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You mean they could have oral herpes? Ewwwwww
There is a pretty high likelihood of them having some kind of STD. Maybe not J!n if he actually used that huge box of condoms that fans spotted in a vlive, :D. But I'd guess that most celebrities are basically cesspools of bacteria given the lifestyle that the majority of them choose to live.
 

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They DID break barriers lol, how is it just media play when you can clearly see other Kpop groups are also entering the market as well? Bts is allowing other artists to enter America as well when it wasn’t as possible before. And obviously other countries need to be represented as well, but clearly and as I stated BTS is allowing for that to happen. It begins somewhere and you trying to dismiss that BTS is contributing to making that happen is funny.
People have been saying for YEARS that BTS’ success would fade and yet it hasn’t. Big Bang also did not do half of what BTS is doing so obviously their success here faded? Big Bang did the bare minimum so don’t even try to bring up other examples when no other groups has come close to doing what bts have done
Lmao what ?? Delulu spotted. If you think only bts contributed to kpop you must have became a fan only when bts got popular (2017-18). All other groups made Kpop popular then bts made not kpop popular but only themself. New Armys dont stan other kpop group and are always shitting on them saying every of kpop is trash and that bts are not kpop and are the best.
None other group are becoming to be reconized bc of bts. Did got7 or exo or monsta x debuted in america after bts?? Did they went to billboard as well? They just gave them few interview but they never promoted there.American dont even know there is other kpop group. Even blackpink went to coachalla thank to their huge views on youtube. But not because of bts in any way.
Bts doesnt promote ANY other asian artist, they only want all the fame to themself, even when exo and got7 got got nominated on billboard, bts cropped out them and posted the screenshot on twitter. The fans were joking saying " Bts said No free promotion for other groups hehe".
They look bland next to txt, and all their interaction are obviously forced by their company. Sugar ignore them completly.(they are jealous bc txt are young and will take their place soon) Only v and jhope try to somehow interact.
Please tell me at least one asian artist who became reconized thank to bts?? No one lol
 

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They DID break barriers lol, how is it just media play when you can clearly see other Kpop groups are also entering the market as well? Bts is allowing other artists to enter America as well when it wasn’t as possible before. And obviously other countries need to be represented as well, but clearly and as I stated BTS is allowing for that to happen. It begins somewhere and you trying to dismiss that BTS is contributing to making that happen is funny.
People have been saying for YEARS that BTS’ success would fade and yet it hasn’t. Big Bang also did not do half of what BTS is doing so obviously their success here faded? Big Bang did the bare minimum so don’t even try to bring up other examples when no other groups has come close to doing what bts have done
BTS music is not popular worldwide.......they are more known because of their crazy fandom
If we compare all the hits boybands like Nsync and BSB had.....BTS is not even close to have their relevacy

The most popular kpop song in history is called "gagnam style"....and if someone broke barriers with kpop was PSY with that song.
PSY was also the first artist to reach 1 billion views on youtube......but you dont see PSY doing mediaplay about it
Thats the difference between him and BTS

BTS has a big fandom? yes.....but they also do a lot of mediaplay about every achievement. To make them seem bigger than they actually are
 
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They look bland next to txt, and all their interaction are obviously forced by their company. Sugar ignore them completly.(they are jealous bc txt are young and will take their place soon
Bigh1t is trying hard to promote TXT, but, damn, they're boring. And their songs are nothing out of the ordinary.

they are more known because of their crazy fandom
I think we need to talk more about kpop fandoms. All of them have their portion of delulu crazy fans, but armies and blinks are something else. Moreover, armies are so tiresome. They have to be everywhere commenting about BTS.

The most popular kpop song in history is called "gagnam style"....and if someone broke barriers with kpop was PSY with that song.
Exactly, I don't know why they forget about this. With this song, a lot of people got to know about Kpop around the world.

It was more about diversity than about BTS taking America by storm
I don't remember where I read that, the Oscars and the Grammys have been losing audience for years. Perhaps, it was about attracting new audience.
 

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Exactly, I don't know why they forget about this. With this song, a lot of people got to know about Kpop around the world.
yes......Armys like to ignore PSY and how he was performing all over America way before BTS debuted

PSY performing at the American Music awards (year 2012)


PSY at the Billboard music awards (year 2013)


PSY at the Ellen show with Britney Spears (year 2012)


So BTS mediaplay about "paving the way" is just BS.....this guy did everything before them
And look how he was introduced in the first video : "the korean phenomenon"
 

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PSY was also the first artist to reach 1 billion views on youtube......but you dont see PSY doing mediaplay about it
Ikr, the first artist in the history of yt ever.. Yt had to change their view counter cause of him.. The impact lol. Gangnam style became an actual word that got included in the dictionary.
Armies dismiss the song as a meme song and I'm like damn son, if I were an artist I'd only wish for my song to have that level of Memeness to reach a billion views lol. And this is not just one but TWO songs of his. Bts could only wish to have that impact he had back in 2012
 

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True, their fandom like to dismiss the impact P S Y had, they call him a "meme" and talk about nobody took him seriusly in the west (as if the west take b t 5 seriusly).
That fandom can turn a lie into a truth and a truth into a lie, they are the ones that media play the most, that's why it's very difficult to understand the real impact that group has.
All i can say is that rarely people talk about their music, they are more like a trend, and trends are never longlasting
yes, BTS has a big fandom and are "trendy" with teenagers. But the general public are not familiar with their music

If you ask a random person about a popular BTS song, nobody will know the answer
But if you ask a random person about "gangan style" most people would be familiar with the song

PSY might be a "meme" but his song had more impact than anything BTS ever did
 
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BTS has a big fandom and are "trendy" with teenagers. But the general public are not familiar with their music
Outside the Twitter ecochamber and other kpop related forums, BTS isn't known by the gp. Indeed, the kpop genre is seen as music for weirdos or people that are a lot into anime and other East Asian related stuff.

But if you ask a random person on the street about Psy, they will know about the song "Gangnam Style". Perhaps they won't know the name of the song, but they will know about the song.
 

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https://www.allkpop.com/article/2019/07/check-out-individual-boy-group-member-brand-values-for-july-including-jimin-jungkook-baekhyun-in-top-3o_O
Wtf, why is jk and jm always ranked higher than V???
Pretty sure they do some harder rituals than Tae to get on the spot, i mean how is jamal on 1st place? He is not even handsome or cute, not even talking about his lack of vocal.
Now i understand why bigshit always promote jikook, why they always are the leads in all bangtan bomb videos. It's always jikook ft other members.
Why is jamal so popular in korea, he is so average, he doesn't have visual, neither the talent, he must be special to the elite to hold that place. Kook is not really good looking (in my opinion, i hope i don't offend anyone) but at least he have some talent.
But jamal??
 

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https://www.allkpop.com/article/2019/07/check-out-individual-boy-group-member-brand-values-for-july-including-jimin-jungkook-baekhyun-in-top-3o_O
Wtf, why is jk and jm always ranked higher than V???
Pretty sure they do some harder rituals than Tae to get on the spot, i mean how is jamal on 1st place? He is not even handsome or cute, not even talking about his lack of vocal.
Now i understand why bigshit always promote jikook, why they always are the leads in all bangtan bomb videos. It's always jikook ft other members.
Why is jamal so popular in korea, he is so average, he doesn't have visual, neither the talent, he must be special to the elite to hold that place. Kook is not really good looking (in my opinion, i hope i don't offend anyone) but at least he have some talent.
But jamal??
What do they mean by "brand value", though?

I don't find any of them particularly good looking. V can look very handsome in photos and is the most attractive of the bunch (to me -- but beauty is, of course, a very subjective thing), but his overly feminine style (wearing actual women's clothing) kind of diminishes that. JK is maybe cute, but certainly not handsome. He is the only one who can sing reliably in tune, though, so I get why he is pushed so hard. He is the main singer and carries the rest of them in terms of vocals. JM, I guess, is popular because he is the "sexy" one -- though it is hard to imagine that his flamboyancy is that attractive to women. (And his vocals are the weakest -- they can make him sound good in the studio, but live they can't hide it.) But, maybe Korean women like effeminate men? I would have thought that J!n would be #1 in Korea since he was picked to be the visual. And he is definitely more masculine than V, JK or JM. But, he doesn't seem to have much personality and his talent is mediocre, so maybe that explains why he isn't as popular?
 

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https://www.allkpop.com/article/2019/07/check-out-individual-boy-group-member-brand-values-for-july-including-jimin-jungkook-baekhyun-in-top-3o_O
Wtf, why is jk and jm always ranked higher than V???
Pretty sure they do some harder rituals than Tae to get on the spot, i mean how is jamal on 1st place? He is not even handsome or cute, not even talking about his lack of vocal.
Now i understand why bigshit always promote jikook, why they always are the leads in all bangtan bomb videos. It's always jikook ft other members.
Why is jamal so popular in korea, he is so average, he doesn't have visual, neither the talent, he must be special to the elite to hold that place. Kook is not really good looking (in my opinion, i hope i don't offend anyone) but at least he have some talent.
But jamal??
you sound like an angry th stan, theres no way that they will do a ritual just for that stupid spot, and lately jm and jk has been much more popular than th and theyre actually not as boring and depressed as him to be honest, and their song from the bt$ game is promoted very highly. jk is the main character of bt$ and jm is the second character, he is very popular among men much more than th and even jk ever did, like it or not, its true, dont be mad that th didnt get the first spot.
 
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What do they mean by "brand value", though?

I don't find any of them particularly good looking. V can look very handsome in photos and is the most attractive of the bunch (to me -- but beauty is, of course, a very subjective thing), but his overly feminine style (wearing actual women's clothing) kind of diminishes that. JK is maybe cute, but certainly not handsome. He is the only one who can sing reliably in tune, though, so I get why he is pushed so hard. He is the main singer and carries the rest of them in terms of vocals. JM, I guess, is popular because he is the "sexy" one -- though it is hard to imagine that his flamboyancy is that attractive to women. (And his vocals are the weakest -- they can make him sound good in the studio, but live they can't hide it.) But, maybe Korean women like effeminate men? I would have thought that J!n would be #1 in Korea since he was picked to be the visual. And he is definitely more masculine than V, JK or JM. But, he doesn't seem to have much personality and his talent is mediocre, so maybe that explains why he isn't as popular?
when i first see bt$ in the bst mv, i like jn and jk and i actually think th is ugly for some reason, jn is actually attractive and the most masculine looking member next to nj, but most girls like girly looking boys and "flower boys" like the maknae line
 

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JM, I guess, is popular because he is the "sexy" one -- though it is hard to imagine that his flamboyancy is that attractive to women. (And his vocals are the weakest -- they can make him sound good in the studio, but live they can't hide it.) But, maybe Korean women like effeminate men? I would have thought that J!n would be #1 in Korea since he was picked to be the visual. And he is definitely more masculine than V, JK or JM. But, he doesn't seem to have much personality and his talent is mediocre, so maybe that explains why he isn't as popular?
Jimin has been the most popular in korea for a while, It could be because of his cute act because koreans like that.
But even if he has awful vocals I can recognize Jimin has some type of charisma ,I remember the first BTs performance I watched he stood out a lot...it was this one:


you see how in that video he was manly tho....I think he was way better back then

And I agree about Jin, in that "street video" people chose him as the most handsome....but if you watch BTs perform Jin would never stand out. He is not really talented in anything
 

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Jimin has been the most popular in korea for a while, It could be because of his cute act because koreans like that.
But even if he has awful vocals I can recognize Jimin has some type of charisma ,I remember the first BTs performance I watched he stood out a lot...it was this one:


you see how in that video he was manly tho....I think he was way better back then

And I agree about Jin, in that "street video" people chose him as the most handsome....but if you watch BTs perform Jin would never stand out. He is not really talented in anything
Well, you are probably right about the charisma. That is something that can't really be learned. You either have it or you don't. And I do think he has it. He is also a very talented dancer. So, I think the eye sometimes is naturally drawn to him because his movements are just better. JH is a good dancer, too, but he is the least attractive of the group -- so between the 2 JM looks better dancing even if technically he isn't better. His voice, though, is tough to listen to live. But maybe if they didn't make him sing such high pitches all the time, it wouldn't be that bad. Before puberty hit, he could probably hit the notes a lot easier. Most men don't use falsetto that much because it is hard to do it well. I mean, a long time ago they castrated boys in order to keep them as sopranos ... which means it isn't something that post-pubescent males can do easily. So, I guess he can't be faulted for some of the vocal issues he has. Most of it is probably BH's fault.

And I don't get the "cute" acting stuff at all. But that is just a cultural thing, I guess. I find it incredibly annoying and infantilizing, but that's coming from a Western perspective. If Koreans really like that kind of stuff, it makes sense he'd be the favorite since he does it the most.
 

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https://www.allkpop.com/article/2019/07/check-out-individual-boy-group-member-brand-values-for-july-including-jimin-jungkook-baekhyun-in-top-3o_O
Wtf, why is jk and jm always ranked higher than V???
Pretty sure they do some harder rituals than Tae to get on the spot, i mean how is jamal on 1st place? He is not even handsome or cute, not even talking about his lack of vocal.
Now i understand why bigshit always promote jikook, why they always are the leads in all bangtan bomb videos. It's always jikook ft other members.
Why is jamal so popular in korea, he is so average, he doesn't have visual, neither the talent, he must be special to the elite to hold that place. Kook is not really good looking (in my opinion, i hope i don't offend anyone) but at least he have some talent.
But jamal??
Jikook are definitely Big$hits faves and the most promoted. It is becoming too much in fact causing some to complain about the discrimination against other members. They take up most of the content released by Big$hit, behind the scenes probably also the most promoted, so it is no wonder they rank first. Depsite all this wasn’t V first or second just last month? I have no idea what these rankings are based on. I also have a hard time seeing why Jimin is the most popular in the rankings every single time, although I think he is popular, but not exactly the ”it boy” you know. He is pretty and has stage charisma, but still...maybe they like his on screen personality? He does really feed into the shipping stuff with Jk, they constantly keep posting and flirting with eo so perhaps that contributes as well.
 

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Jin is a handsome guy, but, his problem is that, it's just that, a handsome guy. His singing abilities are average, his dancing ability average and his stage presence not so great. If you've seen videos of their stages, it's easy to forget that he is there. I'm sorry, I don't really see this guy with a solo career.

I can understand why Jimin and Jungkook are the most popular. As others here have said before, Jimin is pretty charismatic and somehow attractive; at times sounds like a lamb being slaughtered, but, who cares? And Jungkook can sing and has presence when dancing.

Looks matter, it's true for BTS and any other singer or entertainment personality.
 

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Except that Jimin is not the most popular among fans, it is TH & JK, Jimin comes in third by quite a margin. They have the most fans, even on this forum TH seems to have the most fans depsite the fact that people aren’t really ”fans” which reflects the wider audience. However Jamal consistently ranks number 1 on these non voted polls. In terms of looks and charisma/charm TH is number one (imo) and number two in vocals in the group ( at least has the most unique voice), also good stage presence. JK is the main singer and dances powerfully, looks are good and in a lot of shipping so I get it. Jimin comes in number three, has good stage presence, dances great although has the worst vocals. He looks pretty in a non masculine, way, not on par with TH, Jin or Jk and the thing that stands out about his personality is how feminine and cute he behaves while flirts and hits on men all the time. How would that make him the most popular among a female audience makes no sense to me. V has been number two on these rankings before but I guess not being active on social media and looking unhappy during interviews makes your rank drop.
jimin was voted the most popular in the Gallup poll tho. I posted the results not long ago (its a national korean service with random netizens)
He was way ahead of names like Gragon and IU, wich was really impressive to me
And there was other time when BTS went to a TV variety show and he was trending on Naver (korean site)

so it looks like people like him....because of his "cute" persona and stage charisma
Taehyung is good looking, has a lot of fans like JK but maybe the korean public dont find anything special about him

Besides JM and JK are kind of a package deal.....if you like one of them you will probably like the other too (because they are always together?)....so the ship benefits them both
 

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jimin was voted the most popular in the Gallup poll tho. I posted the results not long ago (its a national korean service with random netizens)
He was way ahead of names like Gragon and IU, wich was really impressive to me
And there was other time when BTS went to a TV variety show and he was trending on Naver (korean site)

so it looks like people like him....because of his "cute" persona and stage charisma
Taehyung is good looking, has a lot of fans like JK but maybe the korean public dont find anything special about him

Besides JM and JK are kind of a package deal.....if you like one of them you will probably like the other too (because they are always together?)....so the ship benefits them both
I deleted my post, because these rankings change all the time. Last time V was number 2 and Jk was 4 and in another poll V was the most popular so forth. What is clear is that the maknae line are more popular than the hyungs. No one in BTS has what it takes to be like G dragon though, who has both talent and outstanding charisma despite mediocre looks. At the end of the day it is about having ”it”.He is the only kpop idol to have a solo world tour in Asia/US/europe. I don’t think any BTS member will have solo success on that level in music, certainly not Jimin. As I said before, they are much better off together.
Part of the reason is because G dragon made himself stand out in many ways apart from rapping and wrote/produced music. TOP was much better looking than G dragon but Gdragon is the most sucessful, although TOP came in second before his marijuana scandal.
 
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