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Good luck! I've had pretty good success by physically restraining myself from clicking on any BTS performances or songs on Youtube. I've also done ok at keeping myself from visiting sites like Allkpop.com but if I'm there, I will still unfortunately click if I see a story about them. Just for one second ... and bam! It's like a thousand points of light and instant joy at seeing them, and I have to remember who and what they are and get out. I come here, where I also see BTS videos and Twitter clips yay! But reality hits here on this thread. It's endlessly funny to me that the videos and pictures commenters post here are not meant in any way to praise them, which is what I'm used to, but to examine them and talk about what's really going on. Now that is valuable in breaking an addiction.

I deleted everything "BTS" from my laptop and no longer play their music at all. I replaced it with other kpop because I love it, but not anything freaky evil as far as I can see.

I also realize that I am/was obsessed with mere humans (who I don't even know) the same way a person can be addicted to cigarettes or booze. I've found that Idolatry is just as destructive and fills up the time we have allotted to us for more constructive things. It hijacks our thoughts, our sleep, our entire lives and attempts to replace the Lord entirely. That's the demonic plan. We may be born again, but being so makes us targets to be influenced by the dark side in very personal ways. I try to keep in mind Proverbs 25:28, "Whoever has no rule over his own spirit Is like a city broken down, without walls."
I think its difficult to let go when they've painted such a convincing picture that they're good people and when there music is quite good, but you're absolutely right. Their intentions obviously aren't pure and this forum serves as a strong reminder of that, as heartbreaking as it is. Thank you for answering, i appreciate it.
 

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I think its difficult to let go when they've painted such a convincing picture that they're good people and when there music is quite good, but you're absolutely right. Their intentions obviously aren't pure and this forum serves as a strong reminder of that, as heartbreaking as it is. Thank you for answering, i appreciate it.
I’m struggling with the same thing as well so I feel you. They started to take over my life and I felt something really wrong in my spirit about it and how unhealthy it is. Still scares me and confuses me why this band in particular is so addicting.
I’m still in the process of creating a healthy balance in my life with it but firstly I muted/unfollowed accounts on twitter, Instagram, Facebook that has to do with them. I don’t listen to their music as for now, in the future I might but it will probably be a song or two if I’m being honest.
It’s hard because I still like them and don’t want to think they’re evil people but I also know the ins and outs of the music industry and basically just the evil the world is built on. Nothing is ever as innocent as presented and so much goes on behind the scenes that we have discussed here as we all know so it’s hard.
My relationship with God has suffered immensely because every waking moment has been spent just being all about them. Even if I’m not doing anything that’s related to them I’m still thinking of them which is just so insane. I pray for you to be free from this chain that seems to be holding you regarding them. Good luck my sweet xo
 
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Thank you for your response. The music video for ON is very symbolic.. Would be interesting to know what it all means
There are a lot of comments about ON around the 1238 page (give or take) mark. But my take was that they were mocking God, his holy symbols, the sacrifice of his son, claiming that earth’s regeneration would come after the dark forces prevailed, and that they are trying to fight their way into heaven, (getting to heaven is a theme throughout the album), fight with the true God, and rule the earth themselves.

None of the illusion was real and they are going to lead so many people to a willing death for them. They got big globally, but I’m so glad that the numbers are a bit artificial, because numbers of streams do not translate to numbers of fans.
 

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I’m struggling with the same thing as well so I feel you. They started to take over my life and I felt something really wrong in my spirit about it and how unhealthy it is. Still scares me and confuses me why this band in particular is so addicting.
I’m still in the process of creating a healthy balance in my life with it but firstly I muted/unfollowed accounts on twitter, Instagram, Facebook that has to do with them. I don’t listen to their music as for now, in the future I might but it will probably be a song or two if I’m being honest.
It’s hard because I still like them and don’t want to think they’re evil people but I also know the ins and outs of the music industry and basically just the evil the world is built on. Nothing is ever as innocent as presented and so much goes on behind the scenes that we have discussed here as we all know so it’s hard.
My relationship with God has suffered immensely because every waking moment has been spent just being all about them. Even if I’m not doing anything that’s related to them I’m still thinking of them which is just so insane. I pray for you to be free from this chain that seems to be holding you regarding them. Good luck my sweet xo
Im just glad that there are others who see through the perfect "personas" that BT3 presents. I too dont want to see them as evil but as you said, they creep into ones spirit and even though they preach all these positive themes such as "love yourself", it still somehow doesn't sit well with me.
 

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There are a lot of comments about ON around the 1238 page (give or take) mark. But my take was that they were mocking God, his holy symbols, the sacrifice of his son, claiming that earth’s regeneration would come after the dark forces prevailed, and that they are trying to fight their way into heaven, (getting to heaven is a theme throughout the album), fight with the true God, and rule the earth themselves.

None of the illusion was real and they are going to lead so many people to a willing death for them. They got big globally, but I’m so glad that the numbers are a bit artificial, because numbers of streams do not translate to numbers of fans.
Your analysis makes so much sense. The religious symbols are central in the video but i couldn't quite piece together the message they were sending. After reading this, i dont think there can be any other meaning.

I agree with you with regard to the theme of reaching heaven as being a major theme in the album.. Especially with regard to the song "We are bulletproof: The eternal". The fact that they mention that they have the whole army with them, as opposed to just being 7 members ties in with what you said about leading many people to a willing death for them. Also the lyrics "We got to heaven"

The obsessive behavior of army streaming their videos is so insane and is a major reason why i dont regard myself as an "Army" but rather just as a fan(not that all BT3 army is crazy and obsessive, but a lot of them make it seem that way) . The views are really not organic because they aren't streamed out of pure enjoyment of the videos but because of the obsessive behavior of Armys. Its like they're in some kind of trance and if BT3 isnt at the top or disbands, i really dont know what will happen to those poor fans who live their lives for BT3
 

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the only thing creepy about this are his eyes. his eyes are so dark, literally emotionless and slightly pink, he looks very tired and skinny! and kind of older with the stubble. Go outside and walk your dog!

someone commented how his floor is shinier than their skin, i mean who knows if he has even ever walked over that area lol. wait maybe we now know he does daily ACTIVE activities leaving his house in peak maintanance and does not just spend playing video games! Also his dog always looks clean and glamorous, tae looks like he just woke up from a hangover lol at least in that recent pic!
 
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Your analysis makes so much sense. The religious symbols are central in the video but i couldn't quite piece together the message they were sending. After reading this, i dont think there can be any other meaning.

I agree with you with regard to the theme of reaching heaven as being a major theme in the album.. Especially with regard to the song "We are bulletproof: The eternal". The fact that they mention that they have the whole army with them, as opposed to just being 7 members ties in with what you said about leading many people to a willing death for them. Also the lyrics "We got to heaven"

The obsessive behavior of army streaming their videos is so insane and is a major reason why i dont regard myself as an "Army" but rather just as a fan(not that all BT3 army is crazy and obsessive, but a lot of them make it seem that way) . The views are really not organic because they aren't streamed out of pure enjoyment of the videos but because of the obsessive behavior of Armys. Its like they're in some kind of trance and if BT3 isnt at the top or disbands, i really dont know what will happen to those poor fans who live their lives for BT3
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Your analysis makes so much sense. The religious symbols are central in the video but i couldn't quite piece together the message they were sending. After reading this, i dont think there can be any other meaning.

I agree with you with regard to the theme of reaching heaven as being a major theme in the album.. Especially with regard to the song "We are bulletproof: The eternal". The fact that they mention that they have the whole army with them, as opposed to just being 7 members ties in with what you said about leading many people to a willing death for them. Also the lyrics "We got to heaven"

The obsessive behavior of army streaming their videos is so insane and is a major reason why i dont regard myself as an "Army" but rather just as a fan(not that all BT3 army is crazy and obsessive, but a lot of them make it seem that way) . The views are really not organic because they aren't streamed out of pure enjoyment of the videos but because of the obsessive behavior of Armys. Its like they're in some kind of trance and if BT3 isnt at the top or disbands, i really dont know what will happen to those poor fans who live their lives for BT3
If someone created a BeeTees withdrawal support group chat, I would join. I have some rough days...
 

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If someone created a BeeTees withdrawal support group chat, I would join. I have some rough days...
Very sad to hear that you're having rough days. I used to cry because they had become so much a part of my life and I lost them. For me it came down to Jesus or idols, and no idol died for me so that decision was easy. But the aftermath wasn't. We can't see Jesus or listen to his voice but we can see and hear our idols, and there's no end to the available content that feeds us. Or more correctly, feeds the delusion and obsession. That's why we're here! We recognized a downward spiral and put a stop to it. It was the right decision.

For people who work at home like me in an industry that requires long hours of isolation, losing your "friends" is devastating. I know that I was in mourning which sounds insane, but it is what it is, as they say. Mourning can stretch out a long time but it gets easier. I learned so much from BTS that I couldn't fit it all in a book – very valuable things that I'm retaining as I carry on with a more balanced view and life. I wish the same for you. Just hang in there and it will get better.
 

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I write Jungkook on Twitter search bar and this is literally the first thing that appears Jungkook Mort ( Jungkook Death )

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Somebody shared this few hours ago from an article ( possibly a troll ) it says Jungkook has been found dead in his apartment at 3:30am the agency would later inform the fans.

Even as a troll literally what the hell. Needless to add the amount of hatred turned against him on different social medias platforms there has been an increasing amount of death threats, yet bighit doesn't sue such people they sue an 11 yo.

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The article that says he has been found dead in his apartment at 3:30am this morning has been deleted.
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Who can write such an article seriously so out of blue... how can they write such an article.

Another old article says Jungkook died in a car accident. March 9th.
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Is this how predictive programming work or...? Am thinking the worst.

Predictive programming at its core is a tactic to reduce resistance by introducing concepts that seem far fetched and continuously reintroducing them to make these concepts appear more likely or at the very least acceptable. As always there is a reason why movies and television are used as the common vessel. When watching something a person typically perceives it as entertainment and their theoretical guard will be lowered and the subliminal messages will be directly go to the subconscious. It also is used as a sort of self fulfilling prophecy because once an expectation is created then when these events start to happen the population may seem more likely to accept the fate. There is also a control of imagination because the most commonly used tool in predictive programming is science fiction, by creating these stories the author can create boundaries of imagination and slowly show what may happen.View attachment 34813
Some people are completely sick. They have an illness that makes them create disgusting images and scenarios and throw them all up on our screens. Predictive programming is definitely real but the entities, for want of a better term, that control it are not all-powerful. While the god of this world may be behind it, the One True God protects us and those we pray for. So I pray for God's impenetrable hedge of protection around every BTS member today and every day.
P.S. Thank you for posting this including your comments. This is shocking.
 
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Very sad to hear that you're having rough days. I used to cry because they had become so much a part of my life and I lost them. For me it came down to Jesus or idols, and no idol died for me so that decision was easy. But the aftermath wasn't. We can't see Jesus or listen to his voice but we can see and hear our idols, and there's no end to the available content that feeds us. Or more correctly, feeds the delusion and obsession. That's why we're here! We recognized a downward spiral and put a stop to it. It was the right decision.

For people who work at home like me in an industry that requires long hours of isolation, losing your "friends" is devastating. I know that I was in mourning which sounds insane, but it is what it is, as they say. Mourning can stretch out a long time but it gets easier. I learned so much from BTS that I couldn't fit it all in a book – very valuable things that I'm retaining as I carry on with a more balanced view and life. I wish the same for you. Just hang in there and it will get better.
I had belonged to a Kakao Talk group, well, several, of adult women who enjoyed BeeTeeS and didn't have people in our real lives to share it with. It was such a great group of ladies from around the world, and we really had each other's backs through a variety of things over the 1.5 years that I've had their acquaintance. But I can't share the same with them now. I tried to tentatively see how they felt about the video ON, and put some of my real thoughts into the mix, but they weren't picking up what I was putting down, as they say. There were always some silly posts about how handsome this one looked, or that one, etc. But some of them are published writers, doctors, philanthropists. We've raised money for each other when someone was going through life hardships or getting married. I miss them and I can't share with them why I'm disappearing from the chats. The foundational bond was BeeTeeS. I do think I'll maintain some personal chats with a few of them just to see how they are getting on with life, but the chat itself - I can't bear it anymore.

Anyway, those are my sad days. When some random BeeTeeS song wriggles into my psyche, (and they do, all times of day), I have to do as you've said, go seek out Godly things and force myself to pay close attention until the "spell" passes. Knowledge of what they actually are now keeps me from playing any of their music at all now - but that knowledge cannot erase the space they still take up in my psyche which can apparently still be triggered into just "playing in my brain" at any time. As a physical "for instance" of that problem: I thought I'd removed every song from my ipod. I accidentally pushed play on it, and the one song I missed started playing. Why THAT song out of thousands? Another for instance: I thought I'd removed every song from my iTunes library, but unprovoked at all, Shadow starts playing while I'm using my iPad and it took me forever to get it to stop. I had to uninstall the app altogether to get it to stop.

Anyway, I thank you so much for your kind words and reassurance that this will indeed pass. I just need to talk to God more and not rely on strangers across the world. Please wish me well, as I will be tackling getting my girls to see things my way over the next few days. I want this influence out of my home.

Take care, y'all.
 

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Apparently to the question "oppa, how are you doing", Taehyung answered that he is fighting with his heart and back. ( I don't speak korean. Got the translation from a post).

Dude...do some work instead of playing video games. Your backpain will go away.
Fighting with his heart..."poor" GIRL.
He has though posted throughout the entire year mostly breakup songs. Maybe he got dumped by his girlfriend. Or...whatever he has. A 12 y old minor.
yyeah, plus this, while Jhope is literally going to all these landscapes ive never seen before. At least tae has a huuuge huge house where he can walk around and do any activities, he cab take advantage of that...
 

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Absolutely horrifying... they must've stayed silent for so long because those sassaeng/staff have so much material to blackmail them with...

No wonder that Headliner fansite haven't been blacklisted or sued and is still very much following Jk around and getting paid for snapping pictures of him....


They're filmed 24/24 7/7 zero privacy....


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They fucking get cameras in THEIR ROOMS.
LAB RATS HAVE MORE PRIVACY.
BIGHIT VIOLATED HUMAN RIGHTS ON EVERY POSSIBLE LEVEL.
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Man i wish i can find stuff like this more easily...im not saying i wanna see the photos or videos the sasaengs/staff have but like threads and posts that exposes their treatment, what happens in the industry (apart from what we already know), etc its just so interesting its building up my curiosity lol
 

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How are those people having access to their private rooms? You only get one card per room. Answer: the owner of the room.
In conclusion, they must be the ones giving female staff members access to their rooms for "later meetings". Those pictures taken in the members room are not picture taken by strangers or stalkers/saseangs. Those are pictures that only staff members could have taken with the card/key that the specific member has given to them. Which is why I believe every single posting you have captured from those people.

I posted here long time ago....that rich fans were giving private accesss to BT$ waiting rooms, they were allowed to wear BT$ used clothes too!!! (rich fans were seen wearing JM's jacket)

And remember TH used to had "something" with a rich fan back then?....he used to post pictures for her and other fans find out
so as long as you have money you get "exclusive" treatment from them

By the way here is Jinn talking about BH and saying how great the company is

 

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Some 'fans' just really dont care about their idols. This was from their 5th muster in Japan, which had to be around late november, which is pretty recent and shows to this day theyre overworked and their success doesnt make them more favorable to the management. They just provide money for bighit, bang p.d. and thats it. Its the second clip of jungkook passing out and there obviously must be even more of this happening behind the cameras...


This kind of goes along with the female staff (if there is any, even male staff) discussion, if its true they arent aware of what is posted or not, then they dont know about their clothes and conversations and info stolen and discovered by them. Although it can really just be bt$ just following a script and are made to act and say certain things in each vid, but either way they are exposed to cameras 24/7, the deleted/not included scenes are probably sold and shared amongst the staff and others alligned to them. Its literally like a mini female mafia group lol
 

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Wow.
Some stuff are scripted and annoying. Such as they force themselves to look "exhausted" and faking heavy breathing after performing. They did that on every award show for the past two years since I've observed it. They go on the stage, doing playback, performing a simple choreography but are out of breath. The funny thing is they are all 'n sync with their "exhausted" breathing.
The Jungkook collapses that I've seen look real.

They know already that they are being filmed while undressing. Why don't they just use the bathroom or get everyone out? It's their decision to be filmed in their "hotness", eventhough Jungkook might be hot, Jin's body might also look good. But Taehyung's eternal belly fat it's not appealing. Not when you're a dancer.
Their lawyers should have stipulated that no private recordings are allowed.
Even if their lawyer didn't, their common sense should have made it clear that unless there is a written approval, it's invasion of privacy. Most of their recordings are invasion of privacy. What fans want to see the most are exactly those private recordings that their female staff members are sharing amongst them.

I am sorry to say, but his face looks very much like someone in a sexual state. I am following some instagram accounts and before I knew where the clips are from (at the beginning of my discovery), I thought those pictures are raunchy edits made by fans.
By releasing this material, Bang Si-Hyuk/BigHit catches two flies at once - activating the empathy in the brain of the girl fans while raising sexual fantasies.
I admit, that me myself unconsciously have related those images to sexual acts. When I've found out that he was actually sick, or whatever..faking that he is sick, I felt uncomfortable. But that's how the brain works. You see that image, it looks sexual.

The recordings showing Jungkook in that state (sick) are images with sensitive content. They shouldn't be allowed to publish those without parental consent. I don't see anywhere on their DVD's parental consent. Or the movie they've released in theaters.

On a side note - this is Taehyung, the one complaining about obsessive fans, posting again a selfie. A man, getting a perm and posting about it like a 8 y old girl. Two wrongs.

You raise some good points but in others you're just being hateful which is wrong. It's normal for people to get tired after exerting tremendous amounts of energy numerous times while filiming in the middle of the night. Of course Big Hit wants to use this as marketing to prevent weakness and make fans feel closer to and pity the artist but if it was completely fake why not just have a member pretend to faint during a performance?
They're constantly being monitored and it's not like theyre completely naked. Just like changing for any play, you sometimes need to undress in front of others while they help you get ready. It's pretty normal in any performances because it's a professional environment. The problem is them being filmed for other purposes and that trust being violated. Your comments about their bodies are completely unnecessary as well.

It seems youre so blinded by your hate for them you can't even make rational points anymore. What's wrong with someone getting a perm?? Have you never seen someone get tired after working out?

The problems being illustrated are with Big Hit yet you barely mention them and instead trash on the victims in the situation..
 

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Taehyung as well... pure human exploitation before our eyes... may bighit burn to ashes...

I can't stand it anymore. Modern slavery at its finest. I am so disgusted right now..
And Big Hit proudly release this as paid content to emotionally manipulate gullible fans into thinking "Wow they work so hard for us!" and "They trust fans so much!"

There is actually a ton of backlash against Big Hit right now but just as many people defending that trash of a company saying that we only see it because BTS wants to share their vulnerable sides with us. Maybe once or twice is normal but cameras being shoved in the faces of members who are crying or completely exhausted or on the verge of passing out happens all to often to the point that it's clearly another twisted marketing technique. Yet people overlook it and call the people angry at Big Hit crazy...
 
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