.

 

[justjess]

I bet when the government ties benefits to the vaccine we will see some here all in on it. They may kick up a fuss but in the end, Daddy government will win. Thankfully there are a ton of people who will not take it no matter what and they will be deemed undesirable and a danger to society, reeducated and forced to vax. Half the people in these spattering of protests have some mixed with them to garner media attention on the negative aspects in to start trouble. They will gladly point to protestors as being the reason if there is a kickback outbreak. Okay, back to MSM stats...

I literally don’t take the flu shot and don’t take the medication recommended to me for MS (actually can’t find a neurologist who will take me as a client because of this). Wont get my kids new vaccines without atleast a decade of data. So I think these “msm” parrotters might surprise you. I own my own business and I can easily open another one if it came down to that. I’m not taking a vaccine.

What is your issue? So I’m taking the numbers seriously because I’ve seen them play out in my own community? Does that mean I’ve swallowed everything the msm is telling me? Are you not aware there’s a whole lot of grey in between the black and white you keep insisting on?

 

[Thunderian]

To be fair no body really reacted as quick as they should've. Some were just extra worse (USA).

What could the US have done better, in your opinion? That’s a sincere question.

 

[justjess]

The thing that bothers me the most about the US response was the initial messaging about masks.. it was clearly deliberately bullshit.

“No you don’t need a mask, it won’t help you” one side of mouth
“We have a dire shortage of masks to protect our healthcare workers” other side of mouth.

I watched the numbers continue to rise exponentially even past the incubation period once stay at home measures were implemented.

Know when they started to fall in certain places?

Once people were told they should wear masks and some places made it mandatory.

 

[The Zone]

I literally don’t take the flu shot and don’t take the medication recommended to me for MS (actually can’t find a neurologist who will take me as a client because of this). Wont get my kids new vaccines without atleast a decade of data. So I think these “msm” parrotters might surprise you. I own my own business and I can easily open another one if it came down to that. I’m not taking a vaccine.

What is your issue? So I’m taking the numbers seriously because I’ve seen them play out in my own community? Does that mean I’ve swallowed everything the msm is telling me? Are you not aware there’s a whole lot of grey in between the black and white you keep insisting on?

Umm, did I say [Dear, Just Jess,] in my post? What black and white am I insisting on? It would seem I am tied into past comments? It was just a post.

 

[justjess]

Umm, did I say [Just Jess,] in my post? What black and white am I insisting on? It would seem I am tied into past comments? It was just a post.

People who trust or post anything from MSM versus what you seem to be implying are real conspiracy theorists. And yes, you are going to be tied into past comments from the same thread when in said thread and when it represents a pattern.

There’s the msm info and there’s the YouTube/conspiracy info. Somewhere in the Middle lies the truth. Everyone has an incentive to skew the truth here, and quite frankly no one even knows the full truth nor will they for quite some time.

This has been a constant that ebbs and flows ever since I joined here. If you don’t agree with the conspiracy of the day then your just an msm parrot, regardless of how many other conspiracies you do agree with and regardless of if you just have another take on the same conspiracy in question.

For the record. The northeast is about two weeks out from mandating masks. Numbers are just starting to fall in a statistically significant manner. If masks are a potential exit strategy to this nightmare that might be something we want to pay attention to. And could explain a whole lot of the earlier inconsistencies and drama that ensued with this situation... the people in charge knew we didn’t have masks, knew this shit was airborne, and one thing led to another. I’m still fleshing it out, but I’m doing so by looking at the numbers and taking information from literally everywhere that seems reliable and objective.

I’ve never in my life even imagined a situation where government would hurt their own pockets unless it was some way to avoid emptying their pockets even more so at a later date. My “conspiracy” has always been about money - and how it’s used and weaponized in different ways, in different places, towards different people.

 

[illuminatimess]

Somewhere in the Middle lies the truth

This!!!

 

[The Zone]

People who trust or post anything from MSM versus what you seem to be implying are real conspiracy theorists. And yes, you are going to be tied into past comments from the same thread when in said thread and when it represents a pattern.

There’s the msm info and there’s the YouTube/conspiracy info. Somewhere in the Middle lies the truth. Everyone has an incentive to skew the truth here, and quite frankly no one even knows the full truth nor will they for quite some time.

This has been a constant that ebbs and flows ever since I joined here. If you don’t agree with the conspiracy of the day then your just an msm parrot, regardless of how many other conspiracies you do agree with and regardless of if you just have another take on the same conspiracy in question.

For the record. The northeast is about two weeks out from mandating masks. Numbers are just starting to fall in a statistically significant manner. If masks are a potential exit strategy to this nightmare that might be something we want to pay attention to. And could explain a whole lot of the earlier inconsistencies and drama that ensued with this situation... the people in charge knew we didn’t have masks, knew this shit was airborne, and one thing led to another. I’m still fleshing it out, but I’m doing so by looking at the numbers and taking information from literally everywhere that seems reliable and objective.

I’ve never in my life even imagined a situation where government would hurt their own pockets unless it was some way to avoid emptying their pockets even more so at a later date. My “conspiracy” has always been about money - and how it’s used and weaponized in different ways, in different places, towards different people.

What the heck? It sounds more like you have the hang up and not me. Get back to me when you have something different to say on page 378. Ever since you joined here? Exaggerate much Jess? Do me a favor and keep your drama and feel free to complain away as usual.

 

[manama]

What could the US have done better, in your opinion? That’s a sincere question.

Closing NYC on time, closing airports on time and try to get as much tests and PPE as they could've.

Instead they spent 4 months playing the blame game and calling the virus "not that serious" and now successfully have the highest infection and death count.

Edit: Forgot the most important point, get an ACTUAL healthcare in place.

 

[TokiEl]

 

[Thunderian]

The thing that bothers me the most about the US response was the initial messaging about masks.. it was clearly deliberately bullshit.

“No you don’t need a mask, it won’t help you” one side of mouth
“We have a dire shortage of masks to protect our healthcare workers” other side of mouth.

I watched the numbers continue to rise exponentially even past the incubation period once stay at home measures were implemented.

Know when they started to fall in certain places?

Once people were told they should wear masks and some places made it mandatory.

That was the WHO line on masks, though, and Canada’s messaging was even worse.