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BTS are protected by Dispatch..
I posted here before them doing a random phostoshoot with Dispatch when the whole Seungri scandal happened

And there was a problem with some music show...they give an award to BlackPink (YG group) and Dispatch wrote an article saying that award belonged to BTS (lol they are THAT obvious)

When Sugar had a dating rumor with some girl Dispatch were the first ones to deny it too

BTS only have positive articles written about them....even when the Jimin atomic bomb scandal happened Dispatch didnt say a word and it was all japanese media exposing him
Bighit pays them a lot of money but I just know one day they'll air everything.. once bts has to be getting rid of in a way that will tarnish them, orsomeone making a mistake.. just like yg
 





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Bighit pays them a lot of money but I just know one day they'll air everything.. once bts has to be getting rid of in a way that will tarnish them, orsomeone making a mistake.. just like yg
I think is not only money but the goverment involved

Like @inquisitor said everytime there is a negative scandal with other idols, a lot of articles come out about BTS and how "great" they are....they are trying to make that difference very clear with the korean public

The agency SM has a lot of money too but they couldnt stop Dispatch from posting dating scandals from EXO and SNSD (their most popular groups) so yeah.....its not only money in BTS's case......Their backing is very strong
 





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There is an American boy band out now called Pretty Much, but I don't think they are popular.

How are acts like NCTee and Monst@x holding up? Are they gaining traction or is B+S really holding it down for being the top boy band internationally?
 





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Bighit pays them a lot of money but I just know one day they'll air everything.. once bts has to be getting rid of in a way that will tarnish them, orsomeone making a mistake.. just like yg

So true! What if they're collecting info while receiving payment so they can drop everything at once if push comes to shove? We all know they're not clean.

Too I always heard Kfans be in the know about the rumors and gossip, but they keep ifans in the dark. I think they know things too.

The rumored girl was Suran for dating YG. She quickly had to deny it via her insta.

Sometimes I think dating scandals aren't real and are used to distract from something else; much like how we do here in America. (Like the dating scandal between Jennie from BP and Kai in 3XO.)
 





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Bighit pays them a lot of money but I just know one day they'll air everything.. once bts has to be getting rid of in a way that will tarnish them, orsomeone making a mistake.. just like yg
I don't think they will air everything out. Because this group have "made history" in the eyes of their people. With everything they did abroad. They were the first of a lot of things. So their company or whatever will make a place for this group where people/tourist can visit and relive those moments they have created. Thus still earning money. So they can't let that star be tarnished by anything.


He didnt say they were a couple.. but he said I think they are hanging out now.. (at 1:30 am) with a smirk straight to the cam .
I don't know if he is salty over them excluding him or being bold.. either way, here is a new addition to jk "I joined because of rm" - he thought rm was handsome. Ah this boy is whipped for all of them (or so it shall appear)

http://instagr.am/p/BynWOpto-Ol/
I bet he wanted to say I though he was this tough strong rapper but in reality he was a scared amateur young guy. This whole story about him accepting bshit offer because of him is weird isn't it? He was still a kid so to me it looks like nj fooled the poor kid with sweet talk.

That video was long but It had some genuine reactions. Specially when they talked about th and jamal "changes". Maybe the stuff they said was cut and scripted but their facial reaction showed they had to deal with a lot of stuff. You could clearly see that genie, jamal and th didn't like the hiphop style at all. And talked about after "fire" they started to shine since it switched to flower boy mode. But when they did the auditioning or were chosen they didn't know it was going to be a hiphop group?? I guess not. Why did their people do something like that I wonder? Maybe this was the plan since the begining.
 





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I don't think they will air everything out. Because this group have "made history" in the eyes of their people. With everything they did abroad. They were the first of a lot of things. So their company or whatever will make a place for this group where people/tourist can visit and relive those moments they have created. Thus still earning money. So they can't let that star be tarnished by anything.
Well the same could be said about Big Bang, GG etc, on different scales, but these groups were well known internationally and toured abroad. They did fill stadiums in Japan. Not to mention Psy who was the biggest viral phenomenon of 2012. There is not guanrantee for anything, especially when the next big thing comes along. Do you really think people will bother visiting their museum when their hype had died down? I think not. I highly doubt the general public in Korea thinks as highly of BTS as media makes it out to be. I mean no one can verify the ridiculous numbers related to their impact on the economy and anyone with a brain will come to that conclusion. Either way boy band popularity never lasts, they will be irrelevant in the west soon even if the cancel military service. I feel sorry for the nation if BTS is their ”national pride”. Calling an androgynous pop band singing westernized music is your national pride is kinda sad. It’s like saying Justin Bieber is Canadas national pride lol. I don’t think Canadians would appreciate that. I don’t think the next pop phenomenon will be a traditional boyband much less a Kpop band. These things come in cycles and new concepts need to be introduced.
 





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@Dove28 said that their chart looks a lot like that of bt5 especially about attracting public attention.
Ate's and B*S chart are only similar because of Lilith in the 10th. They have a strong public image that can make others obsessed. Overall, B*S chart is very different from Ates. But imo weaker as B*S strength according to their Midheaven is media based platforms (Gemini) and air midheavens are dependant on engaging with others for success and fame. And in the sign of Gemini, it can flucuate or go many directions. All it DOES takes is a scandal and BTS image is tainted. Dispatch may be protecting them but all it takes is someone being pissed for not getting what they want.

Ates midheaven is in Capricorn and ruled by Saturn so public success depends on what the business does via promotional activities and who KQ knows. It's pure business that require stragetic planning, hard work, investments, etc.

I'm currently studying Jyotish astrology which imo has it's stronger strengths than tropical/western astrology.

But ates has:
1.Exalted Mars in Capricorn in the 10th and Ketu (headless demon/dragon). This indicates that there is a aggressive passion to achieve top hierarchy within the entertainment business and they'll do unconventional ways that may piss off social hierarchies (i.e. Big 3)
They will be powerful because again, Mars is exalted in Capricorn. The CEO or whoever will come up with very brand new ideas to give Ates success (i.e. Hala Hala). Because of Ketu in the 10th, KQ Entertainment may actually not "know their place" in the public eye and don't care because they are detached. This will piss off higher ups for some reason.
2.They also have Rahu (also a demon) in the 4th which means there is a compulsive need to be on top (4th/10th house axis). They have a hunger to dig up treasures and posses them. (in Vedic astrology, the 4th house represents underground treasures from lands and properties) Kind of ironic as their whole brand is "pirates finding treasures".
3.Lord/Ruler of Ketu (Saturn) is friendly in the sign Sagittarius in the 9th of foreign travels. Global success is promising.

In 2021 they'll sell a lot of albums similar to EXO in 2013 and BTS in 2016 or 2017. I don't remember. Just think "millions". The solar return states this. Jupiter in the 2nd house is all I need to confirm it.
 





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There is an American boy band out now called Pretty Much, but I don't think they are popular.

How are acts like NCTee and Monst@x holding up? Are they gaining traction or is B+S really holding it down for being the top boy band internationally?
Pretty Much is not popular because sorry to say, a lot of buying American fans (mostly white teens) want an ALL white group. I mean look who struggled the most and received the most racism from 1D and 5th Harmony.
 





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People have been talking about nct for a while now.Their new group did a us tour and seem to have created a buzz,but,their unlimited concept is slightly confusing for the general public.
And,get this.
Just after the ik0n scandal today,there is news of str@y kids.It seems they released a new trailer for their comeback. @Deadlylady and I recently discussed how they could be the next 'it' thing.They have all sorts of blantant symbolism and subliminal messaging.They prominently showed 666 and 322 in one of their mvs,'my pace',which I analysed in kp0p thread.
my analysis of the mv
Forbes wrote an article on them and they are getting promoted in a big way in the media.And their narrative is similar to that of bt5. Having freedom to write their own lyrics and a supportive boss.After all,their boss is a good friend of bigshit bang.
So,they are following the same formula.

However,the public reception seems to be extremely negative to this group.The comments are extremely hilarious on their announcement of new trailer.The comments ranged from 'is this a threat?', 'stop threatening to release awful music' to the routine 'flop','unrelease it'


And then,there is @teez,which seems to have a lot of potential.
What does the number 322 mean?
 





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Well the same could be said about Big Bang, GG etc, on different scales, but these groups were well known internationally and toured abroad. They did fill stadiums in Japan. Not to mention Psy who was the biggest viral phenomenon of 2012. There is not guanrantee for anything, especially when the next big thing comes along. Do you really think people will bother visiting their museum when their hype had died down? I think not. I highly doubt the general public in Korea thinks as highly of BTS as media makes it out to be. I mean no one can verify the ridiculous numbers related to their impact on the economy and anyone with a brain will come to that conclusion. Either way boy band popularity never lasts, they will be irrelevant in the west soon even if the cancel military service. I feel sorry for the nation if BTS is their ”national pride”. Calling an androgynous pop band singing westernized music is your national pride is kinda sad. It’s like saying Justin Bieber is Canadas national pride lol. I don’t think Canadians would appreciate that. I don’t think the next pop phenomenon will be a traditional boyband much less a Kpop band. These things come in cycles and new concepts need to be introduced.
There is a smt0wn. They might do a hall of fame later on for this company too. Or even their gov. doing a building like that. The next big thing that goes worldwide is sponsored by some people that they become the it group. Because for that you need money and a lot of connection. Psy had only one song that went viral on youtube. Nobody understood the lyrics but the funny mv and song combined sounded like a song for children at the time. B-b is something else. They had an impact domestically and bt5 had one abroad. Japan is a rich country but still they can't compare to the rest of the world at least population wise.


Well before bt5 this country was not well known.
 





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I have some knowledge in vedic astrology.
I have the same 4/10 r/k axis,albeit in different signs.I have been reading that it is bad,but,your analysis gives me hope.:)

I see that ates has aries ascendant and that explains their aggressive performances.
And I'm envious of that jupiter position.:D
May I know where the moon is?
If the Lord of rahu and ketu are in good diginity, it will produce significant results.

In ates 2021 solar return (using western astrology), jupiter will fall in the 2nd of finances and so far exoo and b*s had it.

In their western debut chart Jupiter is in the 7th house so lots of abundance in business endeavors. Lots of connections with business partners. They do have a strong team. Lots of contracts.

In their vedic chart moon is in the 1st in aries.
 





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Did anyone watch the BTS Festa attic talk or whatever it was called? There was one part that stood out for me. V was telling a story about how he was playing a mobile game and one of the other online players asked, "Does anyone like BTS?" He said he replied, "Me, me, me!". She had a user name that referenced Suga, so he asked her if she liked Suga. She said, "yes". He then said he wrote, "I really hate V. What do you think about that?" And this person replied "all of them are precious to me." He said he was really happy about that and it made him feel good that fans supported all of them.

Now, first of all, I think it is highly unlikely that this actually happened. But it did remind me of something.

In an African American literature course I took a few years back, we discussed how some people say that slavery wasn't all bad because there were slaves who said that their masters were really good to them. What people often don't realize is that slave holders would get people that the slaves didn't know to pass by and ask slaves about the treatment they got from their masters. Or they would get slaves from other plantations to do the asking. These people would report back who they talked to and what they said. If you answered incorrectly, there would be punishment. So slaves would generally praise their master to anyone they didn't know they could trust. Otherwise, they risked punishment.

So, V is putting this idea into Army's heads that whoever they are talking to online could actually be a member of BTS. And if they dare to say something honest that is critical, they might be saying it directly to BTS. That seems like a pretty sneaky way to encourage fans to self censor online.
 





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Here we can see fans give their honest opinions..
BTS fans censor themselves a lot on twitter because saying something negative means they will be bullied by other Armys...so its nice to see this


I dont watch their shows anymore and my only contact are the clips I see on this thread....but fans see the same thing as we do.....so we are not really overreacting when we say they look "done"
 





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wow ....he sounds like a drama queen.
pretending to be a V anti and asking the fan if she hates him too? ...now all the people who said he expossed Jikook to play the victim might be right :rolleyes:

And just saw this

Black Nut's misogynistic lyrics under controversy again

Another idol (rapper) going down....now I posted about RM and BTS misogynists lyrics here before....talking about women having sexual desease etc. but of course the goverment "darlings" will never be exposed like this
I did not watch the entire thing, just bits, but I think that the answers were scripted, not to say that there was no truth in some of the things they said. I think some things were real but others. were just...
That is a very odd answer to what Jin said about him. What makes me happy is when the 7 of us are happy, so I changed myself from annoying to considerate? Wtf!? Something like I have matured, or my perspectives have chnaged would have made more sense.


Side note: I don’t think anyone in BTS has what it takes for a good solo career, so it benefits them to stay together professionally and business-wise. No way they would be more sucessful or richer doing things alone, even if its something like acting for the likes of TH ( has the looks but dubious skills). They are much more appealing as a group. Its like you take 7 mediocres that complement one another and create something better, but for them its not only about that. Part of their appeal is the ”we are like family and super close narrative”. They have marketed themselves as such regardless of what goes on behind the scenes and these concepts are very popular nowadays. Just look at family channels on youtube like the ace family, they have 10 of millions of subscribers, people are hungry for belonging and affection even on the screen.
 





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That is a great explanation.I loved it.:D
You see I've been posting how fans have started questioning and discussing about the hype even outside conspiracy circles and how those websites are getting taken down,temporarily or permanently.
Bigshit must've known about this already,obviously.
They practise cult methods and what you explained,sounds like a decent trick to silence the fandom/followers of a cult.
Complete loyalty,they are demanding.
I wish that fans start to see these controlling tactics of the company and get away from this toxicity.

Also,something similar happened a long time ago with megh@n f0x.There were many trolls at the peak of transformers hype,going after her.Then,there were some articles reporting that she actually does a lot of online gaming with a male username.And that the players may never know if the one they were playing with was actually f0x.It kind of made the gamers a little conscious of the other players.
I guess,the company is following the same play.
Of course,it is to be expected when their publicity is now run by hollyweird agencies.
oh wait!! you might be right!!
Just saw this on allkpop bashing thread...... Look at Jimin here encouraging the cult mentality


Replies from the fans are saying they do the same....blocking everyone who says something negative about BTS and even ending friendship because of it o_O
 





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I did not watch the entire thing, just bits, but I think that the answers were scripted, not to say that there was no truth in some of the things they said. I think some things were real but others. were just...
That is a very odd answer to what Jin said about him. What makes me happy is when the 7 of us are happy, so I changed myself from annoying to considerate? Wtf!? Something like I have matured, or my perspectives have chnaged would have made more sense.


Side note: I don’t think anyone in BTS has what it takes for a good solo career, so it benefits them to stay together professionally and business-wise. No way they would be more sucessful or richer doing things alone, even if its something like acting for the likes of TH ( has the looks but dubious skills like most idol actors). They are much more appealing as a group. Its like you take 7 mediocres that complement one another and create something better, but for them its not only about that. Part of their appeal is the ”we are like family and super close narrative”. They have marketed themselves as such regardless of what goes on behind the scenes and these concepts are very popular nowadays. Just look at family chanels on youtube like the ace family, they have 10 of millions of subscribers, people are hungry for belonging and affection even on the screen.
I just deleted my comment because I saw a clip of Jimin saying he block any type of negative comment....so I think there is a narrative here...not only this V guy being a drama queen because the whole group is trying to push this "no negative comment" rule
 





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oh wait!! you might be right!!
Just saw this on allkpop bashing thread...... Look at Jimin here encouraging the cult mentality


Replies from the fans are saying they do the same....blocking everyone who says something negative about BTS and even ending friendship because of it o_O
Wow. I missed that part. Yeah, there definitely seems to be a theme there. Classic cult technique of isolation so that no one has space and opportunity to think for themselves or hear opposing viewpoints.
 





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oh wait!! you might be right!!
Just saw this on allkpop bashing thread...... Look at Jimin here encouraging the cult mentality


Replies from the fans are saying they do the same....blocking everyone who says something negative about BTS and even ending friendship because of it o_O
They extra, like what the hell? -_-

It seems these fans can't handle people who dislike bts, but let me tell you that this is life and this world isn't all buddy buddy rainbows and sunshine. They really don't need to block anyone or do the extras and end friendships just for an unpopular comment. I'd only understand if someone was harassing them on a daily basis. Otherwise, these people are fake.