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Maes17

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There’s between 100-200 deaths occurring in NYC daily, people dying at home or nursing homes, that aren’t being counted in the statistics for covid deaths. This is numerous multiples over the normal amount of people who die at home in nyc. This is from reports coming in from emt’s, coroners, funeral homes, families.

The only people being counted in ny’s death tolls are the ones dying in the hospital who were tested for corona virus prior to their death.

Everything is fishy here. Everything. But the government doesn’t lock us in our houses, destroy the economy, and send money to people if there isn’t something massive going on. What exactly that is.. idk.
It’s a government power grab imo.
The virus is real and does take out people your typical colds/flu’s take out every year.

But the virus is an excuse for the government to impose curfews, stay at home orders etc.
Granted these lockdowns and stay at home orders are similar worldwide. Makes you ponder if it’s an NWO thing.

^^^
Just my conspiracy theory.
 

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Yet there could be cases of over-reporting or jumping to conclusions as well, but wouldn't it be in the best interest of TPTB to under-report? To make it seem less serious so more people die and they get the population control they've always wanted?
Population control aren't necessarily mean killing off every living soul opposing TPTB. They will alway need the sheeple to build and power their NWO world. Rather, I believe population control mean what it mean, controlling the population. This is mind control at it best, getting the majority of the population to believe in this huge lie and then making them beg for a solution (vaccines, id2020). Problem -> Reaction -> Solution. This method will be similar to how they roll out the Mark of the Beast. People are going to be begging and lining up for it.
 

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More government to the rescue?

More like...
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......if you remember the past (Greece put in a straitjacket by the Troika)
something else for people to consider

this operation clearly has multiple agendas, but one I haven't seen people talk about is this

This Covid-19 "crisis" would be the perfect scapegoat for a worldwide economic recession THAT WAS SLATED TO HAPPEN BEFORE ALL OF THIS TOOK PLACE

Bush Juniors tax breaks for the billionaires and the neoliberal policies in place for decades lead to the 2008 global recession.

It has long been speculated that due to Trump's stax breaks that we would soon witness another recession at a much bigger level, and that they could only artificially prop it up for so long.

This "crisis" could be a way out for the Trump administration to excuse their causing of another recession, and blame it on the Covid/China.

I think this another one of many agendas behind all of this.
This Simpson's clip deserves to be posted in this thread, given the times....
(President Trump left us quite the budget crunch)

 
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A re-post but important to keep in mind:

Covid-19 Death Figures- A Substantial Overestimate

"Due to these policies, the simple fact is we have no reliable way of knowing how many people have died from this coronavirus. We have no hard data at all. And governments and international organisations are going out of their way to keep it that way.

It’s time we started asking why."
From the article, "Jack (jim)" made this comment, and I thought he made an insightful observation:

"The successes of the Corona virus for the Banking, Corporate military industrial complex:

The lockdown causes the measured stressing and indebting them to the banks (which we are bailing out) of thousands of small and medium size companies, bringing them to the verge of bankruptcy and making them ripe for takeover at fire sale prices.

The transfer of trillions in loans and gifts to US corporations, (when they don’t need the money), to buy up the medium size companies that undermine their monopolies and cartels, this will further entrench the power of the few oligarchs that own the USA. Amazon is allowed to function and is massively extending it’s market share, as it is in effect the only company allowed by law to provide almost all ‘none essential‘ goods.

The Virus is useful in creating a ‘flight to safety’ to the dollar, at a time when it’s value is being destroyed by a massive new QE money printing program, which was started to shore-up the banking liquidity crisis (bank run) which began only weeks before the arrival of the virus in the American banking system. The Fed is now allowed to provide infinite cash to shore up the bank.The military and their surveillance arms, get an extension of surveillance, unrestricted tracking in cooperation with US tech, and in the case of the UK the removal of warranted surveillance allowing MI5 and others to track and listen as they wish. For the military this is also a full martial law dry run, making it a regular tool of the Empire."
 

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HOW HONEST IS THE COVID FATALITY COUNT?
He is saying pretty much the same thing that was in this article that The Zone posted.

I love how the media always calls it the "antivaxxer movement", as if its some monolith, not just people who have been negatively affected by them, don't want them, don't want all of them, or any other reason. I wouldn't be surprised if we saw a "Leader of The Anti-Vaxxer Movement" arise so the media has a face and a centralized power to go against, who will inevitably make a fool of themselves, spread false information, and discredit anyone who doesn't want a vaccine for any reason. And we can learn that they were from an intelligence agency 10 years later.
I think that antivaxx momentum was building, especially with the Vaxxed (I&II) documentaries, because alot of people who were on the fence about vaccines were being persuaded but coronavirus is a game changer. There will obviously be longterm effects from this lockdown and i think that people won't be so kind to antivaxxers because they will remember the cost of the shut down. Now that the precedent has been set, those in power will hold towns/cities hostage until "trouble makers" are brought in.
 

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He is saying pretty much the same thing that was in this article that The Zone posted.


I think that antivaxx momentum was building, especially with the Vaxxed (I&II) documentaries, because alot of people who were on the fence about vaccines were being persuaded but coronavirus is a game changer. There will obviously be longterm effects from this lockdown and i think that people won't be so kind to antivaxxers because they will remember the cost of the shut down. Now that the precedent has been set, those in power will hold towns/cities hostage until "trouble makers" are brought in.
"How to identify and report a selfish unvaxxed to your local authority" ... coming to a town near you.
 
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Everyone needs to check this video out. It’s a little under an hour long but it is presented incredibly well with some very shocking and interesting information.
 

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Just so everyone knows, at least in the case of the us, all reported deaths that people have been using as comparison studies are collected exactly the same way. The cause of death is more often than not at the discretion of the doctor. Many times, patients who die in hospitals will have their death certificates signed by primary physicians that never even saw their patient while they were staying in the hospital one time if that hospital has doctors that work internal to the hospital.

The patient can still be considered the responsibility of the primary care doctor to give cause of death for a death certificate, which means if covid deaths are not being reported accurately, neither are pneumonia, aids, cancer, stroke, etc.

They are all determined in a similar way. In reality, cause of death that is used to determine statistics is always only an estimation to a certain extent that has some degree of variance to consider. So if covid deaths aren’t reported accurately, no one should be using statistics comparing covid deaths to flu deaths as though those were collected with a system that included a different process.

it is really laughable to see everyone jumping in shock, like oh my gosh they can just say they died of covid even if their test was still pending while they were in the icu dying from all the symptoms of covid. Why didn’t they check to see if they had a stroke. Why didn’t they role the body down and get them scanned before they died just to make sure so they don’t scare people.

because they don’t do that already 95% of the time. That is not the way it works. There is usually a limited number of coroners per county, and they usually only investigate if there is reason to believe that death didn’t happen naturally. It is an impossible expectation to have them and the limited number of pathologists available in a country screen every patient in a location with upward of 20,000 cases.

when getting these opinion pieces on cause of death, do yourself a favor and try to see if you can verify some of this by looking up the number of cases and trying to find out if they list the number of coroners or pathologists in the location. My guess is that the UK does not have enough people trained to perform this expectation. I can guarantee a place like New York doesn’t.

this is where a guidance like the CDC has, comes from, because doctors want to know what to do and no one can really be there to tell them what to do in every case when there are this many cases because there are really a lot of cases.

I really think the years of studying this thing called predictive programming have been more damaging for the ones that assume they are seeing evidence of predictive programming than for the people that this was supposed to be affecting on a subconscious level. It is not like people don’t do shady stuff, but the world does not exist as a dichotomy between media and those who oppose what is being said in media when the people who are opposing what is said in media still are unable to give you a rational explanation of how things are done for comparison.

the media has never been responsible for the way we have always kept track of pneumonia deaths but because these opinions pieces narrowly look at the situation through the funnel of covid, many people seem to be under the impression that many things are different on an ordinary day and the media is moving in on this to brainwash you with a picture that does not reflect the reality of how things are done otherwise.

there is really no reason to question the numbers for the reasons that they are being questioned and keeping track of these numbers right now is an absolutely miserable and meticulous process. Or it is as meticulous as it can be and I cant wait for it all to be over because of it.
 
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I'm not disputing anything in this video. Good info.

Bill Gates is a terrible human being, and I dont trust him one bit, but lets not act like he is the one orchestrating this all by himself. He's probably a fall guy of some sort receiving his orders from above.
Agreed.

You are aware that Alex Jones and Infowars ARE a US intelligence operation ? Alex Jones ADMITTED THIS himself. Its just he frames it in a way that they are "THE GOOD CIA" LOL
Yep. There's also the STRATFOR connection.

I wonder what your opinion is on why US intelligence is "exposing" the Bill Gates agenda.
It could be a form of self-announcement. They are so brazen at this point they want people to make these connections beforehand, as a show of force, knowing they will get away with whatever they wish. At the same time, it's likely also serving as a distraction for the rest of this military operation.

I can only make speculations as to what their real agenda is, but make no mistake THERE IS ONE, and it isn't telling us the whole unadulterated truth.
Agreed. As a Zionist shill, there has been a noticeable lack of attention spent on the counterfeit-Jewish state of Israel over the years, which is inexcusable for someone in the business of exposing the parasitic criminal class.

For all the work Jones has done to expose Eugenics/population control (usually by attacking the usual "liberal" targets like Margaret Sanger) are you aware that the networks behind Jones also have links to not only Eugenics, but the Nazi party as well ?
The CIA has controlled the media for decades. 9/11 exposed that in an unprecedented way for anyone who was paying attention (see "September Clues"). A couple of AJ's former employees have done a nice job of revealing the CIA in this regard as well (truth stream media).

It would be completely naive for people to think that AJ can enjoy the success he does and somehow be outside CIA control. As Lenin (a counterfeit Jew) said: "the best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves."

I suspect that folks like Dr. Fauci will be framed as "the deep state" trying to force Trump to do what he doesn't want to. Nothing is ever Trump's fault, its always a "deep state" figure to blame. Yeah I know Trump is just a figurehead, an actor etc. he's just the face of the elites agenda, while pretending he's got nothing to do with all the negative stuff.

what's your take ?
That absolutely nothing on this planet is what it appears to be. Any time one is willing to peel back the thin veneer on any of these systems, what they invariably find is a framework rotten to the core. We should have drained the swamp a long time ago ourselves. Hoping someone else is going to do it for us is what landed us in this position. As Edmund Burke said:

"All that's required for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing."
 

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Watch this video! It's of a nurse opening up about her work shift. So sad. :(

Before anyone starts entertaining whether something like this is fake, consider the word HIPAA and how everything this nurse is saying is effectively protecting private information about the patients she has taken care of.

There are too many people who seem to think that the most reliable information is going to come from people who have never worked in healthcare because they are saying something contrary to the other people on major media networks who are also never worked in healthcare because as an audience to these sources they have also never worked in healthcare.

This was a very good explanation of how cause of death is determined all the time by a very intelligent doctor who explains how the process should be considered in relation to establishing public policies according to this process.

As a result, the numbers are really as accurate as any of the numbers are for flu, stroke, heart disease, etc. There are no more inaccurate than they are for anything else. However, the number of covid deaths should not be used as a justification for policies that could be considered an invasion of privacy as an example.

Therefore, the numbers are not good right now. It is not good to see to this many people dying with symptoms of covid even if they also have diabetes or whatever. Becoming afraid because this is a reality is not going to help the situation. It is not 1900. There are reasons to expect that this situation can be addressed in a much quicker and efficient manner than they would have been able to do 100 years ago.

No one needs to panic, but they also shouldn't be trying to pacify questions about these things with reading material written by nonmedical people basically saying that it is all just an exaggerated situation.
 
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Maes17

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Donate that to the general public.
If stores are having trouble restocking then create business with the stores. Wtf?
Are farmers that greedy?
 
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