BTS discussion thread

[cadiz]

@inquisitor im afraid to say this, but i think you might be right that the humiliation with their concerts in saudi arabia might get them to grammy. So they can get higher. I hope it's wrong but look like they are nominated for grammy and knowing how crazy and jobless the fans are they will mass vote for them and they will get what they want.
https://www.allkpop.com/article/2019/07/you-can-vote-for-bts-ariana-grande-billie-eilish-more-to-perform-at-2020-grammy-awards

it looks like they will be performing (its obvious they will win that online poll)
Still not sure if they will be nominated.....would make no sense for them to be nominated and being part of the voting comitee too

 

[cadiz]

Fans are getting mad at this video
He said interesting things, in particular he said that many people are getting exhausted from too much exposure to b t 5
i wonder how this situation will evolve because i believe that what he said is true, i bet gp are tired and others frustrated from too much contents but if all this was planned they can easely erase the group ( if the media decide to not covers their news anymore, and someone already banned news about them, they disappear)
So what it's their purpose? An experiment to see how vulnerable and easy to manipulate some fans can be?

lol the dislikes in that video....fans never accept any type of negative opinion about BTS

 

[sandonthebeach]

All about the controversy about the Jeddah Festival....it's pure hypocrisy. It has been vox populi for many years that Saudi Arabia treats women like crap, but, suddenly, everyone and their mama is worried about human rights in SA? Please...And they don't even mention Yemen or the mistreatment that Shia people suffer in SA.

For how many years, a lot of artist have been invited by dictators of different countries and few people have complained about it. And now, it's an issue? Not defending those artists..but, all of the situation it's just laughable.

About BTS, yeah, it's getting tiring. Probably in 10 years nobody's going to remember them or they will be part of nostalgia (think about Backstreet Boys, back in the days they were huge, nowadays few people know about they're whereabouts) And all those articles about the BTS effect in the economy? I'm guessing it's just mediaplay.

 

[Lily ben]

But I've seen a lot of girls with those same body features, broad shoulders, sorta manly arms. Sometimes it happens and some girls do get those features despite being bio female. Heck i have a friend with the same body type as l!sa lol. And these were all my school friends and ik for a fact they are bio female. Some girls have a pronounced adams apple. Some boys have somewhat delicate features naturally. That doesn't make them trans. I think this trans argument is somewhat of a reach. Moreover, speculating that she is trans just bc she is thai is kinda racist..

Am sorry if I sounded racist but I was just pointingout a fact yes of course there is women with

But I've seen a lot of girls with those same body features, broad shoulders, sorta manly arms. Sometimes it happens and some girls do get those features despite being bio female. Heck i have a friend with the same body type as l!sa lol. And these were all my school friends and ik for a fact they are bio female. Some girls have a pronounced adams apple. Some boys have somewhat delicate features naturally. That doesn't make them trans. I think this trans argument is somewhat of a reach. Moreover, speculating that she is trans just bc she is thai is kinda racist..

am sorry but I never said that she is tranny bcs she is thai ijust added that information to think about it yes there is women with the her body shape but no matter how a woman looks toughshe will never have liza shoulders look it a long story you have to check the difference btw men and women skull and body proportion when you know the key element everything will be clear well in my opinion she can be a tranny I maybe wrong a.m. not trying to bash her or somthing I don't know her I am just trying to expose the evil of the entrainment industry

 

[Ohoney]

All about the controversy about the Jeddah Festival....it's pure hypocrisy. It has been vox populi for many years that Saudi Arabia treats women like crap, but, suddenly, everyone and their mama is worried about human rights in SA? Please...And they don't even mention Yemen or the mistreatment that Shia people suffer in SA.

For how many years, a lot of artist have been invited by dictators of different countries and few people have complained about it. And now, it's an issue? Not defending those artists..but, all of the situation it's just laughable.

About BTS, yeah, it's getting tiring. Probably in 10 years nobody's going to remember them or they will be part of nostalgia (think about Backstreet Boys, back in the days they were huge, nowadays few people know about they're whereabouts) And all those articles about the BTS effect in the economy? I'm guessing it's just mediaplay.

In my opinion BTS’ success and popularity is entirely different from Back Street Boys though. BTS’s success outside of Asia has been breaking barriers between the two industries and opening more doors for Asian artists as well as giving representative for other Asians. For that alone BTS is going to be remembered because of the fact that they are making history. I don’t think that’s BTS are going to just fade away, atleast not their impact on the industry or for Asian artists outside of Asia

 

[Ohoney]

That's just mediaplay.
They didn't break any barriers between the two industries,especially kp0p let alone the whole asian industry.Are you aware that most of the general public think that their actual name is kp0p?And asia doesn't revolve simply around sk.If the barriers are truly breaking, people from all the asian countries must be represented,not just the american proxies.

And please read this


Wait till the end of the year.And the fade will be in another two years,maximum.Maybe people might talk about them,like,'remember that time a kp0p group made a very successful tour?'.(BB did that too,a few years ago.)
But,their impact won't be long-lasting.
Most of their fans are here for the hype and for clout.And most of them already feel saturated.
They will fade.It's a trend.They will disappear just as they've risen,abruptly.

They DID break barriers lol, how is it just media play when you can clearly see other Kpop groups are also entering the market as well? Bts is allowing other artists to enter America as well when it wasn’t as possible before. And obviously other countries need to be represented as well, but clearly and as I stated BTS is allowing for that to happen. It begins somewhere and you trying to dismiss that BTS is contributing to making that happen is funny.
People have been saying for YEARS that BTS’ success would fade and yet it hasn’t. Big Bang also did not do half of what BTS is doing so obviously their success here faded? Big Bang did the bare minimum so don’t even try to bring up other examples when no other groups has come close to doing what bts have done

 

[Pepsi]

They DID break barriers lol, how is it just media play when you can clearly see other Kpop groups are also entering the market as well? Bts is allowing other artists to enter America as well when it wasn’t as possible before. And obviously other countries need to be represented as well, but clearly and as I stated BTS is allowing for that to happen. It begins somewhere and you trying to dismiss that BTS is contributing to making that happen is funny.
People have been saying for YEARS that BTS’ success would fade and yet it hasn’t. Big Bang also did not do half of what BTS is doing so obviously their success here faded? Big Bang did the bare minimum so don’t even try to bring up other examples when no other groups has come close to doing what bts have done

Bigbang and other groups like them gave bts the biggest reason for their fame: international fans. Groups like wonder Girls, snsd, tvxq etc were the first groups that spread the k wave outside korea. They already broke the barriers way before bts did, but they couldn't step in. Bts stepped in and claimed the space. Also yes, bts fame is just media play. Having loud fans doesn't mean you're as famous as beyonce or ariana or any famous artist these days. Somebody posted a video on here about an interviewer who did a street interview and most ppl there didn't know about bts. Their games are flopping, they're no where near the Beatles or the backstreet Boys. Hell their movie couldn't even do the same business as one d's did. It's all media play and support from the right ppl in the industry. No matter what armies say, bts did not pave the way and no, their growth is NOT organic AT ALL.

 

[Pepsi]

Guys,you might've heard about usher's std lawsuit and him asking to dismiss the case and seal his medical records for privacy reasons.I read that the actual reason is that he could be h1v+
This made me think about bieber.
I also remembered someone mentioning a long while ago about noticing some sores around mouth in some members of bt5.With all the rituals and favours those in the industry have to do,maybe std is really a big problem.

You mean they could have oral herpes? Ewwwwww

 

[Scars512]

it looks like they will be performing (its obvious they will win that online poll)
Still not sure if they will be nominated.....would make no sense for them to be nominated and being part of the voting comitee too

They can be voting members and vote for themselves -- there is no prohibition against that. In fact, becoming Academy members increases the likelihood that they will get a nomination this year. Only Academy members can submit music or videos to be considered. The voting committee gets the ballot for the first round. The second round ballot goes to all Academy members. So, there is no conflict of interest (according to the rules) in nominating yourself and voting for yourself.

This article explains the process:

https://www.thebalancecareers.com/who-votes-for-the-grammy-awards-2460684

This article talks about why BTS got invited this year. It was more about diversity than about BTS taking America by storm:

https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/awards/8514907/bts-among-potential-new-members-invited-join-recording-academy-grammys

 

[Scars512]

You mean they could have oral herpes? Ewwwwww

There is a pretty high likelihood of them having some kind of STD. Maybe not J!n if he actually used that huge box of condoms that fans spotted in a vlive, . But I'd guess that most celebrities are basically cesspools of bacteria given the lifestyle that the majority of them choose to live.

 

[mean]

They DID break barriers lol, how is it just media play when you can clearly see other Kpop groups are also entering the market as well? Bts is allowing other artists to enter America as well when it wasn’t as possible before. And obviously other countries need to be represented as well, but clearly and as I stated BTS is allowing for that to happen. It begins somewhere and you trying to dismiss that BTS is contributing to making that happen is funny.
People have been saying for YEARS that BTS’ success would fade and yet it hasn’t. Big Bang also did not do half of what BTS is doing so obviously their success here faded? Big Bang did the bare minimum so don’t even try to bring up other examples when no other groups has come close to doing what bts have done

Lmao what ?? Delulu spotted. If you think only bts contributed to kpop you must have became a fan only when bts got popular (2017-18). All other groups made Kpop popular then bts made not kpop popular but only themself. New Armys dont stan other kpop group and are always shitting on them saying every of kpop is trash and that bts are not kpop and are the best.
None other group are becoming to be reconized bc of bts. Did got7 or exo or monsta x debuted in america after bts?? Did they went to billboard as well? They just gave them few interview but they never promoted there.American dont even know there is other kpop group. Even blackpink went to coachalla thank to their huge views on youtube. But not because of bts in any way.
Bts doesnt promote ANY other asian artist, they only want all the fame to themself, even when exo and got7 got got nominated on billboard, bts cropped out them and posted the screenshot on twitter. The fans were joking saying " Bts said No free promotion for other groups hehe".
They look bland next to txt, and all their interaction are obviously forced by their company. Sugar ignore them completly.(they are jealous bc txt are young and will take their place soon) Only v and jhope try to somehow interact.
Please tell me at least one asian artist who became reconized thank to bts?? No one lol

 

[Pepsi]

they are jealous bc txt are young and will take their place soon

Oh god no. That group is boring af

 

[cadiz]

They DID break barriers lol, how is it just media play when you can clearly see other Kpop groups are also entering the market as well? Bts is allowing other artists to enter America as well when it wasn’t as possible before. And obviously other countries need to be represented as well, but clearly and as I stated BTS is allowing for that to happen. It begins somewhere and you trying to dismiss that BTS is contributing to making that happen is funny.
People have been saying for YEARS that BTS’ success would fade and yet it hasn’t. Big Bang also did not do half of what BTS is doing so obviously their success here faded? Big Bang did the bare minimum so don’t even try to bring up other examples when no other groups has come close to doing what bts have done

BTS music is not popular worldwide.......they are more known because of their crazy fandom
If we compare all the hits boybands like Nsync and BSB had.....BTS is not even close to have their relevacy

The most popular kpop song in history is called "gagnam style"....and if someone broke barriers with kpop was PSY with that song.
PSY was also the first artist to reach 1 billion views on youtube......but you dont see PSY doing mediaplay about it
Thats the difference between him and BTS

BTS has a big fandom? yes.....but they also do a lot of mediaplay about every achievement. To make them seem bigger than they actually are

 

[sandonthebeach]

They look bland next to txt, and all their interaction are obviously forced by their company. Sugar ignore them completly.(they are jealous bc txt are young and will take their place soon

Bigh1t is trying hard to promote TXT, but, damn, they're boring. And their songs are nothing out of the ordinary.

they are more known because of their crazy fandom

I think we need to talk more about kpop fandoms. All of them have their portion of delulu crazy fans, but armies and blinks are something else. Moreover, armies are so tiresome. They have to be everywhere commenting about BTS.

The most popular kpop song in history is called "gagnam style"....and if someone broke barriers with kpop was PSY with that song.

Exactly, I don't know why they forget about this. With this song, a lot of people got to know about Kpop around the world.

It was more about diversity than about BTS taking America by storm

I don't remember where I read that, the Oscars and the Grammys have been losing audience for years. Perhaps, it was about attracting new audience.

 

[cadiz]

Exactly, I don't know why they forget about this. With this song, a lot of people got to know about Kpop around the world.

yes......Armys like to ignore PSY and how he was performing all over America way before BTS debuted

PSY performing at the American Music awards (year 2012)

PSY at the Billboard music awards (year 2013)

PSY at the Ellen show with Britney Spears (year 2012)

So BTS mediaplay about "paving the way" is just BS.....this guy did everything before them
And look how he was introduced in the first video : "the korean phenomenon"

 

[Pepsi]

PSY was also the first artist to reach 1 billion views on youtube......but you dont see PSY doing mediaplay about it

Ikr, the first artist in the history of yt ever.. Yt had to change their view counter cause of him.. The impact lol. Gangnam style became an actual word that got included in the dictionary.
Armies dismiss the song as a meme song and I'm like damn son, if I were an artist I'd only wish for my song to have that level of Memeness to reach a billion views lol. And this is not just one but TWO songs of his. Bts could only wish to have that impact he had back in 2012

 

[cadiz]

True, their fandom like to dismiss the impact P S Y had, they call him a "meme" and talk about nobody took him seriusly in the west (as if the west take b t 5 seriusly).
That fandom can turn a lie into a truth and a truth into a lie, they are the ones that media play the most, that's why it's very difficult to understand the real impact that group has.
All i can say is that rarely people talk about their music, they are more like a trend, and trends are never longlasting

yes, BTS has a big fandom and are "trendy" with teenagers. But the general public are not familiar with their music

If you ask a random person about a popular BTS song, nobody will know the answer
But if you ask a random person about "gangan style" most people would be familiar with the song

PSY might be a "meme" but his song had more impact than anything BTS ever did

 

[sandonthebeach]

BTS has a big fandom and are "trendy" with teenagers. But the general public are not familiar with their music

Outside the Twitter ecochamber and other kpop related forums, BTS isn't known by the gp. Indeed, the kpop genre is seen as music for weirdos or people that are a lot into anime and other East Asian related stuff.

But if you ask a random person on the street about Psy, they will know about the song "Gangnam Style". Perhaps they won't know the name of the song, but they will know about the song.

 

[mean]

https://www.allkpop.com/article/2019/07/check-out-individual-boy-group-member-brand-values-for-july-including-jimin-jungkook-baekhyun-in-top-3
Wtf, why is jk and jm always ranked higher than V???
Pretty sure they do some harder rituals than Tae to get on the spot, i mean how is jamal on 1st place? He is not even handsome or cute, not even talking about his lack of vocal.
Now i understand why bigshit always promote jikook, why they always are the leads in all bangtan bomb videos. It's always jikook ft other members.
Why is jamal so popular in korea, he is so average, he doesn't have visual, neither the talent, he must be special to the elite to hold that place. Kook is not really good looking (in my opinion, i hope i don't offend anyone) but at least he have some talent.
But jamal??

 

[Scars512]

https://www.allkpop.com/article/2019/07/check-out-individual-boy-group-member-brand-values-for-july-including-jimin-jungkook-baekhyun-in-top-3
Wtf, why is jk and jm always ranked higher than V???
Pretty sure they do some harder rituals than Tae to get on the spot, i mean how is jamal on 1st place? He is not even handsome or cute, not even talking about his lack of vocal.
Now i understand why bigshit always promote jikook, why they always are the leads in all bangtan bomb videos. It's always jikook ft other members.
Why is jamal so popular in korea, he is so average, he doesn't have visual, neither the talent, he must be special to the elite to hold that place. Kook is not really good looking (in my opinion, i hope i don't offend anyone) but at least he have some talent.
But jamal??

What do they mean by "brand value", though?

I don't find any of them particularly good looking. V can look very handsome in photos and is the most attractive of the bunch (to me -- but beauty is, of course, a very subjective thing), but his overly feminine style (wearing actual women's clothing) kind of diminishes that. JK is maybe cute, but certainly not handsome. He is the only one who can sing reliably in tune, though, so I get why he is pushed so hard. He is the main singer and carries the rest of them in terms of vocals. JM, I guess, is popular because he is the "sexy" one -- though it is hard to imagine that his flamboyancy is that attractive to women. (And his vocals are the weakest -- they can make him sound good in the studio, but live they can't hide it.) But, maybe Korean women like effeminate men? I would have thought that J!n would be #1 in Korea since he was picked to be the visual. And he is definitely more masculine than V, JK or JM. But, he doesn't seem to have much personality and his talent is mediocre, so maybe that explains why he isn't as popular?