@rainerann you said
The savior is necessary because death was inherited when Adam and Eve disobeyed God in the Garden of Eden.The savior is necessary because death was inherited when Adam and Eve disobeyed God in the Garden of Eden.
The whole topic is about desire itself, our carnal nature.
where does it originate? the moment the soul became self-aware they recognised God/submission to God......but then they became aware of all 'else' and at that moment the fire of desire was born.
the fire wasnt because of sin, the sin was a consequence of the fire.
The fire is our carnal nature/the flesh. It IS the serpent. That is why the Jinns are made of fire and angels are made of light. The jinns posessed the next level of awareness..and humans have it too. The jinns are called seraphs in the bible.
Seraphs=burning serpents. When the fire is directed/controlled and upwards that fire becomes, a light...and therefore they rank higher than all the angels of light. However when that fire is not controlled it becomes a burning fire..hence 'burning serpents'.
Their nature is also part of our nature, our lower nature.The serpent being put on the staff of Moses, symbolised the death of the seraphim. The israelites were healed from this symbol.
Jesus dying on the cross is also linked to the death of the serpent...
Basically the LAW represents the control of that fire, bringing it under control. Conquest of the nafs in islam.
Killing the serpent goes a step further.
Obv christians wont get this, but for any muslim reading...
submission=the state of islam
killing the nafs=the state of Ihsan
ihsan means to worship Allah as if we see Him, it is a state where a person completely lets go of the 'self' and is lost in contemplation of God.
These are the levels required...christians think they need to just say some words with the tongue and that is all. In reality the crucifixion was meant as a metaphysical symbol but you were meant to follow that path yourselves and put your carnal nature to death.
Galatians 2:20
"I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.
Ephesians 4:22-24
and put on the new self, which in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth.
Luke 9:23-24
And He was saying to them all, "If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross daily and follow Me. "For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake, he is the one who will save it.
Romans 6:11-14
Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus. Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts, and do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.
Romans 12:1-2
Therefore I urge you, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service of worship. And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect.
1 Peter 4:1-2
Therefore, since Christ has suffered in the flesh, arm yourselves also with the same purpose, because he who has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin,
Galatians 5:24
Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
Luke 14:33
"So then, none of you can be My disciple who does not give up all his own possessions.
Titus 2:12
instructing us to deny ungodliness and worldly desires and to live sensibly, righteously and godly in the present age,
this myth that Jesus did all the work so you can sit on your fat american asses is just weak and anti-christian if anything.
Saying Jesus paid the price referring to your accountability of sin, completely contradictsd what Jesus said ie he will return and reject many because they were sinful, yet obv believed in him.
if you don't follow Jesus with the cross and live like he did, you are not worthy of him.
if you think you don't need to live like him because he did it for you, you are following your own delusion.
He built the path, but you have to walk that path.
Romans 6:8
Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him,
Romans 6:6-7
knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; for he who has died is freed from sin.
Galatians 6:14
But may it never be that I would boast, except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.
the amount of quotes here...still doesnt register for many/most of you.