Coronavirus

VigCizMember · Apr 16, 2020

justjess said:
Don’t you know? We are all liars

Yeah it’s definitely real! It’s just so hard to tell what the heck is going on with it - I feel like the more studies I read, the more reports that come in, the more elusive this thing becomes

Hooligan69 · Apr 16, 2020

Ontario Premier, Doug Ford, bluntly says PM Trudeau should tell US President Trump “no, absolutely not” if he asks to reopen the border. Ford says the Americans are our closest allies, but, “I don’t want ‘em in Ontario. I want to protect the people of Ontario first.”

vancityeagle · Apr 16, 2020

VigCizMember said:
Yeah it’s definitely real! It’s just so hard to tell what the heck is going on with it - I feel like the more studies I read, the more reports that come in, the more elusive this thing becomes

We are being flooded with so much disinformation, we have no clue what to believe.

They are trying to steer us into various ways of thinking, and I fear they are ALL leading us away from the truth.

Lisa · Apr 16, 2020

illuminatimess said:
Lisa, to be very honest with you, you are the biggest terrorist here. You harass people, attack people, you lie.

Additionally, you are not even capable of understanding basic things, such as basic mathematics. That’s hazardous. Uneducated people are the worst threat to humanity. Look at Nazis, look at US Army. All of them are weak human beings due to lack of education.

God bless you!

But God bless me? Ok...

What have I lied about? Fyi...I’ve been harasses and attacked quite a lot in my time here. I ask questions....questions that I think should be asked.

illuminatimess · Apr 16, 2020

Lisa said:
But God bless me? Ok...

What have I lied about? Fyi...I’ve been harasses and attacked quite a lot in my time here. I ask questions....questions that I think should be asked.

Yeah, but stop demonizing an entire group of people. You have had these „discussions“ endlessly. The same things could be said about Christians, even though you claim Roman Catholics aren’t Christians lol.

Jesus wouldn’t approve such a behavior.

And yes, God bless you! I wish this even for my biggest enemy. I know, deep inside, you have a good heart. Just let it bloom, like flowers.

Cintra · Apr 16, 2020

Lisa said:
Muslims are terrorists...when the world thinks of terrorism...muslims come to mind...but just the ’radicalized’ version...the rest are peaceful muslims.

I grew up hearing that all terrorists were Irish.
(But of course not all Irish were terrorists.)

Awoken2 · Apr 16, 2020

A gift for all you bible loving folk.....I know you're here in big numbers so you guys should be REALLY lapping this shit up.

Looks like you bible guys do the very best conspiracy theories also.

Thunderian · Apr 16, 2020

Cintra said:
I grew up hearing that all terrorists were Irish.
(But of course not all Irish were terrorists.)

That’s right. Some of them are worse. Some of them are Bono.

Red Sky at Morning · Apr 16, 2020

<Pure conjecture alert>

If I were a Yale Bonesman or a Bohemian Grove attendee with a Fabian inclination and I wanted to create a NWO, I would have watched with interest China’s attempts to engage with gene manipulation, the labs involved and their growing reputation as the bad guys of biological research.

If one of our “elite” labs had managed to create such a virus (and especially if I had access to a vaccine which would be presented with strings attached) I would be tempted to let the world blame the Chinese for it all. I would then use the fallout to reshape the international landscape into something George H.W. Bush would have approved of.

#purespeculation
#couldwellbewrong

Hooligan69 · Apr 16, 2020

Thunderian said:
That’s right. Some of them are worse. Some of them are Bono.

LOL!

Claire Rousseau · Apr 16, 2020

rainerann said:
Maybe, but more than likely not. A pandemic today in an age of sterile processing, antibacterial wipes, vitamins, etc., might end up looking nothing like it did when the Spanish flu was spreading. Even with our "draconian measures" we still have a thousand advantages that they didn't have in 1918.

For example, today I ordered myself some loose leaf licorice root tea with some like mesh bobbles to put in a teacup because I can reuse them. I could have bought the tea bags, but then I might have to buy more and I actually have a little teapot for loose leaf tea, but I'm lazy and I wanted the little mesh balls.

This is because I learned this morning that there has been research suggesting that a property in licorice root is effective in hindering Sars virus replication since 2003. So my spoiled little self thought what the heck. It couldn't hurt and apparently it is also good for your skin too. I mean it would be nice if people were cultivating and testing dosages so that the process of using remedies like this was more precise, but it is not going to hurt me to drink some tea in the meantime. It might even be beneficial since there are positive cases of this within my work environment.

But, it does really make me feel spoiled within the reality of the ugliness that this virus can cause. A sort of dichotomy where you could say it was the best of times and the worst of times. I am still thinking this will all be over soon, because processes are being established to handle this within healthcare and as long as they are there. We probably will be able to get back to normal. Maybe it is wishful thinking though because it is going to start getting hot soon and I am sort of dreading the idea of being under a shelter in place order in hot weather, but we will see.

So the comparison to Spanish flu seems like it would be valid or that the world should appear the same way to justify the same measures, but the world is not the same in just about every other way, so it doesn't work as a valid comparison in many ways too.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(03)13615-X/fulltext

Why Valuable COVID Info Will Be Removed From Mercola.com

Much of the valuable research and information that Dr. Mercola has provided about vitamins D and C, zinc and COVID can no longer be preserved.

articles.mercola.com

I’m all about prevention. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with trying to improve your immunity to avoid getting sick.

My concern is how the media is purposely scaring the public. This will only cause people to panic, and when people are in a state of panic they CANNOT think clearly & logically.

And yes, I do believe that the COVID-19 plandemic is being blown out of proportion...that much is evident by the fact that normal programming is not on TV; it’s all been switched to Coronavirus coverage, that’s all that’s on the news, and people are forced to stay home & social distance does there’s nothing else to do but follow the coverage.

Ingesting non-stop broadcasts on nothing but this plandemic will brainwash anyone. That is the purpose.

It is not as scary & deadly as they are trying to fear monger people to believe...otherwise, they wouldn’t have to pad the numbers of deaths, use mannequins in footage that they pass off as live coverage, or reuse footage from a hospital in Italy, making it look like another hospital in NYC.

It’s these deceptive tactics that make people raise an eyebrow.

Then the CDC makes doctors inflate COVID-19 deaths on death certificates.

AND Medicare is PAYING hospitals $13,000 for each COVID-19 patient, and $39,000 if they are on ventilators? Can you see the incentive to “diagnose” more patients with this??

Thunderian · Apr 16, 2020

rainerann · Apr 16, 2020

Claire Rousseau said:
I’m all about prevention. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with trying to improve your immunity to avoid getting sick.

My concern is how the media is purposely scaring the public. This will only cause people to panic, and when people are in a state of panic they CANNOT think clearly & logically.

And yes, I do believe that the COVID-19 plandemic is being blown out of proportion...that much is evident by the fact that normal programming is not on TV; it’s all been switched to Coronavirus coverage, that’s all that’s on the news, and people are forced to stay home & social distance does there’s nothing else to do but follow the coverage.

Ingesting non-stop broadcasts on nothing but this plandemic will brainwash anyone. That is the purpose.

It is not as scary & deadly as they are trying to fear monger people to believe...otherwise, they wouldn’t have to pad the numbers of deaths, use mannequins in footage that they pass off as live coverage, or reuse footage from a hospital in Italy, making it look like another hospital in NYC.

It’s these deceptive tactics that make people raise an eyebrow.

Then the CDC makes doctors inflate COVID-19 deaths on death certificates.

AND Medicare is PAYING hospitals $13,000 for each COVID-19 patient, and $39,000 if they are on ventilators? Can you see the incentive to “diagnose” more patients with this??

there is so much to unpack here. For one, the news coverage. Who cares. Turn off the tv. let them cover it as much or as often as they want. It makes absolutely no difference to me and most people I know who don’t have cable. The only people I know who do have cable, have it to watch sports. Who are these mindless drones you know who are glued to these cable tv stations watching corona coverage? I don’t know anyone like this.

you and others are giving media just as much attention as they are giving the coronavirus. In fact, there was an article I read the other day that said that they are predicting many people will cancel cable tv because sports are going to be canceled. I just don’t think anyone is following this the way you are suggesting.

sure you can still get these things on the internet but people are not going to be streaming mainstream news sources online all day. Plus some of these networks have paywalls so it is a gross exaggeration that the media’s seeming obsession with coronavirus is doing anything whatsoever to create or incite a somewhat nonexistent panic that you are suggesting. I see no panic anywhere. I have seen no panic anywhere even when we started getting positive cases in my area. Still no panic. Well except for the toilet paper thing, but whatever. That’s not like running into mindless people in the store who are randomly crying about how they are scared they are going to die or something.

this “panic” is something of an illusion in some cases based on how the mind is making a prediction or assumption based on your interpretation of media content.

it is a very ugly and unique disease and it has already been shown to cause long term damage. They aren’t padding the numbers. Im sorry, but that is a Fox News sound bite, which is a contradiction considering you are saying you shouldn’t pay attention to mainstream media.

you have clearly stuck your head in the sand over and over again when it comes to the way cause of death is determined. There is a margin of error and some degree of fluctuation, but these numbers are mainly being collected by hospitals at the moment. What you are suggesting Is that under the witness of thousands of people across the country, a false number of deaths has been reported.

for example, when a person dies in an icu, in addition to a doctor, there are a minimum of 5 people on this unit and in some cases 20 or more people. When this person dies, there is paperwork that is collected by someone. This paperwork is shared by several people and in this case, the number is stored somewhere else that many people have access to.

So there are many, many witnesses when someone dies in a hospital. To say that the media is not reporting accurate numbers would need to be corroborated by a rather large number of people realizing that they haven’t witnessed any deaths. Does this make sense to you?

It would require thousands of people to be complicit in reporting a false number. Within a week of taking care of a positive case in icu, at least 14 nurses will take care of this person and be exposed to every lab test, radiology test, doctor note that this patient has. There are too many people involved for this number to be inaccurate in any significant way. Hundreds of people working in this environment would start to notice this and report this. What you are suggesting is just not possible to accomplish.

your perspective towards this situation is solely based on media reporting while at the same time suggesting that it is unwise to base your perspective on media reporting.

as far as reimbursement goes. Every hospital in this country is losing a massive amount of money right now. You think 13000 is a lot of money to reimburse for a case of covid? That’s pennies. That is like the bare minimum and I’m guessing you know this from some media source because the reimbursement for this is higher profile than the reimbursement for cancer treatment or whatever. So you have no real idea how this compares to the reimbursement for another condition.

I’ll tell you that a hospital makes most of its money doing surgeries. Surgeries and specialties make way more money than infection disease, which is why most people don’t become primary care doctors anymore. Upgrading surgical capabilities is how a hospital increases revenue in the us and most surgical departments are shut down right now, so the hospital is losing lots and lots of money right now. They are actually experiencing the same risk of bankruptcy as small businesses.

So your perspective towards the whole system that is working towards integrating this new condition into our daily workflows is entirely based on conservative mainstream media propaganda. It is basically like listening to an episode of bill o Reilly.

I prefer to find the reality of the situation. Maybe I have an advantage in this case because I actually work in a hospital, but I still don’t see why it is so hard for people outside of this to understand reality.

Lisa · Apr 16, 2020

illuminatimess said:
Yeah, but stop demonizing an entire group of people. You have had these „discussions“ endlessly. The same things could be said about Christians, even though you claim Roman Catholics aren’t Christians lol.

Jesus wouldn’t approve such a behavior.

And yes, God bless you! I wish this even for my biggest enemy. I know, deep inside, you have a good heart. Just let it bloom, like flowers.

Roman catholics aren’t Christians...and I’ve also explained over and over why.

I think if muslims want to stop being seen for who they really are..they should stop terrorizing people. But, I don’t think they can...Ishmael will be a wild donkey of a man who’s hand will be against everyone and everyone against him...scripture is quite accurate.

What behavior? Pointing out the obvious? Jesus loves the truth.

Cintra said:
I grew up hearing that all terrorists were Irish.
(But of course not all Irish were terrorists.)

Sure..but nowadays they are the muslims.

justjess · Apr 16, 2020

rainerann said:
there is so much to unpack here. For one, the news coverage. Who cares. Turn off the tv. let them cover it as much or as often as they want. It makes absolutely no difference to me and most people I know who don’t have cable. The only people I know who do have cable, have it to watch sports. Who are these mindless drones you know who are glued to these cable tv stations watching corona coverage? I don’t know anyone like this.

you and others are giving media just as much attention as they are giving the coronavirus. In fact, there was an article I read the other day that said that they are predicting many people will cancel cable tv because sports are going to be canceled. I just don’t think anyone is following this the way you are suggesting.

sure you can still get these things on the internet but people are not going to be streaming mainstream news sources online all day. Plus some of these networks have paywalls so it is a gross exaggeration that the media’s seeming obsession with coronavirus is doing anything whatsoever to create or incite a somewhat nonexistent panic that you are suggesting. I see no panic anywhere. I have seen no panic anywhere even when we started getting positive cases in my area. Still no panic. Well except for the toilet paper thing, but whatever. That’s not like running into mindless people in the store who are randomly crying about how they are scared they are going to die or something.

this “panic” is something of an illusion in some cases based on how the mind is making a prediction or assumption based on your interpretation of media content.

it is a very ugly and unique disease and it has already been shown to cause long term damage. They aren’t padding the numbers. Im sorry, but that is a Fox News sound bite, which is a contradiction considering you are saying you shouldn’t pay attention to mainstream media.

you have clearly stuck your head in the sand over and over again when it comes to the way cause of death is determined. There is a margin of error and some degree of fluctuation, but these numbers are mainly being collected by hospitals at the moment. What you are suggesting Is that under the witness of thousands of people across the country, a false number of deaths has been reported.

for example, when a person dies in an icu, in addition to a doctor, there are a minimum of 5 people on this unit and in some cases 20 or more people. When this person dies, there is paperwork that is collected by someone. This paperwork is shared by several people and in this case, the number is stored somewhere else that many people have access to.

So there are many, many witnesses when someone dies in a hospital. To say that the media is not reporting accurate numbers would need to be corroborated by a rather large number of people realizing that they haven’t witnessed any deaths. Does this make sense to you?

It would require thousands of people to be complicit in reporting a false number. Within a week of taking care of a positive case in icu, at least 14 nurses will take care of this person and be exposed to every lab test, radiology test, doctor note that this patient has. There are too many people involved for this number to be inaccurate in any significant way. Hundreds of people working in this environment would start to notice this and report this. What you are suggesting is just not possible to accomplish.

your perspective towards this situation is solely based on media reporting while at the same time suggesting that it is unwise to base your perspective on media reporting.

as far as reimbursement goes. Every hospital in this country is losing a massive amount of money right now. You think 13000 is a lot of money to reimburse for a case of covid? That’s pennies. That is like the bare minimum and I’m guessing you know this from some media source because the reimbursement for this is higher profile than the reimbursement for cancer treatment or whatever. So you have no real idea how this compares to the reimbursement for another condition.

I’ll tell you that a hospital makes most of its money doing surgeries. Upgrading surgical capabilities is how a hospital increases revenue in the us and most surgical departments are shut down right now, so the hospital is losing lots and lots of money right now. They are actually experiencing the same risk of bankruptcy as small businesses.

So your perspective towards the whole system that is working towards integrating this new condition into our daily workflows is entirely based on conservative mainstream media propaganda. It is basically like listening to an episode of bill o Reilly.

I prefer to find the reality of the situation. Maybe I have an advantage in this case because I actually work in a hospital, but I still don’t see why it is so hard for people outside of this to understand reality.

For the same reason when you try to explain how CPS works and the problems with some of these sensationalized families stories you get looked at as an agent of “the man” or whatever. People are more comfortable in their own version of reality, even when - sometimes especially when - it involves completely abandoning common sense.

Cintra · Apr 16, 2020

Lisa said:
Sure..but nowadays they are the muslims.

Not really.

Lisa · Apr 16, 2020

Cintra said:
Not really.

They aren’t terrorizing people world wide though.

Islam: The Politically Incorrect Truth

Is Islam really a Religion of Peace? What makes Islam so different?

www.thereligionofpeace.com

Hooligan69 · Apr 16, 2020

All white people are terrorists.

Cintra · Apr 16, 2020

Lisa said:
They aren’t terrorizing people world wide though.

Islam: The Politically Incorrect Truth

Is Islam really a Religion of Peace? What makes Islam so different?

www.thereligionofpeace.com

Does that matter?
I grew up getting searched every time I went into a public building.

Are my experiences unimportant and irrelevant because they are not in the narrow range of your vision?

illuminatimess · Apr 16, 2020

Hooligan69 said:
All white people are terrorists.

We been knew

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